Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - JRE 533 Aravind Srinivas

Episode Date: July 7, 2026

Joe Rogan sits down with Perplexity AI founder Aravind Srinivas for one of the most thought-provoking conversations on artificial intelligence in recent memory. But before they dive into AI, the discussion takes an unexpected turn into ancient Hindu texts, lost civilizations, mysterious engineering, and whether history knows more than we think. From there, they explore the future of AI, the jobs it may replace, why curiosity could become humanity's most valuable skill, and whether America is still the best place to build world-changing companies. We break down the biggest moments, our favorite insights, and whether this is one of the best JRE episodes of the year. This weeks sponsors Rappin the Rivers: Go to Eventbrite.com or Sellout Events to get your tickets for Rappin the Rivers Festival 2026, August 7th and 8th in Cardwell, Montana, featuring DaBaby, That Mexican OT, Paul Wall, Kid Ink, Young Dirty Bastard, and more. For full festival details, go to RappinTheRiversMT.com. Camping is included. Draft Kings www.draftkings.com Download the DraftKings Casino app and sign up with code JRER to claim your Flex Spins and experience Cashingo—the feature you can't play anywhere else! DraftKings Casino App Apple DraftKings Casino App Android    Gambling problem? Call one eight hundred GAMBLER. In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling call eight eight eight seven eight nine seven seven seven seven or visit C C P G dot org. Please play responsibly. Twenty-one plus. Physically present in Connecticut, Michigan, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, West Virginia only. Void in Ontario. Eligibility restrictions apply. Non-withdrawable Spins issued as fifty spins per day for twenty days, valid for select games only and expire each day after twenty four hours. See terms at casino dot draftkings dot com slash promos. Ends July twenty-second at eleven fifty nine PM Eastern Time. Shop now at Fabletics dot com slash jrer to get 70- 80% off everything when you sign up as a new VIP Check out our website at www.jrereview.com For all marketing questions and inquiries: [e-mail] Please email us here with any suggestions, comments and questions for future shows.. [e-mail]

Hey guys, welcome to another episode of the J.R.E. Review. This week, we are reviewing the AI specialist from Perplexity, Aravind Shrinivas. Now, let's start with a bit of the online controversy of Rogan having his top AI sponsor, Perplexity, CEO and founder on the show. And look, I get it. You know, it's like it is a bit controversial, to say the least. But at the same time, I mean, it's not usual that he brings on his sponsors. He's had the black rifle coffee guy on, but he goes hunting with him. I think that's how they even connected in the first place. That's a little different because that guy is a great story. And my main pushback there, and it's not to just sit there and protect Rogan.

However, AI is such a big topic right now. Why would he not want to talk to the leaders of all the main AI companies at some point? It seems to make sense that he would. And he obviously has great access to that. Yeah, absolutely. There's no reason why, in my perspective, opinion that he shouldn't have these individuals on. I mean, he has access to the most interesting guests out there. And I can genuinely say this was a very interesting podcast to listen to.

This guy is so, he's well spoken and he, you know, beyond his, obviously, like, personal opinion or personal investment and ties to perplexity, the platform, his passion for AI in general is and his awareness over the issues surrounding it and the potential use cases for it and what the future of it looks like. I mean, it makes him a very reasonable and, you know, predictable guest for Rogan. Right. Yeah. Like if he wasn't already a major, just. sponsor yeah then you could imagine he would go on anyway right and that would be that would be my bigger reason to be like oh this is kind of dummy has this guy on if it was um the me undies co-founder it's like unless he has a great story and it's just whatever also to be fair like the first

hour they weren't even talking about AI at all no he had it's kind of interesting to hear that he runs this thing. He's created it. But he also has this deep interest in all this ancient stuff, these ancient texts. Maybe there were technologies from the past. I mean, unless he was pandering to Rogan, that's completely up Rogan's alley to go down that road. Yeah. Oh, I think it's... And he sound like he did his research. I mean, he came in, like, knowing these Hindu texts well. Yeah, I mean, it's relevant to him and his culture. I think there's, I think, I don't think it was necessarily pandering, but I would, you would imagine that anyone that wants to go and be on Rogan's show is prepared to discuss for three hours, interesting things that Rogan wants to know about.

