Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - JRE 534 Rupert Lowe

Episode Date: July 14, 2026

This week we're breaking down Joe Rogan's conversation with Rupert Lowe. We cover the biggest talking points, including immigration, free speech, crime, the UK political landscape, gun laws, cultural change, and why this episode has sparked so much debate online. As always, we separate the strongest arguments from the weakest, add some context, throw in a few laughs, and give our final ratings on one of the week's most talked-about JRE episodes. Thanks to this weeks sponsors: Rappin the Rivers: Go to Eventbrite.com or Sellout Events to get your tickets for Rappin the Rivers Festival 2026, August 7th and 8th in Cardwell, Montana, featuring DaBaby, That Mexican OT, Paul Wall, Kid Ink, Young Dirty Bastard, and more. For full festival details, go to RappinTheRiversMT.com. Camping is included. Rocket Money: Go to RocketMoney.com/JRER to cancel unwanted subscriptions, monitor your spending, lower your bills, and grow your savings. Hims: Go to Hims.com/JRER for simple online access to personalized, affordable care for ED, hair loss, weight loss, and more. Get 25% off your first order from Zazzle by visiting www.zazzle.com/JRER. Please email us here with any suggestions, comments and questions for future shows.. [e-mail]

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Robert Lowe is a British MP for Great Yama and the leader of the Restore Britain group. He came on the preliminary to discuss the privately funded inquiry into the organized child sexual exploitation in the UK. So he brought on 20,000 people to contribute 600,000 pounds to write. up this thing. It's pretty fucking shocking, dude. I'm joined today by Brian, and Brian, you're from the US.

Like, this is a long way from your home. This is obviously my home. But, like, what does that sound like to you when you hear something like this? Yeah, it's pretty shocking. he covered a lot of territory that's for sure a lot of it I wasn't even aware of I mean you was I've been I've been gone from the UK for a long time I mean this to me a lot of this was new rape gang that's not good so and to say the least yeah to say the least right

and it sounds like they're even kind of dealing with like they have a like a what does he call it like a parallel legal system that's you know dealing with their own situation mm-hmm yeah i think the sharia law legal system they have going on is separate to this you know this is something that some areas are brought in and they are monitoring their own laws. I guess the government is not really, like, cracking down on like multi-law systems. I don't really understand that. It's like to me, how would that work in the U.S.? Do you think that there could be multi-law systems? Like, a country could just bring in their law, and we would tolerate it or like self-impose it?

Like, how does that work? What do you think is going on that? It seems unlikely but certainly possible, if only in localized situations, right? And I could certainly see, I mean, it probably does happen within communities on an unofficial basis, right? Yeah, yeah, like maybe the Mormons do something.

Right. Right? Or Jehovah's Witnesses. Right, like policing their own. Right. But it's going to be superseded, like murders, murder, rapist, rape is rape, and the local, you know, actual authorities, if they're aware of it, would come in and take over, I would imagine. Well, so do you think that if the punishment that is inflicted for whatever law is broken also breaks a law of that country? then they would have to stop that.

Well, yeah, it's not their country anymore. It's this one. Like, if I go to France, I don't get to say, hey, in America, this is the law. They're like, we don't care if this is France. You know, that's the answer. If you want to live somewhere, you have to follow the laws of the land.

Yeah, but I think that they're not even saying that they broke a British law. they're breaking a Sharia law, right? So if a British law hasn't been broken, nobody's responsible, no law has been broken, but then a Sharia law has been broken, they punish that, and if that punishment breaks the law,

then, you know what I mean? I do, yeah. that's a tricky one I don't know so you know so do you know you know who Sam Harris is

yeah okay so do you know like he obviously talks a lot about religion and stuff like that and I actually went to watch him recently in Dallas did you really? He came here about a month and a half ago

and I went to watch him speak okay yeah he's uh he's got a pretty interesting mind. But, you know, this is kind of what he talks about. He's like, you know, religion across the board, you know, has shown itself to be dangerous. And this is one of the reasons why. I mean, you know, if if Sharia law is dictating that, you know, someone who is, you know, raped and can't prove it or whatever is potentially being, you know, stone to death or something

like that, I mean, that's absurd. And that's just a religious thing. And I think if you're in a society that has advanced enough to realize, like, that's just not how we treat people, then, yeah, you don't, I don't recognize something that brings violence upon nonviolent people, if that makes any sense. So, yeah, that stuff for sure should be punished. Yeah. You can't stone someone for a moral issue. What are we talking about here? That's murder. Right. And I don't know how these courts work in England.

