Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - Joe Rogan Experience Review of Joe's impact on Hunting

Episode Date: July 25, 2019

Joe has just got back and with all this time away hunting I decided to talk about it. I've been a bow hunter since I was 18 years old and was very excited when Joe first started talking about hunting back in 2012. It's such a passion of mine that it was cool to see him get so into it. Today I'm joined by my good friend Mark (a fellow comic) who's not all that into hunting to get a different perspective on it. As always we end up talking comedy but what are you going to do! lol Enjoy my review folks! Follow me on Instagram at www.instagram.com/joeroganexperiencereview Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6ilK4Zrqk2ZeowbOo7pXgw? Please email me here with any suggestions and questions for future shows..

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So at least he is back. That's also apparently a really good place to leave a dead body in the truck's car and airport. I read that in a Jack Reacher novel but I I was like, you know what, that makes sense. Sometimes you just hear something and you're like, of course, that makes perfect sense. Like usually it's religion, but sometimes it's getting rid of a dead body.

It's not a big deal. That's it. I always think that when I'm in the parking lots of airports that like how many of the cars here either have a dead body in the back or a load of cocaine There's a ton of shady shit that goes on people land they drop stuff off They it's got to be like that absolutely because if if The people who work in the parking lots if they're working I think is anything like the people who work inside the airport

There might be cars there from the 70s lots. If they're work ethic is anything like the people who work inside the airport, there might be cars there from the 70s. It's so true. My girlfriend always gets up, but she always gets on because we'll park at a drugstore parking lot and then walk to this bar and she's like, aren't you worried that something might happen in the car? I'm like, I can't even get these fuckers to like get me some hydrocortezone cream and less than an hour. You think they're gonna go to the trouble?

You're having a cartoed? I think not. No, they don't even go outside. I think they live in the store. Hell yeah, they live in the store. It's like CVS trolls. But yeah, so Joey is back. He's doing something. He is back. Still no podcast though. So today we're gonna have a conversation, Mark and I, and

Mark's gonna be showing up on this podcast a lot more moving forward. And yeah, we're gonna talk a little bit about hunting. We're gonna talk a little bit about some mix-ups and comedy at the moment, and some things I know about really what got Joe Inter hunting. So without further ado, let's start this review. Alright, I really have to stop saying without further ado. Let's stop with you. I forget that it rhymes and it's so stupid Every time I say it. No, that's so all the sudden. That's just your tagline. And now yeah, I'm stuck with it I apologize to anyone listening if you're like that's dumb. Yes, I agree as well And I will try to remember to is dumb but in this way. Yeah, here we are. Yeah Here we are. Yeah.

Here we are, making it through. Making it through. Now, Mark, what is your background with hunting? If you ever done any, do you know? Yeah, I'll tell me. Film me. So I grew up in the South Eastern United States. So I grew up in Atlanta, did a little time in Tennessee for high school, went to college

in Alabama, I actually did live for like six months in Alabama before high school. So we moved around a little bit. We were Southern nomads. And obviously hunting is incredibly popular in the South-eastern United States. However, I was raised by a mom who, even though she was from South Carolina, was more of a Yankee than most Yankees that live in the North Eastern United States, complete and utter like, stob about everything. And so she was not, you know, she had a huge influence on my life, obviously. And so she was not, you know, she had a huge influence on my life, obviously. And so she was not for hunting, she had a big animal rights activist, so I wasn't really

for hunting either. It just kind of seemed like something other people did not. Me. However, as any kid growing up, the like movies, and I was one of them. I had a fascination with guns because you know action heroes had guns and stuff and I got a pellet gun What like I don't know my dad bought it for me Much to my mom's trick grin and so I got a pellet gun and this was when I was in Alabama as a kid And I had a buddy live down the street couldn't tell you his name if my life depended on it but we went over to his house

and it was a rifle and a rifle and had a scope on it so automatically I was the coolest dude in the world because I was like a sniper and we thought it would be really cool to try it out and so and I and I guess, well, I was 12, maybe not, I don't even think I'd turn 13. And there was a bird in his tree. And we decided that we would use it for target practice. And I'm sorry I'm laughing because this is actually really fucking horrible.

But yeah, we shot the bird. I shot the bird. This goat was pretty good. It was a pretty good shot. Actually hit the bird. Nice. Felt horrible about it. I mean, devastated. Absolutely devastated that I just taken the life of this innocent creature who was doing fuck all to to anyone. He was just singing in a tree. I mean, I can't really feel like- Yeah, man.

I guess it's like a necessarily cruel though, I would say. Yeah, I mean, but I'm just like, if I were just singing in my bathroom and somebody came in and just shot me, it'd be like the fuck, I wasn't doing anything. It's my own fucking business. You popped a cap in my ass. But here's the best part.

I went on like a field trip like a month or two later to some nature reserve and they were showing us endangered animals that were indigenous to Alabama and low in bulls. Oh shit. The bird I shot was one of them. Uh-huh. So at that point, I went from just being like

feeling really guilty to being like War criminal So that's my hunting story and I'm not I don't I've shot a gun since then and like a gun range once But I've not shot an animal or anything. I did hit the squirrel once but that was his fault He thought he would play linebacker to my 1994 Honda Accord and even though that car was a piece of shit it won it won't attack them The road road killed doesn't count. Yeah exactly. So I'll kill those in count

I think you hit something on the head there. I mean, there is that child, the childhood fascination with guns, you know, you see action movies, you see guns. I remember that like I grew up in England with a vegetarian family and my dad was a pacifist. So yeah, playing with guns and even the idea of that and hunting was not on the table at all. It was talked about in a very negative light. And that's the thing. There's pro hunters, and then there's, and then there's people that are anti-h hunters. There's very rarely people kind of shrugging their shoulders in the middle. It's just a topic where people are passionate, you know, and this is where that misunderstanding kind of comes from.