I mean, that's the whole point of the podcast is to, you know, not pander to, but to entertain Rogan's curiosity. And, you know, they talked a lot about curiosity in general on the podcast and what that looks. looks like and what it boiled down to was what I saw how it really aligned well with Rogan's podcast is and how it sort of he kept bringing it back to like the benefits of using a system like perplexity and that is what he uses now because he's a sponsor, you know, because it's a sponsor of his, but is that AI can really entertain our curiosities in a way that other platforms like Google and social media can't. So, you know, I don't think there was any misalignment of, you know, ideals and reasons of why this guy was not a good guess.

Like, he genuinely kept it entertaining and he was great, you know, knowledgeable, like I said, well spoken. So I did enjoy it. I think more so when they got into the AI stuff, that sort of resonated with me more talking about curiosity and AI in education, an AI in, governance, AI, in, you know, companionship and all of the things that come with it and the fears and the issues that are surrounding it right now. That was definitely more interesting to me, but Rogan loves to talk about all of the ancient things and the conspiracies around it. And, you know, even like just the, not even conspiracies, but the how, you know, these stories are sort of like coming back around and these, you know, epics of, you know, tales. that it wasn't not interesting but I think it's

Yeah like the potential of a altered history from what we've been told Yeah and and even I mean and listen if this guy is really into that sort of thing Who else better to talk to about that? He can't just be bringing that up on some other podcast he goes on where he probably would be primarily talking about perplexity Perplexity Perplexity it's hard to say I'm perplexed you know and and and This is one thing that caught my attention when he started talking about questioning and good questions and being curious as like a primary driver to what his model of AI is all about. And then he didn't really directly make the connection to Rogan.

But listen, advertising on Rogan show is going to be good for your company if it aligns with the audience. Right. Because it's a massive audience. Yeah. Right? If you're even close to aligning with them. So for him to advertise on Rogan is a good move for his company. But also I had the feeling that he was suggesting the reason he did it is because Rogan is kind of the most well-known famous person for asking questions. Yeah. Whether they're good questions or not. He's a super curious guy. And it kind of fits. it's that same narrative.

It's like, this is what I wanted to build, and you're a guy that does this really well. Yeah, exactly. And you said it well, like, he's the perfect person. There's, he mentioned kind of verbatim, like, humans are born curious. Like, we have an innate curiosity in us. And the system.

Some of us. For a while. No, but in general, it's human nature to be curious and to want to innovate and to want to learn. and to improve, but the system sort of trains that out of us. Like it sort of curbs that in us through the education system, through the type of work that we do. And then now, even more so through the way we consume content, short form content sort of doles our curiosity because it's like, oh, here you go, here's a bunch of information for you

to process. But it's not necessarily anything that is going to help you grow or improve or think deeper. It's sort of like, let's fill your mind with sort of mindless things, you know, monkeys doing things and, you know, people being angry and who's, who's mad at who and, you know, current events, but on a really surface level and not talking about, like, the bigger issues at hand and how to improve them or how to eliminate the bottlenecks of whatever. And so, you know, but, and then in the, on the alternative side, you know, long form content is really how we can feed our curiosity and how we can grow our curiosity. And there is no longer form content podcast-wise than Rogan's. I mean, there's no other podcast that goes to three hours, five times a week. Yeah.

So Rogan is constantly feeding his curiosity, seeking out, you know, knowledge in a way that dives deeper than a Google search. And I think AI for people like Rogan, like, I would love to see what his history looks like. I mean, obviously, you know a lot of it is like what comes up on the shows. But, you know, he talks about how even in general, like he spends most of his screen time on YouTube. He prefers the long-form content. He prefers people that dive deeper into content, into topics, rather than the surface level that you get with, you know, Instagram or...

Sure. Yeah, he said he barely goes on Instagram. Yeah, barely goes on Instagram. Checks in. I did appreciate that he, you know, they talked a bit about how X is, you know, the image-based platforms, Facebook is kind of a combination, but Instagram, those are very much like, yeah, it's like you get an image in your head and then you move on and the attention span of its users are really short.

