Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - Joe Rogan Experience Review episode 170

Episode Date: August 13, 2019

This episode we talk about 3 comics that Joe ended the week with: Alonzo Bodden 1331, Annie Lederman 1332 and rendan Schaub MMA 74. Both Mark and Adam are big fans of the weeks stacked with comedians so bare with us if they get on your nerves but we try to convey why they are so awesome as best we can.   Enjoy my review folks! Follow me on Instagram at www.instagram.com/joeroganexperiencereview Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6ilK4Zrqk2ZeowbOo7pXgw? Please email me here with any suggestions and questions for future shows..

Alright J.R.E. fans, this is the Joe Rogan Experience Review joined today by Mark. Woohoo! What's up guys? And of course me Adam. So once hi thanks for tuning in okay, I want to start off quickly by Saying there is a new petition for Joe Rogan to be the what is it? The political analyst yeah moderator presidential debate, right? The moderator for that yeah, I signed it yeah, analyst yeah moderator presidential debate right you know the moderator for that yeah, I signed it

Yeah, so yeah moderator. I mean that seems funny They asked the questions and they get and they kind of I think it would be kind of fucking amazing Dude I would assign one that said polyshore was gonna be the moderator so so yeah be the moderator. So, so yeah. Is it an intrep? Don't put me too much on the fanboy end of signing things. I am willing to sign things. It's true. I've had him sign like, I've had him like co-sign loans for me. He doesn't know it yet. He's in a lot of debt. Yeah, my credit is the worst but i know that would mix it up though why does it have to be what is it

have to be those news notes because they control everything i mean that's like that's who they're the serious people right so like all the serious people must ask the serious questions and Joe Rogan wears a t-shirt. Therefore, he is not eligible to ask presidential candidates questions. But I actually think it'd be really fucking awesome. Maybe they do it like old school, like back when they did town halls on like MTV. Remember when like it was a big goddamn controversy because that's where Clinton said, that's where they asked you to smoke. It was like,

I smoked. I did not inhale, fuck you. And then we asked some boxers or briefs. And I was like, woo, because he's kind of good looking. And we're MTV, we're edgy. We asked the boxers or briefs question. Fuck you MTV. Yeah, right. Yeah.

And then it's like, and they're like, oh my god, I can't believe they slumped themselves in what an MTV and did this stuff. And now it's like not even a thing. Slumber. Yeah. Well, but people do like that. They like that normalcy with it.

I remember when Bush was president, but regardless of who people liked at that time, the one metric that George Bush, a junior, had on his side, was the high percentage of Americans would love to have gone for a beer with him. Yeah, that is that mean. That's the, because ultimately, because it doesn't really mean

they wanna have a beer with him. That's psychologically, it means, I feel you're kind of like me. Therefore, you'll kind of get the struggle I personally am going through, but to really peel the layers away, it's kind of like you're dumber than shit like me. That's kind of it. They want somebody that they feel is on their level, but just maybe just slightly better. Yeah, he didn't he well, he definitely wasn't what you know, it's one thing to Not be that smart or be that smart, but it's another thing to

Impose that on others and be like I am smarter than you and just by talking to you I'm gonna be snarky and I'm gonna make you feel dumb. Yeah I'm sure people hung out with Clinton You know or even had the idea that they were going to. They were like, this guy's gonna fucking make me look like an idiot from the moment I get there. That was his strength. He didn't do that.

He was really good with normal people. I mean, my mom's best friend growing up, work for him for years. She really loved him. She really did. I mean like, like, like, like, like, like, like, legit West Wing like private tour. Like, there was nobody else with us. We were in the West Wing. We saw Roosevelt and we saw Oval Office. I was in the, I, I have my picture taken in the press room. It was like for real. She was the director of Intergovernmental Affairs.

That's pretty sweet. Yeah, we got lost in DC because apparently that's a really easy thing to do because she was like, she had a range that we were going to meet him. But we got lost and I think that's why my parents got divorced. Not really. My dad got lost. My dad couldn't see and my mom was just like harping at him all the time.

And it was just a world of shit. And at the same time, it was a microcosm of their entire relationship. But there's one of 10 reasons why. But he was really good. He remembered names really well. He was really good with everyday folks. Cause he had that folksy charm.

He was from Arkansas. He had that folksiness Mm-hmm. Yeah That's what's a popularity contest. That's what we're learning and if it didn't realize I don't think we realized it All too much before though obviously it was right well obviously is always that because you get it But you know, I think we always like to start with the idea of like, okay, what is their experience? What do they know? It's like, we always have looked at it like it's a job application.

Here's your resume and now that you're in a interview. But really, it was more of an audition. And that's what I'm doing today. It's like, forget your fake ass resume because we can just we can just fill that out with a bunch of fake references. How popular are you? Well, they've all got resumes. They've all got resumes and I do believe what was Trump's resume. He didn't do any politics business. He was like TV.

Business. Politics business guy was like TV business. Tom is that politics. I guess that's not but that was the whole thing It was the it was the shake-ups like well, let's get a business guy in there Which I was always flummicks me and forgive me and when I get on my soapbox for 30 seconds You do not run the government the same way you run business the goal of government Is to make people's lives easier to make things run efficiently the goal of businesses to create a profit is to make people's lives easier to make things run efficiently. The goal of business is to create a profit, is to make money. They are completely different entities. That's why it always drove me crazy

when people are like, well, we need to run the government like a business. It's not a business. It's completely different fucking thing. Now, if you want to- Yeah, the don't governments need to also make a profit. I mean, they can't just be like No, actually the billions in the whole how are we even paid for that?

We are billions and my friend we're trillions in the whole to the tune of like 22 22 million in the whole So the government is designed to just spend everything Government and then well now government should simply spend on Government should simply spend on essential services, social programs, things like that. In an ideal world, the balance sheet is balanced in an ideal world. Oh, I got you. But unfortunately, we run every administration, republicans, democrats, and run debts. That just happens. Only one team

runs on this idea that we shouldn't keep spending, but they all spend. One just lies about it to be perfectly honest. But really, the balance should be equal. You'd love to take in a little bit extra and then have it as a surplus in case we need it for an emergency or something like that. But we're, I mean, we're so far in the whole. It's not even, honestly, God, it shouldn't even be concerned because it's so ridiculous. It's like, you can't even fathom it. Yeah, there's no savings plan.

They don't get to put my ear saw in. That's the savings plan. Yeah. We'll never be out of that debt. That debt is just saying. savings point zero will never be out they've will never be out of this that that's growing money They're throwing money at us and then we spend it and then that's how that goes pretty much yeah But back to Joe moderating because I feel like a cool thing about Joe moderating a debate would be that he caught people on bullshit Yeah, or even if he didn't let's say he was being more like he is on his podcast

and he's just listening, you know, and trying to get people there, their spot. He's still going to pause and be a little bit kind of like, really? Yeah. What, really? Like I don't think he's gonna fully let someone get away with a bullshit answer Well, I mean I would look there's two things I'd love to see I'd look see Joe Rogan moderated debate with Trump and from over the democratic nominee is

