Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - JRE 514 Jay Anderson

Episode Date: March 17, 2026

Jay Anderson is a researcher and host focused on UFO phenomena, hidden aerospace programs, and the growing body of claims around non-human intelligence. In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, the conversation moves through government secrecy, leaked footage, whistleblower accounts, and the uncomfortable question of how much the public is actually being told. They dig into the recent surge in UFO disclosures, the credibility of insiders coming forward, and the tension between skepticism and belief in a space filled with misinformation, speculation, and real unanswered questions. Jay lays out his perspective on patterns in sightings, advanced propulsion theories, and why he believes something deeper is going on behind the scenes. This episode sits at the intersection of curiosity and caution—where the unknown pulls people in, but the lack of clear answers keeps everything just out of reach. The Joe Rogan Experience continues to be a place where controversial ideas, fringe theories, and emerging narratives are explored in long-form conversation—giving listeners the chance to hear it all and decide for themselves. Thanks to this weeks sponsors: Download the DraftKings Casino app, sign up with code JRER. DraftKings Casino App Apple DraftKings Casino App Android New players play five dollars and get FIVE HUNDRED flex spins! Claim FIFTY spins a day for ten days. Gambling problem? Call one eight hundred GAMBLER. In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling call eight eight eight seven eight nine seven seven seven seven or visit C C P G dot org. Please play responsibly. Twenty-one plus. Physically present in Connecticut, Michigan, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, West Virginia only. Void in Ontario. Eligibility restrictions apply. Non-withdrawable Casino Spins issued as fifty spins per day for ten days, valid for featured games only and expire each day after twenty four hours. See terms at casino dot DraftKings dot com slash promos. Ends March fifteenth, twenty twenty six at eleven fifty nine PM Eastern Time. Try QUO for free PLUS get 20% off your first 6 months when you go to Quo dot com slash JRER www.quo.com/jrer Go to get dot stash dot com slash JRER to see how you can receive TWENTY-FIVE DOLLARS towards your first stock purchase and to view important disclosures. For more Rogan exclusives support us on Patreon patreon.com/JREReview www.JREreview.com For all marketing questions and inquiries: [e-mail] Please email us here with any suggestions, comments and questions for future shows.. [e-mail]

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One. Go. Enjoy the show. Hey guys. Welcome to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. A podcast about a podcast. This week we are talking about Jay Anderson, UFOs, ancient civilizations, giants, you name it. Joined as always by my partner in crime, Brandon.

What's up, buddy? a pleasure an honor to be here very excited to talk about UFOs and bigfoot aliens these are always always the best dude always the best episodes always it's so fun i feel like i should be stoned right now talking about some of this stuff i would do these for free but instead i get paid for it so i will cheers well j anderson does have a podcast as well Project Unity. It's a UFO podcast. He's good, dude.

He has good content. It's good stuff. Pretty good. Yeah. I was watching some of it up to the recording of the podcast we're doing now. And there's some good stuff on it. I haven't, you know, watched or listened to any of it until his appearance on Rogan. And I enjoyed it quite a lot.

And I say we jump at the fan reception when it comes to this episode. I was a little shocked when I looked at fan reception. Now, on YouTube, people really like this. A lot of people are saying, well, at least it isn't Burke Reischer. Well, he came on. He came on two weeks later, so they were about to. They might have manifested it. They did it.

They did that. But on Reddit, everyone's looking for something to complain about. there's people calling him a grifter which I just don't understand because it's not like he's like selling a book or he's like but here's the thing here's the thing he has kind of lost favor with some of the UFO community and within that community he's kind of got a bit fed up with some of the disclosure stuff and some of the people in that space. And that's turned off, you know, some of the diehards. So in a sense, he's made some enemies of some of these guys, you know, in their little

click group of conspiracy people. And, yeah, they're looking to get frustrated with him. I think he's a great dude, though. I'm like, just, you know, let him just be a bit pissed off with some stuff. like who cares yeah a lot of people have issues with a story he tells which we will get into

there's so much to get into for this podcast but it's like another UFO guy with snake oil where it was more of like a conversation and an analysis and not like I know the truth right I'm the key holder yeah where a lot of people

calling him a grifter are framing it like that where that's not the case at all now with the whole UFO community and the age disclosure. That's a whole conversation there. Sure, sure. That's a whole conversation there because that makes a lot of sense. He has kind of made enemies and especially on this podcast has really cemented his relationship with certain people like, like Lou, for example. Right. I think that was the biggest like contention there. I think so, yeah. You know, and also, I mean, Look, when it comes to Reddit, too, and we keep reading every week, like what Reddit thinks about it.

And no offense, Reddit. But who the fuck has Reddit been happy with recently? Do we even know anyone that they've not been annoyed with? Maybe Shane Gillis is the only person that survives Reddit reviews just because everyone loves Shane. He's like the most likable person. He survives everything. I did listen to a podcast with Shane recently. he's like, yeah, I was on Reddit for two seconds

and I saw something that said, Shangula sucks. And I'm like, oh, fuck. Even Shane can't get out of life. Even him. Even Shane can't escape it. Reddit's super critical. The whole point of Reddit, it's the shit on everything.

