Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - Joe Rogan Experience Review episode 171

Episode Date: August 18, 2019

Some of the audio is a bit shit on this one fellas. My apologies. I'll get it fixed!   This weeks review is all comedy with Tom Papa 1333, Fahim Anwar 1334 and Jim Gaffigan 1335. It's great when Joe has these heavily stacked Comedian weeks as we here think they are the most interesting people to listen to.. Tom is happy with his bread as always.. Fahim say goodbye to Boeing and Jim releases his new special to Amazon for some major cash!!   Enjoy my review folks! Follow me on Instagram at www.instagram.com/joeroganexperiencereview Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6ilK4Zrqk2ZeowbOo7pXgw? Please email me here with any suggestions and questions for future shows..

Hello and welcome to another episode of the JRE review. A great week for comedy to review. This is really the best thing for Mark and I to get talking about. We can't love comedy more. Joining me is always Mark. How you doing, buddy? Greetings! I'm good. How are you? Yeah, not too bad. Not too bad at all.

Full of rebel, which is disgusting and shouldn't be drunk, but my god, when you do need to get energy for a podcast, it is the way. It's true. I'm fairly certain my cat has a cocaine problem because he's decided every morning around 3, between 3.m. That he will do Suicides in our apartment just running back and forth or eat my girlfriend's hair Wow, that definitely sounds like cocaine. Well, that's what I do when I'm on cocaine. I run suicide My girlfriend's hair eat your girlfriend's head. Well, that's how you know. I've never those co-carrisons comparisons. I've never done Cookies up with cats when they do that shit too I'm not here to do that any such a sweet little animal. I mean you've met him but he's he's also weird

Cats are weird though They're just like waiting like they just give you that look unlike dogs They just look at you with the tongue out like breathing like hope breathing quick hoping that you're gonna Take them on a walk or play with them. I just have that like I'll sit real close to you. Look at you in a way that's saying that if I was larger I would 100% try and kill you. It's like if if when God was creating cats he was like I want an animal that completely encompasses I want an animal that completely encompasses that girl you like in high school that doesn't like you back But kind of needs your help in geometry like how about a cat awesome Yeah, as soon as you do anything more than they want they just leave like I don't have time right now

I'm a lazy exactly yeah Exactly cats. Where are we on them? It tricked us because I want them to laugh me All right cats on cocaine and that's that's a Right cast starting this fall Cats on cocaine we just chase him around. That song co-head. Where do they get it? We'll take your theme song submissions. Just message us. It would have to be the Benny Hill soundtrack, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You would have to be that. I think it would be amazing. No way. All right, so first on the week, we had on Tom Papa, right? Tom Papa, of? Tom Papa of course Great comedian. It's been around forever a long time friend of Joe's. He's got a ton of popularity from Joe's podcast like many of his good friends and is really best known for his bread making

He loves making bread. He used to bring bread on Joe's That's right! Talk about the bread that he made and eventually I think the fucking like What is it like that geo channel gave him a show? You were telling me that! Yeah he goes around a bakery's and and checks out their bread. Like what? My girlfriend wants that job. You would think he weighs like 500 pounds from all the bread. You would. No, he looks good.

Yeah, that's it. You never make it in this town. You know what, one of the interesting parts of the beginning of their conversation when they were talking about having kids for one and their kids kind of being funny, you know, one of the interesting parts of the beginning of their conversation, when they were talking about having kids for one, and their kids kind of being funny, you know, like at least with both of them, their professional stand-up. So they, they pray, pay attention to things that are actual, like, good comedy, that they're always looking for. So they see these things, these snippets come out of their kids,

but then they both talked about, what do you say to your kid if they wanna be a stand up? And I thought that's a great question, because you and I love it and we perform, and what would we say? What would you say to your kid? Do it. Do it.

Yeah? Yeah, I would, and I know they're gonna fall on their face, but I mean, look, I don't have kids. I'm not going to have kids. So this is very easy for me to say because when you're in the heat of the battle of parenthood, so to speak, I'm sure it's entirely different because they're going to be very protective of their kids. So we're going to be, but I also feel like there's value in falling on your face

sometimes and learning how to get back up. I think that's... What happens if you felt like it was more of just their excuse for not wanting to work hard in a high school and or go to college? Well, I feel like wait a minute. Do they really want to be this creative type and go for this endeavor?

Well, if they're... Or they just trying to... Well, if they're just trying to... Well, if they're my kids, I'm gonna probably err on the side of genetics. We're like, well, I was that stupid. So... I don't regret it for a damn minute. I'd rather...

I thought it was interesting. It was an interesting question to like put forward, you know. It is, what about you? I don't know, I think that's why I found it so interesting like even Joe kind of had reservations. He was like, well, I mean, it's just so difficult to do well in but like anything you could learn it. I just wonder if it only makes sense to be like, okay, listen, you can do that, but you've got to also work at in school or you've got to at least get a degree. Like your job as a parent is to put them in a position to survive. Exactly.

You don't want to, I guess you don't want to bully them into doing, you know, you're going to be a doctor and that's it. Like let them do the things that they want. But it's a bit scary if they're just like, I just want to paint. That's it. I'm not going to school just painting. You're like, wait a second. Hold on. Well, I mean, I get it. And you have to take it, I mean, I think you'd have to take it case by case. But here, I feel kind of like a hypocrite because I'm sitting here thinking, well, man, I mean, most of the fun is the journey. It's not the end, it's getting there, it's the hustle.

But at the same time, I've told like three people this week, because I think I'm gonna quit, I'm sick of this shit. And then I'm like, why? And I'm like, and I give all my reasons, because I'm sick of, you know, they're like, why? And I'm like, and I give all my reasons, because I'm sick of, you know, not getting booked, you know, for shows, where I'm like, I'm stronger comic than that. And then somebody's like, we'll come do my show. I'm like, okay, I'm willing to have a problem. Happy too.