I also like to see Joe Rogan Do play by play for UFC match with Trump and whoever his Whoever is upon his I think both would be equally phenol re-entertaining. Oh, god. Because I think Trump gets his cut, ask him either way. Well, but as fun as that is, well, not if it's Bernie. I, the worst part about that is, let's say it starts as a joke, but then all of a sudden

it's the most watched event in history. And now that becomes a thing. It would be like the Seinfeld finale. Oh, dude. There's no way you wouldn't watch Trump in a cage fight. I want ridiculous, like the only way people wouldn't watch it is if there was a massive effort to boycott it. And then people did it

out of that like, oh no, this is, is what I believe in this shouldn't go this way because then people will watch it. Otherwise, everyone's fucking watching that. Every TV, everyone forever. Every Democrat is watching that. And 90 Republicans are buying all the tickets. Oh, absolutely. Well, they'll watch it on Pay-Per-View. Yeah, because they'll watch it because they just love that shit anyway. Yeah, there's anything wrong with that. That'd be totally down. Totally down. It'd be awesome. So, we got some great guests for this week. Okay, there's a long intro but thanks for hanging in there people. We gotonzo Bowden Alonzo has been on the podcast before great comedian fantastic person has met Mark's girlfriend I was like I met him in an NPR event

he really nice taller than I thought oh Alonzo is a about us. Very, very fun. So that's podcast 1331. Then we have Annie Letterman, 1332. I didn't know a ton about Annie, but I love all these comedians coming on right now. I wonder, well, you know, he Joe's gearing up now for his big tours. He just did the one with Shapel, he did more of those, he's got his hour together, he's really just ready to hammer it, he's just crushing it

at a very new level. I mean, he's like stadium big now. This is, dude, it's ridiculous. The last five years, like he's just completely blown up and there have been people bigger than him and there's still a you know like Sebastian can sell out Madison Square Garden. I mean Joe is not there. Louis was doing it before Louis happened to have what happened. I guess Jim Gaffigan is probably the next bigger guy that can sell out big places. Yeah I'm telling you, if you're looking at graphs of growth, I don't know in the next few years, I don't know who's that similar level of growth who's going to be bigger than Joe when it comes to selling these these places out. So you and me, what I 100% yeah. What I love about this though is I think during this time of the year is when he really connects with

comedians the most and I can't talk for every type of Joe Rogan fan But I mean even before I was doing any stand-up. I always loved having the comedians on because you get to hear just even if you pull one little intelligent get to hear just even if you pull one little intelligent nuance out of each podcast that directly relates to comedians, that's gold because you can't get it anywhere else. And no one was listening before. This was always just private conversations between pro comedians. Right. And a lot of people are listening to this. So even though it's a very specialized little art form

that even Rogan fans are not all that into actually pursuing, the knowledge of how it works is floating around the ether. And I like to fucking pick that shit up. Hell yeah. It's great. It's really good. So, Alonzo, without further ado, Alonzo. That was a weird... I guess he's investing in the new wheat system. He's liking what's going on with this like national wheat. What did you take? You have some bits in your new act that is

Hitting up going to the go into the dispensary I know yeah, so when you're looking at it from the outside like it's changing so quick Right now is just I don't know who the fuck runs all these dispensaries. Oh, dude. It's like walking into an apple store now Yeah, no it is it It's 100% like that. Like, I mean, it's like, no, it's like walking into an Apple store if a lobby was a massage therapy place. So it's all like this transcendental music

and it's very calming in the front. And then you walk in the back and it's like, Apple Store, Mania, and it's just like all these knowledgeable people with just like, it's so overwhelming, like the girl that the first time I ever bought weed, she was like, you look like Bambi just found out his mom died.

And it was like, oh my God, there's so much here and I knew nothing about it, but I was very intimidated by the whole process. Yeah, I always pretend I know a hell of a lot more than I know. You know a lot. Which is fucked up because I've been smoking weed for like 20 years. But you get in there and it's like they went to weed college. They totally went to weed college.

It's like wait what? And they're like this strain and this strain and you're just like hold on a lot of it's a bit Woo-woo though to be honest if you ask like any scientific questions sure and I mean you're talking about That like they they've got a lot of quote-unquote strain knowledge Sometimes they're not even that sure how to define strain be like walking in a herb store Be like which one's good for immunity and they're like with this one The lines from your radians with your chakras and the solar system and constellations You'd be like okay, but scientifically what does it do with omega-3s and blah blah blah? And the look on their face was like

I don't know like but I know you but I have crystals You hit the nail on the head. That's where it breaks down. Yeah. Because they jump from what the strains are, and maybe even what the levels of TCR to all these crimes. Well, I- Which is like, okay, that's a stretch. And that's fine because to be perfectly honest,

they're sales associates. To understand on a molecular level what happens. It's kind of a bit ridiculous to expect that of them. I like in it two years in L.A. when I worked at a shoe store. Yes, I've heard all the Albundi jokes and they wanted me to learn everything, like the science of stuff and I'm like,

no, I'm not gonna do that. Like they'll sell or they won't, but like my knowledge of like molecules and selling these shoes is not going to really make the difference and one way or the other. I could have very well been wrong, but I didn't care enough to find out. And it's kind of that way. It's like, I, you can't expect them to get that knowledgeable about that stuff. Yeah, it's not necessary. Now, Marijuana, though, is a little different than shoes. It is. Only because you're gonna go into space. It's true, don't soak your shoes. It's also telling people that this shakyo is cancer when they might just need to go to the regular doctor. Yeah, that's probably a good idea, too That's a that's a heart cell man

Like they make some stretches. It's really irresponsible It's really responsible to even make that assumption that that that's not different from and that's entirely different from saying CBD Helps with joint pain and relaxation because they've been able to do Clinical on that they've been able to study that but the idea that you can take a terminal illness and cure it with like That's really irresponsible because there's no data to back it up And you and I were having a conversation about data yesterday, weren't we? Well, it's just the fact that you know, I mean we you made that comparison of Apple

I mean, you know Steve Jobs his biggest regret before he died is that he didn't go full on into like the woo-woo crystal healing. And he had done more traditional Western healing. He would have probably lived. So, you know, there's a bit of a balance. It's like, look, it is doing some good, but don't get carried away. If you fucking gonna die then go to a regular doctor. Weeves is mostly just fun.

I'm very much for Eastern medicine. I do acupuncture it works wonders. The herbs, herbs work phenomenally. When I get sick I take take this some muono-erbal remedy and it helps. It's not placebo. It really helps, but that is entirely different than something that is incredibly terminal. And when it comes to that, when it comes to that, you've got to go with what's been proven to be the most effective so far. It's not to say that there's not something out there on the eastern side of medicine that is as effective if not more. We just don't know definitively. Well, you've got to play the odds, right? Well, you just got to prove it. Yeah. Okay. So, it's the problem with the East and side of medicine is they don't have money to do a lot of the case studies.

Yeah, no clinical trials. So, and there's guaranteed there's a bunch of good shit over there because this is anecdotal and it's tried and tried and tried. Now, no, Rhino horn is not going to make you dig bigger, but there is some stuff over, plenty of stuff over there. Like there were a full-in gala and a bunch of other things that are super good for you. This is where the next point came up is Alonzo and Joe were talking and Joe gets a lot of stem cell shit. Yes, that was fascinating, man. Well, on the other end of the spectrum of like just assuming weed is good for you and making these claims, you know,

and I mean weed is good for you, but bold claims about all these specific things that it does and I've we had a CBD oil salesman and my GG2 Jim recently I met him in Catalina and I invited him out and he met my guys and he's real nice nice guy and um Not a dummy either used to be a lawyer his mother owns like one of the biggest law firms in the country But he's coming in and he was making a lot of claims that just the way that you could hear he put the structure of his sentence together Yeah, it was like a lot of You know, yes man in his community just saying oh you just rub that here and it does this and the absorption factor is x, y, and z. And I'm like, dude, I don't, you know, you don't want to be a negative nelly.