It is so true. It is so true. Yeah. Wow. This episode, where do we start, man? Do we start with ancient Egypt? Do we start with Bigfoot? Do we start with UFOs?

I think the big thing is, like, start with just how they started, like, questioning the official timeline. I think that's the big piece that comes up again and again and again. And it's a quick like recap of it. But it's really the foundation of looking into most of this stuff. It's like, why can't we do that? Because if we could just for a second start to reanalyze why the timeline is so off potentially. you know, can't we just add 10,000 years to something and say, what if, and then really start to look at it from that lens?

How does that change things? However we can't. The archaeologists don't let us do it. The historians don't let us do it. And I'm just more and more just not believing. I mean, to be, to be frank, it's like every 10, 20 years, they find another. couple of bones and they add 100,000 years

to homo sapiens being on the planet. I'm like, that's a big fucking deal, dude. That's a long time. Literally doubling the amount of time that we've been here. And we can't add a few thousand years to like when Stonehenge was made

or the pyramids. I'm like, get out of town. Well, Adam, the issue here is we're talking about well-paid scientists. They're well-paid. it very well paid. And it's a decision of, you know, do I want to explore the truth or do I want to put my kids through college?

Yeah. That's what it's, that's what it is. Do I want what it is? Tenia. Do I want tenure or do I want to join Reddit? Or do I want this sick new stereo? You know, it's like, that's what it is. That's what it is. And they talk about it in the episode where it's like, yeah, you're going to get shunned.

you know if if you explore these topics like the whole idea of like the the mummified alien with the eggs and stuff that it's like nuts if you talk about that and you're in a very respected field they're like oh you're fucking crazy then get the fuck out of here where it's like there's it's not just a conspiracy it's not just like a thought there's there is something there there is something there but it's It's getting easier, though. They're starting to pay more and more attention. They're all legit. Because there was that guy from Ohio that, what was the name?

He was a professor from Ohio that Rogan was talking to. And yeah, he looks, like looked into the bones and looks into like real shit like this. And he's taken seriously. He gets the lecture on it. His bosses don't give him a hard time about it. They're like, hey, I'm open to it. Check it out. Take a look.

like it's all good we're not like dismissing yeah it's getting closer you know and I think people like Graham Hancock are really opening the door to that and you know that's why someone like Graham is such a big deal

because they've had to really put themselves out there and he's taken some punishment he took the blows he took the arrows you know and stood there and did it for all the people that get to follow him safely into this pursuit.

And that's why my hat goes off to him all day long. And he deserves all the accolades that he gets. And I love that Rogan is always stood by him. You know? And he was the first, Rogan always says it, the first legit guest on the Joe Rogan experience. And I think that's why Joe's loyalty with him runs so deep. and you know look what he's done already for archaeology and the way people think about history as a whole

I mean that those Netflix series that he's done game changer to this timeline yeah even even Keanu Reeves went on there dude that's how you know it's legit that's how you know that solidifies it easily yeah so so how do you feel about their people pyramid discussion here with the potential labyrinth. There's so much potential in what could be down there. The scans and everything? Yeah. I mean, a mile and a half structures that go underneath the pyramids. They've been scanned hundreds of times. Supposedly this radar tomography technology is almost 100% accurate and they've measured it against other structures that we have measured have you dabbled in investing here and there but haven't been happy with how things are

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and the scans come back exactly the same. The computer models can recreate it. We believe this to be true. A mile and a half down, there are four plus giant 80 meter by 80 meter granite blocks. There's no granite around there. It's like sandstone. Got taken down there. I mean, the structures themselves are more complicated

to construct than the pyramids. This is something we couldn't do today. You know, it's one thing to say, oh yeah, we could do the pyramids today. We'd just take forever. It would cost a lot of money, but we got the machines. You know, it could plausibly be done.

We're not digging, we're not building something a mile and a half. underground like that with giant granite blocks. Number one, where do you even get granite blocks that are 80 meters by 80 meters? Do they even have? Like, can you dig up a granite block that big? Do we have chunks of granite like that on the planet? Well, they were exploring a whole idea of, I guess you can make it,

but I just don't see how they would have even the amount of ingredients. That's a huge cauldron. And the mold, it's just, it doesn't make any sense. Mind-blown. And, you know, they're trying to tell us that people that are like a little bit above cave people did this almost. She's like little hammers chiseling away. I'm like, bro, your story sucks. You know, the gas lighting is over.

At this point, shut up. Shut up, dude. Shut up. And that's the thing. It's like they're barely pulling it off with the pyramid story. We're almost not buying it. Let's be fair. A lot of people are not buying it.

Joe's not been buying it. Many people are not. But, you know, many people still buy it. You talk to a lot of people. They're like, oh, yeah, it was just built by them back in the day. They're not really thinking about it. It's like, it's fine. You know, you start giving them some facts about it, like how many blocks there are,

how big they are, how far they would brought in, you know, how it's perfectly aligned and all this. Maybe some people start. asking some more questions. You throw these structures underneath and people are like, wait, what? Hold on. Huh? And it'd be like, yeah, yeah, it's bigger than anything ever built ever by anyone in the history of the world. And it was built further back than anyone ever built anything that we know of. Go figure. Huh? Yeah. It's, it makes no sense. And I can't even begin to think about what it could possibly be, like what it would take to make this.