So, it's like, it's this double edged sword. Yeah. But I know when it's all said and done, whether I'm successful or not, I'll be happy I did it. Right. But that, I think that's the point. It's like sure encourage them and give them the opportunity But it's like listen, this is gonna be your hobby like doing jujitsu is gonna be your hobby I think even even if my kid was like I want to be a jujitsu instructor

It's hard to make good money doing that. I mean, people do it, but it's hard to make it a job. It's just not, there's the opportunity, why is it just not quite there? I think, I don't know, it's just something that I hadn't thought about before, and not that I'm thinking of having kids or whatever, but it's like, I kind of assume that I would be more liberal to that idea. I kind of assumed I'd always be like whatever they want to pursue, as long as it's their passion on down. But then you start thinking, wait a minute, maybe they don't have a clue. And they're just, you don't want to do any work. Here's where I'd struggle, because I would say to them, I'd be very encouraging, I'd be like, yes, go for it. And then in my mind,

I'd be like, I've made all of these mistakes. So I can teach them. And they won't have to suffer through these mistakes the same way I did. And then they will be like normal children, not listen to me, and then suffer in the exact same way. And I'd be like, I should have just told them not to do this. That's perfect. That's the exact thing. We're going to do it anyway.

Totally. We're going to do it. Yeah, gonna do it anyway. Totally. You're gonna do it. Yeah, I don't know. I guess I'll find out if ever I have kids, but it'd be something I have to think about. Because if they look at my life, they're gonna be like, you did all kinds of weird shit.

So, why can't I? Do as I say, don't do as I do. Yeah, I know. And no, that's it. So, talking about the type of stand-up up that Tom Papa is able to do, right? So obviously full-time comedian and he has little bits of stuff shows and things but he's successful enough. He What's his routine, right? And there was a great question that Joe kind of threw out there because I'm always lists

I'm always like hoping that we get those gems of knowledge from the comedians. Of course. Like how they do it. Like obviously everyone has a different process. Like yours is even different to mine on all level. Then there's these guys that are really about as pro is, is you can get, I think once you get to their level, it's more about your popularity on, you know, rather than your ability to do comedy, you know. Yeah, I mean, it's not to say there is as good as they can get or Tom Puppa couldn't get better. It's not that, but I mean, he has all the expert. If all of a sudden he blew up and was the biggest comic in the country because of a few

viral videos, his comedy wouldn't need to get any better for him to be writing on. Right, yes. He's great. To use a sports analogy. He's in the majors and hitting home runs. It's not a question of whether or not Hill hit home runs. It's a question of how many? Yeah, yeah.

He just hasn't been caught. But he knows how to do it and made front page. Exactly. But he knows how to do it. No, for sure. There's no fine tuning is set going, well, maybe you should do this and drop that joke and this needs to be sharper. No, it's just like just He's got it's done. Yeah, there's no training involved anymore

Yeah, well, I mean just from all the areas that he's gets to perform that he's you know just being around since the beginning of all these guys and Held on that kind of level. I mean it's 20 years in if you survived this long and you know these other comics you're gonna be good You just can't hack your way through. There's just no way you would have been able to make that so again It was the routines like when do they write? How do they write? What do they do? Because it seems so different for so many people. And I think finding that out for yourself, how you want to do it is not easy.

I don't think that's a difficult part of like, I know I've had a lot of trouble with just sitting down and writing and even making something that's a joke. And then I go to do it or I'm reading it out loud, and I'm formulating it, and I'm like, this isn't how I talk when I'm making somebody laugh. This doesn't really reflect me. This is almost like some way that I think someone

should tell a joke. Exactly. But it's like, I, it's, yeah, it's not just your writing, it's the performance, it's discovering how you want to be as a comic, and what parts of yourself, if not all of yourself that you want to show to the audience and you know what aspects of that. I can be a cost, I can be a cost of comedian, but I found it doesn't really kind of work for me in terms of how I am on stage. I'm the I need to be the more congenial Kind of your buddy who's like listen to this shit that just happened to me kind of comic I can't I gotta be the guy next to you in the bar. I can't be that grizzled vet in the corner

Calling everybody gay and shit like that and then ranting about the state of the world That just doesn't work for who I am. You know what I mean? I can't be that type. I'm not that type. I can't be a Sam Kenison. I can't be a Lewis Black, although I'd love to be a Lewis Black because I feel like ranting all the goddamn time. But I'm not a Lewis Black.

Well, it's an interesting point because you can get into modes too, where you're like, maybe you're just frustrated and you're writing that way. But again, just like you say, you don't have, your energy is like too high and peppy to be really complaining to that level. It's just, I mean, it is kind of different. You saw my set at the comedy store about how I, the set I did about how I thought a Clark

Superman had a way better alter ego than Batman in terms of disguise. But I kind of was a little angry about it because I was playing like because the general consensus in the world is that Superman's alter ego of Clark Kent is lame because he just puts on glasses and Bruce Wayne is awesome because he wears this suit and he pretends to be this playboy and I take the contrary opinion and I'm kind of arguing with just the world's popular opinion and it didn't it didn't land even though I thought it was funny and I'm not saying I'm not going to do it again because I think it was good.

I definitely think I need to approach it in a different way. Whether I'm acting it out or I play both parts or anything like that, something. Sure, but there's so many parts to it. I mean, practicing it a hundred more times won't hurt. No, no, no. And then also finding your way into the joke, in a way you really sit with it. It's like imagine you and I tell that same one to pull it off, it will be done in a very different way. Oh, totally. We should do that.

We should go from totally to fun. That would be interesting, yeah. Just like, my movie's so much angrier. It would be a little balleroy Alver, who has the better of us. It was a great identity. So Tom was talking about writing always in the morning. I find that for me that works very well. Yeah.

Writing too in the morning. But he says really that he works a lot of his stuff out just on stage. Cool. Right. Yeah. Now he has so much stage time all the time that that seems like a very freeing way of doing it. Like it does take a lot of pressure off you

because I don't know if you've ever had it where you just sit there staring at the computer trying to think of something to write. And this really goes for all writing or at least all creative writing. It's amazing that that it's almost like the screen can turn your brain off or holding the pen turns your brain off. Well, because you are at that moment looking at words on a screen, not images and ideas

in your brain, thoughts and feelings that make you laugh inside your brain. And then you look at the screen and you're like, well, I have to put this down. Oh, these are different things now. I'm thinking about it in a different way because I have to write it. It's tactile, it's concrete, it's in front of me. So I never sit down and actually sit down at my computer.

Now I will write jokes. I come up with jokes and then I'll speak them into my notepad in my computer. Now I will write jokes. I come up with jokes and then I'll then I'll speak them into my notepad in my phone and I save them and then I I'll hit the beats and then I'll figure the rest out later. I'll figure out my transition or I'll build upon that because that's the way my brain works but I've never actually the only time I've ever sat down to actually write. I could do it and I write comedy and I write scripts and things like that. And that's very different, but when I'm doing stand-up, it's all in my brain. And I just yell it into my phone and that's how it goes.

