Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - A Review of Episode 1217 Nimesh Patel

Episode Date: December 31, 2018

Nimesh is a comedian and SNL writer who was recently asked to leave during his set at a university for a joke he made that was seen as offensive. His conversation with Joe highlights what’s happening with comedy today and the shutting down of free speech. It’s a very enlightening conversation to make sure to check it out. Enjoy my review folks! Please email me with any suggestions and questions for future Reviews:                                                                        [e-mail]

Hello and welcome to another episode of the JRE review where each week me and often a guest will review the best and most interesting episodes of the Joe Rogan experience and Talk about things we liked things that were inspiring questions that we had things we didn't understand Anything that we thought was amusing and understand anything that we thought was amusing and this podcast 12-17 with Nimesh Patel that I'm reviewing is a doozy it's really good because it brings up some important points about what's going on right now in comedy and especially universities and so on. Nimesh Pat Patel is the first Indian American writer for SNL. Very funny dude, good comedian.

He's been on Seth Meyers late night show. And recently he went to a college, Columbia, and they turned off his mic for telling a joke that really isn't that offensive, you know, I mean it just really isn't offensive because it's like pro the type of person he was talking about, I won't do the joke but it was basically about the premise was like a black man wouldn't also be gay can't be a choice because a black man wouldn't choose to be gay if he's already black because he's doubling down on hardship right so people found that offensive at the college and after a while they decided to they said he was done after like 20 minutes he had like 40 minutes

left so you know they ended up kind of kicking him out and it brings up some interesting questions about what's going on with comedy right now especially with the youth like how sensitive everyone is. And is this really, is this really what the majority of people are thinking? Is this really the consensus of most people or is this just allowed minority? I think it's probably just that. It's kind of crazy. But this really shook him. He didn't like it. It was difficult. You had to go to another college right afterwards

and it's made people think him, especially like, do I want to keep doing colleges? Even Jerry Seinfeld stopped doing colleges and he couldn't have a more PC standup setless, but at the same time is it worth it you know is it worth putting yourself out there so Jeff Ross is friends with Naminish and put him in contact with Joe for this podcast and one thing that Joe reminded us of is that Jeff when he was on recently with David Tull, said that he is a comedian before he's an American,

which is an interesting point because it just means that for comedians, it's like, I'm here for the joke first. Then everything else is second. We find the joke and we work back from it. It doesn't mean be offensive at any cost, but that's a big part of what comedy is. It's finding that.

And then if you have, you know, one person out of every 10 or two people out of every 30 that are really offended by everything you say, should the rest of those people miss out? I don't think so. I think that those two or one people should just not go to comedy. If you find yourself being that sensitive, don't go watch comedy, it doesn't make sense. It's like saying if you, you know, if you're scared of the dark, don't go into the dark. If you don't like violent movies, don't watch them. Like that's your choice, but don't make it so no one asks can watch them. It's just, it's getting silly. Then they start to move on to kind of the process of comedy like how Joe does it, how

to mash does it, and Joe is bringing up the really in the US or maybe even around the world. There's only a hundred or so legit comedians. They're very rare. They're a hundred that you would pay for, a hundred that you would go see, headlines that you would see. So it's a rare group of people. So when comedians see each other, meet each other, they really connect and bond and it will like, oh thank god you're a comedian too. We've got something to talk about. They really all do get on. It's like, you know, not to say a brotherhood because there's plenty of women comedians there, but it's a it's a comedian hood and you know these guys all really do get on and love each other and it's a it's a pretty rare and special thing to be a part of.

Joe talks about how he writes about an hour a day and it's a good idea to get a court board with index cards if you are a comedian because you can organize yourself well on there, which I really liked the sound of. Obviously, when you think comedian, you don't always think super organized and super motivated, probably, just funny, but you have to, you have to work hard,

because you got a lot of people coming out to see you and you don't wanna let them down. I have been out to comedy before and it was kinda drab, and it was someone I really wanted to comedy before and it was kind of drab and it was someone I really wanted to see and it was a real shame. It's something you don't forget, whereas for that performer, it was just one night. Bill Burr told Joe once that. He knows what it's like to go to a show and see someone and have it be disappointing. And he remembers that and that's why every time he goes out he just does

his very best and and make sure that you know he crushes as hard as he can because people paid to come out and see you perform they probably got babysitters it was pretty big deal to them so it might just be one night to the perform but it means a lot to the people that watch often and it just goes to show the pressure that these guys put on themselves, the B is good as they are and it's really admirable and really impressed. Joe also talks about his favorite little saying how you do everything is how you do anything. You know, and in a lot of ways people sabotage their own lives and what he meant by that is he was saying in a mesh that, you know, instead of doing

really well at things, you can kind of just like fuck something up once and be like, oh no good of that, I don't have to do that again and it just takes the pressure off of trying. And that's often why people do that. That's why they kind of sabotage themselves. It's almost like a coping mechanism for not having too much on your shoulder. Give you a break, you know, but that's no way to be, for sure. They do talk about a little bit about how people, or lots of people think they can do stand up, and I've seen this before, you know, you talk about doing stand up ever and somebody will turn around and say, oh, I want to try that.

