Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - Joe Rogan Experience Review of Joe's impact on comedy

Episode Date: July 19, 2019

A very special JRE Review of Joe's impact on comedy and the changes he's help create at the World famous Comedy Store.. Joe is a very well respected comedian not only for his brilliant comedy specials and his endless dedication to the art but for supporting and protecting other comics.. Back in the day he fought against Carlos Mencia who's career was big at the time and he did so to protect his fellow comedians from some unethical behavior.. Ultimately Joe was banned from the store but by doing what he did set the tone for other comics to be ethical and stand by their morals. Today I'm joined by my good friend and regular at the comedy store Mark to discuss the positive impact Joe has had on comedy.. Enjoy my review folks! Follow me on Instagram at www.instagram.com/joeroganexperiencereview Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6ilK4Zrqk2ZeowbOo7pXgw? Please email me here with any suggestions and questions for future shows..

Oh, all right guys and welcome to a kind of a special edition of the Joe Rogan Experience review today. It seems like this week Joe is on vacation or doing something. So I'm going to fill in the time with some interesting ideas that I've wanted to work on. And today, this is a doozy. This one I've been wanting to do for some time and I have my good buddy With me Mark Hampton. How you doing Mark? Yeah, what's up buddy now?

Today's episode and I haven't even thrown Mark this direction yet is a bit of an homage to what Joe Rogan has done for the comedy store and For comedy as a whole over like the last eight years. Okay? Because there's been some big changes in stand-up. Am I right, Mark? Yeah, there's been a huge changes in stand-up. And the comedy store has changed a big deal too, and they're selling out every night, and Mark is actually up there performing. What do you do now, Mark, about twice a month? Yeah, about that. I mean, it varies. It depends on when I get booked.

Yeah. Yeah, you know, twice a month to once every six weeks, you know, I'm still new at it. So, yeah, when they invite my ass. The lucky ones, they get up there. But exactly that. I mean, you get to get up there, you see the energy, you see how it's changed. And it's not just that he does the podcast, it's not just that he does UFC. He does something that's very close to both Mark and my heart. And today we're going to talk about it.

So let's start this review. Okay, buddy. All right. A go. We are a go. How are you today, by the way? I haven't seen you for a while. I'm not bad. I'm not bad.

I went to the chiropractor yesterday. and for those of you out there who have never been to the chiropractor but have always dreamed of spending a lot of money and learning how to die like a henchman in a 90s Steven Segal film, go to the chiropractor. It will achieve both of those fantasies. No, it was good, it was good. He adjusted me, I cracked in ways I didn't't know I could crack and I kind of felt drunk afterwards, but yeah Yeah, even in the best way And so that's vodka you're keeping in your spinal column. Oh, that could be it. That could be it

It's like how people have LSD flashbacks. I have vodka I have vodka have Vod flashbacks. I become a sorority girl. It's like, oh my god, you guys. He bent me in so many different ways. I didn't even know. I was that flexible. Now this was because of your car accident. Yeah, because of my car accident. Car accident. But you're going to be able to make the comedy later? Yeah, I'll be fine. I'll be fine. We'll wheel you up on that stage, don't we? I will probably be taller. He did this one thing where he like,

I've always felt like my skull was compressing like my spine and he just did this thing where it popped and I was like, I bet I'm two inches taller now. I bet I am now the tallest person in my family again. It probably does work that way. Probably. Probably. A little bit extra space. Yeah, so yeah. And again, back to the comedy. We have a show tonight. It's an interesting show in Korea,

Town-ish. It is K-town. K-town. Yeah, it's K-town. Shout out. And it's one way you pick the categories out of a bucket. You don't get to do your material and whatever the category says, you've got to riff on it, you've got to make something very funny, very quick. And I'll tell you why I like this show or the idea of it. I like pursuing it and doing it. One because it's very difficult. Yeah, you like it because it's... So you like things that are hard.

Yeah. And I think with comedy, you want to have that it because it's so you like things that are hard. Yeah, and I think with comedy, you want to have that mentality because it's already hard. If you didn't like difficult things and you want to get into stand up, you need to readjust because you have to readjust. And where I get this idea back to Joe is because I go to a show and Mark often accompanies me and enjoys the show too, called Stand Up on the Spot, which is usually in the belly room of the, which is the small room and Mark's the best room. I love that. Yeah, Sheppel did his last Netflix special in the belly room.