So, but in a lot of ways you find that there's passion and love for animals on both ends of it, and that was something cool that I learned about hunting as I got kind of more into it. But yeah, there's that childhood kid fascination and then shoot a bird. Of course, you got a gun, you're going gonna shoot out a bird or something or a squirrel. And yeah, you're probably feel bad about it. You're gonna have emotions about it. You know, you're understanding life and death and all the rest of it. And it's kind of, you know, you go one way or another, but there is something that jewels us to it. It's in our DNA. To hunt this. It is. It is. It has to it. It's in our DNA. To hunt it is in our DNA, it has to be. Well, I mean, we got this far.

We descend from hunter-gatherers and for all but 2% of human existence hunting was... Of course. That was the way you got food. So, I mean, we're omnivores. I don't care. What anyone says, look at our teeth. We have the teeth of omnivores. We have the digestive enzymes of omnivores

were meant to digest both plants and meat protein like that. That's a part of things. And let that be. She does eating oysters, you gotta hunt the meat. I mean, you do. You do? You do, I mean, even just comes to fishing. Like, you know, Tom, you fishing. Tom hangs the cast away.

He might have been a vegetarian, but then he got fucking hungry. You know what I mean? Yeah. But yeah, I need a lot of coconuts to stay alive. Yeah. As far as hunting goes, I don't love it, but I kind of understand that there are times when it's a necessary evil. And that's kind of the point with really a lot of hunters today, Joe Rogan, his turn on to hunting was about, I think, it was like 2012 was the first time he went hunting.

Yeah. And he went, he went, I think rifle for deer, if I believe it, because I remember him talking about on the podcast. Mm-hmm. And ever since then, he's fallen in love with it. Now he went with a guy called Steve Renella. He's a very well-known hunter who produced a show Meetita, which is a really well-done show. The narration in that show, it's

almost like Anthony Bulldain's parts unknown cooking show. It's not just about cooking, but it's like interesting philosophy. Steve Rinala does that very well in his own way but with the show Meetita. And on it was another guy called Dan Dodie. And Dan Dodie has been on Joe's podcast a couple of times and has this men's group organization called Everyman. And that was the men's group organization that I was a part of after hearing him on Rogan I knew that Dan Dodie was very good friends with an old old friend of mine from high school many many many years ago And they did it in town.

I flew out because I was in tight to meet them and like chat with Dan and see what this men's group stuff was about I don't know. I was so weary of it. I was so like, what the fuck is this? Is this like a cult thing? But you know, my friend was all in and loved it. And I respected him a lot. And after I got to understand it, I'm like, okay, cool. I see also why Joe really likes this guy. He's real honest and like, you know, just he's a man, you know, he hunts, but he's also like connected to his feelings and has these groups and he's a fascinating guy, really. But it was cool because I get to talk to him first hand about what it was like for like,

like taking Joe hunting for the very first time. And that's, that's like a pretty cool story. It's cool to hear anytime somebody first gets into it. But what's good about Joe doing it is that He's an out of it is such an advocate for things that he loves. Yeah, like anyone You know, I get passionate about things I like so do you and When when he gets to understand something he's coming at it from an adult mindset I mean, I think he must have been in his 40s when he first went. So he's had a whole life without hunting and now he sees this new thing and he was up against the wall. He he decided that he didn't

want to do the factory farming shit anymore. He didn't like it. Right. He liked the idea of that all the food coming from there. So he's either gonna be a vegetarian or he was gonna start hunting his own meat. And I think that's a cool. That I really, I mean, that I really respect. I really do. That's really putting your money where your mouth is in terms of.

And it wasn't about, oh, I want to shoot animals. I know, like he started with the idea of like, OK, but now I have to see what it's like to go get this meet yourself and we'll even enjoy it. And of course he chooses the hardest discipline eventually, which is the bow hunting. And I even bow hunting since I think I was like 17, so that's 20 years. Really? Well, we had it, we had him in New Mexico when I went to high school then. We all used to bow hunt. Oh, I had no idea. I had no idea about that. That's really cool. We'll start calling you like this. It's so fun. It's so fun. Shooting a bow is something else. Shooting guns is great.

Oh yeah. It's something about the intricacies and the fine tuning and everything of a bow. Bow is much harder. It takes a lot longer to get good at it. That I certainly believe. Well, and I think there's somebody to be said in terms of hunting for yourself, hunting for your own meat, for your family, as it were, like if you were in the zombie apocalypse. Like I've long, long come to terms of the fact that I have zero discernible skills that would aid me in the zombie apocalypse. Like I've long, long come to terms of the fact that I have zero discernible

skills that would aid me in the zombie apocalypse. I'm a writer and a comic. So I have zero skills, but you know, knowing how to hunt and dress and things like that would come in really handy. But I will say trophy hunting, I feel is utterly desppeccable and I want nothing to do with it and I just don't see the point I don't see the point in killing These beautiful creatures that you're not gonna eat you're gonna you're gonna take a picture with put it on Facebook or God damn Mounted on your wall that I can't get behind just don't like it. It's just to me. That's that one's that one's