Because I have to make myself laugh first and foremost. Yeah. Yeah, but everybody's process is different. That's just how I do it. But I think that everyone's process is different, but there are certain things that no one should try to do. And you just hit it on the head. No one should just ever sit down without an idea

and a blank piece of paper and say, go, be fun. It just that you have to start with something. You have to start with an idea. Something needs to be making you laugh and you're like, what do we do next? If you sit down with the entire intention of like, well, now I must be funny. You can come at it from completely the wrong way. You've got to come down with like, what is your angle? What's your take on things? What's your point of view on things? Even if you simply have a point of view on how people walk their dog or how dogs take a shit or how people hang art, anything. What is your point of view?

What's the story you're trying to tell or the point you're trying to get across? You've got to sit down from with some perspective that you want to get out. If you're going to go to the goals to be funny, you're already doomed. It's like, no, make your point or tell your story and then add jokes as part of your process. And that is what makes it come alive. But if you just sit down and go like, I know, I'm funny. What is funny? Ooh, let me think about it. You're already doomed. It's the worst way to go about it. In my opinion, I could be completely wrong. Other people could be like, well, that's how I do it, buddy. I'm like, all right, well, then fine. I don't know what I'm talking about. But it's a tough one, though, because it does vary. You know, maybe you do start with your punchline in the sense of you thought

of something funny. That's just how your brain works when you're being funny. And then like, okay, let me write a story around it. But the key is you got to, you got to start with someone which brings up an interesting point that was coming across on the podcast. They got over to, it started off talking when they were talking about that once upon a time movie and yeah in Hollywood you know the new ones so they really what I was feeling is they were talking about this as like their bit of escapism like they still like movies they go to movies they enjoy it these two have both watched it and you, you know, and that busy guys, Joe definitely is. But, he's important.

Well, then they talked a little bit about their meditation, right? So Tom Popp obviously was talking about his trans and dental meditation. And this is a big part of what he does. And he was not late for this podcast, but he did say that he needed 20 minutes, just to meditate, just to chill, then he came over and did it.

Now, we know Joe is probably the world's biggest advocate for float tanks. And that is forced intense to our meditation. Like you can't grind anywhere. You're there, he has one at a youth staff one at his house. So what's fascinating about this, is it that these guys just at least have the freedom to do whatever they want so that meditation squeezes in there? Like what value does that have? Because you always hear everyone should meditate, everyone and no one

does it well, and then it happens. And is this related somewhat to stand up? Is there this forced calm that they're like this is super important for how I do my stand up? Not just my life, but it's there for my stand up. Well, I was working on, because I work in reality TV some of the time. I'm not going to mention the show because non-disclosure agreement, but this guy was talking about brain waves and alpha waves, beta waves, theta waves, and things like that.

And they were talking about meditation. I do believe it's theta waves that you can simulate with meditation. I think it's either theta or alpha. And that is that place where thought goes away and just like that creativity and that stuff can kind of come to life because they call it the monkey mind. And a lot of Tibetan monks call it that, the monkey mind, which is just all these thoughts going like crazy, just over and over and over in your head,

and you can't stop thinking, and when you get into that Thelus state or that Alpha state, the monkey mind goes quiet, and then it's all the noise is gone, and whatever can really, you want to rise to the surface creatively comes up. And instead of you, just your brain, you firing your brain,

you kind of let the work just brain, you firing your brain, you let the work just work itself out in a way, if that makes sense. And I think that's part of it. And then talking about meditation, it's kind of the same thing. I would liken it to athletes. It's like, you better be, you've got to get in great shape and train hard

like an athlete to go be a professional athlete. You don't get to become a professional athlete and then say, oh, well, now I'll start training. That's not how it works. You've got to train to become a professional athlete and then that hard work pays off and you get the work and the jobs. It's like these people, you know, you met them, there are dime a dozen in Hollywood, the people that are like, man, if I could just get that big break,

then I'd really be able to like, dedicate myself to my acting, my directing, my writing. It's like, bitch, you better dedicate yourself, and then you'll get your big break. It don't work the opposite way, and it's like that with meditation, too. I don't think it's, you can put the cart before the horse. You don't get rich and famous and get all this free time

and then start meditating. Start meditating, put the effort in. And that's when you'll start seeing the effects of the meditation, create more things, create that life, that more freedom, rich, whatever you want. Peace of mind, stuff like that life, that more freedom, rich, whatever you want, piece of mind, stuff like that. Does that make sense?

It definitely slows things down, which is weird and counterintuitive because you're like, I don't have time to meditate right now. I'm busy, I'm in a hurry, I'm blah, blah, blah, but then when you do it, and honestly, I'm terrible at it, but I go to float tanks quite often. Sure. And then I'm very comfortable in that, like I've done many, many, many of those.

I don't know, hundreds. Yeah. And I can do them and stay. I immediately get into gear. I know what's going to happen. My brain kind of goes into that place. I'm very comfortable in there. I just do it.

And then I'm done. If I try and sit at home, it's very, very difficult for me. Maybe we're more practice,, I just do it and then I'm done. If I try and sit at home, it's very, very difficult for me. Maybe we're more practice, but I just, I have it. I haven't to practice in. I don't want to, because I really feel like float tanks are far, far superior anyway, and I'd rather just commit more to those. But it does. I get done with the float tank, and that is a big chunk of your time. But really it's only the same as watching a movie. So if you've got time to watch a movie, you've got time to do the float tank. If you're close enough to one and I'm right by the one

in Venice, but it really slows things down. It just does. Concerns and fears that I feel let it right on me go get much further away. Yeah, like oh these are just things Comed down the monkey mind Yeah, and I wonder if it does allow you to get into a gear that maybe either makes it for them Easier to perform or maybe easier just to maintain there They're not so much fast-paced life though Joe's seems very fast-paced Tom's way more chill, but he's still doing big things, you know. He has to perform the big crowds, that's a responsibility, as a show.

You know, just this... Yep. This bit of meditation. And I wonder if I do it enough. Yeah, what is your... Do you do any? How do you do it? I do.

I do. I do. Well, actually, I don't even know if I've ever told you this. I'm actually a practicing Buddhist. Did I ever tell you that? What? Yeah, I actually am. I don't ever talk to anyone. Exactly. You get like a membership.