So it's something about it. People love that room. They really, they have a lot bit more about it. So, it's something about it. People love that room. They really have a lot of respect for it. It's intimate. It kind of feels like one of those New York basement clubs to be perfectly honest, even though it's like upstairs. But it feels like a basement club.

It's got the red lights, a little bit zitty looking. The waitresses just hate you automatically. But there's this cool vibe. And anyway, that goes in there with pretense, kind of gets fucked up. There's no room for bullshit in there. It's a great room, man. Yeah, and I really do think it's the only room you can do a show like that in.

I think a bigger room, it becomes chaotic. It does. Well, a bigger room requires bigger energy, I think. For sure. For sure. You can lose it more. But again, you get to see the top level guys, and Joe Rogan often does that show. He often head on it. It's Jeremiah What Can Show, and the audience can just shout things out, and you go from there. And with Joe Rogan, I think that why he does that one, because I mean, he's really at least that the comedy story is as big as it gets for a guy that's there all the time. Yeah, he could stop doing anything right now and be completely fine. So the fact that he's doing like little ADC, you know, rooms in the comedy store is pretty

cool actually. It really is and it shows his dedication but more so it shows the level of training. He knows there's something in there. The other stand-ups aren't necessarily taking advantage of and it really is one of those things. I mean it, you are as vulnerable as it gets. You are as scared in that sense. You are scared. You're naked. Yeah, you're naked. It's very difficult. And it inspires me to go want to do that same thing. I mean,

I want to get good at this. I know you do too. Exactly. For me, you were so good at the last challenge. Mike, we did. You were really good. Thanks, thanks, bud. You, once you really get into your crowd work, I think you're going to be, I think that's going to be real strength of yours, because of the way you can just give endless shit to people, and you're not scared of anyone. So there's something that comes from, I always said this, because I've known so many people in martial arts my like

My college roommate was in martial arts and I was like the level of confidence that comes with knowing that you can kill someone And they can't kill you is just suck it to none Just like right the ability to murder you you can't murder me So I can say anything I goddamn want right now. Right. Yeah. I mean, the same with Rogan and his Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Black Belt, his national champion Taikwondo stuff.

And he has this great story that he tells when the first time he ever did stand up, he's like, well, you know, I teach a class, he taught a Taikwondo class at Boston University. I was very young before he got into comedy. And, you know, he competed, so that's like high level of like fear and nervousness. And he thought, why, I could at least get a pun stage and tell some jokes. And he talks about how he was so surprised that how scared he got. So surprised that how nervous he was. And, you know, he took that energy, that energy you're talking about.

I could kick anyone's ass. Like, I had no real reason to be afraid of this. And then he realized there's something more to this. There's something very... It is a nice little backup though for a bit of confidence. And it's not like anyone ever thinks that way, but... No, of course not. Maybe it's more so that with the security work we've done,

you and I have worked on the door and security at bars and nightclubs for some time. Something comes from that too. There's a little bit of shit talking and crowd work heckling that you kind of can practice. So, are you dealing with drunk people? Absolutely. I mean, I was a small kid growing up, I'm not small anymore, but I was small growing up. And I learned the best way to deal with bullies, it's not the punch on them, although that works. It's a good point. It's to fucking embarrass them. That's it.

To find their weakness and exploit it, poke it, prod it, expose it, expose it to as many people as you possibly can. That's their weakness. If you do that, if you can, you know, and that's why I started developing like my wit. I was like, be sharp. Be sharp as a tech. Don't let, don't let anything go by. And so I kind of feel like, because I, I don't know any fucking martial arts, I think I've been a white belt three times. And I think that was a charity case. They're like, just give the kid a fucking belt. It's pants

falling down. So, but that's kind of like my martial art is wit and being able to kind of sum somebody up and how stupid they look immediately. And just knowing that that's in the back of my mind. And even though nobody knows that, sometimes they can, bullies can feel that. They can feel the ones not to fuck with.

They can feel the ones that are ready for them. You know. Well, they're always looking for the weak ones. They're always looking for someone to pick on. It's just a search for the alpha. It's kind of search for the beta. I wonder if there are any bully types that do stand up at a high level. I don't think there are. I don't think those are in line. Because bullies are cowards. Yeah. And stand up, suffers no cowards. You can't do it.

You just can't. And what are bullies afraid of? They're afraid of being embarrassed. That's why they act out the way they do. And what's the one place your guaranteed to be embarrassed doing stand up? Yeah. It will happen.