I don't know if they're stoning people. It doesn't, I can't imagine that they would be able to. I think that even England would draw a line on that. But like the fact that they're existing, you know, I'm curious to know the extent of what that means. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. To your point, I'd have to look into that to see what they're actually getting away with and whatnot. And that's kind of the point of the review here is like, you know, there's been a lot of controversy about Lowe coming on and, you know, giving him a platform and being able to speak and this sort of thing and, you know, where he stands in England. but also, you know, this is what Rogan was built on.

Yeah. Okay. He was built on giving a voice to people that he finds interesting, letting them talk and getting that information out there. It's the hard thing from me is that when people push back on that, and I get it, right? I get it. If it's a platformer you don't like, that's unfortunate for you.

Right? Yeah. But for people that just want information that are like, hey, I want a new take on this. Like, what's going on? I'm not trying to hold on to any ideology or any theology of thinking. I want to bring in something fresh and new. And I want an intellectual take, which I think this person brought in. But when I say that, I mean, he was calm, collected, spoke well, you know, he is in parliament, right?

So he's not just a guy off the street. And he has an opinion. And he's bringing up points that people care about. Yeah. Some people. And now it may be difficult for others to hear. But, you know, where do you go from there? Well, I mean, I'm with you.

I don't know the guy. I know he's a politician, and they tend to lie. Right. But I don't have to know everything about somebody to, you know, to hear what they have to say on a subject and at least give us something to think about. You know, like you say, if people are upset that he's getting a platform, first of all, that's a ridiculous thing to say.

Everyone should be able to have a platform to speak their mind. You don't have to listen to it. We certainly can't shut that down. That's a really bad direction to go. Fortunately, it seems like we're going the other way. But yeah, he's an interesting guy. He's definitely has some stuff to talk about. If politics don't work out, he should narrate books.

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right i live in texas so i'm not i'm not too concerned about my rights and my freedom of speech and you know what i'm capable of doing right though i did see some things online recently where some people in like Fort Worth getting arrested for tweeting something or I don't know if they were tweeting or they were saying something out loud

and it was perceived as racist or whatever and they were getting arrested. I don't know about this. I didn't realize that that was a crime. Well I don't know. I saw some Instagram posts on this and I'm

hoping it's not true. But like you have daughters. Imagine if you lived in an area where there were perceived rape gangs, right? Yeah. And this is a hypothetical. But like, let's put it in perspective. Like, we'll very

much remove from this. Like, just imagine you're right there. Yep. Okay. And the government is covering this up. They're trying to hide it. What would you think about this? What would you do? What is your move?

Well, that depends on how, like, imminent that is. I mean, if it's like an ongoing, like, people are in danger, then I'm just going to leave. First of all, I need to get my family out of that situation. If it was the UK, like, where do you move to? Texas. Right? The country?

Yeah, you move to Texas. I mean, if it's a developing situation. See, that's the thing, right? Because didn't he say that this has been kind of going on since like the 70s or? It's been a long time. Mm-hmm. Which added to the shock factor because, again, I don't, I wasn't really aware of any of it. I mean, if this is actually going on, why is it so well?

kept the secret. Oh, the BBC have been covering up Jimmy Saville, dude. Like, you've heard of him, right? I don't think so. Notorious child rapist. Oh, really? And also TV celebrity. Oh. Oh, yeah. They covered him up. I grew up watching this guy. Jim will fix it. Just giving away medals for kids achieving things. And the whole time he was molesting kids. And the BBC covered it up. Yeah. So you have the national broadcast, which everyone has to pay for. Yeah.

