Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - Joe Rogan Experience Review 172

Episode Date: August 31, 2019

This weeks review is episode 1340 John Nores and 1341 Steven Rinella. John was a fish and game warden that ended up tackling cartel marijuana grows on national lands and was first on Joe's radar from going on Steve's MeatEater podcast so these two go hand in hand. It's so messed up what is going on with these grows and very brave of these officers to tackle it with limited resources. Here is the wolf video we talk about. Please watch it and message us with comments.. https://youtu.be/ysa5OBhXz-Q Enjoy my review folks! Follow me on Instagram at www.instagram.com/joeroganexperiencereview Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6ilK4Zrqk2ZeowbOo7pXgw? Please email me here with any suggestions and questions for future shows..

Hello JRE listeners and JRE review listeners. I'm joined today by with my good buddy Mark What up dude? What up? Now we took a bit of a week off Just to work through kind of a bit of a transition. Do we want to talk about any of that Mark? Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. Yeah, we're changing a bit of our format. Obviously we've been doing longer form conversations Mark's joined the team, and we get a bit more of a back and forth. Even though we're good friends, we think pretty differently on a lot of aspects of which I didn't even realize.

Yeah, but I mean, it happens. Yeah, right, but I don't know. I guess we just... We're not along with each other. Yeah, right, but I don't know. I guess we just yeah, we don't get into These sorts of not debates, but I guess topical We're all we ever do is talk comedy so it's cool to get right a different side of our conversations Yeah, and yeah, well, we're what we're trying to set up is And yeah, what we're trying to set up is, kind of within the reviews, is talking about what we pull out of the Joe Rogan experience, what we learn from it, how we can apply it

to our lives, you know, not just like, kind of how fun the guests are and how interesting different people are though That is very important, but what aspects of why Joe had them on in the first place? Like what is Joe trying to learn from these people? Which is really why he set this stuff up in the first place and Yep, um, yeah, it's kind of go from that. So today We got a couple of good ones We've got Steve Rinella and John Norres, right? Both outdoorsman John Norres on podcasts

1314 bit of a 1340 bit of a background on him he is Would you call it a park ranger or? Would you call it a park ranger or Fishing what do they call those fishing game guys fishing game warden? There we go fishing game warden. I was gonna say power ranger like a fucking idiot the power ranger Well vision game warden sounds like he like it runs a prison for marine animals Like yeah, right game warden All like a casino, an underground casino. Right.

Now, all I've ever known of these types of guys is, yeah, they just go around making sure you're not hookin' fish or, you know, I don't know, leaving your poops in the wilderness, or whatever you can't do out there. Cut trees down. What kind of things did you think people like this would get up to unlike the national parks

uh... that fires a big no no they look for poor controlled fires you know yeah the better be you know if there's no fire signs pushing california during the during the fire seasons you know that's got to be a heavy topic Nobody smoking things like that Camping in weird places

right You know hunting without a permit fishing without a permit because you have environmental concerns and they're on top of that Make sure what you know just nobody's trashing our National Parks things like that treating them to respect. Dumping. Yeah. Dumping, crapping the river, or like living out there. I kind of always assume people would just try and live out there. Maybe people on the run, or just like people that were weird.

Sounds great. You're right. But not right now, it's hot as fuck, but like, and you can camp out in the parks, right? You can get yeah Absolutely I do it all the time Designated spots, but I guess there's your certain spots you can't go and then also protecting people hiking You know making sure that they're hiking in the right places or not getting lost and things like that Well, there's also a big concern about especially like in your your semity, big concern about food, because you have bears that will ruin your

ship for some beef jerky. They will destroy your whole fucking car to get a bag of fungans and they don't give a fuck. What are you supposed to do with that? Put it in the hanging in the tree? You put them in a lock box. They have a box for food. So I guess it's something to center something like that Yeah, you kind of think that if you're having to put food in a lock box, aren't you also food? That is a good point. I but I feel as if Like the smell of cooked bacon or jerky or fish or hot dogs or anything probably has a better smell than you know jeeter and lyroy who have three day old body or you know what I mean. Yeah they would prefer food that can't run away

initially. Exactly. I mean I prefer food the same way so I can I can relate. I enjoy fishing, I enjoy the piece of fish but sometimes it's a hell of a lot easier to go to Ralph's. It's better to get what up Sam and thanks. Yeah, so it's a Food mates. What is that exactly delivery service? Yeah, yeah post-cars. Have a sent you house. A billion of them Billion of them. Yeah, that's what bears-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post been pretty stoned. And then by the time you line it up, all the fees that come in it are overwhelmed my laziness.

And I'm like, you know what, I'm just gonna get my ass up and go get it. It's like this for delivery, then this for that, and I'm like, I'm not even that lazy. It's like the delivery service is as much as the food. Absolutely, no, it's highway fucking robbery. When the girlfriend and I want to order pizza, she's like, let's just have it delivered.