Squirly. It's just it's barbarism for barbarism sick and I can't stand it I just I love it when I see you know see these tarded up Idiots some dentist in Minnesota like holding up a you know a lion or a tiger or you see that you know the horrible poaching of elephants that which are such sweet creatures and like No, I just now I mean I'm not a vegetarian and you know chickens are you know for the most part pretty stupid and so I'm like yeah I've killed them go, but there's some of these are really precious creatures and And I love that I just absolutely

and I love that. I just absolutely love trophy, aren't you? Let's save for the sake of what it is that we don't understand the full story of that. It's easy for us to see it on the outside and be like, yeah, that's fucked up. Why would you shoot that? You rich Westerners. Pretty much. All the things that you said, right? But then you hear those stories of like, okay,

so there's a big group of rhino in this area And one of the older males that's no longer breeding is running around killing other males so within that area they usually will send in somebody to take the rhino out So they can do it for zero dollars or they can auction it off and Let's say they sell it for 50,000 portion goes to Some of the villages around and this is all hypothetical

I don't know if it works like this, but I've heard similar stories when people try to try to Just kind of like inform me of like oh sometimes it works like this in these areas. Then you get the habitation portion of it where they're trying to bring back more endangered species like some of these elephants and so on. No, and that's with the conservation. And I get on conservation. And use it. Yeah, I think that there but I think that I've there's some, there's a true. Well, and I just, there, don't know. I think there is.

And if we're, so that's operating under that hypothetical, let's just assume that's right. And, you know, for the sake of the conversation. And if it's not, then obviously everyone listening should know that this is, these opinions are based entirely upon that hypothetical and not based on anything else. The world is not black and white. It's gray and there are things that happen and I loathe the idea that even though you so let's say you have that right now that's going crazy and killing other males but he won't breed and you have a population problem happening and this is a solution and then the choice is to make happening and this is a solution and then the choice is to make $50,000 off it or zero which would mean that it probably there might be some black market shit going on.

Does that encourage more poaching? That's the question but But I also understand the $50,000 might go a long way towards those conservation efforts. So it's this weird double-edged sword hypothetical that may or may not be real. And I get it. But I don't necessarily do. Either way, I think it needs to be very carefully monitored. And it's hard to do.

Now in the US, they do a much better job. They do. In the US. You're a much better job like they do in the US They do hunting that I've experienced in multiple states is very well organized very well regulated to yeah, you get tags We actually the US has the most money like within the billions a year for conservation and no other country raises that now It here's here's a good example of something similar to what I was just saying about what happens in Africa. Other countries like England and European ones

that are very conscious about the environment and recycling and all this can't raise anywhere near the money for animal conservation as the US can. Because the US is making their money from the hunt attacks and these licenses and all the rest of it to hunt just a few. So we actually have the best kept preserves in the US. I say, we I'm a citizen, so I'm allowed to. Absolutely. But that's how it works, right? So the idea is sound. It's almost like, wow, when, when, let's say, Peter would like, let's ban all hunting forever.

Cool. Of course. Like that's your, that's your end game. Imagine if they did that and then all of a sudden, conservation money drops a hundred times all home to where they're like, shit, we can't, we can't maintain any of these areas. Right.

Because of this might, it's almost like, that's another example, almost of like, you know, it's kind of a catch-22 in a weird way, especially if you're anti-hunting. Well, it's definitely a consideration, and there's always, there's one more, there's always more caveats to the story than what it is on its surface. But I would say, as a general rule, I'm against trophy hunting, but I understand hunting for conservation and poor food Yeah, well at least as at least as no real like they don't do trophy hunting in the US like you I don't believe the at least in well

You know the the Elken you the deer heads on the walls and that's I don't know that's a little barbaric for me That's just oh I know that and that's and that's a little barbaric for me. That's just oh I know that's that's trophy-ish stuff. It is it is and I think it's just because it's so difficult though Especially if you get one with a with a bow. I mean I wouldn't say that I know and I know plenty of people in New Mexico that have you know racks. I don't own any. I never kept any of mine. And in some ways, it's like to them, it would be more disrespectful. It's like I didn't care enough. Mostly it's not bad, I moved around a lot and I didn't know how to carry a bunch of horns everywhere, but I know hunters that will keep them all because it was like the story of that hunt.

And it's kind of like the honor of like they they worked for it. You don't always get something when you go out there. It's very, very difficult. It's hard. It's not just like a bunch of fat guy smoking cigars and then they're like, there's one shoot it. It's just exactly what you say. It's hard to work in that. Yeah, it's it's your force. It's so so there is like that bit of appreciation, but it just it comes across so ugly when you Instagram a picture of you, you sell smiling next to it. Just hold it. Yeah, totally totally. Nobody's thinking about all the work that you put in, how long that was, how this shot was just you trained for like so long to get into the right position and be able to take it down. And this was your one, you know, kill for the year on that tag.

And it just means the world to you and you're gonna keep all of the meat and give it to your family and friends. And it's gonna be a big thing, you know, it's gonna be a big deal. None of that passion comes across in that photo to people that don't do it. So I get it. It's a- Right, I mean- I mean, the only thing that comes It's a right. I mean the only thing that comes across is Yeah, no the only thing that comes across is the dead thing that they're holding Yeah, you know, yeah, but I think look Joe Joe does a really good job at describing this when when he talks about What hunting is to him and why he does it and why he

believes in it and how the conservation stuff goes and he has these hunters on, I think it really has helped at least open people's eyes to the idea of these things and at least taking a little bit away from the idea that it's just this barbaric event. Like what's really barbaric is all the meat you ate this week. That's fucking way worse than anything hunters are doing. But we just don't think you're doing. No, it's true. I guess it's a side out of my food. So whatever.