Right. And I'm like, there's no way that they know that that happens. That's not a way of talking. Like, these aren't any, nothing about this is scientific or you're saying. It sounds cool. Sounds cool. I'd love to rub that on on my elbow and it feels better. But don't tell me they're like 60% of the CBD can penetrate the damaged muscle area. Like, oh, there's no, one, where you, yeah, where you pulling that out of your

ass is where you're pulling it from. Well, it sounds good, right? And sounds good. Sounds good. But then when it comes to stem cells, we're talking about a highly researched... Highly. Dude, there's... The government is trying to ban this and has been for a long time. It really knocked on the head with a bush. Oh, yeah, because they were using... But they're not even using most stem cells aren't from

Feet will tissue anymore a hundred percent now. This is the weird thing about science during that time It was frustrating to a lot of people and they were like they're holding science back but hold on the beautiful thing that came out of that Even though at the time I didn't agree with it, but they found new ways to find. Well, look at it like this, right? You're fucking drilling for oil. And then all of a sudden people say, you can't drill in Saudi anymore. And they're like, but we're full of oil. And like, I'm sorry, you can't do it. You're not allowed this oil goes against our religion. So then you develop these really advanced machines that can suck it out of a fucking carrot. Sure, it's a lot more work, but then you have all these new avenues and you have a much

tighter science. Now, I think it was inadvertent. I don't think that was Bush's plan or any of the things that motivated that, but sometimes you get these avenues of understanding that you never even thought you would go down because you didn't need to. Well, what's the phrase, the necessity is the mother of invention? Yeah, perfect. It's true. It's like, it's same as an art too.

Your limitations can be your biggest strength because it makes you think creatively about solutions. So maybe we were lucky, but also maybe the lesson here is, don't lose hope, stay positive. Yeah. If five of your doors close, let's look down a new road and don't give me wrong.

There were probably some people that could have used some of the original technology stem cells to keep them alive. Yep, stuff takes time to develop and I think we're going to have better understanding of products. I mean Joe sent his mother down twice. Yeah, twice for Ne. For Ne. Ne.

That's it. Ne. They were going to give her a new replacement surgery and he was like, no, no, no, no, no, do this. Well, that's just needs they're gonna give her a new replacement surgery and he was like no no no no no do this Well, that's just so okay, bro. We're so we're like we're in the we Oh, it's it sounds fucked up to say it I don't want to take anything away from orthopedic surgeons or any surgeons, but it's the dark ages the fact that we even have to chop into anyone

It means that we don't have good technology yet because it opens it up for massive infection, sloppy work, leaving you watching inside them. You know. We'll think about, I mean, think so much surgery now is arthroscopic. So much. I mean, unless it's, unless it's something like brain surgery or heart surgery or lung surgery, where they, you know, everything else is damn near, or there's a topic. They get in a lot better. A lot better. I mean, but if they have to do,

but if they just do like valve repair, that's gonna be, that's, I wouldn't say minimally invasive, but they're not cracking your chest open. Not like they used to. Shit, they can thread a needle through a vein. They get in there and it's insane. Open heart surgery is pretty brutal. My man.

I don't know if I ever told you this. I probably seen 50 open heart surgeries. Serious. And when I say seen them, I mean, I could reach my arm out and touch the person. Do tell. Oh, I was in UNM and studying biochemistry and I wanted to be a med student. So I worked with a doctor called Dr. Levy, Out of Love List, Heart Center.

And he was really known as being the most, I don't know, like most respected. It's a hard one to equate, but like a very well known heart surgeon, Albuquerque. Great guy. And my wife at the time, and we're not together anymore, but like a very well-known heart surgeon, Albuquerque. Great guy. And my wife at the time, and we're not together anymore, but she worked in human resource for Loveless and knew him, and would get me in. So even on my undergrad, I could go in and watch it. And he met me once he met me.

I wasn't as young as other undergrads. And I was intensely passionate about learning this, because I thought that was what I wanted to go into. Sure. So he was just cool to have me there. And, you know, after 10, 20, 30 of them, you get very comfortable. He knows that I know where to stand and how to get out of the way. And just, there was an interesting energy in those rooms as well. It was fascinating because he would have oftentimes, you know, a medical resident that was, was kind of an interning under him.

Sure, Vincent. Yeah, doing that thing. So, you know, you see some mistakes, which is brutal to watch, because you're like, oh fuck, did you kill this person? Oh god. And then, this is how they learn, this is how they got to learn, you know, a choice. And then you also see just like how he would deal with things, how he would break up the tension, you know, he'd be like, hey, does anyone know this song on Pandora? And it would be like playing Pandora,

and just like keeping it light and everyone's playing their parts. And it's like super serious, because someone could die. But it's also very normalized, because they do it all the time. And it has to be, so you don't get overly stressed

with kind of the whole process. It just gives you like a fascinating insight into these crazy events that go on. It's just something you never think about. Did you throw up the first time or did you get nauseous the first time? No, the very first time I went in, he actually did talk about, if you feel sick or whatever then, you can just obviously leave. And like, I've seen people pass out and I was always calling it. Dude, I could eat like bolognese and watch that shit.

I guess. It's just like a thing to me though. I mean, as soon as I understood it was like, oh, this process that I want to understand and kind of see something pretty amazing happen. Right. But again, like I'm saying, I mean, they would have to crack the whole chest open.

They put the heart on bypass. And I'm not a doctor, so if I miss any stages, don't get upset with me. But don't be doing a heart-open heart surgery at home based on this podcast, guys. Dude, imagine if, imagine if, like, world now, for whatever reason, global warming takes off, everything blows up, all the electronics are done. Somehow the only remnants of technology is like our group of podcasts and someone is trying

to re-engineer a heart surgery of what I'm about to say. Oh my god, I just built an IKEA TV stand and I fucked it up and these... You always put something on backwards, it's so fucked. But anyway, they would have, so they have this machine that is kind of not many evil, but it's interesting. It just has all these pumps and twos, so you can see all the blood.

So the blood just goes around that, that's keeping the patient alive. The heart just goes flat like a balloon. And then they fill the cavity with ice because it needs to be that nice and cold. And then the anesthesiologist is there with like these you know, five or six like creamy, milky, white fluids that are called like propanol and these different things. And you know, sometimes they beep and he just flicks him with his finger because they kind of get locked up and that keeps him somewhat you know asleep while he checks his Facebook and and that's it they put you back together if things work and they were able to put the stint in and open the valve and you know then they saw you

back up and you got a you've got a scar from you know, then they sew you back up and you've got to you've got to scar from you know, your belly button to the top of your chest and thank God just alive. So I can hang. Dude. Wild man. Yeah. So the idea that we have all this science with stem cells and what we're able to do, which is what the hippies were saying forever is like just inject ship back into your system

and you work. You know, you you heal yourself. That's that's what's gonna cause us to look back on this other chopping into people. It's dark. And they're doing that with hemoglobin too. Your own hemoglobin. They'll extract it and then Iize it, do some shit. They put it in a machine and it goes, and then they put it back into it and it stimulates some cells or some shit like that. Again, if you're doing this at home,

I probably missed a step. But yeah, they use your own hemoglobin to create some cells. No, I think when you made that machine noise, I think you covered all the bits. You think I got it? Yeah, once they heard that, they'd be like, oh, that's a G-bit. They're like, I got that machine here.

The machine, they're like, they're like, Clara, get the boom machine. Yeah. I just needed to create, to fix my baldness. That's why. She's getting confused and using that blender. Oh my God. No, that would work.

That would totally be good. You got to put it on the crush setting. Oh, dear. Yeah. Not the grind setting. No, I was looking into this because I got in. I was marketing for hair loss center to use. Like, oh my God, I'm working with these guys that do stem cells.

And it's crazy. There's two companies he works with. And one, they just... Hey, real quick. Yeah. Keep this story going. I'm gonna pee and then I can walk away from the mic and pee. All right, very well.