But the like X doesn't do a ton of ad sales necessarily and it's a text-based platform. And the benefit to that is that, you know, you're spending, he talked about Elon's like model of unregretted time spent on these social media platforms and you know you have less of that on X you know you see what you want you're not like

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No. It seems like their incentive is purely to job. justify what it's doing to everybody, which pretty much everyone knows is bad. And still, everyone is, almost everyone is still doing it. Right. I mean, people have to take, I know in the world of coaching, for example, there are retreats designed around the idea of not just getting back to nature, but unplugging from your phone.

and it's not just about, they're not talking phone calls and emails. They used to talk about emails. Mostly now it's like get off social media, excuse me, for a week and see how you feel. You almost have to detox from it. It's become that addictive. It's so addictive, you know, there's that, there's like that meme of like, oh, when you're like rock climbing and you look down and, you know, you realize that your friend has fallen and you, instead of calling 911,

got on Instagram and you've been doom scrolling for five minutes. It's like it's that bad, you know, like you get on. You're like, I have no idea what I was doing and I have no idea how long I've been looking at my phone, but I'm on Instagram. And when you see that meme, you laugh at it. You understand exactly what it's saying. You're like, oh, I can see that's real.

And you carry on scrolling. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it can capture you so fast. It's so addictive to your brain. And so I think, you know, with AI talking about, it's repercussions and how it can change, like, the way we learn. It's like, we're not really learning anything from social media. We're not necessarily thinking bigger.

We might, like, invoke some emotion in us to see certain content, but we're not, like, asking it questions or learning things that don't already exist. And, you know, so kind of getting back to, like, look, sometimes you can, you can create algorithms that are, like, I have my personal page. which is just family stuff and that's my private page. Then I have my coaching page that isn't a private one. Anyone can follow me. And I specifically am only doing my best to save videos related to therapy, psychology,

coaching, motivation, good habits. And the only thing it's done there is it sells me a lot of fucking coaching programs all the time. It's full of ads, whereas my personal one isn't, but that's just nonsense. Yeah. It's just my personal one, I can get stuck, doom scrolling through because it's like based on things my friends have sent me that are just silly and ridiculous and easy to just scroll through. For some reason, it doesn't sell me a lot on that page.

Yeah. But my coaching one, I can go on for short periods of time. and it has really useful information that it floats through. And again, I mostly only follow people doing similar things that I want to look at or construct my content to be like. So it's kind of useful. I'm like, oh, that's a really smart take on that. Or that was really good that they did this.

And I see what he's saying because, and what you're saying, because that I don't stay on the coaching one for that long. So listen to what I just said. It's more interesting and more useful, more educational, and not full of garbage. And I don't stay on it for very long. There's just no, there's no like sucked in desire. Right. The concept of the algorithm has been designed.

It's an AI algorithm basically that is designed to trap you into an echo chamber of your own ideas and sort of affirm what you're already thinking. And that's kind of the issue because it doesn't allow for like, you know, in terms of like having a full spectrum knowledge of a topic, it's like you really only get like you watch one pro ABCD, whatever it is. And then you just get more and more and more of that. And you're like, oh, well, this is what it is then because that's all I'm seeing. And so it's this echo chamber that just constantly reiterates and like drills into you. Oh, this is what you should be thinking about. This is what you should be feeling. And then they. they like that because then they can advertise based on that. So, you know, they can advertise programs. They can advertise products. They can advertise businesses based on how you, how much and how long you watch certain content, what your demographic is and so on. And they can, it's so crazy smart how these algorithms are.

And it shows how powerful AI can be. But it's sort of like working against us in terms of human potential. Yeah, but it also might just be not even that crazy smart. It's like, do you think that it took geniuses working for the food industry to realize if they just put sugar in everything? We're going to eat the crappiest food. Yeah. I mean, they just found what is what gets the most attention and the most eyeballs.

And they're like, we just send that to everybody. Right. Like, it seems almost like a pretty simple process. Yeah. In a lot of ways. The fact that they are really good. at it too and there's a ton of money behind it makes it um even more important that you're aware of that so you can disconnect and go do something else.

I wonder what is a more a harder addiction to break the addiction to sugar and processed food or your addiction to a to social media that is like I mean there are two of like obviously big topics and like the worst things and everyone's like oh I want to like clean up my life Those are like two big things. What if they find a way to combine the two? Oh, God. Sugary phones. He's just licking your screen.