I'm like, we might, for the price of it getting delivered, we can just pick it up and get an extra pizza. It's stupid. I shouldn't pay for it. But I patently fucking refused to pay for delivery unless I am really feeling lazy. Yeah, yeah. And the laziness always comes hand in hand with like the weed that I've smoked. That is true. I've done it long enough now to where I can push through any laziness, and or paranoia or social anxiety.

And I'm like, I'm saving that seven bucks and I feel like a thrifty shopper. Yeah, you might as well be on Wall Street now That's it. I'm buying Bitcoin. Oh God Spitting in this and game wardens. You'll be underwater in a week That'll be it that'll be it well, and then The marijuana portion portion of this conversation That's exactly what's happened out there

with these game wardens is as John was saying to Joe it's now just a hunt for these grow operations in California Which is so crazy and this has happened for like 15 years. I had no idea about this before I heard this podcast. I mean I kind of heard that some people but I just assumed that it was all the legal corporations like a bunch of like white kids with dreadlocks just like sitting in the hills growing some plant. I didn't realize the cartels were coming over here, shipping in these, you know, they would bring in,

God knows how many miles of piping for irrigation. Like really fucking up waterways, using horrendous insecticide compounds, and causing some major damage blew my mind yeah don't give a shit about anything do that no it's just like hang on a minute so we've kind of fucked ourselves again we've made it legal in California to like have the marijuana decriminalized when it was um well not decriminalized so how what did the steps go when did it when did you get the medical marijuana out here it's like 2000 year

one uh yeah that's like at least 10 years if not more now it's been way more now because I thought it was longer I thought it was like 2000. Like what was the first ballot initiative to legalize marijuana recreationally was the year Obama was elected and that failed. I'm pretty sure it was the same. I'm pretty sure it was the same year as like a game era job there. And then eventually the legislation just approved it. What two years ago? You're going two years ago? Something like that? Yep. Yeah, for another it was the midterms. Yeah, that they approved it what two years ago you're going two years ago hmm something yep yeah for another it was the midterms yeah that they approved it and that was gonna happen eventually anyway anyway but yeah so it's only been like a year and a half that it's been recreationally legal I believe

right it's been medicinal legal I mean I think we kind of led the cause on that one. I believe so, yeah. I think that's been a long time. And so this goes hand in hand. Like ever since they've had the medical marijuana available, I think they've decriminalized the grow-ups to whether or not felonies. And that's when the cartels were like this fucking makes perfect sense for us to grow over there and Well in John was saying that they've seen the same guys upwards of 20 times

So they're closed on operation down. They're arrest everybody. They can't do anything with this Some of these guys because they're illegals. They get somehow back in the country again, and they're working on gross sites again, because it's what they know how to do well. Yeah. Let's just take the tunnels that the cartels have. I mean, there's so many methods of getting into this country. It's kind of, especially with the resources that the cartels have. So they just, yeah,, they just kick them out they come right back in and do the same thing

Set up shop in a different spot. It's right. It's exact same fucking thing again Unbelievable like that must be so frustrating if you were like these people trying to clean up the situation Unbelievable, so yeah, and it turns right back into it and they're not to mention the fact that they're using compounds like carbon-furo, like super toxic insecticides that are completely banned here, but they're like smuggling them in, and then that's the weed that gets sent to the states where you can't get weed yet. Right. So who's buying that?

You know, it's me and you when we were in high school, man. Smoking this shit. Yeah, it's the bullshit. It's making these kids tired. That's why I know. I know. That's why we should be legal across the board. So we can regulate the shit out of it.

Make sure it's safe. By the way, and I talk about this in my standup act, like buying weed out here, it's like going to the Apple store now. Like it's I first went to buy weed and I thought it was gonna be this CD like little operation. Fuck no! I felt like I was about to buy an iPad and get sold like a $2,000 iMac or something. It's so nice and these people are so trained. I'm like, I hope you make a shit ton of money Because you know everything about this or though they could be making this shit out because I would have no fucking clue You might because you're a biochemist genius, but I'm like

Dude, I honestly I don't know shit either when I go in they're like well groomed but they're almost like, do you ever, when you were in college, do you ever see like the young marketers like in the, you know, master's marketing degree, they would try and like, they would have one of the big holes set up

and you could go in and they would like try and pull you in to whatever job is going on. And they're wearing like a suit and business casual and they're talking to you professionally and using all these like terms of marketing. It's 100%. All those people now are just going into Selma, marijuana. Absolutely. I mean, they were almost exactly the same.

So where's the restaurant? It's the restaurant. I usually deal with him He's surfing now. Yeah, he's like he's already retired No, they are exactly like you described except they have like a nose ring or an eyebrow ring and that's it. That's the difference I couldn't tell you shit about all the different strains either really I mean anything beyond Sativa indica, you know, getting the CBD. Yeah, when they start throwing all the different names down, I'm like a

hold on a second. Any of these things related, they're like, have you tried Wajee Maui, Jibby, Jumby. Johnny Hatch. Yeah. I'm just like, hold on. Yeah, no. It's um, I've never been more in the hands of the person helping me. It's practically like going to the mechanic or the dentist. It's like three things I know nothing about. Dental procedures, cars or weed. I'm like I don't know. I guess you could fuck me every which way from Sunday right now because I'm gonna have no clue. But at least I'll get stoned at the end of this. It's supposed to, you know, cars still won't run or my teeth hurt. Well and it's, you know what? It's like even if you go into these places, it's really relatively cheap. Yeah, no it is. You're open to it.