I'm on it. I can, hey, you guys are on the phone. Oh, that's right. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, so anyway, buddy of mine, he comes in and he's like, I'm working for two types of companies. One, just injects stem cells directly into your head. And what it does is it doesn't stimulate your hair follicles because in male pattern baldness, what happens is

it's genetic and it works with your testosterone. And if you are predisposed to this genetic abnormality, when you have testosterone mixed with that, it causes your hair follicles to die. And your hair falls out. That's why propitia is such a successful hair loss drug because it inhibits your testosterone. So when it interacts with that gene, when testosterone interacts with that gene, it causes the hair follicle to die.

There's not enough testosterone to cause the hair follicle to die. That's why perpecious is so successful, except it has horrible sexual side effects because it's a one-size-fits-all drug. So with stem cells, it's not bringing those hair follicles to life, it's creating all new follicles, which I thought was absolutely fascinating. The only question I had, and I'm sure they have a phenomenal answer for it, is if you inject it

and you're getting new hair follicles but you're still going to lose the old hair follicles, they're going to still die from the testosterone to you have to go back. He seemed to think one or two treatments would do it. Now that'll run you for to a grant. There's the other one that's a little cheaper where they synthesize the stem cells from your hemoglobin. They extract your own hemoglobin, synthesize it and inject it back in.

I don't think the success rate is as high, but it's also less risk financially. So that's how I kind of learned about these stem cells because I might be losing my hair on the top. You want to keep, you would inject some shit into your head? Yeah, yeah, yeah, why not right if it was available. Yeah, I mean I kind of want to do all the stages though I think I have a weird Idea of like how I look like I don't give a fuck. I don't want to like if I start going but I'll just shave my head

You look like a good bad ass. I might look okay with a shaved head. I don't know. I think people would think I'm a Nazi if I was shaved head. Yeah, they might. They might. I don't know, but it's not gonna matter. Like I am not that. So I think I'm just so white that I,

that people, like, you know, tan people with shaved heads look great. Why I think the shaved heads look bad. Yeah, I think I'd look like a professor. Hmm, but yeah, I'm just willing to do the stages now. I think in my 20s I would have cared more. I don't give a fuck. I didn't care that much then. I didn't care about the clothes.

Even when I wear nice clothes out to a place, I'm just like, none of this shit's uncomfortable. I always say to my girlfriend, I'm like like none of this shit's uncomfortable. I always say it to my girlfriend I'm like I cannot do a spinning kick in this and she's like why? Her name do you need to do that? I'm like you might need to you might do that and she thinks she thinks I'm being funny I'm serious I'm serious. I know you're serious and those listening at home know your serious as well listening at home, knowing you're serious as well. Yeah, as I fall over, because I never knew how to do a good one anyway. It's like nice try.

That's the perfect excuse. I would have totally taken this dude out, but I was in a suit and I can't do a spin kick in my suit. Oh yeah, I'm so sucked. So crime was allowed to fester in this part of the suit. Well, I think we've added to the science debate, as as Joe and Alonzo with the same sort of scientific knowledge. I agree. We've waited in. You've got a lot of scientific knowledge, sir. I don't know. I went to the medical school of scrubs and grazing anatomy in a little bit of house MD.

Oh, I got you. I got you. It fascinates me, though. I think it's cool. I mean, saying that it's funny. Joe has way more experience for stem cells than I do. You sure he knows. Yeah, I'm sure he knows more than I do. I don't know. Well, I read some things, but I've never experienced them and I'm really fascinated with how they work. Yeah, and that's what we look like. So we don't get caught up on this. Right. Let's get to something that is really far more interesting to both of us. Alonzo talks about, obviously the first time he met Joe. And I loved it because again, it's one of those things.

This is, you know, it's easy for people to be like, oh, Joe is super nice now, he's super famous all this. But back in the day, he wasn't. He was just, he just got news radio, you know. And he was getting gigs. you know, people kind of knew who he was, but he was very young. But he was always good to know any comic that he liked that he wanted to hang out with. Alonzo was one. And they went up to the Montreal Comedy Festival in the 90s, which God damn Mark, hopefully we get to do that. We will. One day I'm sure we will.

But here's the lessons, right? This is this is the shit that I like to talk about. It's not like just a review of, oh, this is what they said, but also what do I take away from this? And when he said, look, he found people he liked and he knew he could get booked and he took them with him and he encouraged them. Like there was never, I don don't I just don't get the feeling that he was ever the guy There was like look it's cool that you do well, but I've got to make sure that I do weller than you The most well list Like no, he's he's saying look you're good. You need exposure like come out do this You're good. You need exposure like come out do this Yeah, it's really fucking cool. He never seems to let people down

It's not like anyone comes back years later and they're like well, he was cool for a bit, but then he was a bit of a dick Well, he also was doing pretty well already and I think he had confidence too He's like I'm good. He's like there's no reason You know John Calipari coach at the University of Kentucky Wildcats has this famous phrase, is that everybody eats and I love that. Everybody eats. And what it means is all those players get playing time. The best ones, you know, if you're on the team and you were good enough to play, you get to play. And that means, you know, one guy, you know, Anthony Davis, who was like the number one pick, one of the best NBA players that even exists today. He was like, was fourth in scoring,

or maybe even fifth in scoring, but he was like, everybody eats. And I love that philosophy, and it's kind of the same thing with Joe. He's like, everybody eats. You guys are good, you're coming with me. You get to, you get to what can do this too, because I'm fine, I know I'm good.

I'm not worried about it, let's spread the love. Yeah, I mean, Joe talks about it. It's like the feast of famine. And yeah. And it's easy to assume that there's only so much food to go around because because scarcity exists in the sense of finite resources. Well, you know, there's only so many stakes in the world. Can everyone eat one? But I don't know, here's the thing, when it comes to something like stand up, or something that you're pursuing well, maybe people want it and they don't even know. So it's more about just getting the information to them so everyone can choose, and that's only supported by the fact that the comedy store has sold out every fucking night now. Right. It's like people have always wanted great stand-up. They just didn't know where to go, where it was, how it worked,

whether it was consistent, whether there were enough people, and now it's there. So I think what it is is the idea of these untapped, infinite gold mines. And once you're in there, you don't need to be selfish with the gold that you're picking up. No. You just need to point it to other people.

They're gonna love you forever and everyone's coveting gold. Exactly. It's true. That seems like a beautiful way of doing it. And I don't know comics are like that. That's for sure, but Joe is, that's cool. know, not all comics are like that. That's for sure, but Joe is. And that's cool. Well, not many people are like that. So it's a hard thing to remember, but I love hearing these guys that have done really well and a lot of them. I think if you're in

the comedy store world and community, which you know, I'm speaking out of terms, I don't really know, but just from the podcast I've heard and the many, many hours of it, it's like, yeah, you've got to be someone that we want to hang out with. Like it's just wanting to be hilarious. That's really important, but it's like, you know, what are you bringing to the community? You got to hang. Yeah, you've got to be fun. And love how they really push that stuff around. Yep. You know, it's beautiful. Another thing that's interesting is they brought a Michepurg, right?

A Michepurg was obviously a legend to the one-liner guy and he said that, look, I'm a comedian, so now you want me to be an actor or a writer. Right. And it was always this big like question mark, bloop. And I think with him it stood out more than maybe other people. One because he was really big before he passed away, before he died. And but not just that, it was like when you're a one-line joke writer, you're not necessarily going to be a very good writer in the sense of making a show because that's a very difficult

show to make. Mm-hmm. You're not really writing skits. Writing jokes is very different than writing sketches or story. And he was never going to be an actor. Right. Right. That was not his thing. Some people just want to be comics. But the all three of those things in so many ways are different.

I know there are people that cross over. And I think that's why they're like, no, no, you can do it too. You just got to try and do it. But if anything, it's almost polar opposites between actors and comedians. Very much so. Well, that's why I think a lot of the times you see a lot of these comedians. A lot of them were just doing their bits on these shows.