And it's like they cover things up. They're not looking to like make things look bad. I don't understand the motivation for that. Is it general morale? Is it pride in country? or is it fear of being called racist, which, I mean, that would be today, right? That's an easy answer today, but not in the 70s.

I think before that it was like he was famous and popular and it's a TV station and they want to be popular. You know, it's a ratings game. But think about it. The being called racist is a ratings game too. Yeah. It's all a popularity game. game. So, you know, I don't want to be called racist because I want to be popular in my circle. I don't want to be

called somebody to call out Jimmy Saville because I want to keep my job and I want to be popular in the space that I work in. And this is the problem when these institutions lose their direction and value. Yeah. I guess it's easy. You know? This is before podcasting, dude. This is before you could like have real values for as stupid as you are.

Yeah. And just say them. Because now people can just listen and just be like, yeah, I trust this. I trust what I'm here. hearing, right? Yeah. I don't care that this doesn't fit with the narrative, right? Yeah.

Whether it's like the Fauci COVID narrative or the, you know, whatever the BBC is throwing out there or the Guardian. Yeah. And, you know, you just get to speak your truth. Yeah. And there, of course, there were quite a few less options back in the day. You only had so many channels and, you know, you kind of like this one. And then you give these personalities that you like and you just kind of gain some trust.

And you stop thinking about what you're being told. Well, he talks about this, right? He talks about CNN, giving him shit about taking Ivermectin and changing his face. I mean, listen, I don't know what you thought about the news before that. I didn't really have a strong opinion either way. I didn't even know that CNN was so full of shit until they played that piece. And it was the most dishonest thing I've ever seen on the news. Yeah.

And I mean, don't get me wrong, Fox News has played some stuff. But yeah, of course. Oh, yeah. Right. But, like, the CNN stuff, I couldn't believe it. When I saw that unfold, I was just like, wait, what? Yeah. I was pretty sure when he released that tweet, I was like, oh, that's fucking great.

Yeah. Like, maybe we should try that stuff because we were all scared. We all needed to know what was going on. Like, what should we take? he just listed like 10 things and I'm like well you know get what you can and then they made it seem like

that was just terrorism dude it was seen as terrorism yeah and telling like telling people to go outside like be generally healthy I don't care what you think this COVID thing is that's good advice

you know and Boys Wow that was such a Yeah that was definitely a A polarizing moment for Us as people And then of course Exposed a lot of news outlets for what they were

Which is just you know Basically whores That are paid to support Whatever they're paid to support Right That was crazy That was really crazy That was really

Crazy. Yeah, the Ivermectin thing. Oh, man. Yeah. Turning him green for the video. Yeah. That's a good one. We're like, we all saw the original where he looked amazing. He looked fine. It looked healthy. Yeah. And you were like, let's make him look insane. Like, thank God that it wasn't like now where we have more AI.

And they could have just like given a lump on it. his head or like some horns. I mean, to be fair, right? To be fair, changing that screen to a different color, like, there's no excuse for that. Yeah. That was an active, like, process. And you could have, like, at that point, you could have just added anything. Yeah.

Right? It's just a lack of ability. Yeah, just throw it into chat GBT and turn it into something else. Yeah, yeah. He just like slowly melts on screen while talking. He's just like, and then gone. Oh, my gosh. He's like, oh, oh, he's gone. Honey, we're getting our second round of boosters today.

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my audience was bigger think about that for podcasts I review his show and my audience was bigger yeah think about that that's pretty

crazy well that says something about how fucking pissed off people are about this type of bullshit well the thing is the the big miscalculation those outfits I think is people don't want to be told how to think

and the reason JRE is so big is not because he puts out a narrative it's just because he's curious and like he'll bring on anybody you're like what do you think about this and sometimes they say some really crazy shit

he'll push back a little bit but you know hey I'll have the conversation ask the questions I mean we're all just curious if we're honest about it. We don't have all the answers. Like we were talking a little bit earlier about religion. Like, you know, I don't have all the answers. So if someone thinks they have the answers, let me talk to them and see what they have to say.