Yeah, I got a card and everything. I see. Yeah. No, we have no attachment to memberships. No, I actually, no, I'm legitimately the worst Buddhist outside of Burma that you could find. But wait, do I start over? How does this come about?

So this was damn near 14 years ago. Buddy Mine was just going to his like Buddhist group and I was like, so everybody used to call me Dr. House. You remember that show with Hugh Laurie? He was the Doctor. And they didn't call me that because I was handsome like Hugh Laurie, although I am. No, they called it because I was kind of a cramudgently asshole. And I had this moment where I was like, I don't want to be this guy anymore. I don't want to be that

So what is it that makes me so angry? What is it that has me so full of discontent? And I literally was asking these questions and then I went to this meeting with my buddy and It was this Buddhist group in Santa Monica All very sweet people, although some of them are a little too hardcore about Buddhism. I didn't stick with that group because it felt like Sunday church, but when the guy that spoke,

he kind of spoke to the questions that I was asking myself at that moment. And I'd even told my friend that, and he looked at me like in the middle of like this dude, so I hate to say sermon, because that's so associated with religion, but it was his kind of his sermon. And my buddy looked at me and he was like,

holy shit, you were just talking about that. So I was like, okay, I'm sticking with this. But what I loved about Buddhism more than anything was, and it's not the religion, I don't subscribe to the religion, I don't subscribe to the religion. I don't care about the metaphysics. I'm kind of agnostic about it. I'm like, that's great.

If it's real, awesome. If it's not, it's no sweat off my back. I like more Zen or Tibetan Buddhism where it's like, this idea of non-attachment. The human life is suffering and that is caused by attachment to things. And if we let go of our attachments, our suffering will lessen. But for me, wasn't as much as like, no, I know how to let go of all my attachments. It was kind of an understanding of where my discontent was coming from. And understanding the cause of effect of every action that I take and knowing What the result will be from how I behave so I understand I still have attachments I have attachments to my girlfriend. I have attachments to my cats on cocaine

If I were to use them I would be distraught. But then there are things that like old baseball cards. I enjoy them, but if they were gone tomorrow, I'd be like, oh, that's too bad. And I moved on, whereas 10 years ago, it could have been, it could have ruined my month. Things like that, it's a make sense. So that's kind of where, so that's kind of how I approach life. And it's not this big deal. I mean, obviously, you know, I work as a bouncer at some places and I've had to get into scrapes with guys So it's not sorry. I got a helicopter

It's not like I'm wearing Tibetan robes and you know preaching to people and stuff like that as they walk by It's just kind of a fun thing because you've you've never mentioned it to me But I've also never seen you You've always been very nice. You're a nice person. You're known for that So if you weren't before and you felt Confentational or angry that's a nice thing to see that it changed it did because I can't imagine that in you At all now. Yeah, you just don't. Yeah, maybe I should become Buddhist that, if it was.

You know, it brought me peace. It brought me peace of mind. They're too angry. It just brought me peace of mind. And I just stopped sweating in the small stuff. And look, anybody's driven an LA traffic, especially recently, because people have been really fucking shitty drivers.

But anybody's driven an LA traffic, it's really hard to stay, quote unquote, enlightened. There's another great quote, I think it's Eckhart Tolly, that said, if you think you're enlightened, go spend a week with your parents. And that is the absolute motherfucking truth. But it probably piece of mind, but yes, so back to the original question.

With that, there is meditation, and I was doing meditation. The first Buddhist group I joined was Nisha and Buddhism. They're Japanese Buddhists, and they chant. They do this famous Namiaho Renge Kyo, or semi-famous, I don't know. And that's chant, and that's their form of meditation. But there are other forms of meditation. There's meditation through sound. There's people that just simply imagine a ball of light.

There's all these different things, and I'm not as good as I should be about it because I think it would improve my life dramatically. But it definitely helps, and it definitely was part of the practice. But it's just really it definitely was part of the practice. But it's just really clear in your mind out. Just getting rid of that, again, the monkey mind, the monkey brain, just getting rid of those excess thoughts that are weighing you down.

That's interesting. So then it might turn out that you, because I don't really know people that meditate. And I only count myself as doing so because of the length of time in the float tanks, which adds up and it is real. that's real time that I'm edited Even though I wasn't just sat there cross-legged in my front room You meditate anyway, so I do it my way, but I didn't really know anyone else that did it. That's fascinating Yeah, huh. I have to we're getting to your strategies For doing that another time the last part of what they talked about though is what I wanted to

pull you in on this whole Epstein thing so I guess it was right after this podcast that he showed up dead, hung himself, conspiracies of the wall, the idea, what is the whole deal with this dude? And obviously a lot of people know and I've pieced it together. But yeah, I mean, an island with a bunch of kids on it. Yeah, you own an island and you basically trafficked underage, like miners underage kids for sex for sex I guess with other billionaires things like that A bunch of twisted fox and he was doing right and of course, and he raped him molested a bunch of kids himself And of course the conspiracy theories were immediately that these other billionaires whether it be Donald Trump or Bill Clinton or any of the other ones they can't hung out with.

Obviously, had him murdered because he was going to sing and they were all going to end up in the clink. So that's kind of the conspiracy theory that's out there now. You would have thought he has a tape somewhere. His like, if I end up hung in my cell tape, he gets released. Maybe the powers that be can just stop it from every direction. What was creepy to hear is Joe was saying,

and I guess they Googled this, but Clinton had flown with him 26 times on their private jets. And you know, and still made out like, oh, I didn't know any of this. And really great comparison that Joe made is that he turned to Jamie, the sound engineer dude, and was like, hey, Jamie, we're pretty close, right? He's like, yeah, he's like, how often have we flown together?

He was like, I don't know, like four times. Yeah. So when you flown with someone 22 more times, that's a lot of times of flying somewhere with someone. I mean, you can assume that a lot more of their life that they interacted. Right. Anyone who listens to the show regularly has probably deduced that I am fiercely liberal. So with that caveat, Bill Clinton shady is fuck. Now, I mean, and if we were going to come out tomorrow, that he was also doing what Epstein did,

if he was banging underage minors on this island, I'd be like, yep, sounds right, sounds right. Nope, nope, no surprise there. Because yeah, he's shady as fuck. Crazy. And yeah, I mean, what is it? A causation is in correlation or vice versa, correlation is in causation, but when they smoked their fire. So, but this goes back to conversation you and I were having last week when we were talking because the minute he died, of course all these conspiracy theories jumped up. Like oh he was murdered, they had him murdered.