Every time you watch something. The only way you can scroll up is with your tongue. Yeah. And it just gives you sugar. It just can't move. Oh, no. Like, I can't get out of bed. Let me ask you this, because I know this isn't something that pulls your attention in,

but they were talking in the beginning about these ancient scriptures, this Hindu stuff, these descriptions of these. incredible weapons and this is, you know, 5,000 plus years old these stories have come from. And, you know, they, it's in their kind of religious texts, right? Yeah. And these ancient stories. So they don't really set it up like, oh, this is all made up, but there's an important story in here somewhere.

Okay? That's where it gets confusing. Now, maybe they wrote stories differently back then. Who knows? but what is your take on hearing things like they had these quote unquote the divine weapons and they literally sound like nuclear weapons or autonomous um you know intelligent heat seeking spears and spinning discs that can cut people's heads off and is there a plausibility to you that there was a past that actually had kind of modern weaponry or super advanced technology and then it was lost or when you hear people talk about these stories is it one either just I can't even entertain this because this is so outside of my scope of anything that I will even think about or just implausible at all.

These are great questions. Thanks. You're very curious. It's good. You know, I personally, I think I'm into like stories. Like I love Greek mythology. I love the epics. I love to hear like, you know, like I love movies about like, you know, those times and like medieval and these like ancient, not ancient, but like these like old things.

Like even the stories from like the Bible. Like I think the concepts can all be related back to like modern day things. And I love that. about like this. But the Greeks don't have like flying chariots in those stories. No, they do. They're flying chariots. Well, not in their like historical.

They're not talking about like Alexander the Great flying around or having some sort of supernatural powers. Yeah, I would say all cultures have stories that are probably inflated. Summer's here and I don't know about you, but I end up spending way more time outside, whether it's walking the dog, traveling, heading to the gym, or just running around getting stuff done. I want clothes that are comfortable, but still look good.

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Like, oh, this man was seven feet tall. Maybe he had the balls of a seven-foot tall man because he was just really brave, right? But he wasn't actually seven or ten feet tall or whatever it was. You know, these weapons, it's more of like this concept of, you know, high intelligence and an eagerness to to dominate, right, rather than like the ability to. And so it's really hard because I personally, there's, there is sort of elements of all of the ors that you, you offered to me, is that like some of it is really hard for me to fathom it being a real possibility. But I can't say for sure. I don't think anyone can say for sure

that it wasn't true. But I think it's unlikely. reasonable. It's unlikely, given where we're at now. That being said, I know the power of human curiosity. I know the power of human greed and drive for power and wealth and all of the things. And so that's what like world domination has always been about. And so maybe in ancient times there was world domination that fell apart, right? Like someone did dominate the world and they had all of the power and the technology. the money and these advancements were in development. And then there was like one of those cataclysms. Yeah. Like a flood or an ice age or that could really throw us back into a more prehistoric period. Yeah. The people at the forefront of that were just like casualties in this natural disaster.

And so I find that to be more likely than like it was like wiped out intentionally, you know, just to like hide it because it was like we got too. powerful. Like, I find that hard to believe, like, or that we... I don't know if that's the narrative. Or that we, like, self-destructed, you know, like... Right. I don't know. I don't think that that's possible. I don't think that's human nature to be like, ooh, like, I'm too strong. Yeah, that's the piece for me. No, definitely not that. Nobody would give up the power. We would have to have been hit so hard that there's kind of a reset. Yeah. But then even during these resets, I struggle to believe that so much knowledge can be lost that way,

because these would be the most important pieces of information to carry forward. Yeah. I mean, you could say, oh, no, it's not. It's farming or how we make food. And it's like, yes, yeah, you've got to have basic needs. But if someone could carry forth just one piece of knowledge that puts them far, Imagine if right now something happened and only one person came out the other side with just one AI device. And it was even a shitty one.

They'd be a superhuman. They'd be a god amongst other humans. Do you want to know my like wild thought I had listening to those stories was that I actually find it probably just as likely that all of this happened and then it was like wiped out. then as someone went back in time got trapped and then did something with knowledge that they have from the future that hasn't existed in our timeline yet that actually didn't exist in their timeline, but someone went back and did that because we developed time travel technology. Oh, that's fun. A hundred years from now.