You know, maybe I take some of what they say. Maybe I take all of it. Maybe I take none of it. I don't know until I have the conversation. So that's why it resonates with people because that's just how we are. We just, we like to know things. Right. But if you're surrounded by people that are like only think this way, This is the only way to talk and perceive things. You get into it like you're trapped.

Yeah. Right. And then you feel like an asshole for even having a question. Yeah. And the moment anyone makes you feel like shit for having a question, that's your first sign that something is wrong and you should fight against it. Yeah. That's what I think.

Agreed. Yeah. Yeah. Everything should be questionable. I mean, I even tell my kids. Like, don't take anything that anyone says at face value, including me. If I say something, I think it's true. It doesn't mean it is because I could just be wrong.

Maybe I forgot something or whatever. Yeah, there's a lot of self-righteous people. If it doesn't make sense, be like, that doesn't make sense. Let's talk about it. one of one of the most interesting things that's happening in the rogan space right now is a podcast called no rogan right is these british guys i think a canadian and a british guy and a canadian guy and they come in and they're obviously liberal as hell and they just want to shit on everything rogan says so it's like they they preface their show in a way to be like we

you know we're here to understand Rogan but really what they do is they just there to shit on any points that he makes and then garner that

audience and they it's all they focus on and they come in so self-righteous like they have all the answers. But what are they? They're a show that literally

just shits on another show. Yeah. Like if you want to live like that, go ahead. Like, that's your world. Go ahead. But what does that get you? Plot twist.

They're really big fans of his and they just figured out a great way to make money. Mm-hmm. Like, dude, listen, I have an idea. I ought to check that out. I haven't listened to that. No Rogan. So let's get back to the immigration issue in the UK, right?

They talked about all these people coming in on boats. They're just coming in on boats, a thousand plus a day. They give them, you know, migration stuff right away. They let them have housing according to him. and then they have hotels, they have benefits, they have the rest of it, right? What does that sound like to you? So my take on immigration in general, obviously we have immigration issues here in America as well. I don't have a problem with anybody coming here at any time for any reason.

I have a problem with the social safety net. I think if they're coming here for freedom and opportunity, and they want to build a life and come here and do it, but if you're going to come in here and live in a hotel that I'm paying for and get food that I'm paying for and go to school that I'm paying for and you're not going to contribute, then, go away. Get rid of all that stuff, and then we have nothing to talk about. That's always, oh, they're coming here, they're getting free stuff.

It's like, okay, delete the free stuff. and then you're only going to get people you want. It also doesn't hurt to stop creating war-torn areas of the world. They create a massive refugee situation. We could stop doing that, too. It's kind of nonsense. No, that's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point.

You know, which is a tricky one, because it's like, all right, you know, I mean, you're a conservative guy in general. but also, you know, you understand that like destroying other parts of the world is not helping those people. Right. Right.

So then yeah, they're desperate and they need help. And then being kind enough to be like, all right, come into our place. We'll take care of you. The filtering system is

a problem. That's what, happening right yeah so who who do we believe are coming over right do we believe that the like mothers with their children that are struggling are the ones to get in or a bunch of guys that are just like probably may have caused the problems flying over and just being like oh yeah we got free housing over here yeah like how do we even put systems in and i and i think we all agree right i think even anyone is liberal as you could be you would agree that the people we want to help are the mothers children's the family that that are

trying to like do their best and get over here to either the u.s or the uk and just live a good life right They're not trying to bring their, you know, you bring your religion because you should. That's what you believe in. But you bring also the humility to just join the melting part and then play by the rules, right? You're in a different country. You got to just assimilate. However, what we get is often just this influx of like people that are not willing to do that. They cause a lot of trouble and it's, you know, a massive headache over time with no recourse.

Right. We can't like step back from it and be like, hey, hey, this is a lot. Stop. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what the answer is. I also don't know what the number of troublemakers versus women and children is. I know that the troublemakers are always going to make more headlines, or all the headlines, right?

