Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - A Review of MMA 53 Kelly Pavlik

Episode Date: January 18, 2019

Kelly is a world class boxer and former world champion out of Youngstown Ohio. He retired 6 years ago and is getting a bit of an itch to fight again. His conversation with Joe is one all boxing fans will enjoy. Check out his new podcast and make sure to follow Kelly on social media. Enjoy my review folks! Please email me with any suggestions and questions for future Reviews: [e-mail]

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with Kelly Pavlik, MMA 55. Kelly is a retired boxer out of Youngstown, Ohio, 36 years old, has a new podcast out and I had a really good conversation with Joe and he's getting a bit of an itch to get back into fighting. So yeah, it's a legend in the youngest town area. Youngest town is quite a small place, but you just live in Cleveland and I know people that know a lot of the celebrities and sports guys out there and especially in youngstown Kelly is very well known.

A really good guy too and an excellent boxer when he was boxing world class. He hasn't fought now for about six years. So took a good amount of time off where he comes back who knows. But you know, in this conversation with Joe, he goes over a lot of the concerns that boxes have, you know, getting hit really bad, coming back, you know, he's got to think about his family. There's a lot of money in boxing,

but there's also a lot of danger. Later in these guys' careers, they are finding that they're really struggling with CTE and other damage to their brains, which makes sense as something they need to think about and they should. They've got the rest of their lives to live. And all the money in the world's not going to replace your inability to hold the decent conversation. Remember where your keys are. You know, if you can't really even remember your life in some ways, it doesn't even matter what you did in it. So that's that's some of the major concerns. You know, he opens up a lot of the conversation with the idea of the 10 seconds that you get as a box after a knockdown. And in a way, how important that is, it's an odd one because

I'm more of an MMA fan. And in MMA, there's nothing like that. You get knocked down, someone can just fly in behind you and, you know, finish the job. Whereas in boxing they give you a bit of a break you take a hard hit but then you get 10 seconds to recuperate and you're up again and after some hard hits especially like the one Tyson Fury took from Deonte Wilder. You know I don't know if it's all that healthy to get back up and keep fighting now. I'm sure Tyson and Tyson fans would disagree with me because he fought that fight to a draw and it was worth a lot of money

and it's gonna be worth his career. But sometimes when these guys take big shots, I feel like that's the one and done. I mean, the damage is there and if you're taking multiple more shots right after a big one that knocked you down, imagine how much damage that's dealing with. But again, you know, I'm not a fighter. I'll never be as tough as those guys. What do you guys think? How do you think that fights like

that should be, should be taken? Should these guys be able to take as many hits as they are or should, should, should you know commissions and judges and doctors step in and say okay that's enough like that one definitely rang your bell I mean we can't go too soft with these sports it won't even be fun to watch but we also want to take care of these guys you know I think it's it's only fair once again like many of the fighting podcast you just can't get away from it. They talk about the judges again. Judges being terrible.

They're terrible in boxing. They're even worse in MMA. Something needs to be done and what's the solution. And you know, it's almost like this conversation is just kind of worked to death because nothing's done. But something can be, you know, it should be, and it's not going to be fixed at all if we just keep the dialogue to, you know, to say nothing about it. Something has to be said, and people need to step in and come up with their own solutions for

how they're scoring the rounds and what counts and just the caliber of judges. Like, what is their skill set? What do they know? It's just really bad. I mean, it drives me crazy in MMA when some of the calls come in and I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. That doesn't make any sense. But, you know, and I certainly can judge a fight, but I'd at least try and learn what all the moves are. I mean, that's the least you could do. Talking about boxing style, they get into the style of different types of boxes, which I really find quite interesting, especially when they're from different weight classes. And one person you can't get away from is Loma Chenko, just because of

the way that guy moves. And what's cool about him is his father took him out of boxing for a year and he went and did some sort of like dancing. I can't remember what it was like ballroom or cha-cha or something but that's how he can just spin and move like that and he moves so well that you know it's almost what what Kelly was saying is almost impossible to break down his fight footage. You just almost can't do it because he's so different every time he just never know which way he's going to move. And it's those awkward fighters and the ones that move in very new and kind of special ways it makes for some great fights. And watching Long with Chenka was always pretty amazing. Like I said earlier, Kelly has started a podcast.

So check that out if you're a boxing fan. I'm sure it's gonna be very interesting. And how he's been kind of pushing for that is through social media, getting people on board and throwing it up on YouTube and other places. He was really good to listen to on this. He speaks kind of slowly and he's like a gentle giant type, but he was reflective, not argumentative, willing to listen. I liked his kind of candor

and the way that he put his ideas down. So I'm sure his podcast is very good. I haven't checked it out. I want to. I'm going to Kelly gets into some of the bad habits he has, which I thought was quite interesting, especially when you hear that from like a world-class fighter. You don't think that they're going to have many bad habits, but one that Kelly has had is he dipped, tobacco dipped his whole time during his fight career. And after he quit fighting, he wanted to quit dipping his one, started smoking, which I thought, wow, what a crazy choice. Like, he still wanted the nicotine, but didn't want that. And it started smoking later in life, as a strange one. Do you know anyone that started smoking later in life?

And what was their reason? I mean, I feel like once you get past like 2025, if you haven't started, you're not about to start, but who knows? I mean, everyone's different. That's kind of it. They talk a little bit as well about the in boxing, all the federations and all the belts. That's always been something that's kind of confused me. Like who is really the world champion at a certain weight when you have like, you know, 10 different belts and it's really just too many kind of, I guess, sanctioning bodies. They just needs to be one of those, you know, really for anyone whether you're a boxing fan or not. I mean, it's not very unified if there's five different versions of the same champion. It's a little confusing, but Joe was saying

that boxing is just far too corrupt. There's too much money in it. All these different organizations make a lot of money and they've decided that this is the way that they wanted to do things. of money and they've decided that this is the way that they wanted to do things. So it's going to be a long road before they're able to kind of separate that out and get just individual leagues. It's almost a shame they don't have like a UFC of boxing and who knows maybe the UFC when it gets big enough would just create a side company that's just basically the UFC of boxing and that becomes like really the main place where the top boxes kind of come up and do their thing. I don't see why that couldn't happen. It'd be the same format and I think it will be just as interesting. It might be a great way to really revive boxing across all weight

classes. Though boxing is kind of in a bit of a revival, at least in the heavyweights, you know, you've got fury, you've got wilder, and of course, you've got Anthony Joshua out of London as well. So, you know, you've got some powerhouses in the heavyweight division, great to watch, exciting fights coming up. And, you know, maybe something like the UFC could step in, create their own organization, and kind of do something pretty amazing out of it. Who knows, it's hard to say. They kind of finished up with diet ideas. Now, bear

in mind, Kelly has been powerlifting while he's not been boxing. So he's got quite a bit bigger and he's very strong. Now powerlifters generally do need to eat a lot of carbs to create massive amounts of strength, you know, and not require much endurance at all, huge amounts of food generally, and also carbohydrates are necessary for that. So he did kind of give his concerns on the keto diet and or intermittent fasting which are really both kind of fat loss and endurance building diets in a sense. So you still can't build some power and size with them, but he showed his concern for that. Joe defended those nicely in the way that he does with the knowledge that he has. But again, it's Kelly is a power lifter and if people are working for strength, like

a good body of mine is a very strong guy. He's a personal trainer and a power lifter. He's not into the keto stuff. He says he needs the carbs and get it down. But it's still cool to hear how you know these world class guys are a learning about nutrition and dividing up their energy but that's it for now it's a great conversation if you're a fight fan a boxing fan definitely check out that conversation with Joe

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