Yeah. It's gross what goes on in those places. And that's the shit we don't talk about. It's almost like those places have the animal rights people in the hunters fighting with each other Well, they just stand at the side and go yeah, absolutely absolutely is the idea of fighting over table scraps Well somebody feasts inside is like your problem isn't with the other person who wants you know fighting for the table scraps Probably with the person inside the mansion that won't share their whole, you know

This person inside the mansion that won't share their whole, you know I would say anybody that you don't have to hunt but but if you ever get the chance to just even go with some people doing it You know you'll be hiking you'll be camping there be like an experience with it if you leave and you're truly disgusted Falling you know that's that's your choice and that's that's excellent because then I would say it's a very informed choice Like you got to see it up close and you're like no, but right I would really recommend it because I think that you would see it Quite differently, you know, it would be like anything. It's like going to a different country when you don't understand somebody's culture Emerson yourself in and some sort of celebration that they do that we think is kind of barbaric and messed up, and then you're like, oh shit, I understand

where this is coming from now. I see what's happening, and you'll see these guys, all gals, like a lot of women hunt too. You're like, wow, I have a lot of respect for these animals. It's not, it's like, yeah, shoot them in the head. It's not any of that. It's not totally. I mean, Native Americans, I remember this coming to my fifth grade class and they were talking about how they paid such respect to the animal. And it was a huge thing paying respect to these animals,

you know, seeing like a prayer over their body, thanking them for their sacrifice, and then using every damn part of the animal, because they were like, this is not something we want to do, but if we have to do it, obviously, we go after either one of the oldest ones or the one of the ones lagging behind. So the strong ones continue to reproduce,

they continue to be fit, and then they pay complete respect to that animal sacrifice. And that was obviously from a time when you hunted, that was how it was. You hunted or you die, the hunter gatherer time. So much of it. And I think it's wonderful tradition. Absolutely. Really wasted today. We just mostly eat muscle because it's like I know easy to deal with

I mean I remember this I really used The car to live start you can boil all that down bone Man, he was stuck in the licious they used the brain because that was because it's more of a curiosity I had I'm like what do you use the brain for? And they actually used brain matter is almost like a primer on hide for painting. Like if they were going to do any art or illustration work or anything like that for their rituals, they use brain as like a primer. as like a primer. It was the damn weirdest that yeah, I'll never forget it in my entire life.

They would put it on like a cool fact that as a kid you just get given. Yeah, I'm never gonna forget this. This is sweet. Exactly. Yeah, it was one of those cool things that I'll just always remember. Well, it's almost like we're going to going back to it.

You see more organ meat now in stores. You can buy bones again and real nice restaurants are starting to serve like bone marrow, you know, they give you big things of bone and you get some bread and then, you know, you're like scooping out the marrow and it's really good. It's like super delicacy and that shit that you just used to chop. Well, it's so nutritious. I don't know why I'm going to get I'm gonna get it should be nutritious, huh? Yeah, so I mean it's really the muscle is Other than all the protein which it has has a lot of protein which is very good You want a lot of protein and it's some fat. It doesn't have a ton of nutrients meat is pretty nutrient dense, but

Organes have a lot more Minerals in of bone maridos especially as well so there's other parts that are like more it's just not as tasty you got to work with like a liver to make it taste good it's like fuck what am I doing with this we need a lot of that crap in England though you know liver and I know you're taking kidney pie yeah we're all about that I know it's just part of our culture

We still do it. It was always yeah, we did that until MSG made its way over and they're like wait it can taste good fuck this shit Yeah, but you know it's almost the same thing like not to say that a bow hunter Today has the same reverence and understanding as like a Native American because they sure, and it guarantees it was their culture, it was their life, it was what kept them alive, it was built into all the beautiful things that they celebrated. But in another way the hunters today, if you get your animal, I mean, you're either but're either butcher yourself which is quite a lot of work

Especially if it's an hour or so those things are massive or you'll take it to a butcher that you know or trust Always close to the site where you where you killed it Yeah, it's probably well known and they give you like a price per pound for prepping it But they do a lot with it and they give you the option to have the bones and you can take the organs and when it's yours if you have the freezer space most hunters will keep as much as they can. Absolutely. As much as they can use. I mean the fight gets thrown away because nobody fucking knows what to do with that shit. Really. You're like, all right, we've lost the skill. I worked on, I worked on it. I've worked on so many reality shows and one of them was like a last-to-lastkins and they would talk about how they'll go hunting and they

have a they have a short season and then they have to cure the meat because that lasts them the year. Like this is our meat for the this gets us through six months. And that was like that was like a real frontier living. Like, they didn't, they didn't even like cameras there. I mean, they accepted that they were there because they were documenting what was happening. But that, that was real frontier living. That's just how it was. Like, there was, it wasn't that, you know, crew wasn't feeding them. Crew wasn't giving them, you know, or helping them out or flying in a bag of Doritos or anything. They were simply their document and to interview them.

That was it. It was pretty interesting. And you know, a lot of these, and they were, it was from Inuit tribes. So some of the people weren't anymore. Some of them were just like white people that were sick of living in a goddamn city. And they're like, fuck it.

I'm gonna go live in the goddamn wilderness. But it was true. that's how they lived. I mean, there was no, it wasn't like, a lot of reality is bullshit, but I think when you look more like your documentary, like Discovery Channel, History Channel, things like that, those are more, I wouldn't even call this reality as much as documentary programming. That's real. Like, because they're not manufacturing drama, this is just like, this is what happens in their lives and they just cut it so it're not manufacturing drama. This is just like, this is what happens in

their lives. And they just cut it. So it's not incredibly boring. But there's no, it's not like the bachelor where they're trying to, you know, get the delete tribesman to a fight with an elk or something like that and they haven't killed the elk for good TV. It's like, they have to fight. They have to eat, that's it. Imagine the unique perspective you get if you went and kind of lived like that, even for a month. I mean, you'd realize so fast, holy shit, we are so fragile. Like getting your own meat is hard as hell. I've gone hunting before, I've done an entire week elk hunting, but it was basically like we hadn't missed the rut it just hadn't

started yet like the temperature was off it was super hot. They only give you they give you like a set of time right so you get like maybe there's two lots of time for a particular area and you'll do like the 14th to the 20th and then the next group will do like the 21st to like the 26th or whatever the times are. And what they try and do is time it for the rut and the rut is when the elk are breeding. So they're kind of out of their mind. They're just like horny as fuck. It's the one time a year that they breed and they're basically it's because they're a little bit sloppy. They're not paying attention. Sure, as'm orange because yeah, they're horny and they're doing that thing people like well