You will bomb anyone thinking about doing it. And it's not to discourage anybody, but if you're thinking about doing stand up, you will bomb anyone thinking about doing it. And this is not to discourage anybody, but if you're thinking about doing it stand up. You will bomb and that's okay. Cause you learn, first on my bomb, it was the most miserable experience in my life. And now I'm like, ah, I fucking bombed whatever. Yeah.

And so it's so important. I think if you go too long without bombing, that could be your downfall. It could be, because you may be a forgotten. And then you start to learn audiences. There are different audiences, and I'm one of these comics and performers that I do not like to blame the audience, but because if they're not vibing on the jokes

you're telling, that's not their fault. They're just not vibing on it. And part of your job as a comic is to read the audience and get to the audience. I hate comics to get up and they're like, okay, so here's how it works, guys. I tell the jokes and you laugh. I was like, no, no, no, no, no.

How it works is you tell the jokes and we'll tell you if they're funny or not. And you gotta read a room. And if you're feeling like, oh, this isn't working, then you gotta in the moment figure your shit out. Like, is it performance? Do I need to up my energy? Do I need to get them engaged? Should I do crowd work?

Should I shift my set? What am I doing? You know, I think it's important. Yeah. That's something that you do very well at the comedy store too because there is a wide range of audience These shows up. I mean really with the comedy that I've done It's either other open-micers or people coming to my own show or mostly comedians and I have a feeling like I have a bit of an idea who they are, but I mean I've seen you perform in the main room

And then wait with I mean, I've seen you perform in the main room. And then, wait, you're in the original room, I do originally. I do originally. The original room. Yeah, which is a beautiful room for comedy too. Oh, it's amazing. It's the room. It's the mega-ish.

Yeah, it is. It's where I've seen the best comedy done in the comedy store for sure. You know, just top level guys just joining in and the end of a show and just riffing and going wild and I love that room. And it's set up so good that low ceiling and all of it is set up well. But I've seen you have, you know, you've had like a bunch of older Jewish women in the audience before.

Oh, they love me. Yeah. Shout out to Jordan Michaels. What up Jordan? Yeah, probably bringing most of his answer in there. And you know, and just like different ages and then a bunch of younger people and then at times a more drunk audience. And yeah, those are always fun. You get away like there's always that feeling out portion that you have to do and that you've got your kind of open and set up for that. And then you, I see it, I don't know if,

how conscious are you of it, because I see it, I get to what you change the way that you're delivering, like either your speed or your volume or exactly what you're saying. I wonder if it just starts to happen naturally. I think it is a little bit of you seeing it, okay. I mean, I'm a high energy comedian anyway, and the biggest levy, and I've had to recently learn is to tone it down to actually bring my energy down a little bit,

because I go, go, go, go, go. Mainly because I want to get all my jokes in and the time I have, and I write too many goddamn jokes, and I fall in love with all of them. I'm like, I'm like a joke polygamist. I want to marry all of them. And so yeah, that's for me, but you know, it's sussing out an audience and it's nice to actually watch other comics before you. I hate opening because I just, I'm not the, I don't have the energy of an opener. I'm just not. And so I hate opening a show because you have no idea of how this audience is. They haven't gotten settled in.

They're not sure what they're in for, things like that. But if you can watch a couple of comics and you can read the room, you can see what's working, what's not, what energy. And it's not to say that you necessarily must tailor your set and your performance to the audience, but you also have to understand how to bring the audience in. A lot of it is, I mean, it goes back to, I mean, because I was, I was in acting school for years. And it's always about relationship.

And when you're on stage by yourself, there's only one person to be in relationship with. And that's the audience. You can't, you don't have a to be in relationship with, and that's the audience. You don't have a scene partner, you don't have multiple scene partners, you just have the audience. And so, if there's division, and when you have those low energy audiences that are like arms crossed, like make me laugh, there's division, and it's on you to bring down that wall, to engage, to get them to open up, to get them lively. And so that's kind of what I try to do more than anything. Crowd works, crowd work works really well with that.

Just even getting, asking a couple of questions, people feel energized. They're like, ooh, I'm interacting. It's not just a TV screen. Yeah, and if you pull that off like it's riskier, but it's more real. People's love the idea that you can just take a bit of information and turn it into something funny, which again comes back to the show that we do tonight and then also just stand up on the spot version.