Yeah, if you're, well, I mean, think about being an alcoholic. You've got to drink some pretty shitty alcohol. If you don't have a lot of money in order to stay like hammered all the time Like it really gets down to that that really gross whiskey that they sell it, you know the corner stores Canadian mist something like five dollars But I mean if you are Completely addicted to weed and you need to get really fucking high every day. How much are you spending? Not a big deal.

No, not at all. I mean, you could spend, what did I get? I got a, I got an eighth for like 40 bucks. That lasted me like five months, six months, something like that. You're not smoking weed. Well, I don't know, I only do like what's twice a week. I haven't done it in all this week. But yeah, I mean, you can do it.

You can completely make that happen. And more important is you know you didn't support any card sales, which is kind of a good feeling. Not that that should always be like the forefront of your thinking, but I mean you are a consumer, you money goes somewhere and to know that it didn't kill anyone is pretty good. Also, it's not covered in any compounds that are super toxic and dangerous and hopefully you're not destroying the environment with it either. I assume most legit grow operations are pretty well done. Most agriculture should at least, you know, no pesticides.

Well, especially in California, I mean, everything we buy, everything's got to be organic and no pesticide free. It has to be because we're too... We're just going to have to ask holes about that. There's just not a market for... We're two... We're three times. I asked holes about that. We're just gonna freak... There's just not a market for... It's not like food where you buy chicken with some hormones in it. Like, well, you know, but it's $5 less and I gotta eat every day.

So this is a one-it-s-wee, it's like this is recreational. I'm gonna put more poison in my body than I'm already doing. So... Yeah. I'm gonna put more poison into my body than I'm already doing so yeah So I mean it let's weigh up what's happening here from like what we've learned It seems like it costs a lot of money to employ these guys that really don't have the resources even though he said he pulled in Other units and other teams from different departments. They just don't have have resources to keep up on this. It's dangerous for them So that costs the taxpayers a lot of money then The money that is made by these guys goes back to cartels. So there's no tax money. No tax revenue

taken from that at all and worse is all of That weed, or most of it, gets shipped to states that haven't legalized marijuana. So they're selling it to whoever they sell it to, people that want weed, high school kids, whatever, covered in super toxic, completely banned pesticides. Yeah? It's a big fucking problem. Like we're not just talking about like hey let's legalize weak as it's the right thing

to do. Like this is way bigger than that. Absolutely. I mean you could say that about any drugs, really. Like, the more we regulate them, the more we subject them to tests and things like that. The more they become a consumer product, as opposed to something that you buy under the table from some CD-Dude in the back alley, at least the better it's going to be kind of thing. I mean not saying you know, but even cocaine

Meth heroin you have no idea what you're getting, but the minute you become a customer and you can take your business elsewhere Shit gets real. That's it. That's even though I'm a fucking liberal. I do appreciate capitalism for that point Yeah, it's true. Well, and you know, those ones are tougher because there's always the argument to be made that, you know, they can kill you. Or they can ruin your life. It's, it's still so hard to make that argument these days with somebody about marijuana. Oh, yeah. It's like you could probably die fast at eating a bunch of strawberries Probably I don't know I can't be sure but I bet you can eat more marijuana than you can eat strawberries. I have upper money on that There's definitely be fun or longer

There's probably some compound in strawberries that will make I like a I like a better than drinking no hangover Yeah, it's longer sleep well way better than drinking Yeah, no doubt no doubt So what's the solution? I mean they should make a documentary about this I think they should really push that it should be one of those netflix ones that The gets you know and it should be done by because It should be one of those Netflix ones that gets, you know, and it should be done by, because remember they've had all those marijuana documentaries on Netflix for a while,

and even as an advocate to it, I would see some of them and I'm like, oh, this is just another stone. I made this one. They just want all that well produced, and some of them were kind of annoying if it was put together by By shit even people that worked in this field, you know, they were like exhibition game people So it had like more legitimacy and they weren't even going about it from the angle of like

It's important to have marijuana legal. They were just like look at what happens when we don't do it Right, you know look how fucked up this is I Think you probably see an expose like that on like CNN and things like that But that's that's a less sexy. I mean you and I are interested in that because We like shit like that, but it's kind of a less sexy thing I guess You know the the overall socio sexy thing, I guess. You know, the overall socioe effects of legalizing marijuana.

Yeah, anytime you do like a little short, if it's only like 20 minutes and it's a clip within a show that has multiple others that loses a bit, like you just can't go as in depth. I think it would be great to really be able to expand upon this. I mean, this guy John Norris wrote a couple of books. I'd be interested to read those but I eat with books. It's like people are so lazy. Like how many people are it's so much easier to just turn on Netflix and be like, oh what? Yep. We just don't have the attention span.