That's cool when they're horny. I'm well look you can't fucking get them with a bow any other time a year Are you kidding me is the number of times? I've been horny and I was like just someone kill me Perfect time I'm doing them in favor, what you do, you find an old mature bull. Elk, that's what you're looking for, male. That's had plenty of seasons of breeding and it's maybe his last or maybe as a couple more. And instead of like slowly just breaking your leg or getting old and getting attacked and eaten by a wolf

or some awful way, because everything dies in a horrendous way in nature. I'm afraid it's horrible. To go like that just stood up majestic and poosh just done in one second. I mean there's like a beautiful grace to it in a way. It just is but if you miss that window and it's too hot they all go up into the hills then you're hiking the whole time every shot is basically impossible you don't even get close it's a nightmare it's so difficult and I remember when I did it that time I was like okay so you can only really get these animals once a year we have more advanced bows than we would have had a thousand years ago of course right now we I don't believe that we're as good at hunting even the good

hunters and forgive me if you're a hunter and you're listening and you're very good and you think that you'd be better than a hunter a thousand years ago. You you might be right I don't know but my guess is when you do it all the time and it's your life and it's the only way you eat even with shitty equipment you're really good with it you're fucking excellent. You had to track these things, you know, to get on them. But I was like, we didn't get shit. We would have fucking starved the death.

Like, obviously we could just reach in our pocket and get little snack bars and cliff bars. But it's just great, man. Yeah, right. Just call it out. I was a drone. Amazon just drones in a sandwich. I know. Oh, God. We're so as a drone. Amazon just drones in a sandwich. I know, oh god, we're so fucked.

We're so fucked. But it really made me think I just had not put it together. I was like, well, with modern technology, we should be in abundance. Now, don't get me wrong. If you have a rifle, you're in a lot better position. And it takes slightly less skill, though. It's still difficult, and you can be further away,

and you could probably get more animals but you know it really gives you a respect for how smart and fast and agile and really just the intelligence of these things I mean you don't think of an elk being smart you're like well it must be like a cow it's gonna be pretty dumb no it's a head of you that's it's worth it knows when you're coming You have to be there's a really a lot of luck that goes into it, to be honest. Oh, I believe that. I believe that for absolute certainty. Yeah, a ton. And that's why I think again, it's so important to have someone like Steve Rinella that did the show meet. He's introduced Joe because of his description to everything. And then Joe be able to come back

and talk about this while basically living in LA and being in LA comic. I mean, this isn't the type of thing people, you know, are super behind in LA. They're like, no way, you know, it's a very liberal area. And this is just not a dialogue that is discussed. So it's nice to have a little bit of conversation without people getting really heated. And I'm not saying he's changing a lot of minds, but at least he's just highlighting what it is. And I appreciate that from the hunt to standpoint,

I'm glad that we have people that do that. Well, you know what, in a world where so many people have their minds made up about a subject, they might not even know about it until they're asked about it. I was telling someone the other day, I was like, we live in such an opinionated culture that people have an opinion about something they don't even know about. But if you ask them, they're like, well, this has got to be it, because this is just how my brain feels. And so for someone to actually go out of their way to open up their mind to something that is foreign to them, I actually think it's very mature. And I think it's a good way to look at the world.

It's how we should be speaking. And recently, as you know, Joe has been having these kind of almost like panel discussions, but not really, like they have two people with kind of opposing ideas, and they talk back and forth. And now some of those get heated, some of those have got a little ugly,

and there's been some kind of, I think even Rogan is still trying to get the kinks out of it, but he mediates quite nicely, he lets people talk and try to talk over each other. And it's bringing adult conversations to these very emotional topics and that's how we've got to do it. I think so. It really is.

I mean, this is also a good segue to bringing up what something you mentioned earlier that we should talk about What's the name Dina Hashem? Yeah, I never I never heard of her. No, that's not to say she's Not good because I I quickly study up on her and she's very good But yeah, I don't know how to say her name But yeah, this is an example of it. This is an example of people getting very very upset Taking something out of context jumping all over someone with threats before they've gone hold on a minute This is just a comedian. So you want to if you want to fill us in fill us in for those that don't know Mark and then and then we're

Disgusting. Yes, yes. So her name is here. I wrote it down. Because I just texted it to you. Dina Hashem. I think it's Dina Hashem. She made a joke about a rapper. I'd never heard of him.

I can't even remember his name. Apparently he was fairly popular, fairly famous. Or do we call him a hip hop artist? I'm going to call him rapper now. It's not one of those rap music things. It's hip-hop now, mom. It's hip-hop. You're so lame.