Right. And like this is like, I've got to be clear. This is not something I think about often as like time travel. But when you think about like even the pyramids and so on, it's like, yeah, maybe at some point, far from now, we do have technology that allows us and someone traveled back in time with it. And that's like the one thing that they did to like, they got stuck because there's no technology to travel back. And they were like, this is what I'm going to do. Why?

Why? I don't know. But that's what went through my head. It was like, it's just as likely that, you know, someone, all the right variables from the past aligned to allow someone or some, you know, group to do these things that were like seemed impossible for the times as it is as someone in the future who's figured it out and the ability as well as the ability to like time travel with certain technology or knowledge to replicate it into the past right I mean look you brought up the pyramids and there's a bunch of ancient um sites like go back Lee teppy and things in ancient india that are just such precision cut stone and it just almost doesn't make

any sense. And that is the piece for me because our explanations for it seem really poor. And even when the more they're analyzed by people and they do these laser scans and all the rest of it, it's like the more we realize there's no way we could do this today. Or you would need so much time and money even with the most advanced tools that it just kind of makes me think, well, If they could, that's just a building. Yeah. Right. It's a structure.

What other technologies would they have had? So we're saying they can build this incredible structure, dig it out of all the rock. It's all super precise. Hundreds of tons of stone were removed. We can't even find that stone. And it's just everything's so symmetrical. And there's still fighting wars with bows and arrows. Yeah.

But again. Who freaking knows? But it's super interesting to think. It's like why would they only have one piece? They only had advanced building technology and the warring technology was pretty basic. Or maybe someone, you know, there was a combination of things where it's like these big things,

like the pyramids, like obviously they're hard to destroy because of their just sheer size and vastness. But maybe this same individual hypothetically, they traveled back in time with, you know, some type of like reverse. 3D printing technology knowledge was able to replicate it in a very rudimentary way, just because they were an engineer of it and they understood that it was Bill. And they were like, I'm going to go back and try to advance human technologies faster by taking it.

And they saw all of the small advancements as a momination. But we don't understand how to use weapons of this capacity or this, you know, caliber. So let's build structures for our pharaohs instead. Well, it would at least make sense that the person or people that go back, back in time would go with some decent knowledge. Yeah. I mean, if you just sent a dummy back, then he's like, oh, I didn't pay a lot of attention in school.

I know we have cool stuff, but I can't build any of it. Yeah. It's a bit of a waste. And in this Rogan episode, they talk a bit about like how, and this is like, you know, this is like common knowledge, but like technology advances exponentially. So as we learn more, we learn more and it builds on each other and it builds on each other. So we're learning and we're developing things faster and faster. and faster and bigger and bigger and in kind of greater leaps for human advancement every single time

something happens at like it expedites the next thing and so it is really hard to say are we 20 years from time travel are we 100 years from time travel like it's really hard to estimate because we don't know where the next thing that develops it's going to catalyst to time travel right and I mean they also discussed how five years from five years ago or 10 years ago these people that were investing and developing, these engineers developing these AI, you know, learn language models, they're not, they didn't think about the fact that they could develop the technology, but they could do it and they could operate it without the right capacity for power, right? And so they weren't thinking about how fast they needed to buy land and develop power sources

for the technology because they had no idea how fast. But given the nature of AI, it sort of helped build itself. You know, you build a little bit. It sort of helps you build the next bit faster and the next bit faster and the next bit faster and develop and it learns and itself learns that it's like now all of a sudden it's like bigger than I think even five or ten years ago the developers could have imagined that they would be. And now they're like, whoa, we have it. But we didn't build the infrastructure for it to operate in the capacity that because it's so easy to use. So, you know, there is. And now there's a crazy race for it.

Yeah, of course. And land and power is like the issue. Well, you know, it's funny you bring up time travel too because it's always been such a wacky idea. And then pretty much like physics has said for a long time, this isn't really possible. There was some talk of like wormhole potentials, but that seemed like controlling that would be thousands of years into the future. But they bring up like the UFO thing and the disclosure and the reverse engineering, which was quite new to the guest. He'd never really heard these theories. Or if he had, he wasn't playing with it too much.