Like, at this point, I know it's like, well, the bricks, you know, it has to be aliens. Now, this is,

this has to definitely be aliens. This has to be. It has to be. Dude. It has to be. Like, what else? Because it's like,

okay, you can think of the whole idea. It's like, what if you, it's like an ancient civilization that was very advanced. even more advanced than we are now. Yeah, there would have to be evidence of that.

And I know there were scans. Apparently, there's a metallic object underneath in the labyrinth, which who knows what that could be, potentially a UFO. It just doesn't make sense because even if we did have the technology to do that, there would be evidence of it. There would 100% be evidence of it. And the fact that it would just be so localized, like it's so confusing. It has to be aliens.

Yeah. It has to be. Or like you're saying, I mean, a race of humans that would have been the equivalent of thousands of years more advanced than we are today. How the heck would they have forgotten all of this stuff? Like, we literally then what got blown back to the Stone Age? You're telling me we didn't write anything down? Nothing. Nothing.

We didn't even pass one book. One book. It's so localized as well. Like you're saying all that advancement was just in like this one area? Well, but to be fair, I think that once they start scanning more places, I wouldn't be surprised if these things are potentially under many of the big pyramids around the world. That's true. That wouldn't be a shocker to me.

You know, if they start measuring the ones in Mexico and they're like, oh, big surprise. or giant, you know, energy generating machines from ancient history. There's like a Davein busters under this one. You know, it's like, who knows? And there's also allegedly one in the Arctic, right? Right. This is a little bit of a conspiracy here. That one's interesting.

I mean, it does look pretty pyramid-shaped. Very pyramid-y, yeah. If you look it up on the maps. Pyramid-ish. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, who knows what's doing that shit. Well, but think about it. I mean, if there is old as they is these timelines could possibly suggest, then it's entirely possible that there was no ice on Antarctica for a long time. And then why not? Why not have people there that build pyramids? I mean, well, it's like humanity could have been fucking around like a million years. ago. Sure. You know what I mean? We don't, we have no idea what our timeline is. We really don't. And going back to, you know, we've mentioned this before, but like the, what was it? Four million year old wagon wheel that was petrified. Oh, yeah. And Russia. Into a Russian mind.

Like, I don't know. I don't know anymore. I think people just need to be open minded. And you can't have this whole textbook ideology of like, well, it says it in paragraph three page 40. So that That's when we started. It's like, we don't know shit. Of my one. We have a kind of an idea, but we don't know shit. We really don't. Yeah.

My 102 history class said that it didn't go like that. And it's like, okay. Yeah. Then sure. It didn't. Yeah. All right, buddy. Yes.

Well, found. Well, found. Whatever, dude. You know, I know you're an expert here. It's, it's so, I feel like this is a subject that we as a society, as a society, as a species need to just be very open to. There's so much about us that and just the earth and the world and everything that we really need to be open to.

Like it's okay to take the facts as is as we have them right now. You know, it's okay to question them, but like it's all right to see them be like, okay, that makes sense. But at the same time to embrace new information and not just. like hold on to old shit just because well my grandfather studied this and he found this so that has to be the truth. It's like we don't know.

It's a stepping stone. Like whatever it is and if it's wrong, I feel like people need to acknowledge that. At least like I was a part of the journey to get to the truth. Well it's just not helpful to be wrong. We don't do that with any other pursuit.

We don't go, oh, we're just going to be wrong about math or wrong about physics or wrong about anything else and like carry on with it. So why would we just be like, no, we prefer to be wrong about history and archaeology because we feel safer then. Well, no, why? Why not believe that way long ago, we actually were way more advanced for a while and then we just got wiped out? Is it that it's too scary to deal with that we could get wiped out again. We already know the flood stories

happened. They were very likely to have happened. We know that the dinosaurs were wiped out by a massive asteroid here the earth. There were probably some others that came in between then. I mean, it happens.

It could have been a geopolitical conflict, you know. Could have been. Big old war. Newt to, who knows? Ancient nukes. Good old ancient nukes. something else. Maybe they invented different sound wave bombs. Right. What if that's what aliens are? They're ancient Egyptians who with this technology, you know, fled the planet because of some, something. Could have been massive volcanoes,

could have been an asteroid. Who knows? Could have been something. And then every time a UFO does appear, It's just us from the past. Or maybe it's just humans from a different civilization. Who knows? Think about it. This is getting real out there. No, no, but it's not, though. Think Elon is about to send a rocket to Mars.