Stephen Wright, he would be on Matt about you. He was just the guy he did on stage. Like they just got him to do exactly what he made him funny on stage. There was no effort to give him an arc or to add to his character. They're like, just be as funny as you are on stage. And you see that a lot of times with comics.

Like Mark Marin, there's no daylight between Mark Marin the comic and Mark Marin the actor. Like he's just bringing his Mark Marinness to the role. That's wonderful and he's really good at it. I'm not saying Mark Marin is a really good actor because I actually think he's an excellent actor on Glow and his show before that that was on IFC. But there's no there's no stretching there. Nobody's trying to get Mark Maren to play Salieri and Amadeus or anything like that. That's just Mark Maren, you know what I mean?

Yeah, and I think that's the key. I think that, and that's when you get the best out of comics, like, look at Robin Williams. His best movies will end, you got Robin Williams out of the pot. And it was like, this is who this lunatic was. Jim Carrey is same way. Yeah, you can move him a little bit. But I mean, it wasn't until he started doing like horror movies. Everyone's like, what the fuck is this?

I know. The fuck out of here. And this double-edged sword is wanting to stretch yourself as an artist, but you've made your...you've become niche in terms of like what you do well and then broadening your horizons. That can be sometimes difficult for an audience. It's just it. They want to be. Maybe.

Yeah, maybe, but maybe they, maybe they forgot what they were wanting to do in the first place. A lot of times you've got to, yeah, I mean, mean yeah, I can or you make them believe you can do something else Hmm you redefine yourself to happen What do you know about the ice house? They talked a bit about the ice house on this podcast I know you never perform there. No, I've had opportunity to do bring your shows there But that's hard because all my friends are like on the west side And that's a Pasadena and that's just yeah, it's tough enough getting people to come out to the comedy store Which is the biggest comedy club on earth?

It is the mecca and it's like it's a kind of a no small feat to perform there And it still give difficult to get people so to have people To get bring your shows, and for those of you listening who don't know what a bringer show is, is basically, you get on stage if you bring X amount of people. So they say you got to have six people. Or you just buy six tickets and then you're out.

But then it's kind of a pay the play. And that can be, I mean, you don't want to do that, especially if you're performing a lot, you just can't afford it. So Pasadena is, to give you guys an example, it's about 20 miles away from where I am, more like 25, 30 miles from where you are. Yeah.

And all our friends are in this area, I have a few friends over on kind of the East Side of Los Angeles, but I can't bet that they're going to come every time. And I don't want to leave a bad impression either. So I just haven't jumped at the opportunity to do it because it's really goddamn stressful. And I'm like, my energy should be towards my set, not stressing out about getting, making sure enough people come to my show.

Yeah, I got you. Well, you're in a weird spot because you're doing you know fairly legit pro shows Almost all the time with a limited Social media in the sense of you know, you can't just post something and people you don't even know show up Which is take so much pressure off you have to get people to come and you maybe you could get People a couple of times for the ice house if you pushed to get people to come and maybe you could get people a couple of times for the ice house, if you pushed it, you're like, listen, this is for when you're really pushed. You know, you know, I'd be out and blah, blah, blah, people come.

But doing it every month would become more of a headache than the startup portion. And it's the weird points in stand-up comedy too when you're learning to give an idea of how difficult things are. Oh, and real quick, people, if you have friends that do stand- comedy too when you're learning to give an idea of how difficult things are. Oh, and real quick, people, if you have friends that do stand up comedy and you like them at all, and it's not too much of an asshole, like, I mean, pain in the ass to go out and fucking go to their show, try and do it. Do it, man. Because, yeah, just do it, because they can't do this without you, and it's hard enough.

Do you gonna have to spoil it? And, dude, I'm telling you, it's's not gonna be the worst thing you could be doing with your time. Like, it's still gonna be worth it. It's still fun there. It's a bit of an effort, but there's a lot of stupid shit. When I hear how many people go to movies that are absolute garbage, and they're like, yeah, I went there and I took my girlfriend and we took one of our kids and it was this popcorn and it still came to like 80 bucks I was like, oh my god, you could have done you could have done so much more

I've got to see some good comments. The cool thing about doing the shows I'm I've been doing is like You know there's a couple comics in there that they're gonna be successful. There's a couple in there. There's one my friend Jess She is and they're gonna be successful. There's a couple in there. There's one my friend Jess. She is an epic hustler. She's like in some NBC universe, like competition in New York right now. She just made the semi-finals. She and they make, she's been doing this half a year,

but she's funny and she's got interesting material. She's a lesbian and she talks about being a lesbian and dating a straight girl and things like that And she's a great fucking comedian and even better person Justin Sara and she doing so well and it's like she I did two shows with her I didn't get to see her set the first time because the show was sold out and they made the comics get out So I'm just hanging out in the back of a comedy store, saw Hannibal Burass and I was like, oh this isn't the worst thing ever. I didn't even, you were telling me how great she was and then I saw her the next time and then like she and I hung out like a week later and we've

been tired ever since because it's fucking cool last broad and we still message and shit and I'm so fucking proud of her. She's awesome. She's very funny that chick is her funny and unbelievably intelligent and She's gonna I mean but she's gonna make this happen like she is she is driven She's gonna make this happen. You could have seen it for 10 bucks. I could have seen it for 10 bucks You'd be like oh my god. I saw her but she was just starting out. She was awesome and there's other comics like that, man There's a ghosty those shows those are cool. So especially the comedy store. I see those shows

This is gonna be a lot of you. Yes. Feel us. Yeah, feel us. Well, I mean, this is just like the next guest So any letterman So I didn't know a ton about her Yeah, until she popped up but she's at the comedy store all the time. There's plenty of stuff you can watch, but then when you listen to the podcast, she's coming from interesting stories, you know, directions of life that, to be honest, if somebody was like, how exactly do you want your life to go? And people like get married, pick a fence, parents love me, get a good

job, make good money, retire young, you know, take care of my family, this is, that's the path. Not to say everyone wants that, but I mean we're talking if you got to play your video game person, that's where it's at. Well, Annie didn't have that life. She had a crazy one. And like Joe says, so often, like most of the best comics I know had fucked up lives. I mean, that's what makes him interesting. Pain is comedy. Pain is funny. It kind of is. So it's bittersweet that the first one of the first things she brought up was Brody, right? Brody, Stephen's in his death and you know he committed suicide and she was sad that she just she was just like God it just the idea that that he couldn't feel all the love you know enough to not have that happen And I don't know who else is at like Mark and I at the place we

worked we had a suicide last year from a person that we cared about as well. And I worked with him, you know, intimately and would even talk to him about some of these things. You could see his pain. It's hard. It's hard. Yeah, it sticks with you. It sticks with you. You know, you just wish that you could say something else like fuck like dude It's it's hard to get through to people and sometimes you don't know their pain And I think other people like the fact that Annie even brought it up is like she's had these types of pains to some degree Yeah, and she and she feels for people like that and dude man

seventh grade I almost threw myself out of window When I was yeah middle school it was um I was heading xionny I the pressure of school and like I was a kind of a meek sweet kid so a lot of bullies a lot of getting picked on and there was one day that it and it was and It's really true. I thought this is never gonna get better This is all I have to look forward to and I didn't want to do it anymore my mom caught me

I mean she caught me about to do it. She stopped me. And it's so funny, she was like, you idiot. She was like, you would have only broken your leg. I was like, I was going out head first. And I, and the look on her face when I said that. Because she was like, oh my Christ, my son is serious about this. And it was. Wow. Absolutely serious. And, oh, I feel, to this day, I feel horrible because, like, when I saw therapists and all that stuff, my parents were not well off as it were, and now they're worried about their oldest

son trying to kill himself because he's so upset. But I remember that, I will vividly remember that. I'm a very well-balanced person, I think, now I'm very happy person, very content, really love my life, everything is going really well. But I remember those days, even though it was a kid, that's probably even harder for kids, because just emotions are pumping through and you have zero skills on how to deal with them. But I remember that, I remember thinking, I don't think this gets better.