And to be perfectly honest we never had the attention span. We simply just didn't have the content that tapped into that. and span. And to be perfectly honest, we never had the attention span. We simply just didn't have the content that tapped into that. So we were, you know, when we were younger, you and I had to read books if we wanted or articles. There was no internet. There was no Netflix and getting on a docking, you know, looking for a documentary or anything. You had to seek out the knowledge and then you had to spend the time learning it, reading it and everything like that. But even back then we would have immediately given that up if there was an easier, easier alternative always. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. I mean it's just a, it's just a more efficient way to, I don't think the knowledge stays

in as well. I don't think you pay as much attention to it, but more people get the message. And you know, when you show like a video of like, you know, awful things happening to, it kind of sticks with you. I mean, the environmental impact of all this is really what first made me think. Like they, they're drawing up the waterways, they're destroying these natural habitats, polluting areas. I mean, it's a big issue. I mean, that's kind of how they first were figuring out where these people were because they were like, well, what's happening upstream that's caused all these areas to just kind of dry up? Yeah. It's horrible, and I don't know if we have a solution for it, because they just

keep doing it, and they keep doing it, especially in these days. Well, we've got to legalize the federally, it needs to be legalized, you know. It does. What's really nice about the way that this all kind of wraps together is John went on the meaty to podcast with Steve Rinella. Steve Rinella is a guy that does the meaty to podcast, produce the meaty to show, great hunting show, learn a lot, very, very smart guy if you want to learn anything about hunting. And he describes everything in a kind of Anthony Bourdain way, though it's his own style.

Like he's an excellent narrator, and it brings a lot of feeling and compassion and humanity into this kind of art. Well, not an art, but like what he does, right? Which kind of makes it beautiful. But the idea that he would have a guy on Who is in a sense like advocating for the legalization of marijuana, but from a different angle from a we need to do this To protect the environment

Yeah Is really cool to me. I really like the way that that came about because initially hunters have just seen as like Republican dudes that just want to shoot animals. Right. And it all comes kind of full circle when you put the bigger picture together which is a pretty beautiful thing. Absolutely. Well I like that I like coming it from it coming at it from that angle too. That's important and people won't talk about that a lot. People won't talk about that at all for the most part. No, that dialogue never really like existed. But when it comes to destroying, I think that's where it resonates with everyone.

Is it like you do not fucking destroy the national parks in the United States. No. No. It's one of the last American communities. It's one of the last few Americans can be around. It's one of the last few things we have. It really feels like it's part of our existence as a culture, as our society. It's what you do. You go see these things. As a family, you take your kids there.

It's our history. You know, we're one of the younger countries in the world, where they definitely the youngest superpower in the world. This is part of our identity. It's important to people. It's important to American culture, because we are creating our own. We're not just Irish and German and American and Jewish and African American and any of that. We, you know, that is part of building our own American culture. That's important. And damaging that is, it's, um, it needs to be addressed for sure. It's fucked up. I mean, as an American, which Which you are you were born here? You lived here your whole life

You know, do you see the like the national parks is something that belongs to you? Yeah, I see it is something that belongs to all of us. Yeah, but that's why I load this idea of Drilling there or opening it up from mining and stuff. It's the last kind of pure thing left in this country. And yeah, I do see it as belonging to us. My mom was insistent on family trips to all of these areas throughout our childhood. Go see the country, go see the national landmarks, see the national parks, see, you know, those wonders, those awe-inspiring moments. And that's kind of, that's what we got, you know, that's, that's, that's part of our identity. It's important. So yeah, I do kind of see it as we own that. Because we do, you know, I'm a,

just have a tiny, tiny sliver of a stake in the national parks as a very low-paying tax pair. But it becomes, I do notice it. I moved here when I was 13, so 24 years, 25 years ago. And from one of the first things that I really noticed and paid attention to and have seen ever since, is that there is a connection to the outdoors that I didn't see in the same way when I lived in England. And the national parks were a big part of that.

Like, many families who go to them people love them like I've never heard anyone be like nah the boy not into it like sure people aren't maybe into camping but going to these places it just have a really important kind of aspect to their, like it just means so much to them to go to you. You and I, just living in LA, the number of people that hike Runean Canyon and Griffith and all those other palisades, all those other spots, you know, taking selfies, you know, but there is this back to nature quality. You know, the number of people that go to the beach,

everybody wants to get back to nature, especially in this country. My kids speak for others like you can, but there is a back to nature aspect of that that I think is really important. I share it, I feel it. I love to go out, just don't I feel it. I love to go out. I still have the time. I love to go to National. Yosemite is one of the most breathtaking

experiences in my entire life. I'd love to see Yellowstone. I haven't seen Yellowstone. I've, you know, when I moved out here, I camped across country. So I got to see the entire southern half of the United States through all these different states, the lot of geography, a lot of different landscapes, it was without a doubt that one of the top moments of my entire life, that trip. Even though I was stressed out and I got unbelievably sick when I arrived in Los Angeles, I mean, maybe the sickest I've ever been in my entire life,

sleeping like 20 hours a day because I was just a stressful move and everything. But it was still, I wouldn't trade it for the world, I want to do it again. It was amazing just to see all of it. Not even just the landscape, like the landmarks and national parks, like my favorite night was when we camped in Amarillo and it was like late October, so it was starting to get chilly. And there's nothing to see in Amarillo, it was just kind of this dirt town, but it's completely flat, completely clear. And camping that night, it was like you could see

half the universe. The stars were out, there was no pollution, there was no light pollution. I've never seen so many stars in my entire life. It was the most tranquil experience I've ever had in my entire life, period. That was just an amazing moment. Yeah, I think even when you said you hadn't been to some of the other parks, you just need to know about a few of them. You've been to some of the other parks. You just need to know