I'm like you have no data, no evidence, no nothing to support that assertion in any way, shape or form. You simply had a thought and you were like, well, that's gotta be it, with zero evidence whatsoever to back it up. So, I'm kind of like, and I'm like, again, I'm fiercely liberal, but even when the whole Trump and Russia stuff was happening is like, you know what?

I'm gonna sit back, I'm reserving judgment because I don't like his politics. I think he's a colossal asshole, but I got no knowledge whatsoever that he has done anything did anything shady to get elected. Now I want to believe it because I fucking hate him, but I didn't have any I had no idea. So I sat back and said i don't know i don't know if you did i don't need to know he did to know that i hate him but i don't know that he but that's yes just boring mok i know i'm sorry i'm sorry he's a way more excited there so did you know um there's some

study done the americans are more conspiratorial by nature than the rest of the world that's pretty interesting because this there's gypsies in the rest of the world and and they seem like you know they just make up their own science so where would they make up Americans? oh sure climate change oh it's sunspots the fuck are you don't know even know what sunspots are you asshole you think the sun has acne Stupid yeah, I think jiffsy's Well, it's interesting dialogue this whole story because the next podcast on for he man wa another great comic younger guy

Yes, that's podcast 1334 the first thing that they got into was talking about Alex Jones, right? And Alex Jones draws people crazy, but he has been banging on about this island in these billionaires for a long time, and it's like part of his, just some of the absurdly unfounded type of stories that he would throw out that people are just like, oh, he's a conspiracy nut. But when it comes true and when it's real, that's fascinating stuff. And the only way for Alex Jones to not be the worst part of any story is if it involved children getting raped. That is literally the only way Alice Jung could be not the worst part of the story. That's how much I could.

Well, he figured it out. He was talking about this. Other news people were not talking about it. Yeah. And I find him, I, if anything, he is hilarious. He is an hilarious person. It's always unintentional. He's just ranting you going. But my God. I mean, definitely always one of my favorite robins to listen to. You almost got to wear a seatbelt just to listen to it. That's how crazy those podcast go. You fucking do. But you know, when you think of where you get information from and the fact that some of this, some of that noise that he makes could be very valuable, it's almost like the boy who cried wolf because he's talking about aliens one minute and alien human hybrids. So you stop paying attention thinking it's maybe nonsense.

Right. So you stop paying attention thinking it's maybe nonsense Right hit you with these guys are in part of this child fucking cult and you know, it's happening on these islands and it's like oh nobody needs to believe it Well, that's almost like the government saying UFOs, you know It's like they pull you into that conspiracy And then they make you sound crazy by believing it Well, that's far more believable than Lizard people living under the surface of the earth or human alien hybrids I'm like it is feasible that there are billionaires

Operating human trafficking and banging minors on an island. It seems absurd and ridiculous because we're poor and You know, I'm like I can't even afford Amazon prime right now So I gotta get like six day free delivery and they're just shipping kids back and forth But it's not how the realm like possibility. Yeah, you don't you don't really associate being a billionaire with that No, it's like oh if I ever got a billion dollars These are all the things I'd like to do if there was one guy in the room That was like dude. I would love to go to an island where I could fuck kids. You just turn around and be like excuse me Wait, what exactly That's

Twisted holes the right Well, we'll find out I I guess, maybe. Maybe, just hung himself. And I mean, whether you did that or not, it doesn't change what was happening. I hope they're like continuing to look into this. It's like, oh, he's dead, and now they just don't care. Who else went to that fucking island? There. Yeah.

Whoa. To Western. Make sure to think. To Western. Yeah. Well, so back to for him, it's kind of like the same question that Tom Papa was saying about kids because his parents wouldn't let him go do standout and just go to school to do stuff, right? He had to go to school as he was saying, like for like a good degree. So he's kind

of like bothering back and forth with his parents who were going to pay famed to do four years of which he planned mostly to do stand up, which I think is a fucking awesome plan and what it's you. So he goes to engineering school, keep his parents happy, ends up working for Boeing, but eventually quits after putting in a lot of time doing stand-up, getting to the comedy store and like booking some real gigs. That is fucking awesome. Like I couldn't be, I didn't know a lot about him, I'd seen him perform a few times at the comedy store, he is very good, but that to me was just genius. Right. Like what a long shot of a plan,

but like he knew when, you know, he's working a Boeing that, okay, he's got a good job, he can still do that. And then he started the books and good things. Absolutely. I mean, what a, yeah, that's such an incredibly smart and stable, yet a little maybe methodical and boring way of going about things.

But it's fucking cool. Bro, yeah. I bet it's huge ass pull with a slide in diving boards boring too, but you know, he figured it out. Yeah. But you know what, for every brilliant success story like that, we're like, wow, what a way to do it is a hundred thousand failures. They're like, oh, that would have been cool if you were good. the hundred thousand failures. They're like, oh, that would have been cool if you were good.

Right. Yeah. And then to hear, he's kind of like, as we were saying, the next generation, right? Or, so I guess, I don't know how you would divide up the new comedy generations, but I mean, things are changing all the time. You know, over this next decade, the next young line of stand-ups are going to learn in a different way, like how to get the name out there in their material, whether it's social media, or whether that changes slightly. You know, you're already kind of hearing noises that these sketches that you put on YouTube don't really take off. I mean for him was talking about that. You know, he used to do sketches and just put them on YouTube. And then you know, they kind of go viral and then people love that. But now the sketches that do well on YouTube

are like clips of key and P or show or other shows that are already legit. They're the ones that kind of circulate. It's almost, I don't know if the algorithms have changed, but maybe the way people share things has changed on that. So it's almost like the new comics have changed. Probably. It's almost like this, you know, a new wave of comics are like, okay, so we can't go about it that way. And, and oh, so you know Andrew Schultz,

Yeah. The comedian that, that I sent you, he was, he's the New Yorker guy, quite brash, very, very funny. Oh, he's fucking great. Yeah, he's absolutely brilliant and really like hammering away this like PC kind of gridlock that exists.