And that's a horribly dark place to be and imagine when you're an adult who have all the skills and abilities to cope with it and it's still that bad. What's fucked, isn't it? Because you think that, you think that these things will be unveiled to you as you age and that's not really how it is. It's like all these stages feel just as real. You could be 16 and break up with your girlfriend and it is as traumatic as anything you

could ever experience because the emotion is real. But then you get no sympathy from mostly everyone because they're like, oh, listen, kid, it gets way tougher than this. Yeah, that's true That's true, but you can only deal with what you know how to deal with at any given time the scary thing I think is when it gets into adulthood and Joe talks about Antony Bull day Yeah, and how that is his friend and he had money and he had access to everyone in the world and was respected and but people love that guy And what an incredible dude and still did that as well. Yep. So it's like wow It's like where is the safety? You know, it's not just a thing about like being a kid and moving away from it. It's that

I don't know any sensitive fuck it. They talk about I don't know if you heard you remember this bit of the podcast, but they were they were talking about How these there's this video they played of these like quote-unquote super woke kids like university kids Talking to each other about you know calling each other comrade about calling each other comrade. And then they're saying, this is how we're going to conduct this forum blah, blah, blah. And then somebody puts their hand up and they're like, I just want you to know that I am one of those individuals that's very sensitive to movement. And there's a lot of chatter and a lot of moving and it's making it very difficult for me to

Like concentrate so if everyone could stop moving right now and in chattering that would be great So I could concentrate sure and they were like understood Thank you calm rad and then someone else Ask the question and they were like can you not use these gender pronouns? Because I'm feeling threatened and I'm just like and they were like, can you not use these gender pronouns? Because I'm feeling threatened. And I'm just like, I'm trying to be sympathetic, but what the fuck is going on in that room? Here's the, I mean, there's a difference

between supporting someone, supporting someone emotionally and being there for someone versus the idea that sometimes if you're the caterpillar you got a fucking burst through that cocoon to become the fucking butterfly and I feel like we as a society have reached critical mass on this question versus the idea of supporting people and their needs and their wants and their feelings versus also understanding that sometimes you have to fight through those things to be stronger on the other side and to be able to develop skills to interact in modern day life.

So if someone is like, yo, all this movement, it's very difficult and distracting and I appreciate that they want to be Consider it to that but at the same time, dude, the world Is this shit? Like I'm sorry we use gender pronouns the world uses gender pronouns That is not to say that we shouldn't respect someone who asked to be referred to in a specific way because that is their specific request. So if they prefer the gender pronoun of they or and forgive me I'm just not as woke on the subject. It's not but like if somebody if they're trans and they prefer her even they they identify as a her, so they prefer her, or they prefer, I don't know, it's, that's probably not a thing, but like, you know, I

don't even know, you can respect that request, but the world moves on as it is, and it's advisable to begin to understand and to deal in that world, because that's how it is. Now we can always work to change it, but you also have to understand that this is the world we live in and not everybody has to accommodate to everyone's requests. I don't know, I feel like I'm rambling, but at the same time, it's like there is a fine line between someone and also understanding is like, you know, sometimes you've got to hit a couple fastballs. You can't just be good. Honestly, man. Yeah, somebody I take Joe stand on this if somebody's like, you know, call me, I'm like, all right. Cool. You don't need to tell me once, but don't get pissed if I didn't check first

because I'm not checking. I'm sorry. Not yet. It's not coming up enough to where I need to be like, oh by the way, dude, it's hard enough for me to remember people's names. But if somebody is like, do you mind just saying this to me? And I already think that you're like, like, reasonable enough for me to talk to. Like, and therefore I enjoy chatting with you. And listen, I'm not saying I need to enjoy chatting to everyone that wants a different pronoun, whatever.

But like if I do, I'm not going to disrespect you after that. I'd be like, cool, that's your thing. Exactly. But if then you raise your hand in the middle of us all hanging out and be like, your hand movements are too aggressive and masculine. I'm just going to be like, listen, listen, kid. Stop. Okay.

Stop. You need to grow the fuck up. Because life just is a bit scarier than that. I hate to say it, it's just a bit scarier than that. And this is when Joe ends that podcast, which I thought was beautiful, talking to Annie about the reach of the podcast, right? So I said, look, I've seen this happen to you.

Guys come up to you and they lose their ability to communicate because they see, they've listened to Joe forever and they hold them on a pedestal and it's like they've learned so much. They don't even know what to do. What's interesting, by the way, Joe talks about it is he's like, it's just my job. It's just a thing. Yeah. To try and stay as ground as I can. So to be honest, it's as weird for me to see them be weird is it is for me to deal with it. But I don't, I'm not going to pretend like that's normal. Like I'm going to be like, dude, you good?

Just breathe. And but the lessons there are like why people really connect. And it's one of the few times he's really talked about it. And he goes, you know, people, people don't have a lot of guidance. They don't always know which way to turn and they also, even when good knowledge is given to them, if it's not coming from the right person, they're not listening. So in so many ways, if there was like an ignorance meter of like ignorant people and it doesn't exist, but let's say there was, I would bet and when I say ignorance it's like we're not talking about smart people getting smarter universities have done that for a long time

okay smart people have got smarter because they were smart and they wanted to learn and they learn more right how do you get that how do you get the dumb people to learn I think that's what Joe Rogan has done yeah I think he has opened the door for like, people that generally weren't willing to listen to things to be like, oh, not a minute. Would you just say about weed? Because I do a lot of push ups, bro. Yeah.

And that's not cool for me. Well, he's an avenue. That's for losers. And he's like, well, maybe it's not. So maybe try it and do push ups. The only business class I ever took in college, and they talked about avenues in. How do you get people in? How do you get people in how do you get people

Into by the products I call it avenue in Joe is an avenue in because he's a man's man that talks about Snowflake liberal pussy shit and people go okay interesting Let's all right. I'll listen to this cuz Joe's talking about it. Joe's a man man. Joe's a man's man He's ripped because of UFC hunts. Oh, but he's talking about a universal health care. Joe's a man man, Joe's a man's man's, he's ripped, does a UFC, hunts. Oh, but he's talking about a universal health care. That's interesting. All right. Maybe we should, maybe I should listen to this guy. Yeah. It works well. Yeah. If you have, if you have a friend that you respect a lot, and it's, it's a masculine, strong energy friend, maybe a mentor of sorts. And they talk to you about an issue you have quickly dismissed in your life because you

think it's bullshit and it's weak and it's whatever. It like you think that somehow, even by thinking about it and talking about it, it takes away from the strength that you're trying to create for yourself, then you know, you become dismissive. But when someone's willing to talk about it and they have the strength that you feel you want, you're like, oh, this is a fucking avenue. This is a way of thinking. We could, we can listen to this. And I love that he ended on that because it was the complete separation from that fucking bullshit meeting which to be honest was is not changing many people's minds at all. Those meetings are just like what the fuck are we doing here people? Right I don't know. I don't think it's persuasive. I don't

think that the net good that comes out of those things is all that useful. I think it's a bunch of lost little children. A lot of echo chamber. Dude, they're having a bit of a tantrum. I don't know why else there is too. You know, there are also kids. I don't know. People beat up on kids a lot too. I'm like, they're just learning their way.

Everybody gets their... I'd love to say this. I even said this in college. Everybody has their pet project, their activist project, their cause, if you will, in college. And then you get into the real world and you're like, I don't have time for causes, I gotta make money. I gotta put food on the plate. So, you know, and they're kids, and I think these are important things for them in development. And, you know, support versus solutions.