About a few of them you've been to some you've been to some areas that really connected in nature And then when you hear about something like this, you know cartel coming in fucking up all this land and Potentially damaging these other places that you haven't even seen so you're not really even Connected to with a memory. You're just invested in because hey, I'm an American and I have a stake in this and this is what we are And this is what my kids will see you can fuck right off if you think you're gonna damage it That's that message that needs to get out there Well, yeah, it's our backyard needs to get out there. Well, yeah, it's our backyard.

That's it. That's what they should call a documentary. Yeah, there's a fuck out of my backyard. We're a backyard. Yeah, we're the old man on the lawn. But we're telling you. Well, and it's so sad, but it becomes other people's problems when you talk about the drug problem.

And he was like, oh, this person had a drug problem, that person. And because you can always put it on, well, that was their choice to do that drug. So this idea of personal responsibility, you put the onus on them. What they did it, they smoked to that, they snorted that, they injected that. That's on them. You can put the responsibility on them but when you when they bring it into your backyard and they start destroying the stuff I mean at a base level you're like you bitches are bringing down our property value but

it's like this is our stuff this is our this is our home and now you're ruining it now we've got to warm other fuckers well I think that's I think that was kind of the message that Steve was laying down as he's like look I'm not saying I'm gonna start smoking weed but if this shit doesn't do anything bad right it doesn't necessarily fuck with motivation because he's talking to a man in front of him Joe Rogan who smokes a ton of weed and is saying straight up, I get shit done when I smoke this. Then what is the fight? Is there even worth a fight when the alternative is that it's fucking up the national lands? Like these huge areas that you love. Like forget about it. Like what are we fighting for? Will everyone just stop fucking trying to fight this? Silly cause and focus on what's actually happening.

Yep, yep. I think at the end of the day if you really want to address all of that though and I think it's an incredibly important point coming out from environmental standpoint from a health standpoint but if you really want to get to the nitty gritty figure out how it hurts people's pocketbooks and how stopping it will help people's pocketbooks. That's really at the end of the day. It always drives me crazy when any politicians come at anything. Like even this message of you know let's do it for our kids. Well you know what the last generation that was their message and all they did with

their kids was leave the world way worse than when they found it. Because at the end of the day, kids don't pay my bills. Shit, I gotta do what's easy for me right now. So if you can start selling in terms of pocketbook issues, you can sell anything on that. It's like getting rid of this will make you richer, keeping it will make you poor. Boom, that's how you do it. So if you can figure out a way to convince people that just the existence of these cartels doing this bullshit is ruining, you know, their pocketbook, even to the tune of just a couple of bucks, that'll

that'll motivate it. I mean, that's the most motivating thing because people want life to be just a little bit easier. Yeah, it's only a matter of time. It seems like everything is leaning that way. There's just no real reason. We're not even sitting back on a moral issue right now. We're just like, this is a major issue. It takes something like gay marriage, right? You're in a sense by not allowing it,

you are really persecuting the people that couldn't do it, and showing them that they were less than regular citizens. And it's, you know, exactly like a new, that's a thrilling shitty stance to take, bolstered by religious thought or whatever, right? So that was kind of the argument. But it never affected anyone's pocketbooks. They didn't legalize it because of a pocketbook issue. that's just it took time and it was the wrong thing the wrong

stance to take and everyone slowly started to agree this one hits on almost every type of point it really does it does you're right how long do you think we got before it's federally legal? What if you get the throw, if I gave you a 50 grand and you got a match, you got you got 10 year window. 10 year window. So like if I get it within, if I'm within 20, 20, 30, 5, they legalize it and you say 2026, then you just made it by nine years. You would write that. Yeah, I would definitely, I think 20 years, it's probably overshooting it a little bit to be safe. I think a generation, I think the more this next generation comes to a voting age, because