Yeah, I don't know. It's a big problem. But we have to stop the things that are causing it, right, at least to the extent that we can. We can certainly stop, I don't know, I mean, at a minimum, I guess we can certainly stop bombing those countries, just leave them alone. I mean, why can't we focus on ourselves? We certainly have enough troubles of our own. I feel like we could concern ourselves with that a little bit more. Oh, 100%.

Why in God's name do we need to bomb almost anybody? Right. Right? I mean, listen, I'm not the military industrial complex. They've got their own agenda, right? They want to stay in business. You're a huge organization. It's a really good business.

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but at the same time it's just like can we do can we commit to fucking 20 years a piece could we give one whole generation of people

a bit of peace I feel like we had it right we kind of had it yeah you know when were you born 87 there we go so I mean

we had the golf wall right yeah most of the 90s was chill we had 9-11 that was wild you know

but like we didn't get drafted right we didn't have to go do anything I mean for us it was pretty

chill yeah however a lot of people got pulled into that okay a lot of people got forced to go to war and do

things and but it wasn't at the level of like Vietnam or World War II or, you know, we had a break. Oh, yeah. The Korean Wall, we had a break.

Well, I think that's why, sorry, I think that's why it seemed so chill for us, because even though there have been conflicts going on our entire lives, they're at such a smaller scale, right? Like World War II, they're literally collecting pots and pans so they can melt them down and turn them into machine guns. Right. That's a crazy level of participation. You know there's a war going on.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think I said before, my grandfather remembers, like, the wealthy people in his town, like, pulling down his fences for the iron. Yeah. And being happy to do it. Yeah. Like, that's a different level, for sure.

For sure. All right, so Beirut, they talked about that. It was back in the 60s, pretty progressive place, right? Great wine, great place to go. Now, I want people to just put that in perspective of like, that was a thing, okay? because it's easy to see these places now is just like chaos in their own right or whatever you believe it is but like these places had reached a point in the past that were worthy of visiting and enjoying and being a part of and my question is what elements led to that destruction

was it their fault? Was it our fault? You know? Was it? I don't really know. Yeah. I don't either. Hey, we're not historians.

We're not here to figure it out. But it makes you think, right, Brian? It makes you think that like, okay, so this place was seriously pretty progressive, fun, a great place to travel to. and now it's really unobtainable. Like you can't go there. Like why are we working in this direction?

Same with Russia, dude. Like in the 90s, I could have gone to Russia. I could have traveled there. I know friends that did it. There's beautiful places over there. Oh yeah. Can't go over there anymore. Why are we getting to this point where,

why are we moving in this direction to where these places are, you can't go with the enemy, and they are the enemy, whatever. It's like, what is going on? It is kind of weird, right? Because in a way, the world is getting smaller

and we have more exposure to people from all over the place, except for Korea. But, But it's like the governments are still like trying to or maybe it's just happening because of how they're behaving but still making certain places that we just can't travel to. Yeah, it's kind of a weird thing. There's a lot of places I'd like to go that I certainly can't go today because either I'm not allowed or it's not safe. Where would you go?

Oh, man, all the places. Russia is for, Russia for one. I would love to visit different parts of the Middle East. I don't like hot and sand, but I'm just like curious about certain parts of their culture. Dude, I would love to go over there and visit some of the ancient structures. Yeah, dude, for sure. Are you kidding me? Like, and I know there's a little bit of irony in this, but like I watched Lawrence of Arabia,

obviously a war movie take place in the Middle East. But, you know, I see the way he's interacting with a lot of these different, you know, tribes people, stuff like that. I'm like, man, like, some of that stuff's kind of cool. Like, I like to see that. That's probably not going to happen in my lifetime. A lot of places in South America are probably a little sketchy. Yeah, but also, like, you know, I don't know if anything necessarily is really changed. and I feel like

if you went to Russia, if you could get in there, like it's not like the Russian people are gonna just fucking come at you. Right. Yeah. No. They're gonna be like, oh, cool. All right. What are you up to?

Yeah. And it's completely closed off. It's like the biggest land mass ever. We got like Moscow, St. Petersburg. We got incredible places over there. And they just close it off because they want to invent these frustrations and wars and, and they just shut us down.