He's going to do it at the end of this year. You're telling me in a hundred years, he couldn't be, have like people already living on Mars. A hundred years from now is one person. from now. That's one person. He can have people living up there. That's people living on a completely different planet. Now, if something horrible happened on Earth and they're living on Mars, well, now we have people. Spring is a natural reset point. And if you've been putting off, cleaning up the messier parts of your business, now's the time. Streamlining your communications is one of the

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Earth just got blown back to the Stone Age, you give that 500 years. Well, now all of a sudden you have aliens that can visit Earth in advanced crafts and people on Earth are just, you know, bonking each other on heads with logs and going, what the hell is that thing flying around in the sky? And the guys from Mars are teaching them how to make fire, and they're just scratching it into their tablets. And there we go. History is starting up all over again. Exactly. Why not? Maybe that's happened five or six times already.

Why not? And I feel like we have such a long way to go still. You know what I mean? What's the closest we have to a pyramid thing as a society? What? The Bass Pro shops in Vegas. Good point. That's all we have.

That's going to be. That's it. Like look at that structure. And especially if, you know, all these scans are accurate. And I bet there's even more to it than we know than that's in those scans. Because it seems like with every new piece of the puzzle, it just gets like, whoa, there's that. It just gets deeper and deeper and more complex.

Who knows? Like this massive labyrinth, apparently there's 3,000 chambers from what a scan predicted. It's just insane what we don't know. and what's in there. Oh my God, to find out what's in there. We got to get down there. I'm not sure we'll ever find out. I really don't because...

They owe it to... That's not just an Egyptian thing. That's a human thing. Humans deserve to know. I say I don't want to put too much pressure on Egypt right now, but I say we're allowed to invade them if they don't let us get down there. All right?

We're allowed to put the pressure of invasion on there because we're like, we got to get in there. So you got a couple of choices. Choice number one, let us in. Easy way or the hard way. That's all I'll say. We just give them a card, you know, direct mail, first class, you know, delivered. Like when you get served in the courts, like that guy just hands it to their president. So we know it's serious.

and then it just says easy way or hard way and then it just has a finger pointing to the pyramids underneath. We're going to send troops into the pyramids. It's probably going to be just like Alien versus Predator, but we don't care. They're arms. They're going in there. Yeah, we're going to find whatever that metallic object is. Sponsor by Netflix.

They're all going to have Go-Pros. It's going to be on Twitch. It's going to be sick. They're going to have machine guns. That's what I'm picturing. Yeah. They're all even with jet packs. It's going to be sick. Man.

It's crazy, man. Now, okay, speaking of aliens, now he tells this story about orbs. Yes. He's going on in the backyard, you know, and he sees the light blinking. And then it's this cloud. Hold on. Let's preface this a little bit. Okay.

Because he was going out there to try to see orbs. This was the interesting part. And this almost. When he said that, I was like, I'm a bit suspicious of someone trying to look for a thing. You know what I mean? It's like, it's not the same as going, I'm going out to the woods to hunt for mushrooms, and then you come back with mushrooms. It's like, well, yeah, you went to find mushrooms.

But you're going out to the woods to find something that no one's ever seen, and you say you saw it and come back and you just tell people you saw it. sure you did bud so he's going out there to see the things and then he just gets to this point where he can like start to call them in almost he had like this feeling about it wasn't that it summons summoned it and i think it was after two years of doing this right and his all idea it's like okay because like telekinesis is a big thing in like you know study being UFOs and aliens, of course, there's a lot of examples of that. And it's like, okay, I'm just going to, like, sit in the backyard and just try to get a signal, you know.

Yeah. And, you know, he was talking about that. There'd be a blinking light and it'd move and stuff. But then after two years, there was this cloud, which had this almost like fuzzy, like static surrounding to it. Yeah, cloaking. Cloaked. Yeah. Which is just like in the movie Nope, right?

Where it was like a cloud, UFO, I believe. But anyway, it moves towards him. And apparently it's like these orbs kind of shuffling around. And it leaves a mark on him. Oh, was Nope on like the farm? Yeah. Yes. I know exactly what you mean.

That's right. Yep. Yep. of you where there's like they're like that cloud as it moves yep so it's a you know age of disclosure but yeah yeah so leaves that mark and that kind of freak me the fuck out like whatever if it's real or not i what's what's so freaky about aliens and what's so kind of scary about this whole concept is is just how much power you know the aliens UFOs all that has over us how how how small like the intelligence and power is like us to ants.

Yes. And just the fact that like something like that could happen. But they also talk about the idea of like maybe it's that is a being within itself. It's like they were talking about the whole idea of like amoebas the size of whales in space where it's like more of a lovecraftian being. It's it's quite a interesting thing. But do you believe his story? I don't know what to think about it. I really don't.

He doesn't seem like a liar. And I don't think that he would come on and just fabricate that. Now, there is the possibility that he saw maybe something and then told that story so many times that the story itself changes in your mind. Because basically, as far as we understand it, how memories work is the more you recall a memory and therefore either speak to it or just think of it. about that particular memory, you actually rewrite it every time that you bring it up, which is a bizarre thing. So in fact, the more accurate memory is are ones that you haven't remembered too many times, if you can believe that, because you haven't rewritten it too many times.