I mean, just, especially now that with so many states legalizing it, it's just, it's so easy to get it. There's, it's just going to be a waste of money. It's going to be a waste of resources. I feel like eventually a president is going to come in and it may very well be the next one. It's going to lift the DOJ to lift the federal ban on or to quit classifying marijuana as a type one

controlled substance. And I think at that point that'll begin the the windfall. And you look at Colorado who's done so well financially in this. I mean they made so much money off of this. think i think i read billions i could be wrong to don't quote me don't don't at me guys but i i mean i feel like they've made just unbelievable gains taxing the shit out of this there's some states that could really go down use that revenue alabama cough cough

and uh... where i went to college Georgia cough cough and Plus they could really stand and just chill the fuck out every now and then But I feel like it's it's bound to happen eventually and I would say within 20 years But probably sooner or probably more like 10. What do you think? Well, it's it has happened really quickly. I mean let's just go back to and I would say within 20 years, but probably sooner, or probably more like 10, what do you think? Well, it has happened really quickly. I mean, let's just go back to 2010. You know, I was living in Chicago just to think

that like it would be this readily available. Even then was like, no. Like I obviously knew that I think a few states that had the medical California had had it for about 10 years then, but it just seemed like states were coming in and out. Like it would get legalized and it would get banned. Then it would get, and it wasn't like a lot of states. I thought they were getting it anytime soon,

and there was always so much pushback that I almost felt like it was a bit of a fad that it even was medically available. I felt like that was the movie. It wasn't like there wasn't momentum. It wasn't like the ball was rolling and now it can't be stopped. Now it feels like it just can't be stopped. It can't be. Well, but you know, I know you didn't feel the momentum but the day it became

it legal medicinal that was the beginning of the end for opposition because it was so easy it was so easy to go get weed all you have to do so my ankle hurts and there was some doctor out there that's gonna write your prescription for weed as a painkiller i'm to the point now i have to actively remember that it's not legal

everywhere because it's just I mean you and I think both take it for granted that it's there and it's so weird like I wanted to send my mom with home some home with her last time she visited because of her like chronic pain in her back and stuff like that and I was like oh shit I can't do that because you can't bring that shit on a plane. That's an interstate drug trafficking charge, but it's just so weird that, and I feel like the rest of the world's gonna, the rest of the country's gonna join us soon.

Yeah, I think it's gonna be wild when the people you don't expect to be doing it. Like it'll be later in life Republicans that have always typically been against it. Now, given the option to like, okay, you've got cancer, so you can take all these different medications, or you can just be smoking weed, or a CBD combo of something,

and all of a sudden that's what they're doing Like once this kind of shift or just want them just coming out and being like you know to be honest That's just how I roll now. I don't want to be an alcoholic, but I like to get a bit fucked up So this is this is what I'm into and then that's a little yeah, Yeah, this thing is just going to kind of like disappear You know it will it's starting to already you're you're always going to have your backward areas Like your Alabama's your mr. Cippie's your Arkansas's I can say that because I'm from that area, so I know what it's like I say with authority

You know, they stand on their moral high horse. So they're going to be the last ones to, you know, come over to the, to the other side, but it's going to happen eventually because the tide is turning. Hmm. That's how it is. It really, as always, just comes the things like a lack of understanding and not for me to see you. Oh, I understand it all. I don't either. But take, take Alice Steve Ronella started the podcast out when he was talking to Joe about animal lovers.

Animal lovers that get mad at him for being a hunter. But then it's like what the most people know about animals and where the most of the animal lovers come from. Well, a lot of them come from like New York and California, right? Liberal areas, city spots come from like New York and California, right? liberal areas city spots LA New York City then they don't even see real animals No, they don't know what they are they say catchers. They see them on Instagram. Yeah, they're cute

They're and a lot of them are I love animals. They're very cute But a lot of them will look at you like they're fucking kill you as well. They will kill you! Unless they're domesticated, most of those fuckers will go after your ass. That is kind of a weird thing about cats and dogs. Two is like the cats and dogs that you will have in your house are adorable. They're just squishy little pillows and we love them. But you take almost any wild cat.

And I would say wild cat over wild dog. Like when I lived in Sri Lanka, we would go on these hiking excursions and a lot of street dogs would follow us along. And you know what they were reminding me of? They kind of looked like the dog on the Simpsons. I know he was supposed to be Greyhound, but they were kind of like small looking Greyhounds.

That's what like the mungrel, feral dogs kind of just ended up looking like. They don't go back into being wolves. They just turn into like the thing from, you know, I guess because they're slim, they're fast, you know, they're agile, they can hunt, or like go through the trash or whatever they ate. It's just what they look like. They weren't that scary. They wouldn't really growl at you, they would just kind of run around and do a thing.

Like you wouldn't want to fuck with them either, you know, because they used to like fighting with other dogs, they live on the streets. But when it comes to like a real feral cat or a different cat species You don't have you ever heard one of those things kind of Scowl and make that cat noise. It's send a chill down your spine, dude. Oh, dude terrifying I'll just hear my regular cat growl and like oh I'll get hurt if I go near that one right now. Like, my tiny little eight pound cat, you know, you know, I'm gonna jump on your lap and love you to death,

but if he growls and he wants to swipe at you, he's got talons, man. They will, he will fuck your shit up. But like, he can't kill you, but he can make you hurt. Uh-huh. And he's the little list of the species. Yeah. Imagine coming in contact with like a links bobcat,

a cougar, shit. Now, like they'll probably run away because they don't want to get involved, but they can hurt, but if you fuck with them, they could kill you. Yeah. We have mountain lions out here. Yeah, there's no conglomeration of

never seen. Yeah, there's no conglomeration of mountain lions living in the city going you know like guys we really shouldn't hurt humans because they're they're animals too. They're going you see one kill one we hungry. And what do you think about the whole conversation that often comes up like wearing Croaching on their space? Well, we are.