But sadly, he was on his way to buy a car and he got murdered. And Dina's joke was that you know he was almost when he had fifty thousand dollars in cash and he was on his way to buy a car with that cash and was murdered and they took the fifty thousand and she she said and you know and that's actually just a really you know that's a really good ad for Venmo it's like oh I don't have Venmo I should get that and I read it and I laughed out loud. I was like that, really clever and funny. And yeah. And I will go back to, and I think, and I always go back to Dave Chappelle because he is

everything to me. And he was talking about, it was back in his old, one of his Netflix specials. And he was talking about his, um, the transgender jokes he made. And he was mentioning a letter he received from a transgender fan that said, you know, we're very excited about your show or excited to come see it. And then you made this joke and we were devastated. And you know, and that weighed on him. And then he, but then he made this excellent point. And he goes, you know, folks, as a policy, I don't feel bad for any of the shit I say up here. And I love that because and you say me a clip of this comic, I hear rumors, but he was like, that's our job. It's what we do. It's what we do on stage. You make those jokes. You make any joke you can't. You've got to try them out. You've got to get through them. Yeah, that's how you shouts

Yes, yes, and you often come out of New York and is unapologetic and he's funny as fun Yeah, and I'll make and I'm a Full-throated confession. I use comedy to deal with grief. I use comedy to deal with difficult uncomfortable situations I've cracked a joke at every close family member's funeral that I have lost. And it wasn't, now first of all, I come from a whole line of just tricksters and funny people. So I don't think there would be any problem with them on the other side thing and that was disrespectful. It's how I pay respect. But it's also how I deal with grief.

And at the end of the day, you get to say whatever the fuck you want up there because somebody's always going to be offended and then some people are going to go out there and laugh. And that jokes for them. Yeah. And make it funny. That's the point. Make it funny. Make it funny.

If you tell a joke like that Well, you're just making fun of someone that just got shot or OD or whatever. Yeah, that sucks Right, that's not cool, but if it's fucking hilarious then there's therapy in it Right, and obviously I didn't know that rapper. I wasn't yeah, and maybe if he was my best friend I'd be more bummed, but I'd like to think that I know comedy best friend I'd be more bummed but I'd like to think that I know comedy better than then I would know the frustration I would have. Fallen that. And the crux of the joke is don't carry that much cash on you.

It's like that's what was so funny because it was like he was robbed for the cash so I don't know he was Venmo. That's funny. Yeah. And you know I was thinking this right before we sat down to do this. Keith Richards will die one day. We might not be there for it, but he will die one day. And there will be a parade, nay, a stampede of comics, dropping as many Keith Richards is dead jokes as humanly

possible. There might be records set, the number of people that will come out of the woodwork to drop Keith Richards is dead jokes. And I can't imagine that there will be that much of a chorus if people upset about it, because he has this whole thing that's just been destroying his body, you know what I mean? Right Yeah, like about time like how did he manage it exactly and I doubt anyone will be if I can't I mean I I'm a huge Rolling Stones fan. I won't be offended the dude lived forever now I mean obviously this this gentleman that was you know killed probably was gone way too soon

But it just gets an awful crime. I mean no, it's not It is and like of course it's all fucked up like it's not cool Somebody got shot they got killed, but I mean the fact that set this poor girl who is an excellent comic is getting death threats That's all she said that is outrageous. This is a joke. This is a joke. Damn joke. What would you do?

What would you do in a situation where if you got death threats? Laugh. I'd be so fucking proud that shit would be on my Instagram. I'd repost everything. I think I'd be like, come out my tracking. You know how you can turn on your GPS, on your phone, on your tracking. I would just have like a flashing blue dot

and I don't know if there's an app, but I'd allow everyone to just know where I am all the time. And I'm like, that's how I can be. Shoot me then. And come at me, bro. Yeah, nobody's killing anyone over a joke. You'd be absolutely out of your mind if you even balled it.

100%. No, unfortunately, there are many people out there who are out of their minds So the true but I don't think that's a connection that's happening. No, that's fucking horrible Hit it head on and this poor girl and you know it sucks comedy central didn't even like defender They have any they have not released a statement supporting her or anything. It's like you are comedy Central comedy like you got to back your comedians, you got to back your, you got to back, I probably culprit central before. Of course they are. Of course they are. Pussies. Yeah. It's sad. But I think this is why people need to come together. This is why we need to talk about it right now and that's why

people need to come together. This is why we need to talk about it right now and that's why we're choosing to do it. I also think in Joe, I guarantee Joe Rogan will talk about it this week and they go out to a millions of people. And I make a point that hold on a second, like this is what comedy is. We can't be apologizing for it. It's, you know, I feel like when something like this happens and people push back, all the comments should start writing jokes like this. I think that's a great support. Yeah, well I think at the end of the day, I love your point that make it funny because you mean if you're gonna go into that controversial area make it funny but at the end of the day, If you're gonna go into that controversial area, make it funny, but at the end of the day,

you don't get to tell me how to do my art. And whatever you think of comedy, or whatever you think of, any other type of art, it is an art form. It is. It's writing, it's performing, and you are naked. Like, it is all you. It is all your work, it is your performance. You don't get to tell me how to do my art You get to you know and you know what in terms of art she made some mother fuckers feel some shit She made some people laugh she made some people riled up But that's what art does and you might not like it. She made everyone laugh. She did because it's a great goddamn joke What you do is is basically what you're saying is this you don't let one person in the room tell you how to do your art

It's a room that tells you so if mostly everyone in a room laughs as a comedian You know I've got something here. This is a joke. Let's work this right if five people in the room get really butter about it You're like, well, okay, that's how it goes. Now, obviously, don't make it overtly ratio or bigotry or like something that's very specific to a religion because that's lazy and that's bullshit. But if it's, yeah, not funny.

It's just stupid, it really isn't. But if you're just crushing with the line like that, you can't let these two or three people. They're going to mone about everything. Everyone's going about. If they were the audience, if they were the rating system, the judges for all comedy, you wouldn't be allowed to say anything. Nothing would be funny. Nothing would be funny like a Disney cartoon. It'd be horrific. Horrific. Now I like the idea that the times have changed, that there are jokes Eddie Murphy did and Delirious Raw, that you just,

you don't do anymore, because it's kind of small-minded and it just doesn't, it's not the fabric of the world has changed. It's just not really that funny anymore. Because, and my girlfriend puts this best, comedy is about punching up, never punching down. That's why there's so many comedians are political,

because you're going after the establishment, you're going after government, the aristocracy, the proletariat, the establishment. You're punching up. And I think racial jokes and gay jokes and jokes about women, misogynistic jokes, I feel like that's punching down. And again, I'm very much of the opinion, no one gets to tell you how to do your art at the same time.