Do we solve the problem for them? Do we support them figuring solve the problem for them or do we support them figuring out the solution for themselves and it's 50-50 on that but they're learning this shit and some of them are gonna go one way some of them are gonna go another but I feel like it's important that this is the way they're learning that shit right now and they'll get to hear very opinions from people, guys like us, guys that are more sensitive, guys that are less sensitive than us, and they ultimately forge their own

path. And this is just part of that. And then, you know, that's why my girlfriend and I ever talk about friends of ours, especially anybody that we know that's younger going through something. And I'm like, it's part of it. They'll be okay, this is how they learn. These are, I feel like I've reached that age now where I'm like, I'm not solving these problems anymore. They'll figure it out. It's okay, it's okay. Sometimes the pain and the struggle is important

because it makes us stronger in the end. It doesn't, it doesn't hurt us in the long run. It's not, and I'm talking about normal everyday life stuff, not like traumatic events. Yeah. These are important things and you figure it out. I mean, shit, I think back to when I was 30 and how I didn't know anything.

I feel like at 40, I am only just barely scratching the surface. At least it was like, I just know enough to now know that I don't know that much versus 30s I was like a what I don't even know how to do my taxes So yeah, and yeah, and these kids think they know everything of course, and then the one day they'll realize they don't Yeah, cuz all kids think they know everything Yeah, it's but it just seems like people are being forced to listen to them way more than they ever were before. Probably. And that's not good. Because I think what you

just highlighted is that that time of your life is like, no, you're figuring it out, but you shouldn't be listened to. Not that much. No, you should not be taken seriously by much older people. I hate to say it. because you're just you're forming your way. Ever lived. Yeah, you can you get there. You're looking. Who knows? Right.

The last bit of this, MMA 74, when it we're always going to, we're going to kind of cruise over the MMA ones a little bit, um, only because really that kind of opinion pieces pieces but there are a lot of just fight news and it's very specific. So I do understand that not a ton of people listening of that into it. I really like it though. So if you listen to my podcast, you've got to put up with it because I'm into it. But I am cognizant of the fact that it's not for everyone. So Brennan Sharp, good friend of Joe's, you have XUFC fighter, just had an hour comedy special on Showtime, mixed reviews, he jumped in maybe a little bit too soon, but I've seen him alive plenty of times. He's a legit comic and really just quite a fascinating dude.

A big podcast, the two. So it comes on talking about Colby Covington. Now Colby, Mark, is a UFC, I think he is the, shit, I don't want to get this wrong, the Bantamweight Champion. He's a light, lighter weight champion. He just beat Robbie Lawler. Five rounds crushed him.

Colby is a beast. Like he's kind of where... McGregor would be fighting right now. And he's also the type of champion where people want him to lose. And he's kind of banking on that. He's kind of building that Maywe the type of champion where people want him to lose and he's kind of banking on that He's kind of building that may weather type of energy where it's like he can get massive not as the people's champ But as the people's enemy and that's pretty fascinating Mm-hmm

And he's a beast. He's an absolute beast. He's a cardio machine. I mean what Robbie Lawler He's a cardio machine. I mean, what Robbie Lola is a very scary looking dude. He almost has this bit of a Neanderthal if thing going on. My apologies, Robbie. Big forehead. Fights to the death. He's just a mean beast of a man. But a nice dude.

And he's four in the UFC for so long. To watch him get squashed by Colby was really exciting and I love to get I love to get the talk back from Brendan about that and also what is kind of opening up for him in the UFC. A weird thing is happening in the UFC right now too marked because it's getting so massive now it's on ESPN. That it's creating almost like a life of its own that even the fighters don't know how to focus on. I think it's not just like it was. It's not just like, oh, I'm going to be the next Conor McGregor, but I'm not just going to be the next champion, I'm going to be the next Conor McGregor. I'm not going to be the next champion.

I'm going to be the next Ronda Rousey. Right, right, right. Like, you know, it's like when people go into the NBA, they want to be the next Michael Jordan. It's not just about being the best player, but they didn't have this avenue before. Right. And now, in the weirdest way, the UFC has made some of the biggest athletes ever.

There's definitely an argument with that with Connor. Oh for sure. I don't even know anything about MMA. I can barely spell it, but I know Connor's good. Yeah. I mean, Connor McGregor is, and you know there be more. Once you get one, you get more. Absolutely. So it changes the dynamic, and it's fun for me because I've watched this shit on and off since 94 since the beginning. Oh shit. Nobody took this shit seriously till really I would say till like 2005. Chocolate Dell, T2L T2.

Yeah, I remember I was on set with some guy and he started talking to me about this and I was like, I don't know what you're talking about, but I remember those two names. Chocolate Dell and T2L T2L T2L. There we go. And that, but I remember those two names, Chuck Lodone, two to or two. There we go. And that's why I picked those points. I'm sure there's others, but I mean, to see where it is now is just so beautiful to kind of get that energy. And it's kind of ironic that I do this, and it's about Joe's podcast, because Joe wouldn't

have had to have been on the UFC at all for me to have the like it would still be my sport. Right. It just would. It's just fucking brilliant that he is too because he was so good early on. Even way before I did you get to it, if like trying to help you understand what the fuck was happening. Because I used to watch Strike Force and Pride and the other elite XC, these are other fight divisions. And they would have commentators that were more like just regular like, I am looking at him and here he is and this is what he's doing. But they weren't fighters, they were just commentators. They're interesting voices, but they didn't really know

The intricacies of what the fuck was going on when two giant guys have just squashed each other on the ground and everyone's wondering Why is nothing happening? Why are you not punching each other? Stand them up. Let's get to the action. I'm I'm used to fucking Arnold Schwarzenegger movies. Let's go of course But then when when you get somebody that really knows the intricacies of Jiu-Jitsu, and then he's like, oh, he's hooked his leg, and what you're seeing here is he's gonna put his right leg over here, and it's left leg this way, and he's gonna try and move to that mount,

and that completely stops him doing anything, then he's completely held up, and he can grab the wrist and go for a camora, and then you're like, oh my god, I think I know for a camora and then you're like oh my god I think I know what a camora is obviously don't right obviously you don't take your train but it helps a little bit right it's almost like when you watch one of those documentaries on Netflix that talk about Einstein's theory of relativity you don't know shit about relativity by the end of it. You know what? You can tell a story to someone else. You can sit there, eat potato chips and be like,

well, obviously time was an issue and then space and then they bend and you know stuff. You've got, it just kind of puts a bit of like a basic picture together. And that made the parts of the commentary and him in the sport really fascinating. And again, it's no luck that UFC became the biggest of all of those, because I always thought pride was the best early on. Right, I remember pride fighting. They had better fighters, they had crazier shit going on.

It just was like they, it was more intense. But I think that it had some certain aspects that were missing. Like Dana White was, it has always been a fucking crazy asshole. And not an asshole. Like he's a great guy I've met him before. But I just mean crazy in the sense of like,

he knew what he wanted, no apologies. He pushed forward, he was a big kind of celebrity end for his sports. And you're a sports guy, right? So when it comes to like nobody owns the NBA, right? Nobody owns the NFL, just own teams. Well, how is it different than Dana White is like the face, the voice, the president of UFC? Are there like equivalent people in other sports or not really? Well, I mean, you have commissioners. So, you know, you have commissioners, baseball, football, basketball, they don't really, they don't own it. I'm not even sure if they're publicly traded companies.

I imagine. I mean, shit until a couple of years ago, the NFL was a nonprofit. It was considered nonprofit. And it was Gidele that wanted to, I think that's his name, forgive me if I'm wrong. I don't like football, but I know enough about it. They didn't want to disclose what he made. You have to when it's nonprofits. So I think that's why they went. Because he makes like 50 million gets a private jet. So that's your kind of your equivalent, but they set agendas. They set things for the sport.