I mean, are we? Or are we just the fucking biggest, strongest, smartest? Like what is to think that we would be like, oh, there's a lot of deer over there, so we can't build a thing. And I'm not saying obviously I love National Parks. I's a lot of deer over there. So we can't build a thing. And I'm not saying obviously I love National Parks. I love a lot of things. I'm not saying like just coming in and building things. But if you go back to basics, like it's you,

it's your family, it's like 1760, and you just trying to find the best spot of land for you and your family to set up your like cabin in old time America. You're not going to not choose an area near a river because you're worried about what like animal. True, but in 1760 the ecological repercussions of building your log cabin near a river aren't nearly as consequential as they are now when you build a mill or a plant where you build an entire city and forested area where you basically just dislocated or deloque whatever the word is. You've relocated hundreds of species that have lived in their natural habitat for years.

That's the thing. Humans, we don't have any natural population control. Like we have so far evolved beyond disease and all other forms of things that kill us whether it's you know things that are unsafe all right Well, we got we got seat belts, you know Infections we got penicillin Drowning we got fucking you know Life vests. I mean anything you can think of, we have so far evolved beyond that. So like, they introduced wolves to Yellowstone and it completely changed the habitat for the better because of all the different things they did. They were able to, you know, trim down on like the deer population, which was running a mock and eating all the plants.

And that was a natural equilibrium that was created by introducing this pack of wolves that naturally lived there beforehand anyway. They created a perfect equilibrium. There is no equilibrium where humans go. We move in, we infestate, we take over. And we leave the scraps for the animals. I mean, that's kind of what happens. We don't live in equilibrium like we used to. We build skyscrapers, not log cabins. So in that regard, we are encroaching on their space. At the same time, you're going to ask me to move out of my apartment in California

because I want a red squirrel to have a nicer tree. I'm probably not going to do that. So I don't want to be a hypocrite and be like, we should stop because we're doing this shit but at the same time, we are moving in on them. You know what I mean? Well, you make a great point and I do agree with you on that. Like, before we move into an area, if we can, we should can, we should understand at least what's going on in there, what our impact will be, for sure. But then once we're in an area, if someone's like, there's a mountain lion on your street,

well, there's some bears. I'm like, sorry guys, Joe says it, I say it. I'm on team human. We need to fucking just move those beds please. Yeah, because I don't want to tackle them. And I definitely don't want my girlfriend or kids or any smaller things to have to tackle that. No, I mean, at the end of the day, it's true. We're team human. We're not gonna, we're not gonna not live nobody's gonna give up their life so that bears can Sleep in hi-re nation a little more soundly or anything else

I wish we could and I wish there was a better way of doing all of this But the fact of the matter is there isn't right now and we keep growing and me and You we're not gonna kill people and we keep evolving past a lot of the checks and balances on human population. That's just how it is. When you were talking about the reintroduction of the wolves in, was it Yellowstone? Yellowstone, huh? Did you see anything on that? What did you, what did you read about?

I read about that. It was an article, I think it was a net natural geographic article I read about like two years ago maybe longer about how just introducing a small pack of wolves changed everything about you know and even on an ecological basis because of the equilibrium of how animals existed in that within having a natural predator that cut down on a certain population even change the flow of the water like the flow of the river. I'll look I'll try and find it maybe I can bring it up. No, no, you don't need to. I'm glad that you bring this up because I recently watched a YouTube video about this and it's just called How Wolves Change the River and it's exactly what

you're talking about. Yeah. And, and I mean it has like 41 million views. So if anyone's listening, I'm going to put the link in the bio or the description for this podcast. It's only like four minutes long, but it's really fascinating because there's such a positive change to the overall arc of what was done. That in the same way, you think about what Steve Rinella and John is talking about with the cartel stuff and how they are diverting the water and poisoning the land. It's like the opposite is also true. Just as easily as is this balance of nature can restore things again well I guess humans can fuck it up yeah but it can happen real quick so I'll

put that link in there for anybody that wants to watch it and as always message us on Instagram yeah please Joe Rogan experienced review Instagram and then same logo so just let us know what you think about it because that's that's pretty cool but it was wild though how just getting the wolves back in did that. Yeah, it's fascinating. I'd like to add a caveat to the whole team human thing because I am team human but I'm not team pollute the fucking waters and pollute the area around it and make

And warm the goddamn planet because we're just fucking lazy that I'm not on team because there's a lot of things we can do That can preserve habitats that we haven't touched You know, no ain't nobody moving to the North Pole to build a log cabin nobody wants to do that shit yet a lot of the effects of North Pole to build a log cabin. Nobody wants to do that shit yet. A lot of the effects of mankind are wreaking havoc on these natural habitats and these species that we haven't touched in terms of physical contact, but because of what we've done to the planet. It's greatly affecting them and that bothers me. And we don't have to be able to, we don't have to do all that shit. We can still try to find some type of coexistence more or not destroying everything. Yeah.