He kind of stayed away from it and just let Rogan talk about it, like inventing transistors and all the potential reverse engineered things. But with this disclosure stuff happening, there is lots of talk about these UFOs, UAPs, whatever. Having the ability with the way that they move through space, it's a kind of time travel. Yeah. That's how they warp.

Yeah. They bend space time. And if you can do it for just distances, then, and time is changing there, who's to say how far you could do it for? Yeah. And if we have been reverse engineering them for, God knows, 60, 80 years, then how close could we be? We could be there.

We could be there already. They could be doing it all the time. And maybe the reason things aren't getting all messed up is because it only changed. changes of the timelines. Yeah. Yeah. But it's mind-blowing. It is really mind-blowing. And I think there is, you know, kind of back to your questions that you pose to me, like, is it something I can't think about or is it something I think about all the time? I think it's a combination where it's like, it runs through my mind. Obviously, like, you know, how can you not think about these big unknowns in the world? But, you know, part of me, maybe it's my intelligence level or my curiosity

level that's been dampened. I'm not really sure, but a part of me just sort of shuts it down where I'm like, it's almost overwhelming to continue to think about. And it almost takes me away from my ability to like function in my day to day and like be a good wife and be a good mom. And like, sometimes I just have to check out and be like, well, it's time to go full of laundry or time to go, you know, make dinner. And I can't think about these things anymore because it's almost paralyzing. And I know I'm not alone in that feeling where you feel like stuck and scared thinking about these big scary questions and big scary technologies. Well, if you think constantly about such kind of bigger issues like that all the time,

it's hard to manage your day to day. Yeah. And it's not when things are very much out of your control, which something like this is, like how ancient history could have been or if time travels real or if they are reverse engineering, UAPs, or if AI is going to. a killer kill us all. It's also very difficult not to go down like an existential crisis negative rabbit hole. Yeah. And that's very disruptive. Yeah. Right. So you got to kind of focus on like what's in front of you. If if you find yourself thinking about this type of stuff often,

which of course, because I'm so interested in it, I listen to Rogan all the time and other podcasts similar or anything Graham Hancock talks about, then for me, what's how far, for is just always putting like a positive spin on it. Like I think, wow, we invented all this in the past. That's awesome. That means that we're super capable and something happened and maybe one day we'll find out what it is. Yeah.

Or we've got these UAPs. Maybe we'll get some cool shit out of this. Yeah, exactly. It's only when you put that doom and gloom bit on it. Yeah. And that's kind of something the guests did a little bit about the AI replacing jobs. Yeah. Obviously he has a huge bias.

Yeah. to defend AI. I mean, he's running a company. It would be tough for him to come on, even though some people have Sam Altman from ChatGPT has come on and like at times suggested, yes, it's going to take all the jobs, that would be a real problem.

And there's some reality to that potential. But he also said, and compared it to the Industrial Revolution, like things changed and there were other things to do. Right. And, you know, there is a lot of automation with AI, and I think that is the major concern, because not only can it run any digital tasks very well

and more efficiently and work 24 hours, but I think as soon as the robots get more effective, then what else are they going to be able to do for, you know, unskilled type labor? Yeah. You know, just like loading, moving, sorting. they're going to be able to do that as well pretty quickly. But again, I think there is the potential for it to open.

One, it's going to create a lot of freedom for people. Yeah. You know? Think about people just at their house. How much time do you spend a week, whatever, mowing the lawn, laundry, dishes, sorting, cleaning, fixing things. Could do all of that stuff. Yeah.

Now, it doesn't mean that you're just sailing the couch and watch TV. plenty of people will. Totally. Yeah. They will. But I think that is because we're products of our environment and our environment has been like, oh, that is the luxury in life,

is to sit back and relax. And here's how you do it kind of mindlessly, aimlessly, scroll on your phone, watch TV. But you're also entertained. I think they talked a lot about, you know, we said curiosity and like asking the right questions. And I think it sort of is a good place to begin. is AI in education, right? And like, obviously the public education system was subsidized and

supported by the Rockefellers and they were sort of breeding and training employees for this like nine to five, nine to five industrial type. Yeah, factory jobs. And it's like we've, we've definitely like gotten away from that, but we still, a lot of that structure has stuck. We've also sort of, there's a lot more remote work. There's a lot more flexible work. There's a lot more 24 hours. work. It's a lot more, you know, working for yourself. And so I think then there was maybe 50 years ago, right, even 20 years ago. And so we as a society and as a race sort of evolve and improve ourselves, but it's like not everyone has the luxury to have been raised to think outside the box and to think for themselves. And I think the education system has something to do with some of that.