Now the other night when you, we all went to watch stand up on the spot version. Now the other night when you we all went to watch stand up on the spot and we saw Some great comics Pete Holmes was there Rogan obviously Rogan headlining it Brian Cowan and and you know Some did better than others. I wish I remember that girl's name who was the opener. She was fantastic She just got the 50,000 of that girl's name. Who was the opener? She was fantastic. She just got the 50,000 Instagram followers, whatever. I loved her. Actually, both of the female comics, that's how they were really, really good.

Yeah. Because so much of that show is just, it's kind of mixing with the audience. And again, they're in relationship with the audience. They are talking to that crowd. They're getting it going like when one girl got target. And she was like, oh my God, I love you. She was like, and this is the whole, it was like this love affair.

Because she's like, I could talk about target for a million years. And this just goes on and all about all the things she loves about target. It was amazing. Yeah. And you, and that's a big part of it. You have to connect like that. And in a way,

that is some of the most beautiful things about training because if you're writing your own material, you've got it, right? So you know it, you know, if you read them and you can chat, but at any minute, if things go off the rails or even if you're bored and you just feel like you're in a really funny mood with the training of that show, you can just slip into something else and just go for it and see. 100%. It's the comedy roulette. I mean, good luck. And, you know, what better way to prepare for it.

Now, now, who would you say was the strongest performers that night and not to take anything away from people that weren't't but were there any surprises? Actually, I thought Pete Holmes was the strongest that night. He was very good was he was so funny And he even I mean yeah, because he made mention several times that he didn't think the crowd was feeling him And I was like are you insane? Oh, this is a dude this like doing Carnegie Hall and some shit and I was doing an 80 person room And I guess he wasn't I guess it wasn't what he was expecting or something. I thought he slated and I thought everybody was loving him

And I think I think Rogan was really strong too. Rogan just ranted. I mean, that's all Rogan did it might as it could have been his podcast Can be perfectly honest. Yeah, almost right. I really could have funny version of it. Yeah, Rogan was We're almost right. A really good version of it. Rogum was doing really well that night, especially well. He almost always delivers an excellent performance. He does something a little bit different. He has everybody raised their hands. It's almost like he's in school.

But I think he does that because so many of the people that go go to watch him and they often get a little bit too excited and they're like yelling everything. So it's chaos. So he I think he doesn't like I think he wishes that he didn't have to do it that way, but I think he gets a bit out of control. But he has he has an excellent flow. Once he gets it. It really does. Yeah, he really hits on some good things. I was trying to think earlier what some of the categories were that's that that stood out What was a Pete Pete Davies? That is named the area 51 guy. Oh No, no, no, Bob Lazar Bob Lazar what sounds like Pete Davies, so you know, yeah exactly the same Bob Lazar that was really fascinating.

That was just fascinating to listen to. Yeah, but the fact that he kind of turned it into a comedy bit was quite interesting too. Yeah. It was amazing. It was kind of funny. Yeah. What a flow. And what a brave setup.

I mean, you know, I just don't, I really don't get why, and when I first watched it, I almost didn't get why one anyone would do that show, but especially Joe and especially the higher level comics, like I've seen Eric Andre do it, I've seen Jake Holmes, you know. I think a lot of it is that they know like these people know Rogan, and you know, it's all about the technique of like oh shit He does that I'll try that or maybe he baits them in because obviously he wants to work on shows with people he enjoys I know that's a big part of it So he's he definitely pulls some people in Because I see people that like I've seen Tom Segura do it and he was amazing too, but he had no interest in doing it.

He was up there and he was like, I don't know why I'm doing this. This seems like a terrible idea. He was just like, all right, whatever, just throw out some ideas. Yeah, yeah. And then he was told stories that related to it. I was like, yeah.

He's got a story for everything. It was pretty amazing. Like it was stand up on the spot, it was just his life. He was like,, this this should happen Oh, yeah, this is what happened when my kid shit on me or blah blah blah blah and just tells this fucking story and it's just Everybody's engaged it was pretty interesting and then they just played very calm He stayed very calm and then he has his way of telling stories. Yeah, and and that's just his way of Like he he makes something funny out of it.