So when's the last time, so we as Americans cannot travel to Russia right now, is that correct? I think it is. Okay. Let me look it up. We know I have a Jamie, but let's see. A, a Politic with perplexity.

Yeah, right. Let's see what it says. Yeah, so it's legally possible for foreign nationals, including Americans, to travel to Russia. But it's difficult. Okay.

However, if you are a U.S. citizen, the current advice is much stronger than simply travel carefully. So... they're kind of saying no what about brits can i go yeah you guys aren't an empire you weren't a threat uh yes we can go provided we obtain a visa all right however the uk advises against traveling to russia probably for the same reasons

probably related to like the ukraine right so it occurs to me that a lot of these things that we think may be dangerous, or a lot of these places we may think are dangerous to travel to, maybe aren't as dangerous as we think simply because of our perception of the area. Like, I don't, I don't know if I told you this, but like, you know, during the COVID time, we lived south of the Seattle area and they had all those riots and, you know, When I spoke to people that didn't live there, they're like, oh, man, like, it sounds like it's, you know, Fallujah out there. You know, how do you even go to the story? And I saw and heard nothing, like, on the daily basis. So it makes me wonder, like, how much of that is even true? And could we maybe go to these places and it will be okay. Like, I guarantee you there's an American in Russia right now just, like hanging out. And if you heard us talk and you'd be like, oh, it's a lot of problem, man. Right. Just get your paper thing stamped and come over here.

I'm looking out flights right now. There we go. I'm seeing if that possible. We're leaving tomorrow. Let's go. Me and you. Yes, sir. St. Petersburg.

Here we come. Let's see what we got. All right. $1,600 Dallas to Moscow. Boom. All right. I guess you go. $1,400.

It's cheaper than going. going to England. Yeah. Yeah. All right. You can go. Cool. But I guess you've got to watch yourself.

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What about the California problems that they talked about? So obviously, Joe is very frustrated with that. We, you know, we heard that Gavin Newsom's, one of his, like, interns had a wire on a great. Love that. And he's in big trouble, potentially. Probably not, though. Like, I feel like if you're the governor of California, you just get away with anything. Yeah, just pretend it never happened.

Right. Just never address it again. You'll be fine. just move on right move on no comment that guy is such a piece of shit yeah he drives me nuts he drives me nuts i never said that i would get political but if he ever runs i i i've promised myself i have to i have to it's so frustrating i don't want to do it i never knew some of her oh the worst. Yeah. The amount of fraud that he stacked up in that state for sure. Yeah. Like, I cannot believe he's got away with it. Dude, so that reminds me something I thought of when,

because I think Joe asked Ruper like, how much is spent on these hotels and whatnot. And he replies, I don't think anyone knows. It's like, what the fuck? They're not. They're not. not they're not telling you because they it's bad for votes yeah but i mean there's so many different i mean the u.s government does the same thing you know like how many times is uh what is it that failed the audit like you know 14 yeah you know how every they just fail the audit and just carry on smile and wave boys uh that's crazy to me in no other aspect of life can you just do that. I'm amazed people pay taxes.

Yeah. Well, that's the other thing. I'm amazed. Just like Tucker was saying, I like, I swear to God, I swear to God, there should be a time where people like, nope, not this year. Yeah. And we just wait. And they're like, oh shit. Yeah.

Like, we forget the power we have. You know, and this is the whole frustration I have with COVID. You know, and all the story behind it. It's like, everyone play by the rules. We all play by the rules. I'm like, listen, I get it. You know, you can't run across the street when cars are there. Okay?

You can't, like, throw bricks through windows for no reason. Like, yeah, there are laws, you know, there are things that you don't do because society collapses. But if you think for a second that if we all. came together and we're like, we're not paying taxes. We're not doing this. We are standing up for what we believe in and we don't have power. You're out of your mind. Yeah.

Like, there's so much power in that. But after COVID, I don't believe in the human race at all when it comes to that. I'm sorry. We did come over with pretty big air. They followed every rule. Yeah. Everyone did. So I'm like, uh, I guess we just get.

fucking walk to long to the next thing. It was weird because I remember when, like when it first came about, like you said in the beginning, we were scared, we didn't know what it was.