I think comedy thrives when it's punching up, when it's going after those people that need to be taken down a peg. And this girl wasn't going, she wasn't doing any, she wasn't punching, she wasn't punching down. She made a great joke about Venmo. But even if it was punching down, if it's a good enough joke, if it's clever, he's the thing. The more offensive it is, the clever it needs to be. This is why Andrew Saltz is good, because here go after women a little bit, or like women that he's dated. He's like picking on them for doing things, which some people get upset about.

They're like, well, you're a white man and you have already the white male privilege. But that's his experience. Yeah, and he's just poking at different, but he's like bringing him in. He does it in a very clever way. And you can tell there's no hate, there's no, like, he has no real disrespect. He's just observational. And it's clever.

He is a good example of how you do that right now. The problem is, it's much easier to do it wrong and more people would do it wrong. So it makes sense that generally as a whole, you're gonna group that whole kind of comedy and say, no, that's out the window. Because that's always bad. Well, yeah, most of the time it is,

but any bad comedy should be thrown out That's a bad comedy portion of it. You're not funny and you say Sex is there oh I'd rather have you have one Like a good joke that offense people then 40 shit jokes that no one laughs at cuz then you just wait Yeah, but it doesn't offend anyone boy. We've seen some have it. Oh, my god. Yeah. We like, oh god, just get to the offensive shit and let's get this over with. Well, you know, and we've told some too. I've told some goods and I got done with it. And I'm like, why did I even say that? That joke sucked. I knew it when I wrote it. I got no laughter. I just wasted 30 seconds of this set and And I wasn't I yeah because maybe I made it to PC, you know, sometimes I do that like scam myself

I'm like, oh, I don't want to put too much Controversial stuff. I'll go easy on this corner, but it just doesn't it doesn't inspire any emotion It's like no, haha. That's why I always tell you B-U, just B-U. Yeah. But it's real. Yeah, you have to be. This is what they talk about when comics talk about finding their voice, that's it.

Yep, that's it. What do you got to say? What do you got to say? Do you think the show shows like Jeremiah Watkins stand up on the spot that Joe Rogan does a lot at the comedy store? And for those of you that have never seen that show, if you're in the LA area or you ever go to the comedy store, I would really recommend watching stand up on the spot. Now also Jeremiah tours with Jeremiah Watkins tours with Tony Hinchcliffe for the Kill Tony show. And their tours are pretty extensive through the US.

So if you're anywhere in another state, check it out when they're coming into town. It's worth hitting up both of those shows. They are fantastic. They really are. They're really unique and they're unbelievable. But what's really great and what I love about the standup on the spot show is that, and I talked about it before,

is that the audience just shouts out your category. So either you have a story in some standup, some material that's similar that you can use, or you're just going fresh. And when you go fresh, that's really your voice. Like this isn't your written voice, regular like comedy voice. Like your character, and I'm gonna say this, you're an excellent writer when it comes to comedy. Like this isn't your written voice. Yeah regular like comedy voice like

I'm gonna say this you're an excellent writer when it comes to comedy an excellent writer Right you much stronger than I am you give me a lot of Pointers when I do write but what I'm finding with this show that we do which is similar to stand up on the spot But we have to pick the categories from a bucket. Yeah, it's called the challenge mic. In, in, where is it? Career town, where is that place? K-town. Yeah, career town. K-town.

It's that you have to, you just create it, right? You're just creating it on the spot in your voice. And what I'm finding is I can go back and go, ah, that's, there's something there. And I like the way I structured it because it's more me. Sometimes when I'm writing and then I repeat it, I'm like, this doesn't even sound like me. It's almost like I write in a different way than I'm telling jokes.

It's strange. You understand? Sure. I mean, I write all my jokes basically just walking around my apartment like it's a challenge like, like I'm just coming up and riffing. And usually it's an idea that sparks in my head. I'm like, ooh, this is funny because of this. And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then it's kind of like a challenge mic, but there's no audience sitting there waiting for you to laugh at something. So I don't feel the pressure. And that's when my brain just goes nuts. And then I just ask those questions, well, where were you? What did it look like? How did it sound? What was happening?

Happy, you know, filling all those gaps. That's really excellent advice for anyone that wants to start to get into comedy and to think about it. I mean, I've been doing stand-up now for about two years. Yeah. And my writing has always been terrible. It stresses me out. It makes me feel like a lazy piece of shit. Sometimes I can sit in front of the computer most of the time. And I write nothing. Sure.

Because I was definitely going about it the wrong way. Like I needed to have developed that idea on stage, just through one of these kind of mics, and then sat down and crafted it. It's like I had nothing to work with every time I sat down but there's no fucking rulebook for this. So there's zero rulebook direction. There's zero rulebook and there's really zero textbook either. Some I mean comedy more than any other art form I feel like is you're on your own figure it out. You're funnier. You're not you've learned it or you're not

You know which is a shame because you know we're There are no shortage of stand-up comedy classes in the greater Los Angeles area and most of them are bullshit But they're not teaching you anything It's just what Joe talks about that. He never did a class He kind of finds it funny and when he talks to other comedians that come on and they've done it He's like really? What's that like? What do you do in that? It's almost like he says no idea and he met he is Literally has a PhD in comedy. I mean, when you think of how long he's done it for and how big areas he sells out I mean, you know, he knows it as well as people can know things.