He gets silly and he just goes, I'm sure so much of that is just staying, I mean, it always is staying calm, right? When you're doing stand-up, you want to stay calm, but I mean, it's really like just letting maybe the fear flow right through you and just letting your mind and your brain tell a story. It's not out of body. I don't want to go too far, but when I was doing that show the other week, some of those stories while I was saying that I was like, oh damn, that's quite funny. Like it was coming out before I was really thinking about what I was saying. Well, you were in the zone. That's what happens when you're

in the flow, man. That's what happens when you're in the flow, man. That's what happens. You're just, like, these things just come out. It's like mania. I mean, it is kind of mania, you know? It's, and it just, like, you're almost, it's kind of out of body sometimes. Like, when it happens to me, my brain is just firing

on all cylinders. And I'm not even, like, it's just like, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. I'm not even having to think about it. It's like my brain is just working independently of me. It's just like, I got this motherfucker and go, you know? Yeah. And then when I'm not doing that, it's like, oh,

my brain is like, you on your own, bitch. Yep. Well, not even that. Your brain betrays you completely. It will delete every memory you've ever had. Every memory you've ever had. Because it's completely focused on. All these people are looking me stone-faced.

Like, they're a jury of 12 people who've just been given overwhelming evidence that I murdered 30 people. It really is like that. I mean, it is, it is simple as this. That is, is high of a high, as we've been talking about. The low of the low exists, and you will probably feel that more than the other one. Yet it still brings you back. It's like being a heroin addict, but only one out of seven baggies actually feels good. The others make you feel like you're gonna die.

Right. It's like they just send you through immediate withdrawal. Yeah, just, oh, I knew it. Like that would set no one would do drugs. Actually, that's not true. Everyone would still do drugs. They just take seven things of heroin it wants, but like, one of them's gonna do drugs. Actually, that's not true. Everyone still do drugs. They just take seven things of heroin it ones, but like, one of them's gonna do it. One of them's gonna be good.

I guess it depends how high that high is, but I mean, we stand up. It's a beautiful thing. And, you know, the way Joe talks about it on his part, it's not just a, I'm famous, listen to my podcast and come to the comedy store right he describes in great detail what comedy is what it does what the process is how they work through it and then he gets he's think of the comedians that he's made really big too for sure airy massive I mean the end don't get me wrong these are all incredibly talented people that definitely deserve this spot, but there was almost no way to get it out and to say, oh, we just have to wait for social media. Well, in a way, I mean, Joe is his own brand of social

media. He's the true kind of like servant leader. It's like servant leadership and not hit. He's got everything he ever want. So now he's really putting efforts towards helping other people, which is kind of, I feel like the epitome of the greatness of humanity. Somebody is like, I've got it all. Now let me just give to others and help you guys. Let me shine a spotlight on that.

It's pretty fucking cool actually. It really is and he's very down to earth because he's been in a very privileged position since like 94. That's what he got on a news radio. He's pretty much had money ever since. It wasn't till fear factor that he had what he likes to call fuck you money. The way he doesn't need anything else, and he can just pursue any direction. But supposedly he was always very generous and very giving and always made room for that. And that's pretty fucking cool that he didn't just get completely ahead of himself,

especially because it's easy to call Joe Rogan a douchebag. It's easy for people to be like, oh, it looks like a douchebag. But you know what? Someone that has been called that and looks a bit like it, to choose not to really act that way and be very kind and for the majority of his adult life, it says something. And it's that he's not a dishback he's definitely not a dishback Yeah, I mean while he maybe has his tendencies he sometimes comes out with some stuff But but no he's he's he's definitely a good dude and

Since we've had other big comics up there like Men's here for example. There was that famous incident with men's here. Did you ever watch the video where he called our men's here? I think I did ages ago. Yeah a lot of people have kind of, but it's been a while, right? Where was this again? Well, refresh my memory, I'm sure. I thought he was memory. Yeah, yeah, I think it was in the OR. Oh, okay. For a OR. And because men's ear stills jokes like crazy. Exactly. And especially as writers did, as writers used to come in and people knew who they were and they'd sit at the back of the room And it is an old story, but but we'll let it in again They sit at the back of the room and all of a sudden it would be on Comedy Central You know that week and it's it's men see acting it out. So they used to start to call him a

Mind of men's Thelia, which I think is brilliant and I guess I guess Rogom is on stage and Men's here either stole somebody's spot. He wasn't supposed to be Performing but he just came in that night and I guess he just wanted to go up and somebody introduced him as Men's Thelia so then he kind of got pissed, right? As you would. Because in the comedy community, this is not a good move. And he turns around and he's like kind of talking shit. And then for whatever reason, the video starts and all you see is Rogan's on stage, having it out with with Mencia. But I mean, imagine that kind of tension. It's unreal. Mencia is as big as a comic can get at that time. Joe isn't that big for a stand-up, but I mean he's known for fear fact and he's famous enough for sure.