So they start to change each time. Imagine just having a book next to a book with no pictures on. and then you've got your picture of your memory and you have to write it once you think about it, you have to write it now out in the black book and then you put the black book back in the library. That's the idea. So each time you're changing a detail, probably by accident,

so things do change. And it's quite well tested because, you know, they'd just go into descriptions and they'd be like, well, what was the color of the lights that you saw? And it'd be like, yeah, it was blue. but then they go back to the actual thing and it knows it was green or red and they can follow the timeline of the memory

and that person recalling it and it just changed over time with each recall. So my point to this is maybe it got more elaborate over time and really what he saw was just a bit of a wobbly cloud and then a tiny light and he got excited about it. Yeah, it's almost like a mental game of password.

you know maybe he was just fucked up one night went outside smoked three cigarettes and put each one out on his arm you know who knows oh yeah that that little the picture he had the three the yeah the triangle joe was not impressed with that at all and to be fair good joe good don't fall into that game joe was just like i don't know i'm not really bothered about that at all the guy was like i'm not a dermatologist dude yeah i don't know what you want that jay really really wanted that to be like the the proof of the icing on the cake. He's like, that could be anything. That's like three dots. So what? Yeah. Did not did not sell Joe at all. And to be fair for good reason. It's like, sure, buddy, that means a lot to you because of the circumstances of you getting it.

But to anyone else, it looks like nothing. Sorry. Honestly, good on Joe for being like, well, I don't know what to tell you. Because that's just such an. insane story. It's insane. Yeah. Like, that's just so crazy. It's not like one day you saw a light and then you woke up and you had the thing. It's like, like, that's just insane. That would change my life that happened to me. That would be like, well, I didn't really get it because he, he said it, like he didn't say it actually physically interacted with him. So why would it mark him? I don't know. Like, he said it kind of flew over him. Yeah. But, like, it was just like, oh, I'm just going to zap him with three little dots for some reason.

Is that like a part of a scan? Yeah, I don't know, man. Like orb cloud aliens, I don't know. This is getting to the, in the realm of like, like, I don't even know how addressed it. Either way, whatever it did, it certainly was a catalyst for him getting obsessed. And it's led to a lot of great content. So I'm glad he had that experience, regardless of, if. if he fabricated a lot of it, or if it was just, you know, if it was that compelling and real.

I don't know. It just doesn't sound like any other type of close encounter type thing that I've heard of. So it's hard to kind of put it in a box or a category like, oh yeah, that's like those ones. It just sounds more like a dream. Yeah. Like you fell asleep. It's just so out there. Fell asleep in a field.

Yeah. It's like, hey, man, you know, if it takes a cloud to bruise you to start a podcast, you know, more power to you, I guess. Whatever inspires you. I've started podcasts over less. Let's be honest. Yeah, for sure. The Joe Roke and experience review. There we go. All right. So here's the classic question here. Here's the real question. What we got? What we got? Is Bigfoot real? No. No. But he was once, according to Joe. And when was that? Long time he was walking around. Like 100,000 plus years ago. They had a big old monkey walking around. Not like last Saturday? No. Like way, way long. Way long ago. I can't let go of it, dude. I can't let go of it. You want to believe? You want to believe he's there? I want to believe. I want to believe so. I mean, look, dude. I mean, you talked to. like Les Stroud, that guy that does

those survival shows that are great, where he's just filming himself and, you know, and some, you know, there are people that swear by it. They go out into the like the West woods, like those massive forests in like, where is it like

Washington and around there, probably Alaska, I don't know. And they hear like noises where they're like that there's a monkey. Sounds like a giant ape monkey thing. I know these woods or I know the animals out here. This is not that. This is something else. Or I know the movement and the sounds of them.

And, you know, people can make mistakes and things can sound different and whatever. But, you know, you get really experienced outdoorsmen that just kind of know those areas. Coming back with these strange stories, a little bit, it's compelling. makes you think, hold on, hold on here, maybe we should take a look. But it would be hard to hide it. And then they start throwing other theories in just to keep it going, like they can teleport or something, go through portals. That's why we don't ever find them.

I'm like, all right, now we're really working hard to make this one last. It's like we'd find some bones. Yeah, time travelers. We'd find some bones. We'd find something, you know. like we don't even have a good footprint we got no pictures we got nothing you know giant pile of monkey poop

surely we'd find that what are they carrying their poop off also the amount of a bigfoot of Sasquatch would need to eat you know what I mean that's a lot of food that's so much food and the fact that I feel like we got most footage ton of bananas thousands

in the late 90s and 2000s I thought is when we got like most of the bigfoot footage. Now everyone has a phone that shoots 4K. Where are they? Where is it? And it's like, with the amount of hunters, hunters would see these things. For sure. For sure.

Hunters would see them. Yeah. I mean, even if they're really good at hiding, I mean, there's like drones, you know, there's planes flying over, there's stuff, you know, they can't be that good at hiding. Something somewhere would see a big ass monkey walking around.

you know, there's this interesting concept of like, what if they're just past humans and it's like spirits of past humans? It's us. It's like kind of how time isn't really linear. Like it's all just kind of a circle, you know? And if it's just kind of past humans fading in and out of our timeline. Is that a little too trippy for you? But I mean, I mean at that point, then, yeah, you can just, of course. You can just add enough bits to it to where it's like, yeah, they're ghosts. And there's dragons, too. They're dragon, ghost, monkey, spirits that are aliens that came from the past. And they're also your grandfather. Why not?