Because, I mean, dude, every now and then something legit comes along that wipes out the human race. And you're like, is this it? Could have been it?

Yeah, could have been it. It wasn't it. But we didn't know early. but you have to adjust to the new information coming out and my general policy is if everybody is saying one thing or panicking and I'd like take step back and be like all right maybe uh do you remember when people were washing their um Amazon boxes yeah

spraying them spraying him dude yeah And like I am not going to lie, day one, I was on that. Yeah. I was like, oh, we should spray it. You know what was weird for me, Brian, is where I lived in Santa Monica, within four days of the shutdown, my older neighbor upstairs died. Oh, wow. And I knew her for like three years.

She was an old lady that used to be a nurse. She was sweet as hell. And the black lady, she just, she was so nice. She was such a sweet person. She was always so kind. I would help her with a laundry up to the laundry unit that was right by my apartment. And all of a sudden, they, like, carry her out on a gurney, right? this is the beginning of COVID for me.

So I'm like, is this a plague? Yeah. And I go down and I speak to the guy carrying him out and they go, we can't tell you the cause of death. So that's private. Which makes sense. That's reasonable. That's standard, you know, kind of like medical stuff. And I said, just could you tell me was this COVID?

Like did COVID get her? Because I don't know how serious this is. And he goes, we don't know. We've got to take her away. Like, could you just stand back? Yeah. So for a minute, I was paranoid as hell too. Yeah.

I understand where people were coming from when they were like that scared. Yeah. I get it. Because I was just like, holy shit. Yeah, it turns out she was just old as hell and died. Yeah. It had nothing to do with COVID. I actually don't know anyone that died of COVID personally.

I know friends that have told me about people that have died of COVID, but I know more people that have took the vaccine and had horrendous reactions. Yeah. Honestly. Yeah. But that took time. That took a lot of time. And the whole time I'm like being inundated by news about how to think, how to be.

like even my mother when I went back to England even my mother like like we were drinking it was Christmas we were having a good time but she was like show me your vaccine card

and like got crazy about it and I'm like mom I got I got my vaccine I took the J&J though Johnson and Johnson yeah I didn't take the I didn't take the RNA one.

What did you take? I didn't. I didn't. Nothing? I had zero. Strong. I don't know. So I had a thought about that very early on.

And I don't know. I was extremely skeptical of anything that came out that quickly, just because I'm generally aware of how long it takes to develop a vaccine. it's like seven years on average so I'm like I don't know what the fuck that is but I'm terrified oh they sped it up dude they sped it up with super science yeah just cut all the red tape

yeah exactly and so it's not it's not because I wasn't afraid without it I was afraid of it I was truly like I don't know what's going to happen later but they don't either we just haven't had it long enough you know So, I mean, I don't know.

I mean, we still don't know. It's unfolding before us. And there's a lot of people I know got it. All right. You know? Did your kids get the vaccine? Uh-uh. Nice.

Yeah. Going under my roof. But a lot of people I know got it. And I'm like, hey, cool. You know, I get it. Yeah. Get it. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, I certainly don't. I understand. I just, I was a comfortable with it. Yeah, it was a wild time, dude. It was. And I think it was like a big

buildup into the Elon Musk free speech thing. And I mean, if not everyone likes Elon Musk. Not everyone thinks that what he has done for free speech is powerful.

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And, you know, people will be like, well, he's so rich, and, you know, now he's a trillion. I'm like, dude, that was a fucking risk. Yeah. That was a risk after firing rockets into space that we're going to bankrupt him. Yeah. Like he closed down a lot of the bullshit that was going on on X,

that was shutting out people having opinions. And the frustration now, look, here's the thing. I get the frustration. But the argument is this. It's speech you don't like. Exactly. And that's what free speech is. Yeah.