Absolutely. The idea of a class is like, I don't know how that would work. And there's nothing else like this. I don't care what you want to learn. There's a class for it. Not with stand up. Good luck, baby. Yeah. I mean, I took a class. And to me, I mean, it was probably arrogant of me, but I went in knowing I would be good at this.

I was like, I'm a good comedy writer. I mean, we knew this, and I wanted a safe space to work on my first set. That's what I wanted. And so it was basically, whatever $300, whatever it was, $350, that I put down that I had a safe space to go in, workshop some material with a small group of people. And that was valuable to me. I don't think I got one note from my teacher the whole time. I was like, oh, I don't think that joke works. I was like, oh, that's good. That's good.

And I ignored her and then it didn't work. And I was like, all right, good on you. You knew that. But that was the advantage for me. Because funny is funny, you know what I mean? I feel like the best a class could help is to help cultivate a set that is probably already be good, but you can make it even stronger.

Through just some coaching of like, think about this. is probably already be good, but you can make it even stronger. Through just some coaching of like, think about this, what did it look like? How does it sound? Like when comics talk about a conversation they have, and then they don't do the voices. I'm like, act out the scene. Show us the scene. Those are tips that you might get in a comedy class that might be valuable. Otherwise, I don't know.

Yeah, I mean, I think there could be something to it. tips that you might get in a comedy class that might be valuable otherwise. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I think there could be something to it. It's just a lot of them. It doesn't work, and it really is more trial by fire. It just is that sort of dynamic. Obviously, you learn it, because you do it more. The problem is what you're learning is most of the the learning is when you're on that stage in that three minutes. It's true. That's it. And the critique is when you're on that stage in that three minutes. That's true. That's it. And the critique is about you doing it again and again and again and finding some jokes and working it.

And it's hard to structure a class around that. True, it makes sense. It's like flying a plane where you know you will crash every time until you don't Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good. It actually anytime you give you trying to describe stand up to somebody especially when you're trying to Like you're trying to encourage them to do it. Yeah, it's horrific like everything that you say You just see it in their face. They're like why the fuck would I do that? That sounds like, I know. And you're like, no, no, no, it's the best. Well, you and I are using words that describe that.

Ever. You and I describe it to our friends. It was like when we talk about like the challenge of my greenie and the type of shows we try out or things like that. And they're always like, well, what was that like? And I was like, it was terrifying and horrible. I can't wait to do it again.

And they're like, and you see on their face, like, I'm never doing that. But, you know, I don't blame him because I was much older until I had the guts to do it because that should scary. Plus, I had nothing to say when I was younger. I had nothing interesting to say about the world. Yeah, well, that's something that Rogan talks about when he has, you know, he often does when he has his older friend comics on that he's known for like 20 years, like Greg So the depth of their stories, it's so much harder to do it.

So in a way, yeah, we got into it later. So we got a lot of work to do, but it's, you are coming in with more tools. Once you relax, you know, I have a stage time experience, but you can really pull from, from those stories. And then we're so lucky being in the LA area that we get to go to the comedy store and you can watch They just to kill us the best of the best exactly like Rogan just crafting his set that's that's one of the most beautiful things you get to see if you know that they just filmed their special and With Joe that's easy because he talks about it a lot on his podcast

Then you'll go to the comedy store and then he's like building it after that you pay ten twenty bucks yeah you get to see like a kind of more nervous kind of less structured set coming out of somebody who's very very good and then over the months that you watch him you know like i'll probably

in a year i'll watch his like actual set other than going to the Standup on the spot show which is obviously basically the improv version of his comedy or watching the three I'll probably watch him four or five times and that'd be from the beginning just because he'd be on a line up I want to see I'm usually going to watch maybe someone that is coming in from out of town. You know, maybe Bill Burz here, maybe Andrew Schultz is here, maybe Erie Schaffer is in town. It's usually someone that I don't get to see very often, but then Joe is on the lineup, or Theo Vaughn is on the lineup or Crystal is on the lineup anyway.

And you get to see those you get to see those sets developing you're like, oh, I remember that joke from last time. Wow, he's really changed a lot of elements. It's good to see them work. It's so fascinating. That's their playground. A lot. And on that note, this special edition of the Joe Rogan experience, where, we just talked about hunting and comedy.

Until Joe gets back, he should be throwing some podcasts out this week. We'll see. Let's see. Where are you performing this week, Mark? Oh, I got a- Those are you in the LA area that likes some comedy. If you get out Friday and Saturday, where are you going to be?

Yeah, Friday, 7 o'clock, original room, comedy store, part of the, one of the up and coming comics and the D's nuts show. Very nice. And then at the Copper Still on Saturday, 8 p.m. Missouri something, I don't remember the name, the show. But it's eight o'clock, the Copper Still in K-Town. Nice, and the Copper Stills a cute little place. It's a place to know and swing by

That's also where we do the challenge mic on the Wednesdays. It's just like it's a fun little area It's a nice old back room. They don't have Pino Grigio. They just have Shardinay and now ask you if that's okay And it's all right if you say no like I I'm like no god why would you offer that? No, it's like, all right, we're up to a say then. We don't have Pinot Grigio, but we have urine. Oh, okay, sure, I'll take that. Here we have this bucket of eyeballs.

We're like, is it fermented? Yeah, man, still don't want it. Yeah, well times, but anyway as always guys Thank you guys for listening get out and watch some comedy find it in your local area. It doesn't matter Who's there? Go support it watch it. It's the best 10 or 20 bucks. You can spend I promise you it a cheer you up and That's it. Thanks guys. Thank you.