And they're gay. They're definitely. Well, they're LGBTQ plus positive. 100%. Sasquatch. They're progressive Sasquatch. They're progressive. Sasquatchee

and they're vegetarian What do you think about that story of that that Russian astronaut where he talks about it where a big foot walks into the break room? This is crazy. I've never heard anything like this.

Walks into the break room and just gets like a water and then it's like, yo, and then just dips. And supposedly a bunch of people saw it. I'm just like, I need to put that whole thing together. Can we,

interview all those people? I'm just, the thing is, I'm just not there yet. You know what I mean? I'm just not there yet. You can't just give me that information. I'm like, okay, I'll think about that. Like, I just, I can't, like, I have to put that aside. I have to say, that's crazy. You said that. And I have to move on. Well, you throw in astronaut because it adds credibility, right? It's like, who is the most credible. They're like astronauts. Everyone trusts astronauts. Be like, well, this astronaut saw a bigfoot walk into a break room. It's like the whole thing. I'm like, if that's not the

beginning of a terrible joke, I don't know what it is. Yeah. You know? It just doesn't make any sense. It's like a big foot walked into the room, got some water and left. It's like, yeah, I've seen similar shit in college. You know, I've been on psychedelics. It sounds like something that you would see on a trip or something. It's like, I don't know. It seems insane. It really does seem insane. But hey.

But he likes it. He likes it. He's inclined to believe it. It kind of makes you think, well, is this guy a bit gullible? Though, and look, I say that with all due respect, I like Jay. I like his content. I think he's great. I like the way he explores ideas.

And I think also he. he is willing to go down many rabbit holes with many types of stories. Yeah. Where I feel like, I don't know, man. If a cloud put a cigarette out on me, I'd believe fucking anything at that point. I'd be open to a lot. I'd be, I'd be fucking open, man. I'd be like, yeah, there's big foot in every state.

If that's, if that happened to me, anything's possible. Well, but let's talk about the big one. that phone call that he got when he yes that now this is the big one this is the thing we end this episode on because it's really the mindblower of all mind fucks hold on hold on we got we got we got to just we got to touch on this for a second okay okay I don't want to miss anything on this we're not in a rush we're not in a rush the giants oh yeah yeah we can't we can't skim over this well it's miss I just I just hold on hold on hold on Hold on.

What? The Smithsonian is going to be real upset with us if we go into the Giants because they've been trying to hide this for some time. I'm just going to say that. So you better watch out. We're going to be bad. We're going to be on a list. We're going to be on the list for sure.

Yeah. We're not going to be how to use our student discount to get into that museum from now on. It's going to be a problem. Dude, what's so funny about the Giants is like, dude, they're like giants. They're like seven foot one. It's like, dude, that's like, that's like smaller than Shaq. Yeah, we got that now. yeah and that's and you know I did some research after this like and I watched a couple

documentaries and they're like dude the giant skeletons there were there were tombs of giant skeletons they were all like eight foot it's like I believe that makes a lot of sense like that makes sense but at that point could we just call them like like tall people yeah instead of like these mythic like giant really well-fell fed ancient people. NBA players. Yeah. I mean,

eight foot is like real big, but I don't, I feel like if you just started breeding a lot of seven-fit people together, you could start to get to eight-foot pretty quick. You know what I mean? Like, look what we did with dogs. They were all wolves, and now we have chihuahuas.

If we, like, really select, did that with humans, where we were just like, right, only the tallest ones in this village can breed. It's like arranged marriages, tallest only, go over there, keep putting them over there. Before you know it, you've got a whole stack of seven and a half foot, eight foot plus people, right? Yeah, it's like someone finding like the bones of like a little person being like, Dude, there were hobbits. There were hobbits. You know, it's like, no.

There's people nowadays who, like, you know, have that deficiency where they can't stop growing and it hit like 10 foot, 10 feet. Right. You know, it just happens in humans. Inhumanity, it's a thing that's happened. But at the same time, you look at like the Bible, all right? Goliath was allegedly 9 foot 9. It's big.

According to the Bible. And it's very possible if back in the day there were just humans like a like almost like a subspecies almost or like a breed, I guess, who were just naturally very big like 10 foot, you know. And then it goes back to you can connect this also to Stonehenge. Allegedly there's a lot of people who believe they were built by giants as well. But that's that's not a 10 foot guy. That's that has to be. That's like a cyclops almost size person. But then also that's how a really dumb person would describe how Stonehenge was built if they didn't know how Stonehenge was built, right?

If you were really dumb and you just, you know, you live in like a kind of crummy barn style house thing. and then you look at Stonehenge and you're like, well, giants, giant people pick up rock, move rock. And there we go. The legend is born. I wish people can be a little more intelligent and understand that aliens built it. Clearly aliens built it. Wobbly clouds.