Yeah. But I mean to an audience when you don't know someone's like what they're stand-ups about, but you just kind of know him from another show that's not really about comedy, sometimes you wonder what the hell they're even doing that. I mean most of that's just, yeah, most of that's just you not knowing the whole setup but I mean, you know, Joe must feel this at that time and Mencee is feeling like empowered like he can do anything and they just get into it. And he calls him out and they make it go live and And I guess he took some of our areas jokes and he took some of some other people's jokes. And that was it. That kind of collapsed them.

But that's how Joe got banned from the comedy store. They said you can't come back. He was gone for seven years for stinking over the comics. Good on Joe, man. Fuck men see you. Right. Fuck that guy. No one in the, nobody in the comedy community liked him.

At all, no one. No. I mean, zero, zero respect for him from anyone. He was the, he was the, he was the Ted Cruz of comics. Even his colleagues fucking hate him. Oh, can he be the Jeb Bush, please? Jeb Bush is so much better than Carlos would say. I just like out like lost in pathetic.

Jeb looks all the time like he's trying to be like, yeah, why? And he's like, why not? I just say, jeez. He's like, I was the good son. I stood up and didn't play sports. And fucking Harvard shit kicker is like, I'm gonna be president, fuck you.

Yeah, I'm drunk and I love baseball. And now we all wish we had him back. Yeah, God. But I don't. Yeah, exactly. And I love the fact that with that move, it's almost like, and not like Joe did on purpose purpose and not to make too big a deal out of it But he kind of sacrificed himself. He went away. He didn't like the store

He just left and ever since then that energy was left that message was left Yeah, and that video resonated and All of that shit stopped at the store. Now you know the energy better than me. Most of what I'm hearing is like hand it down, but as one of the comics at the store, describe the kind of environment and how you guys work together and the community.

It's a pretty tight-knit community. I'm obviously one of the up and coming comics, so I don't hang out with the big wigs or anything, but there is definitely a reverence from everyone. It's kind of, it's like the hallowed cathedral of comedy now. And I always, I've always watched stand up ever since I was a little kid. We were watched like the like comedy live or something on Fox Sunday nights. It was on after like the Simpsons and get a life and stuff like that. And I would always watch it, but I've never really bothered myself with the history of stand-up comedy. It's kind of like in college when I study theater, I hated theater history. And it's kind of the same thing with comedy. I didn't really study the history

of comedy, I studied the science of comedy. But do you get in there and you get, you immediately get and I, I try not to take it for granted because I was like my first show ever or my second show ever is like, I'm at the comedy store and then they book me for a bigger room. I'm like, oh, I'm here. Oh, this is easy. Blah, blah, blah. But it is like a hollow cathedral and most people know it and it's intimidating but it's

also a wonderful privilege to be able to get up on that stage where all the grades have performed. I mean, there are other names and their headshots are all around you. There's no getting away from how huge that place is. And again, it's the cathedral. And so you have a reverence and, uh, at least from my experience with all the other comics, there's such a support there. Everybody wants everyone to do well. Everybody is supportive and it's a good, it's a good little community. I mean, I've encountered an asshole or two,

and they generally, I don't know, I don't wanna say they wash out, but it's just not the best way to conduct yourself. And if you're gonna be an asshole, you better be the funniest motherfucker asshole ever because they're just looking for a reason not to invite you back. Yeah.

We do. Yeah, my just, I'll probably be just kind of like a community of abundance where everyone feels like everyone can do well. Yeah, I think so. And those that aren't going to do well or those that don't do well, you feel it. There's no bullshitting yourself when it comes to stand up. If I met a stand up comic that bullshit himself, I'd be amazed because you cannot

fight what is out there. You can't fight the audience. So most of the people that stick around are the ones that, you know, are pretty good and it's, it's pretty supportive. That's pretty close knit. I've made a lot of friends from that. I've made a lot of friends. I like that stand-up community. I want to make more, but I've met some really cool fucking people that think about life