So I don't get it. Like, you either are for free speech or you're not. Right. I don't like every bit of speech that I hear. I don't like it. But I'm glad it exists. Right. No, that's, uh,

uh, I heard someone say a while ago, like, um, speech that you like is, not the speech that needs to be protected, obviously, right? Like, you're not going to pass a law saying that I'm allowed to say how awesome you are. It kind of goes without saying, but if I'm like telling you, you're a shit bag and you're like, hey, I don't like to hear that. Right. I mean, Brian, look, let's be honest.

Me, you were in a men's group, right? Yeah. We had to call each other out on our bullshit. Yeah. Or at least that was the point of it. Yeah. And, you know, it was a group of men that were like, all right, I'm doing this, I'm doing this, I'm not doing this, I need this help, I need this. And other people would be like, well, you know, step up or this is what you should try.

It's not things you wanted to hear, Brian, right? It's not things I wanted to hear. It's why we did this. Exactly. That's why those things were important. Right. That is an example of free speech. And even those groups, and I've done them a long time, right? I've done them with people like Sean and other people. And it's they become, they become self-help groups. They become patting each other on the back groups. They become groups of just what do you need? what's missing rather than a challenge

and they become their own echo chambers and this is the problem with free speech it's so difficult for people to hear and accept so I get it I get why people are upset by it

I get why people like that should that's not speech I like yeah it's hard to hear it's hard to hear when you're being challenged Yeah, but it's easier to hear if you're actively interested in growing, right? I think that's the key. Yeah.

I think that's the key. Like, if you don't want to hear it, you don't want to grow. Yeah. Well, and so, like, I'll hear stuff sometimes that will, like, hurt my feelings, you know? I'm honest with myself, like, hey, that hurt my feelings. but then I reflect on it a little bit. Is there any truth of that? Yeah, there is.

Okay, well, let's course correct a little bit. Or no, there's not. They're just being a deck. Okay, so we're not going to worry about it. But, dude, if you're, like, if I want to be better at who I am, then I want to hear, if all I ever hear is positive feedback, a lot of that is lies because I have so much to get better at, in everything. So if all you ever do is tell me how amazing.

I am. I'm like, hey, Adam, you know, let's check in here. What do you think about this? I did this, this, this, this, and this is bad. If you're like, killing it, bro, awesome. I'm like, okay? Well, you didn't help me at all. And I'm specifically coming here for help. So, hey, there's a time and a place, though.

There's a time and a place for just bigging people up. I love to do that. I love to do that. But here's the problem and you've hit the nail on the head is like, It's great when you've got momentum and you're hammering it. But the moment you come into a challenge, just being like, hey, you've got this, is like there's a balance there between, yeah, you've got this. And also, how do you really feel?

And if you're like, I feel nervous about it. Okay, why? And then we get into the real talk, right? That's where it gets serious. and people are not willing to hear this. And if you're talking about online, you're in your echo chamber of like, I want to feel just validated constantly.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's why we need comedians, offensive comedians to call us out on stuff and remind us what makes sense. Exactly. Thank you for you, share us. Yeah, dude.

I mean, I don't know. I can't improve on what you just said. Yeah, I love it. This guy, look, I don't know if I agree with them all the way. I don't know the politics of England right now. I, excuse me, you know, I spoke to a lot of people in England. They have a lot of mixed feelings about this guy, okay? It's like people are, especially in my family, real upset.

with this individual. You know, at the same time, I would say just for the sake of it, like, look at the report. You know, if you, like, give a shit, look at the report and have, like, your own opinion. And you don't have to believe everything you see.

It was crowdfunded. But, like, that to me sounds fucking horrific. And if you care about your country and you care about not just, just the UK, but like the US, like incorporate that into your thinking. And it's definitely worth listening to. It's a bit, it's a bit like parliamentary, bless them. But I'm glad Rogan had him on.

This is what Rogan's all about. He has people on that, that people want to agree with, that are controversial, that have something different to say. and I think that it's like not a warning for other countries, but it's like education for people everywhere. Yeah, absolutely. If you care about human beings, it's worth looking into it. Let's go.

All right, and on that, thank you, Brian, for joining me, as always. And we will talk to you guys next week. Adios.