Wobbly clouds. All right. Well, we had to get that out of the way. No, no, I like it. I like it. Yeah. Well, the Smithsonian had the bones. They hid them and that's all we know about that. So, yeah. Why would that? I don't get that that like a whole perspective though. Why would they hide them? Yeah. It would be the coolest reason to go to the Smithsonian. Unless there was some history that was being hidden. The idea is it's like the Catholic Church doesn't want that. timeline to be told because it like ruins their

whole grip on humanity so they put pressure on these institutions to not allow this you know this that's the whole kind of conspiracy in that direction the book of Enoch you know isn't there yeah but they took that book out

remember that is true so they don't like that but but even like Goliath I feel like like it's like hey you know Goliath, remember. Isn't that old testament though? Yeah. Well, yeah, I guess you're right.

Yeah, that's not really. It's not canon. Whatever the fuck. I, you know, I got to look at the Bible lore again. Get up to speed, dude. Come on. Yeah, I got to get up, dude. I'm not here to teach you the Bible.

I know. I got to do my homework. This isn't the Bible review. This is the Joe Rogan review. Come on. I might have to be a sub-podcast at some point. Right. Well, look, let's finish on the big cold.

The big call. This one was bananas and also a lot of fun. And again, no proof, no nothing. We got to take this guy's word for it. And this is really where it comes down to the credibility that you have in this person. Right. And this is what he's building up with you for three hours on his podcast. Right.

Or if you know his work, Joe obviously likes him, follows his stuff, thinks it's good. I mean, sometimes you can kind of power. That's that credibility search to somebody else. You know, if you're a Rogan fan, we trust Rogan. He's done his own version of research. So he gets in contact with this guy. He gets this phone call. And this guy says he works on this project.

And he's kept this secret for a long time. And he said, look, they'd kill me if I ever said anything about this. but I can build a spaceship or a machine or a device that can travel, what was it, 280 times the speed of light. You seem pretty damn specific too. I'm like, 280? What do you measure it? Like, you got a speed gun out there?

Like, why exactly that speed? But anyway, that speed, 280 times the speed of light. And he was saying he could build this many, many years ago. This was like a thing we can do. And that's the story. Where do you go from there? It's like, okay, bullshit, done, move on. Or what?

And what do you do with that information? If that is the case, let's just add that. to the mix, right? Let's put that in the story for just a second. Well, why have we just had regular jets and fighter jets and things like that? Why are we fighting wars with fighter jets and regular moving vehicles then? What the hell have they been doing with these, you know, multiple time light traveling devices? What is happening with this type of technology? Who has it? What do they use it for? Are they just messing with all of us while they are doing God knows what at the speed of light? Well, this definitely falls under the umbrella of the age of disclosure, you know, because a lot of that was talked about.

And this is a thing that, yep, you can actually look at this and be like, okay, this makes sense here. Because there is a lot of evidence that we've been able to back engineer alien crafts for a while. no. All right. Now, why don't we know about this? Because Exxon, because Shell, you know, we're going to be guzzling gas till we die. It's going to happen. We're not going to get this technology, unfortunately. I hate to say it. I hate to break it to everyone. But money, money, money, that's what it's all about. And if you snap your fingers and boom, you can have a car that doesn't take gas, you know, all you do is get in it. You're in a place in two seconds. You don't have to fly anywhere. You don't need airlines anymore. You don't need that. Like, it's over. It's, it's, it's,

we can't, money controls everything. And so many of these corporations, like, they have such an iron grip on this planet, on humanity's evolution. And I think there is a special group of people who get to be outside of that and get to, enjoy the fruits of the gods. They get to zip around at light speed. Yes. It's all the Exxon CEOs, those bastards. They get to fast travel to Venus and all this bullshit.

I got to talk to the aliens. They are the aliens the whole time. The Exxon execs. Maybe it's the Bigfoot's who have this technology. Just selling us oil. I know. Dude, it's wild. It's a cool story.

though, like it just is cool. And I don't know, to be in that position, to get the call, like, you know, you got to think of it from his point of view too. Like he knew kind of like the credibility of this person. Obviously, this person had a backstory. It wasn't just like some lunatic that got on the phone. He knew that like where this guy worked, you know, heard rumors of this person. This person had been connected to X, Y, and Z in different, you know, areas of, of tech, no,

logical development and, you know, secret kind of engineering projects and all the rest of it. So he wasn't a kook. And then he also says something like this, right? So either he's just suddenly lost his mind and he's completely full of shit or he suddenly got brave and he's talking about a program that he worked on that is real and is absolutely fucking mind blowing and he can't keep that secret anymore. He's like, this is eating me alive. This is insane that I know how to do this. And I'm going to die and no one's going to ever know how to do it. Because like what?

How do you live with that? The fact how evolved our technology is and it's like and it feels like you're living in the past. Dude, why not write it down and just stop sprinkling it all over the internet randomly, anonymously? Just put it everywhere. Yeah, it's like living in the 1800s and knowing how to build an iPhone. Yeah. Just dump it. Dump it.