But you know, or you have associations like tennis, that's an association. So you can say joke of it or Federer or Serena Williams is the face of it, they're not gonna have it. No, but they just, they just act as within it. That's like saying, Gregor would be exactly for UFC, but he's not. Exactly.

And he's who's behind the scenes, and that's what really drove it, because there's two people, Joe Rogan and Dana White, and they've been very vocal and very outspoken, and very much them, and they've stuck to their principles. I mean, you know, people used to get Dana White and they'd be very vocal and very outspoken and very much them and they've stuck to their principles I mean, you know people used to get Dana White a hard time early on that Joe Rogan was such an open advocate for marijuana And they used to say things like hey Dana, you need to stop Joe talking about marijuana because he represents your sport You know, it's funny about that you know the biggest sponsor to the UFC is right now a fucking week company

So suck my balls suck my balls, man And that's why when people tell you look you can't do this today shit changes. Maybe you can do it tomorrow I do today, so they let you do it tomorrow. Yeah, fuck yeah Right, and this is why we get wild animals in the sport and they need to apologize. Take John Jones for example. John Jones, light heavyweight champ, no undefeated. No one's ever beat him. He got a no contest. No, he got a, he got a, uh, this qualification against Mark Hammer,

bullshit. He was beating the shit out of him. And I, I think he did some sort of like a legal elbow and they took him out They're trying to get no contest on that one. We'll get it dismissed But the fact is best of all time wild animal. Yeah, dude the guy is like I've met him a few times Great guy super nice used to train at east side Gracie in New Mexico in Albuquerque where I used to train used to come, no guis on Friday, do some real damage. I couldn't train in there with him,

but it was just for high level guys, so you could watch. A beast, just done coke with my old roommate, so the room is about him, partying is true, but you know what? It's the fact that like, you're the baddest motherfucker on the planet. Sure. No one in your professional career is ever beat you

and God damn is never even come close. What does that mean? They expect you to go to church every Sunday? Get the fuck out of here. You're a warrior. Exactly. You're a warrior. You were a warrior on another level

and you have to live in a society where people are having meetings, where they get upset about the gender pronouns being used. Like, of course, you're not gonna entirely fit in. Right. Some soft bitches out there that are not gonna like the way that you kind of, you know, hold yourself up, but I think overall, he's doing fine.

Just done a few fucked up things. I think he kind of, I think he like hit and run a pregnant woman. Oh yeah, that's cool. Yeah, that one's bad, That one's bad. That's not bad. Don't do that guys But he didn't run up to a puncher and run away. That's not what I mean sure That's not a hit it was in a car Is not ideal, okay, he's a wild man. He's a wild man, you know, but Okay, he's a wild man. He's a wild man, you know, but

This sport is full of wild people. So you gotta have someone like Dana White in the head of it like slapping these assholes into And like he's got to make some sense out of what they're doing. Well sure they're gonna be running a mark They are well. I mean this that sport doesn't lend itself to the mild-mannered Soft nature of human beings that doesn't you itself to the mild-mannered soft nature of human beings. That doesn't, you're not going to do that. That's just not how it's going to be. Sorry. And, but he has to be free. He has to be wild and free and be who he needs to be.

And this is the perfect transition onto the last part of their podcast where Joe described what it was like working with Dave Chappelle over the past couple of weeks at their massive shows. Now, have you seen some of the video from any of these shows? No, I love it. There's just little snippets on Instagram. Dude, these fucking stadiums. Yeah. Dude. Right? snippets on on Instagram dude these fucking stadiums yeah dude dude right so as far as I know Ian Edwards was opening for them and then it was

Chappelle and and Rogan or whatever order maybe Joe went first then Chappelle I don't think Joe would care he's not gonna get all you go about it and Chappelle is sorry Joe Chappelle's Chappelle's the goat He's the goat. Sorry. He's the goat man. So, you know, they just talk about this like it's fucking I Think it's like breaking record attendance for comedy. I'm not 100% sure. I believe it What does this mean for comedy? That it's now into these new ashulans? Like, it's as big as a rock band.

Like, what's bigger than that? I think you're absolutely right. And it's interesting, because I feel like stand-ups have kind of a renaissance lately. I feel like, especially with a lot of the Netflix specials coming out, and it's a lot in your face. You've got a lot of big comics coming up. I feel like it's just another medium that's blowing up. That's what I think it is. I think Shepel coming back certainly helps. That dude was gone for 10 years. And he is. He's the greatest of all time and

So I mean it's kind of it's a little bit like Beatles getting back together a type of thing. I mean he was he was the greatest and he's coming back and doing it And I love all his Netflix specials some people I read some bullshit critical stuff. He's like eat a dick Those were great. Those are fucking hysterical And I feel I feel like that's part of it definitely he's got a lot of stadiums especially him Rogan get out of town of course they come on I mean people want to see that I mean with Eddie Murphy coming back and you know Eddie and Chappelle must have some sort of connection because Charlie Murphy was on Chappelle,

showing those fucking stories. I mean imagine you've got Eddie and Chappelle on stage. Charlie's passed away, but now Eddie is recounting the Rick James story to Chappelle in like a Q&A. I would just fucking jizzle with myself. But those are, but think about that and we also live in a kind of a, we live in a world where we're very disconnected technologies in our lives. It's everywhere and I think we assume being is long for connection and I think that's just another avenue. We're trying to get out.

We're trying to see things up front, have experiences, things like that and these are the greats. An emurphy that. And these are the greats. An emurphi and dives up all the greats. That's going to attract a shit ton of people that want that experience. I mean, I have a friend that goes to a music festival of your damn weekend and puts her phone away. And it's because she wants that goddamn experience.

They people were longing for that. They're searching for that. I think this is just yet another avenue. No, you're right. Listen to this bull ass shit then. So Dave, I mean Joe talks about they finished up, right? So we've just done a stadium with Dave Chappelle. They leave and they're like, what are we doing now? Because Joe's ready to hang out, see what's going on.'s like oh I've rented out this movie third so they go over there they've does some shrooms they watch once upon a time in Hollywood they have the whole theater themselves they're just fucking drinking and laughing and watching this movie and then dude they just full on

into it and his whole group has, we're talking like IVs for the, you know, getting over being hungover. They've got like the full nutritional pack IV situation. I mean, they are rolling deep. Dude, they're fucking crazy. That's a wild crazy and amazing. And now we're getting all this comedy, you know, and it's a, it's only a wave of goodness. Like you can't, you can't understate it, overstate it, whatever. It's like, look, this isn't just laughing. This is so important for us, all of us.

And to get these legends back, like there's a reason Eddie Murphy's come back and to say that, to say that to say that the Renaissance man yeah but to say that she pells specials haven't encouraged them is like that's you know this in January oh they're sure they have what else nothing got him moving for fucking how many years almost 40 years Special 84 Yeah, absolutely 86 maybe 87. Yeah, never mind my entire life My entire life and and now he's back and god damn it. I can't wait for Eddie We don't know if if she fell is gonna be on Rogan anytime soon. I a friend of mine had a sighting of him in Santa Monica last week. I posted it

I don't you know I thought that it was because maybe he went by the compound because I don't know why I'll see be out here At least in Santa Monica. I mean, there's a lot of other reasons of course But he was a nurse but he was just performing with Joe and you know after you do a bunch of stadiums Unless you have to do TV you're probably gonna go home and he lives in Ohio So I felt like maybe he got dragged out just to be like okay, I'll do the podcast and but who knows but either way Big things are happening there and you know are we're staying on top of it as much as we can Eight of the ground, you know, let's see what happens

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