Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - JRE review of 1248 with Bill Ottman

Episode Date: February 21, 2019

Bill Ottman is CEO of Minds social media. He had a great conversation with Joe and there’s a lot to learn about how big tech companies are harvesting our data. I really enjoyed this conversation and it seems to bringing up many themes that are getting repeated about online freedoms during JRE podcasts. Enjoy my review folks! Please email me with any suggestions and questions for future Reviews: [e-mail]

Soy Paco y voy a ser periodista. El futuro es exigente pero me siento preparado. También doblegrado en comunicación, con comunicación digital, doblegrado en derecho y adenio, fisioterapia, de forte, más de 30 años formando profesionales de éxito. CENTRO UNIVERSITARIO Sánicidoro, al escrito a la Universidad Pablo dio la vida de Sevilla. En tranceentro-sanicidoro.es y prepárate para el futuro hoy. Hi! Hello and welcome to another episode of the JRE review. Today I'm reviewing conversation Joe had on podcast 1248 with Bill Ottman. I hadn't heard of Bill Ottman until this podcast so it was new to me. A lot of times I've heard of the guest or I get wind of him and I can do a little bit of research But I didn't know who he was

Supposedly he is an entrepreneur in the tech Indus in tech world for doing an oh kind of an open source social media platform called mines and Even though he was banned from the Google Play Store, it's a lot of people use it. It's nothing like Facebook or Twitter or anything but it's set up in a different way and he gets into it in the podcast.

But anyway, let's start the review. Welcome to the Joe Rogan Experience Room View! Where each week I review every single episode of the Joe Rogan Experience. What more do you want? Firstly, Joe describes this guy as kind of looking like a computer hacker. You know, like, uh, one of the guys off that show robot or I think Joe even said something like the kind of computer hackers that you'd see on house of cards that like gets brought in to like bring down a company or something. Yeah. But you kind of imagine he looks like that, you know, he owns a social media

network in a sense. And I had a look at it briefly, I mean, I don't know much about it, maybe you guys know more, but it looks pretty interesting. He set it up in a way to where I guess he's kind of fighting against the lack of freedoms that you get on Twitter and Instagram, Facebook, these sorts of things, how they control the feed, how they will put different people and pictures up at different times and only show it to certain people. And it's all, you know, in these algorithms to make a lot of money. And not to say that people don't have the right to make money or the rest of it, but

if he thinks, you know, Bill was saying that it's a better strategy to just kind of let people earn merit in their own social media and that gives them more views and it gives people more chances to have their stuff looked at, you know, instead of things just going viral on all the rest of it. So kind of an interesting idea. I thought that that was kind of fascinating. He also said that some sort of imposter contacted him and pretended to be Joey Diaz for some reason, I don't know why, and Joe found that quite funny, but also said, you know, there's people out there doing weird things, and then Joe and Bill talked a little bit about the people that have accounts that are either like Joe Rogan or they just spliced together videos like fan sites and that sort of thing and Bill was asking what he thinks about it and Joe was saying it's

pretty useful for people that are fans and kind of helps people see more stuff about you know the podcast which is news me, and that's good news, because basically what I'm doing with this podcast, reviewing his stuff, it helps fans of his show understand a little bit more maybe about the guest and about what went on in the podcast and just creates a bit of a dialogue, and it's nice to know that he's open to that, and yeah, like I said, that's it's nice to know that he's open to that and Yeah, like I said that that's fairly good for me. So that's good. I'll keep working hard Bill is very concerned about online companies spying on people, you know What what does it mean to have the company spy on you how bad it is?

How bad is it and how do you feel about it? It's not good. I don't like it It's definitely an invasion and privacy and it's one of those things you're just not aware of. You know, you do sign that terms of agreement, but nobody's reading that. Nobody knows What the hell that really says? So there you are agreeing to these things and now they know A lot of the shit that you do your habits What direction you're heading in when you're A lot of the shit that you do your habits what direction you're heading in when you're you know possibly even making decisions and they're Preempting what decisions you're making based off what other people What decisions are the people have made based on the things that they've been looking at or the kind of patterns that you have for searching

So I guess in a way it's good and bad, right? I mean, I've always felt like if you're going to watch TV and you have to watch commercials, why not have commercials of stuff that you're actually going to buy, right? If you're just a guy in his 20s, you're not going to care about a tampon commercial, you know, or catheter commercials. But maybe if it was stuff really just related to what you're into, it's actually worth your time to look at some advertising. So I think for that reason, it's kind of beneficial. I mean, if it's to help you find things

that are gonna benefit your life, that's not bad. Let's say you wanna get into the outdoors, so then you start seeing advertisements of like camping and stuff like that. I mean, that data needs to be mined somehow for them to know that you're even into it. Yet at the same time, it's dangerous when they know too much. It's kind of, it's definitely taking away some of your freedoms.