Start sending like zip drives to people randomly in the mail and just be like, don't lose this. I mean, if you get waterboarded for life, you know, because the government will be fucking pissed. Really? Because someone to be pissed. There is a almost like a space race right now. apparently a secret you know space race when it comes to UFO technology

between countries allegedly you know of back engineering UFOs where if some guys like yeah hey everyone this is how you do it you know the US is going to be like we're gonna fucking hang you by your balls for life for doing this they're gonna be they're gonna be pissed and

that's something you don't fuck around with like as cool as it would be to know that information I would I would fucking so my mouth shut. I am not telling anybody that, even though as much as I believe everything should be on the table, no matter the consequences.

It's what, it's reality. I'm sorry if you can't handle it. It's reality. Well, you know what I would do. As a society, we need to figure it out. We need to accept it.

How about you do a bunch of time capsules and then people can't open them until after you're dead? then you'll be fine. Ten years after you're dead, everyone can dig up the thing. And all they think they're going to dig up is like, oh, a pair of Nike Jordans and a vintage copy of Mario Brothers. They just think it's going to be old shit that's cool.

But no, it's how you build a faster than light spaceship. And now the government can't get you because you're already dead. imagine your grandfather dies and his will to you are like instructions to build a UFO how sick would that be that's like the start of like a Disney movie that'd be dope my UFO yeah zip around and shit no it's better than a Disney movie

yeah yeah dude that would that be the way to do it that'd be the way to do it I don't know this this was a wild conversation I'm so glad that Joe's having so many of these UFO ones It just feels like something's happening and we're getting real close to something coming out. It's like it's coming from the government's end now. It's coming, you know, more and more of Joe's stuff is happening.

More guests are coming on talking about this. I just feel like, yeah, it's close. Something big is going to be said soon. Do you know that I think next month we're sending astronauts back to the moon? Did you know that? No. It's like not, yeah, nobody's talking about it, dude. After all that time, like 50 years, we're sending people back to the moon like next month

and no one even cares and knows about it. It's like boring. Well, we're just going back up there again. We finally like made the vehicles again and we, you know, figured out to do it. Now, they're not going to land on the moon. just going to go around it and then come back. Just kind of scan it. Yeah, just go around.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Make a holiday out of it. You would think that we could easily just go land on it because we did it so long ago. But it turns out hard. It's really very difficult. And we're not good at it anymore. But we're going to get close. We're going to go around.

And then we're going to come back. You're going to get the golf cart on it. It's a lot. Hopefully they take some close up pictures of all the shit that we left there before. so the, you know, the moon deniers can shut the fuck up for a minute and that'd piss them off. But we'll see. We'll see if it actually does. Probably won't.

They'll probably come up with some more reasons why that's not true. Of course. It's models. They put it there. CGI. CGI. AI. Now, what do you think about this?

And I, you know, the whole age of disclosure discussion. where he's kind of shit on it a little bit. He thinks it's kind of a government operation. Yeah. Yeah. And he thinks Lou is a plant. Now, you know, I can, whatever it is, whatever if, how much government backing there is here, whatever. I'm kind of on Joe's side here where it's like, whatever they have to do.

However, they feel like they need to ease this conversation and this information into the public. let them do it. I'm with Joe on this one, honestly. It's like, give us something, you bastards. It's the same as the Epstein list. Give us something. We know that you're going to curate the story and propagandize the shit out of us,

but give us something, because you've given us nothing for so long and you've gas lit the fuck out of us. Give us something to just sink our teeth into. It is amnesty. I really do think it's that. It's got to be. Yeah, there's, well, there was some shenanigans, dude, and there was a lot of money spent.

And people are going to have questions. And people are worried about that. They're going to get in trouble. But more and more, more of those people have retired or died now. So, you know, it's opened the door. But still, a lot of people are worried. And, you know, there's a lot of legacies on the line, too. So, yeah.

Yeah, they're going to have to figure out something on the way. But we deserve to know. And I think they're getting close. Well, hey, giants are real. Bigfoot is gay. It would have UFOs. Allegedly. Anyway, thank you guys so much for listening.

We appreciate it. This episode I gave, honestly, I gave this a 7.5 out of 10. I really enjoyed it, but then I'm a bit biased to the UFO, ancient. civilization ones. I really love those. So check it out if you haven't seen it. What did you think, Brandon, give it a score? I am going to give it an 8 out of 10 actually.

I'm going to round you up. Nice. It was fun. Like the story to the orb story, yeah, it's a little out there, but it's still an entertaining listen. It is. And the Bigfoot stuff and the giants and the whole kind of conversation of like, what is the age of disclosure?

What is the goal here? And looking at it, that and not just being like a dude who's like, yeah, man, I'm a UFO expert. I know, I know what all this is about and I'm going to tell you. And then you can go after buy my book and learn more about it. It seemed like a genuine conversation. For sure. And there was some skepticism behind like some of these topics and it's not just, yeah, that's real. And here's why. It just felt like an open conversation and there was no real bias with some of these topics. So I enjoyed it quite a lot. Yeah, I liked him. I want to see him back on. I liked his perspective in a lot of ways.

Anyway, great podcast, too. Yep. Thank you so much, guys. As always, and we will talk to you next time. Peace.