And I mean, I think if anybody is not like hearing that and assuming you're taking a heavy political viewpoint, I think that everybody agrees on that too. Like you go to basically. I hope so. Everybody agrees on that too. Like you go to base it. So if you're like, listen, we're polluting, like you want this person to pull this bucket of oil in that stream where you fish, no one's gonna say, no, that's fine, because humans don't. You're right, exactly.

There's no impact, you know? But it's only when you get broader, when you're like, we're making the world harder, they're like, no way, bullshit. You're like, okay making the world harder that like no way bullshit you like okay abstract it's too abstract you you it's just it's really difficult to make people care about something that is happening elsewhere

about that's why you always gonna go back to the economics of it you got to go back to the economics of it it's hotter so you know what your condition is gonna run longer you know what that's gonna mean higher power bills let's stop doing this ship yeah we don't want higher power bills there you go there's an argument do you think that maybe just make the argument on the much smaller scale like only focus on like the the end it like what you can see if it's too abstract to say we're making the world hot so just be like well that factory over there

is polluting your kids yeah focus on that dialogue because that is what we know all politics is local yeah we all agree we all politics is local yeah you should it should be all agreeable. Drives me crazy when politicians talk about climate change, the world getting hotter,

sea levels rising, all this. It's all abstract. Or the solutions. And the solutions always seem to come from a moral answer, but they can never really address or they never talk about cost. When at the end of the day day if you can really get around it You're gonna make life easier for people like the more we have solar and wind the cheaper that shit is Because once you pay for it to be installed. It's done. It's free energy wind is free

The sun is free and when people I love when people say I'm what what about when it's cloudy? I'm like you ever gotten a sunburn when it's cloudy turns out you eat radiation every fucking day Yeah, you do try being ginger. You know what I am I do oh Yeah, it's um it's Economically it's feasible you can invest in those things like I get pretty sure if we made the solar panels efficient enough Yeah, and then had look plants grow in England So don't tell me there's not enough fucking sunlight massive oak trees grow in England

They don't grow because of magic. They just have efficient leaves that's They don't grow because of magic they just have efficient leaves that's photos in solar panels. True. Yeah, we get totally do it. All right, let's switch it to let's switch it from environmental lism to have you seen Dave Chappelle's new stand up. No, and I'm I've been waiting. I'm going to watch it Monday with some weed in my girl,

and I can't wait. I love it. I watch Smith's videos because I can't not. Like I can not watch anyone else's stand up for a long time. I promise you. I don't know why, you know, when I'm writing comedy or thinking about it, it's almost like I'm a little nervous

to watch other people's. Sheep Hell is like, I can't stay away. And the controversy this popping up, I can't wait to hear the magic. So on next episode here, we're going to jump into, oh wait, you said you're going to watch your Monday? Yeah, I was going to watch your Monday. All right, perfect. We'll do it.

We'll talk about it then next Wednesday. Should we do a special episode? A day or two? Yeah, let's do a hundred... Look, he just went on tour with Joe. Like, he's talking about his red-nate. Let's do a Chappelle episode and trust me, I am not reviewing the Master of Comedy stand-up.

It's not as... Hell no. No way. No way. No way. My review is close. I would close this high, would smash this computer that I'm recording on before it ever even attempt to insult that genius.

But yeah, we get into some of the topics that he talked about, why they could be controversial, why they're important that he brought it up, and I haven't even seen it and I know all those things happened. You know, what he's doing is, is has been amazing since he's come back. And I, just from what I'm hearing from the sidelines, I know that this special is going to be the same thing. And I want to talk about why it's so important to come in and say to this, like, you know, this culture of, yeah, of, you know, what are they called? I read this. I read this awesome tweet today and I haven't even watched it yet, but I thought, but the tweet was so fantastic.

So I'm going to read it out right now. It's got a Curtis Cook. It's Curtis under its at underscore Curtis Cook. If you want to look it up yourself. And he says, Dave Chappelle is my kind of idol, because it's always been my goal to walk away from $50 million after realizing audiences are laughing in a way that belittles the struggle of my people.

Then return a decade later to make that money back by belittling the struggle of others. Oh genius. Good time to fucking love it. God damn, unbelievable. Yep, yeah. That's fucking great. That is so clever and so good. He's ridiculous man. This is how good he is. So we're gonna do a whole episode for him next Wednesday. And then we'll catch up on episodes from then. them We got a new logo coming in new design gonna be working with Mark's brother who's a bit of a genius on this stuff

Thank all we know some people that are actually smart and talented and You're performing tonight right you're up to comedy store seven o'clock Very nice very nice. Well, I'll probably post this too late for anybody to be able to make their move but at least that's happening oh well yeah oh well I'll be up there brother we're coming up sweet love it love all right man we can't hold out anyway so we'll be good yeah it always is man that comedy store is just crushing it up that. All right. Good stuff as always. Thanks, thanks you guys for listening.

I really appreciate you putting up with us as always. And yeah, welcome back Mark. We're back into it. Took a week off. We needed it. Love it. All right, brother. Take it easy.

Later, guys. Bye. guys bye