But I guess he reached out to either Joe or for him and they were talking and he was saying that you can't search him as easily now. Oh, interesting. Yeah, it's like you have to, if you're subscribed to him, it come up. But it's not just like before you could just write Andrew S and he'd be the first search

Now it's not popping up that way. I tried it on my phone and it seemed to be searching But you know with the way that he speaks and the way that He kind of goes at people You know who knows it only takes one person and charge that algorithm to kind of change things around You know, who knows? It only takes one person in charge of that algorithm to kind of change things around. There are companies that... It's a scary world of YouTube. Well, there are companies and they want to push their own products just like anybody else. The problem is, they pretty much corner the market.

They completely corner the market. Who uses Yahoo Search? Who goes to Vimeo? I hate Vimeo. I mean, you've got to Google, you've got to YouTube. And they are one of the same now and they You're going to push their own shit. So if they, if it doesn't, they much rather have Comics that are doing sketches at the YouTube space that is through their own, you know, their own company, their own network They'll promote that, but if it's independent stuff, they're zero interest.

And I think a lot of this started happening when they changed their monetization policies about a year back. Maybe wasn't even a year. But because I had a buddy who was doing incredibly well with this little horror anthology series, and that hit him, that hurt him. I mean, he got a deal with Blumhouse,

which is really cool. So it kind of happened to the nick of time for him. But he got hurt. He was like, yeah, I don't get the money I used to get. I don't get the views I used to get. So they might be trying to save money. But again, I have no data to back it up, so I can't reach a conclusion.

I can all right on conjecture. It's right. Yeah, I don't know a conclusion. I can, I can, I can, I can, I'm afraid I'm conjectured. Hmm. It's fact, yeah, I don't know a lot about how they pick those things, but I could imagine that, you know, I guess what you're saying is that they, then, they're not showing his name so that they can push their own shows. And I'm, I'm still applying was that maybe it's more of a ban, more of a censorship issue, which I think is more Damaging it's fine. It's more like something that it make more Numbers but like at what point are you getting? I mean, it doesn't mean that like other comics So then I have to be like oh shit if you want to do well on YouTube

You can only talk about x y and z good being like that Like that's not cool. I don't like that shit. It's not. So somebody needs to go create a new YouTube, you know? It wouldn't hurt to have multiple video ones to work. Well, and there is. I wonder why they don't have more of those. There is also the question of algorithm in terms of content because you got a lot of,

I mean, there was a lot, there was a big purge on YouTube. A lot of the right-wing extremists like our buddy, What's His Face, from Info Wars, that you were just mentioning. My friends, Alex Jones. Alex Jones, like they wiped him off, they wiped a bunch of people off. So I wonder if that somehow ends up in the algorithm,

if it's simply an algorithm of like anything that comes across offensive or controversial or nuts, maybe that just kind of filters it out. Maybe so maybe he's just kind of stuck in this shitty rip tide of censorship that. Yeah, but that's so shit. Like who fucking decides that? That's bullshit. Exactly. the same with Alex Jones when I heard They did that. I was like you fucking kidding me Like people should be allowed to speak. This is America like even if it even if Pete some other people think it's crazy It's like you can't turn people off. That's definitely the beginning of some bad stuff because it's all fun and games Till someone turns you off and it's easy to be like, well, yeah, but I don't say stupid shit. And you're like, well, in who's opinion?

And who's opinion? Because you've already said it to me. Yeah. Great line from the American president is like exercising your first amendment rights is like, you, if I'm going to horribly misquote it and you push it to the right. But you're pushing the fuck out of it, but it's something that goes scream at the top of your lungs, defending the right of a man to scream at the top of his lungs, something that makes your skin crawl. That's been talked to me about Land of the Free and Home of the Brave, and it's kind of true. Wow.

Either all speeches free or none of it's free. Yeah, you just have a dialogue afterwards where if he didn't agree, then you just say, I don't agree with that. Wow. Either all speeches free or none of it's free. Yeah. You just have a dialogue afterwards where if you didn't agree, then you just say, I don't agree with that. And I will definitely say, as a, as a professed liberal, I'm really over that part of it on the left side, this idea of going away. Do I like Nazis and MAGA? People know.

And I'd be thrilled if we stopped giving them attention. But I'd love this idea that everybody says something ass in-ein and then they've got to go away like Mario Lopez makes this comment about kids that are transgender and if you listen to it yes if you look at it on paper it's a little more incendiary and then when you listen to it you're like I didn't eloquently express what he was trying to say but I kind of get where he was going. And then suddenly he was like, people coming out of the work, you have to go away.

And he needs to be fired, and he needs to apologize. And he's like, for what? To whom? Fuck off, fuck you. He gets to God damn say what he wants to say. You don't just have to go away because you said something on a goddamn morning show about how you sincerely feel.

I think that's the key though, is just to not apologize. If you really decide that it was not something you should have said, change it in yourself and then don't say that again or don't think that way. But you don't have to apologize because you're the fuck you apologize into anyone. Some of it just people are going crazy and it's creating like this bossy meant like mentality too. It's like everyone gets to say something to everyone else instead of letting everyone be even with their quote unquote to you wrong ideas.

Everyone has to say something now and I swear to God I can sense it. Even in my gym, like you can't put towels there, you can't wear shoes there. Like everyone just wants to lecture each other. I'm just like who the fuck are you the fucking towel flip flop please. I know. The other day there was almost like a straight up fight in the sauna because somebody had a glass bottle and somebody some other dude was like you can have glass in here. They sell glass bottles of drinks right outside in the area where you get drinks. Right. And it's like, okay, I look, I know there's a bit of an issue. Glass smashing in a sauna, people just wearing flip flops or near a pool. Yeah, that's a bad, that's not ideal, you know, but there's certainly ways of going about

Talking to somebody I mean this guy just came right at him like you better take that out like it was a bomb. I'm like whoa, dude Why don't you calm down before he decides to throw it at you? Exactly every real issue We've grown up people holding glass. I don't know. I feel like these things go hand in hand. Adults are just big kids. That's all they are. They're just big kids. I hadn't seen some bossy shit like that for some time. Yeah, for real. For real.