in a really interesting different way, which I love. It's a really cool place to meet people that come at life sideways, that because comedy is a constant, constant, never-ending examination of life and the world. And everyone thinks about it in those terms. And so you meet a lot of really interesting smart people. And occasionally you get the big, oh man, oh, I'm on Tinder and I sent dick pics and this chick said that and they're like, well, but they'll wash out. But you get the people that are really interesting and have something really interesting to say. And those are these are people worth knowing man. For sure, I totally agree. And that's why I

love that change in energy from from what I've heard of other comedians talk about late 90s, early 2000s, where it was just this feast or famine mentality. Everyone was trying to get it on the late night show. We'll take over from a late night spot, you know, like, exactly, a Letterman. And, and there was just not that many, it was like getting HBO special and everyone's just clawing at each other for like stage time and spots instead of saying, hey, we can all do this, we can all do great, this is hard enough, there's almost none of us that exist. There's way more heart surgeons

than there are like paid stand-ups. I mean, it's a bit ridiculous. Way more. Yeah, it's such a uniquely specialized job that takes so long to learn. I mean, you know, to be fair You could go from no college to being Some level of surgeon and I don't know what the shortest amount of time is, but maybe 10 years you can do eight would be Under you know four undergrads. Sorry. I love you there either. What oh you can't hear me losing you We're doing a phone call to make this

Yeah, I can't I can't hear you really you can't hear me at all there you are you're back now there we go Okay, just just hang in there and make it work So basically how we're doing this podcast is Mark as a his house I'm a mine and we're just doing a phone call and then and then we sync it all up So yeah, they're with us. You should just you should just edit this out. Oh No, it doesn't matter. They can okay cool. They're gonna hear that the sounds a little different anyway So it's fine. We have listened to Vail on this masterful art that we have done Yeah, going going back to your...

Listen to more of my podcast, you realize there's no master veil on this one. There's no veil. There's no veil. It's a shitty target curtain for $10. Yeah, go and make to your point about, like there are more heart searchers than the paid stand-up comics.

People always used to ask me, like, because I'm from the southeast and people, well, I moved out here to be an actor. I don't do that anymore. But people like, how hard is it to make it in Hollywood? I was like, well, I think it's as easy to become a successful actor in Hollywood as it is to become the king of England. And they would all be like, laugh, and I would just look at them in the face and be like, no, I'm serious.

Like, you don't have any fucking clue how difficult this shit is. And I might put stand up like one degree below that to become a really successful stand up comedian. It's like becoming the king of England. The odds are astronomical. So it's really fucking hard. It's really fucking hard. It's really fucking hard. But you know what I do?

Don't this is what I like about it though. Just like, look, acting, of course you can learn. But you can learn to be a great actor and never get any roles. That you see a hundred percent, right? Yeah. People that know what they're doing. But with stand-up comedy, I don't believe that's true.

I believe that it is actually harder to learn. It is. I think it takes longer, but if you continually learn, continually find ways to grow, and I don't know if everyone can do it, but I think a lot of people can do it. Anyone that's made anyone else laugh ever, and was kind of surprised that they even managed to do it, can do this. surprise that they even managed to do it can do this. You will get something. You will get spots, you will get a show, you will get things you will learn. And so it's like, whereas maybe the acting end is more of a lottery, right? You learn the basic skills and then maybe just with the right positioning you get picked. This is different and that's what I like about it. There's some lottery aspect. I mean, there's a luck aspect for anything.

Two. Mostly, it's the hard work. It's what we're doing tonight. We're going to put ourselves out there. We're excited by Jeremiah what can show that Joe Rogan being up there. If he can say, I have all these millions, I could be at home with my family right now, but I'm gonna give you nobody's in the audience an opportunity to make me feel like an asshole. How the fuck can you not respect that shit?

Oh 100%, 100%. Yeah, you have to. Yeah, I'm so pumped for tonight, I can't wait. Just talking about this. Yeah, we should do Wednesday one of these Right before the show every time and assume we a good signal love that all right guys listen Thank you so much for joining in and allowing us the waffle on to talk about comedy But I really I just wanted to give a shout out. This is a Joe Rogan experience review podcast This is one of his major skill sets, his stand up comedy.

Mark and I love it to death, and I have a lot of respect for how he goes about it. And I think he inspires a lot of other good comics, and he definitely gives them a voice so that we all get to hear them, and more laughter is better. So thank you, Mark Mark for joining me today. Appreciate it brother.

Thank you man, thank you for having me. And thank you guys for downloading. Talk soon. Peace. Cheers. you