you know, we're training, we're training kids to, we're testing them on do know the answers. Right. Sit down, shut up. Regurgitate these answers. Get your, rememorize your times tables, memorize your, you know, whatever, your periodic table of elements, like do all the things. And obviously there's like some fundamentals of like arithmetic of like building problem solving resiliency and, you know. Reading. Reading so that you can learn and develop and grow.

Like I don't think there's no. need for education, but when you talk about like, you know, training the next generation of improvisers and people that are developing technologies, it's like the issue is not knowing all the right answers of what's been developed already and how it works in the past. It's, are you asking the right questions that there's no answer for yet? And that was a quite, that was posed on this podcast of like, AI can answer. any quick perplexity, grok, chat, GBC, can answer almost any question

that there's already an answer in a textbook for. And you could spend, you know, a scientist, a science fair, kids basically are just like regurgitating answers that already exist. They're not necessarily finding, they're just proving someone else's theory or whatever. It's like the students, the real test should be,

can you ask a question that there's no answer for? Right. And that is the true test of like the capabilities of humans, and the use of AI is like, then AI is like, I don't have a great answer, but here's how you could find it or here's where to begin. And then that's where science begins and improvement and technology advancement and human advancement. That's where that really can launch. And AI is going to be a really powerful tool to do that. Yeah, I think so.

And also, you know, he talked about how they're integrating AI into exams. They're letting kids use AI in exams. Because in a way, even though they're coming up with these systems that can, like, see if you use AI to write this paper or do these things, I think it's only a matter of time before they just realize they can't stop that. Yeah. The AI will keep getting better to believe that the AI systems that can check to see if you are writing everything with AI won't get fooled. Yeah. You know, it's just a game that chases itself. Yeah.

And I think more and more, they're just going to accept the fact we can't get away from it. This exists. And, I mean, they didn't have this fight with Spellcheck back in the day. Right. I mean, they invented Spell Check. It was a little red wavy line under your word. And then you click on it and find the right word. Very quickly, it's like you're allowed to do that.

Yeah, but to be fair, there is still the argument. I think it floats around of like, oh, spell check makes me a bad speller. I don't know that that's true. but, you know, it makes it so that you don't have to think that hard about it, but you can think harder about other things. You know, you can think about philosophy. You can think about theology. You're not thinking about how do I spell Mississippi.

You know what I mean? And so I do think all technology supports advancement, not necessarily like sustains, like current status of intelligence. Well, I like the idea from AI that you could have somebody that is maybe a bad writer, right? Yeah. But has great stories and great thoughts make great novels. Yeah.

Because now they have all this extra help to put that idea together. And I think the same is true for businesses. Yeah. You have people today that didn't know anything about entrepreneurship or making a business or all the elements that would go into doing it but had these great ideas. Yeah. And they've been able to really piece things together. I mean, I've been on calls with people that were just like, I would have never, like, I've always thought of stuff.

I've always been like, oh, that would be a really good idea to put together. But I don't know the beginning of how I would start. And they're actually making companies out of it that are viable and that make money. And that is a really fascinating addition to their own education. You could do that with kids. Yeah, well, I would say even on a bigger scale, the idea of AI in governance, AI in the legal system, you know, identifying inefficiencies, which like was mentioned, Doge sort of attempted. But Elon was like, I'm not used to these inefficiencies in a business, in a private business or in my sector. So like there's obviously a lot of inefficiencies that like you need to kind of start at a more fundamental level with the government.