And that brings me to the next point and kind of a repeated dialogue on the Joe Rogan experience with a lot of guests these days is censorship and their censorship problem, you know, controlling content in the sense of it being a horrible manipulation or banning people from their social media accounts, taking them out of the system so they don't even have a voice anymore, who chooses to do that and what order are they putting it in. And, you know, who's in charge of this as well you know who is allowing this to happen. And it's definitely a dialogue that concerns Joe and definitely Bill Ottman and that's

why on his platform, mine's he's trying to move away from that he's trying to create a better system. You know and he was even saying that his ideas are not set in stone. He's willing to be flexible and learn a new strategy for this. He's kind of open to that idea. But I like this dialogue. It would be nice for a lot of these leaders to get together and have a chilled, how cool would it be? Imagine if Joe had Zuckerberg on Jack Dorsey, Top Guys at Google, Top Guys at YouTube, you know, had Bill back on, just people that are setting up these and running these large social media platforms, maybe the Snapchat guys, had a more like a, you know, a group forum

but kept it calm, kept the conversation, you know, civil, and we got some real answers instead of kind of, you know, kind of politician type responses. I think it would be great, and I think we would learn that they're just trying to figure it out as they go, and they're not trying to necessarily be bad guys and manipulate the system, and it's not a big conspiracy, but they're learning as they go. It's not easy. not a big conspiracy, but they're learning as they go. It's not easy. Bill doesn't like Facebook at all. He doesn't like what it is. He also doesn't like Instagram for the same reason because they own Facebook. I guess they own WhatsApp too. I didn't realize they own WhatsApp. Well, maybe I knew that. I don't know. But he's really moving away from them. He says they mind too much data. And just Facebook generally is, he said that they were doing something with likes and

reducing likes and they even knew that it was depressing people but it would make them all money so they kept doing it. And I don't know what I think about that but it sounds like something Facebook would do. Like the more I learn about Facebook, it just, it doesn't sound good. It doesn't make me want to use my account more. I don't really use mine. I don't know about you guys.

What are you guys using now? I think everyone's using Instagram. It's just so easy to use. He's talking about how his app is more about freedom and nonsensual shit than a bunch of censorship. but at the same time he is competing against these guys and he is the CEO So maybe this is just an interesting way to like make his Social media things seem cooler like his way to be different. I don't know. He seemed His ideologies were were pretty cool

I thought and it was coming across in this conversation. It was fairly genuine and cared about the end result of this, which I like. But who knows? Enough money starts flooding in. Maybe all these people start to change. Yeah, I don't know. The idea behind his app though, a big part of it, is the saying more people can see your stuff.

So whereas you gave the example that you could have a Twitter account for a long time, and if nothing goes viral, maybe nobody ever kind of latches on to where your information is. But through his site, you can like build credits that allow you more exposure, and that gives people an opportunity to see what you're discussing and if it's good enough, you'll get some attention that way. So I guess the the Twitter and Instagram, the other ones have these algorithms that don't always put you in a good position for being seen. It's kind of unfairly chosen and he's saying that his social media kind of leaves

it open a little bit better. I don't know, I don't use a ton of social media anyway, but I am kind of curious to use minds for a little bit and see how it goes I mean, you know Joe gave him a platform to speak and I quite like what he was saying so it's worth kind of delving in and seeing what What there is I mean you often find really good things on Rogan's podcast. So it's a good way to try some things out. They talk a little bit about disconnecting as well and this is good for anybody. Bill says that he puts his phone down and he has strict lines that must be held. Joe agreed. There are times when you are just not online, you are not checking social media, you are not looking at these things.

And in the same aspect, Joe was saying that he gives himself a day a week where he does nothing but chills, nothing, you know, because he's like redlining six days a week as he describes it and he gives himself a whole day off. And I really like the idea of that. I mean, I think a lot of times we give ourselves too much time off that we have an earn then it doesn't make us feel good. But if you're really running hard

and some very successful people are, you've got to chill. You've got to give yourself time to chill and sometimes people don't even know how to. So this is good and bad. You can be too motivated and definitely not motivated enough. But I like this conversation, and I like what Bill had to say.

It was really good to make sure you guys check it out, and thanks a lot for downloading. Appreciate it. Peace. ¡Adiós! El que convierte cualquier plan en uno mejor y el que nos da ese carácter que tanto nos define. En Viñazol elaboramos nuestros vinos con el Sol Mediterráneo y así te brindamos el mejor de los sabores. Viñazol, el sabor del Mediterráneo. El oleaje en las playas de la costa daurada.

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