I'm very funny. I think I could do it. And the issue with that from what Joe was saying in a message is like, really, it's because that's what we do. We do most of it all the time. We can talk and sometimes say funny things. So therefore, you think you can make people laugh. And that's just not how it is. Because it's just very different, you know? it's like when you're up there, I've been at Open mics where I've seen people bomb so hard and it's unbelievable. And they're perfectly capable of holding a conversation, but it's a different world when you're up there and getting the timing down and reading the room and yeah, it's not for the faint of heart,

it for sure. And there's really no straight line to learning as well I mean the mesh was talking about how you know everyone's kind of a bit different like you can't go to classes You can't go and get taught how to do comedy because everyone has their own style and there's no right way Those comedy classes are kind of BS. I did one once and it was a joke. I left Halfway through the week After like three days, I was like, I don't think I'm learning shit. This is ridiculous. And it is It's just because how you learn it is you go up and do upper mics and it's brutal But uh, it is kind of a shame. It's almost a shame that there isn't like a better teaching strategy for it

But it's such a person-lined thing. It's not like learning an instrument. You can just copy somebody until you get it down and then write your own music. It just doesn't work like that with comedy really from what what Joe is described and what I understand of it. And you know it's, excuse me, it's like everyone's act really is different. That's the big thing. And when people have completely different styles, you know, your personal style will be different. You can't really copy anyone, even if you like their style. Maybe you have some similarities to it, but you do any stand up long enough and you'll just develop your own, they call it, developing your voice.

That's what's going to happen. It's going to change your whole setup and you'll be your own unique comedian. It's it. I guess all you can do is a comic is inspired others like these guys do because they're both very funny. And a big thing about comedy and working hard for these guys is that people come and watch their comedy as Joe was saying and they give up their precious time and you know really laugh to make you feel better right so that's what they're going for they want to make you feel better and the message that something interesting goes yeah it's a drug with like comedians with drug dealers because you're giving out the drug of like happiness which I thought was really funny I like that a lot. It's clever too. Very clever. He's a smart dude. They talk briefly about just some rich people. They get into

Elon Musk and how he's net positive for the world which I agree with and they talk about how Mark Zuckerberg is not really and recently Mark I guess tweeted that what's good for the world is a necessarily good for Facebook and that's pretty shocking Like you got enough money what the fuck is all about? Then then something interesting went down where Joe said that he was getting shit for not having an opinion about Louis CK and Some news article I read this morning about Louis that he's come out with some more jokes and there was some leak audio and people are just all over him again. I mean it really looks like people are just doing everything they can to destroy that guy and what's gonna make it rough for Louis is he's so funny but his jokes were always they were pretty dark a lot of the time and it's tough for him to come back now with a target on his chest

Because almost everything he says is a little bit fucked up, but that's his comedy So unless unless he changes that completely It's gonna be so tough for him to to bounce back. I really hope he can. I'm a huge fan of his work and his comedy and you know, I, it's not my place to say like what he did sounds weird and fucked up, but it's not, I don't know, I don't think it's the worst thing and and you know, maybe he is very sorry and there wasn't necessarily a legal. So you know, can he be sorry and come back? I don't know, that's up for the fans, I think. That's how it has to go. But, you know, back to Joe not having an opinion about Luis CK, he's like, fuck it, I don't need one. I don't

have to have one. If you can't handle offensive stuff, don't go to a comedy show, you know, the people are just being really sensitive. Joe gives the expression, if you don't go to a comedy show, you know, the people are just being really sensitive. Joe gives the expression if you don't want to get mud on your hands, don't do any gardening. It's kind of like that. It's like what I was saying earlier. It's, uh, and then they move on to, you know, how people are being de-platformed on Patreon. They're taking away people's ability to make money and they're choosing who they are based on their opinions, which is a slippery slope. So a lot of deep thinkers like Sam Harris and so on and pulled themselves off Patreon and you can get donation money other ways

But it's just this like the overall theme of their conversation was like a freedom of speech portion that leads into you can have offensive opinions as long as they don't inside violence. You can have ones that jokes that are taboo and again you have the right not to listen but you shouldn't be able to shut people down. It's just really dangerous and, you know, I really do disagree with stifling free speech, you know, within reason. I mean, you can't just be shouting racist stuff, but I mean, even the crazy people that are wrong have the right to speak it and we all

come together and educate each other and make a better decision. I think it's a good way for me to learn. But anyway, guys, that's the last one of the reviews for this year, moving into 2019, getting some new equipment and working on some new editing processes so things will sound better. And then just kind of figuring out a new way to break these down and make them interesting. But thank you for listening and subscribing all year. I really appreciate it and see you in 2019. Peace.