but like there could be plenty of individuals that are way better at actually ideating effective solutions implementing effective solutions and efficient solutions and maybe they're just like not very popular maybe they're just like not very personable and they're not going to win the popularity contest that a lot of um political races turn out to be and so it's like we don't maybe we don't need like politicians in the same capacity that we do we don't need someone that looks good in a suit we need someone that looks good in a suit we need someone that as like really efficient ideas to like cut you know to like slim budgets and like you know make people's lives more more comfortable so they can think bigger like get people out of poverty get

people out of survival mode and like I don't think that necessarily it's like some people are really good at certain things and not at other things and it's really hard to find a politician who is expected to be good at like being personable sociable and in in lack of better words good looking enough to like run for like a political office because that's always sort of a thing. Someone's like, oh, he doesn't like look like a politician. Sure. But maybe they have all those things,

but like their ideas are just not very good. Like, or their effectiveness isn't very high. So, you know, if we could take, eliminate the variable of like, you have to like have these things that actually don't really matter in like the efficiency level of governance and then have the people that implement it and that, you know, kind of work the people. and then there's like the system and sort of separate those things.

Look, Joe brings this up often. The idea that AI could just come in and find where all the fraud is happening. It could come to a system and or a department and a whole branch of government and be like, right, why can't we balance the budget here? Now, when it comes to something like the Pentagon that can never balance this budget because of all of its secret programs and who knows how much fraud is going on there, it's about how much they would possibly open the door to it because people like the way things are running when they're deeply in their own system and they're profiting from it. So it's going to take some time. But I think overall that idea, even though it's a bit of a Eupotopian idea, these systems will be implemented into these departments more and more.

They will find more inefficiencies and fraud. and they will tighten up how well they function. Yeah. And they're probably going to find out that they employ way too many people that a lot of them don't do anything. I mean, it'd be one of those. That's going kind of down the road of a doge thing, so there'd be a ton of controversy.

But it's a little hard to argue with an AI system in that sense. Yeah. Right? As long as everybody can believe and understand that it doesn't have some sort of bias, It's just in there to find inefficiencies and fraud and how the department takes forever to run and solves it. I'm pretty hopeful for that future. Oh, me too. We'll see how long that it takes to come on.

But anyway, overall, I think as a guest, he was solid. I liked him coming on the fact that he is, you know, basically the biggest sponsor for Rogan and in that space. I think as AI develops, I, look, we've heard Elon talk about Grock, we've heard Sam Altman talk about chat GPT, they've had other guys on in the AI space, even there's a couple of guys that are like very worried about what AI is and think there should be tons of regulation. Rogan's had them on a few times. I think it might be nice to have one of the leaders in that space come on and be able to give just kind of like real more no bullshit answers

to protecting their system and just like this is what's happening this is kind of where we're at this is the direction we're going he might be a great voice for this yeah I agree I mean it can be really scary to think about all the bad like we talked about before

but if you could reframe the conversation on the positive and be very matter of fact about it then it's like we don't have to, like, there's always going to be the people that want to do harm with technology, that want to do harm with, you know, whatever it is, products, systems, you know, platforms. But if the vast majority of humankind is thinking in a positive direction, then that's the way that advancement's going to go. Yeah.

I think the one thing they did touch on that with AI that does make me fearful, and maybe it's because I'm a parent or maybe it's because I'm just like more sensitive or because of, you know, my sort of personal opinion on like the importance of mental health is these like AI companions and how popular it's becoming with younger generations. It's problematic. It's problematic. And I do think there needs to be a continual conversation on how,

and education on like that's different than getting, you know, it's not a, emotions are different than like knowledge. Sure. You know, and children are fragile and they're. But like anything, it's in the really early stages. It is. It won't surprise me if in 40 years everybody has their, I don't know if it would be like your robot friend,

but it's probably going to be something like that. Yeah. And they're probably going to find ways to make them productive. and constructive and people feel supported by it. Yeah. And it's a useful companion. Yeah. I don't think that's impossible.

I don't think so, but, you know, they kind of, like, a quote was like, the business model incentives are not aligned to humanity. That's true. So keeping the conversation on humanity and improving it and making it better and being a tool for it instead of harming it. That's really important. Yeah. I think I think you're right.

And on that note, that's it from us. Check this guy out. it interesting. I'd like to hear about your whether you think that this was a big conflict of interest episodes since that is like the biggest thing that was talked about online. And yeah, that's it from us. We'll talk to you guys next time. Thank you.