Yeah, it was wild. It was very wild, but it calmed down. And then it just caught me thinking about like, dude, you know. Do you remember this and this might not have been in your stratosphere, but it was about a month or two ago, my poor girlfriend had to listen to me rant about this. There was a group online that was really going after Chris Pratt. Chris Pratt of Jurassic World Guardians of the Galaxy, Parks and Rec

Fam. Yeah. And he's outward with his faith, but he's not like so in your face about it, because he's still a goofball, but he's outward with his faith in a way that probably most celebrities are not, but I wouldn't say he's in your face about it at all Trust me, I love those people and I love Chris Pratt, but he goes to a church I don't know it's in some way affiliated with some other church That had a preacher or a pastor or something that said some anti-gay had some anti-gay rhetoric and I believe it was Ellen Page that went after him

I think she did it on Colbert. She either did it on Colbert. She did it right after she was on Colbert. And went after him and they're calling on him to denounce like this group. And I was like Chris Pratt is so beloved in this town. If you don't live in Los Angeles, he's incredibly beloved. I've never met a human being in this Chris Pratt that didn't adore him. He's sweet. He's kind. He's a big goofball. He loves everyone He's kind and respectful to everyone. You look at the cast of parks and recreation You look at the Marvel group you look at the Jurassic World world group. They all fucking love him

I'm like this dude has done nothing to anyone and it really and I I deduced done nothing to anyone and it really and I I deduced based on no data but it certainly seemed like most of it was just a reaction to him being outward with his Christian faith. I'm not a Christian. Oh no doubt you don't need data for that of course it was. It was and it was infuriating because I was like this dude has done nothing to no one. He's just a big goofball online and he makes movies that make people have jumped all over Chris because and it's interesting you bring it up because Rogan always does because they have a farm and he slought his own goats and things and Like has his kids be active with it so they know where their food comes from. I think that's a fucking awesome bit of education.

I'm sorry if you just look at it from knowledge, it's really, really important. If they choose to be vegetarian after that, awesome. You know, it makes you understand what's happening. You get people jump all over and for that. Yeah, I can't apologize. Well, here's the irony of this too Ellen Page who who is um who's a lesbian and and was the one that brought it up she bid on co bear is either when she did her she was on co bear the night before co bear who's devout Catholic and I do believe the Catholics I grew

up a Catholic so I know very well The Catholics have a couple of skeletons in their closet about homophobia and child molestation if I'm not mistaken. So it was very interesting that one celebrity would be called out because of a loose association with some person, and then you have this monolithic entity that has existed for thousands of years that is responsible for horrendous atrocities and that's not even addressed. The Catholic Church is pretty clear on their views on homosexuality. They've not changed them in any way. They're pretty clear on their views about women too, no offense to anyone who is listening

to this Catholic, but they're pretty clear. So for her to go after his prayer. Man, don't worry, Joe's, Joe's ragging on them constantly. Yeah, but it's like, for her to go after Chris Pratt, was she sitting there in the presence of a devout Catholic, who my door? Do you know how to get me wrong? But I was like, come on, pot kettle black.

Let's get real, please. Yeah, but regardless of that, that, that's a comparison not even worth making. It's like, oh, so a piece of shit said something. It shouldn't make it less inexcusable, even if she was the nicest person in the world. And she's like, Matthew, what's he trying to do? He's praying. No, it was like, so what is, you know, it's just like, you're trying to, what? He's not out. Look, number one, he's not out talking shit about anybody. No one. He has energy like the rock,

and he just stands by some of the other things that made him him. Why should he have to turn into this like Hollywood version of a something? Why can't he be a man? Probably why people liked him so much in the first places because he has these attributes about him that's like fucking I'm a rugged dude and I'm a bit of a badass also I'm hilarious.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean. I love him. Yeah. I'm pretty sure he's conservative and I don't care. I don't care because I can like somebody for not being just because they have different ideas for me. I can fucking love them. It's like, dude, which is the most, oh, it's, it's such a ridiculous thing that you have to justify that statement. I know it is. Definitely we can't like people that don't think differently. I mean, that will be terrifying to me. If I could only have one party's worth of friends, I'd be like, what the fuck is this? It's just an ecocasm of all you all the things you agree with. And the best conversations I get into is when it's completely opposite, but you love

the person you're talking to. Yeah, it's one of the reasons I love Bill Mar. And a lot of my friends really don't like Bill Mar, but I'm like, you know what, that dude don't give a fuck. And he says a lot of shit that liberals are afraid to say. And I'm like, and he's also not afraid to like conservatives and be friends with them. And he's like I'm not gonna live in in a bubble anymore than I want them to live in one I fucking love that. That's pretty interesting I never really watched this show I've seen a few things I think you're quite like this documentary the religious one I think you

the most good yeah I don't have time to watch TV though yeah I'm not gonna sit there and watch it I watch them I'm watching them in a year and it's not because I don't like it because I just haven't had time. I'm surprised more little snippets Don't show up on YouTube, you know like this is a two-minute to him That might be a good way to absorb some stuff on the show Talking about YouTube and the Amazon's and all the rest of it. Yes Jim Gaffigan. Let's finish up with that. Yeah it. Yes. Jim Gaffigan. Let's finish up with that. Yeah. Legend. Love the guy. One of my favorite comedians. And I'm not really a big fan of the like completely PC comedians. Honestly. Sure. I'm always kind of looking for patents where they

clearly should have said it in a more raunchy way, but you know they turned back from it. And it annoys the fuck out of me. I'm just like, oh, damn. Right. Who are you pandering to? But that's just me. I like like, I like saying. It's bill fucked up things. But with him, it's always been different because he's such an interesting goofball that I just love it. And the way that he makes fun of himself is, oh, the best. Nobody else is business. Nobody else does it that well. Nobody beats him. Nobody, nobody makes fun of themselves better. He really points out the most absurd shit about himself. And you were telling me, what is it? What was it? Amazon 30 million? Yeah, so he sold his special, I think, exclusively

to Amazon, right, which is a bit of a new wave and Support from what I've read they paid Through the fucking ass on this one 30 million now. I don't know if that's like a direct payment or if it's like look you get half of that And then you get half of whatever plays and da da da da. I don't know the ins and outs of it, but It's that's a big deal That's a lot of money ton of money and lot of money. And that really speaks to, like, look, they have the data. So they know how many people are going to watch this special. And that says so much to his popularity.

Yep. Yep. Damn. Now, I'll think you just get their goddamn home screen interface better. I could actually watch it. That's 95% of the reason I watch Netflix instead of Amazon. Amazon may have a bunch of great shit,

but I can't find it. Or it's a pain in the ass. Or they start offering me that have a whole row of like, here's a bunch of stuff you could buy from us. If I wanted to buy things from you, I wouldn't be here in the, I'd be on your goddamn website buying like, I don't know, jumper cables or something for 10 bucks.

That's not why I wanna watch free shit to pay $15.99 for that. That's how I feel about it. I can't even remember the last time I watched something on Amazon actually. I was trying to think when I last interfaced with that system. We're watching the board. I don't remember. I

Watch Hulu. What's your bit of that? Yeah, I've been on that place. So I go on that one It Hulu who seems to work pretty good for me. That's a decent setup But anyway, Amazon has the money because fuck it. They do and And there we go, you know, he's together with it He's another one of the guys that works a lot of his stuff on stage, though his wife does write a lot of his comedy, do you know that? I heard that, yeah, that's awesome. He didn't talk about it much on this podcast, it didn't really actually at all, I don't think it came up, but it's something that I knew.

And they have a very close family, he has five kids, so they're just this big unit, you know. Right. And because of the money that he has, he has the freedom to spend a lot of time with them and I think that's how It's just all the time. It's like a family working together to just find these gems of Comedy and when you're a polite comic as well, you know With kids you've got a lot to write about because they're the kind of that's true With kids you've got a lot to write about because they're the kind of that's true They never ends you don't yeah, yeah, and you don't want to make that shit shouldn't be Roachie You don't want to go for you don't you comedy to then chat about your kids and then it just that's a difficult transition

It's true It is because it feels yucky feels like you're watching daddy daycare and then it becomes it, you know He's like you're watching Daddy Daycare and then it becomes it, you know? Jim on this one It podcast and it was one of the longer Conversations I'd ever heard him have And I guess I just didn't know a lot about him. He's a very passionate guy You can hear it like he gets like it doesn't just start off with some comedy obviously like you always seeing being funny and silly But he's he's pretty serious and has pretty solid, strong points

on things that frustrate him. And when you've heard that dialogue and him speaking in that way to Joe, you can see this kind of reverse, you know, engineering into his jokes. You're like, oh, this is kind of how he goes back. Right. Like he gets really worked up about some stuff.

He gets annoyed. I think he likes to talk shit in his own mind about something that's I'm sure he does. Like I'm going to slowly turn this into a joke. I guess a lot of comics do that though, right? I think so. Yeah, for sure. What kind of size crowds do you think

Gaffigan is performing for? They're big right there. They're close to this big. I mean could you think it could film I mean he could he could feel Carnegie Hall easy. You think you think so so yeah could you feel Madison Square Garden maybe I mean Sebastian sold that out like two nights in a row yeah so yeah I think Gavigan easily sells that out Gaffigan's got to be up there for sure I mean what a place in comedy to be yeah so does he does he sell it Lambo Field that's the question like how big for how big does the stadium have to get before he can't sell it out? Yeah, right. Well, I mean Joe and Shapel were together the biggest thing they sell sold out was 25,000 they broke the all-time attendance record

That's fucking insane 25,000 what a night though that would have been that's a show dude yeah like a DJ everything going oh man yeah it just unbelievable and it's funny Joe talks about it not feeling like real life it must not feel like real life can't can't that would be so crazy God help you when it starts feeling like real life that's when you're transporting miners back and forth from an island, because they're like, I can do whatever, because we're all just in a dream.

That's right. Oh, that was great. One of my favorite things about Jim Gaffigan, I think it was maybe like two or three specials ago, and I'm not sure if you remember it, but he starts it just like how you kind of imagine like a depressive comic to exist. I think he like woke up late in a shitty looking hotel room.

Like ordered some pizza, like noon. I don't know if you made himself seem like he was drinking. That's maybe not his style, but he was just making himself out to be look like a slob. Right. And he was like ironing something like a shirt. The next minute he's crying, it's all just kind of cut together. It's like it, just the pain and psychosis and loneliness of being a comic all in one.

The crying bit, I especially thought was hilarious because it's like, you know, he's getting ready to get in the mode to go perform. And now he can't do it And he's no good and all that doubt and it was just fucking hilarious how we put it together He really just does act out like the most simple Here's a little confession I will never watch the intro of a comedy special ever I love them hate them despise them with every fiber

of my being. I'm like, just go to the show. I don't need your little bullshit intro. I don't need you ironing. I don't need you walking around New York. I don't need, I don't need any of it. Just get to the show. I always skip it. I have 100% of the time without fail. And if I ever look enough to get a Netflix special, I will not have an intro at all. If my heaven intro, it'll be me talking about how much I hate intros. Oh, that's hilarious. Yeah. Dude, then I hope I direct it. And I put one in but tell you that there wasn't one. And you will just be you ranting about how you never want to have an intro. Yeah, you'll just like filming on your iPhone it'll be like just us and like a bar and I yeah

Yeah, no, no, we just recorded this on a podcast. I heard this Play this This that's pretty I like him. Yeah, go fuck yourself Mark. I like it I don't find that you know what I like about them is they usually not funny at all. Never. And they usually a little bit annoying. And then I'm like this is it almost puts me in a different mood. It's like when the when the special starts it's like I'm just so relieved that that damn bit of like improv YouTube video is finished that I I can get on to some comedy. I don't know.

Yep. Yep. We'll see. Well, Jim Gaffigan's one is out now. I believe on Amazon. Yeah. So if anyone can figure out how to work Amazon and get you the menu and find it, watch that shit. Watch that shit.

I'm going to do it. I'll watch it this week, I think. I don't want your ton of comedy specials. One, because so many seem to come out and two. I'm just like I don't know. I just don't I just I know get into it, but here's our watch because you know, it's like him Louis Joes ones. I love to watch she pal Chris rock. I mean, there's just certain ones you have to watch because they're in their own way gonna go down in history

Absolutely, like sheotle makes that list. Chipotle comes out next week and I'll be glued to the TV. Oh yeah. Yeah, I'm saying. Eddie Murphy when he comes back I'll be glued to that TV. Oh, if he does for sure. Yep. Well anyway, that's it. That's all reviews of the comedy week. It was a great week. If you're into comedy, check out all of those podcasts because they all come from different angles and they all talk a shit ton about comedy, which is great to learn about. Yeah, and their entertainment is fucked, so yeah. Alright, rock. Thanks for listening,

guys. Thanks guys. Talk soon. Bye. Bye. Bye!