Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - JRE review of MMA 60 with Forrest Griffin

Episode Date: April 6, 2019

Forrest is now part of the team that funs the UFC performance institute. This conversation with Joe talks about what the institute is doing and how they are learning the best way to support the fighters. Forrest as usual is on form and being pretty funny. Very enjoyable podcast. Enjoy my review folks! Please email me with any suggestions and questions for future Reviews: [e-mail]

Hello and welcome to another episode of the JRE review. Where basically I just go over the podcast of Joe Rogan's experience, I talk about things that I like, things that I learned, things that were inspiring and shit that I don't understand which is plenty of it. Today is podcast for the MMA portion of his show, number 60 with Forest Griff in Clint Wattenberg, it's an interesting name, and Dr. Duncan French. Now these guys all work for the UFC Performance Institute, which is a new part of the UFC where fighters can go and train in pretty amazing facilities by all accounts.

Now when you listen to this episode on Joe's podcast, if you're into this sort of thing and you're a big fan of the UFC, you want to know about the best ways of training and things like that, then take some notes. It's complicated. They say a lot of things. So there we go. Let's start the review. Welcome to the Joe Rogan Experience Room View! Where each week I review every single episode of the Joe Rogan Experience. What more do you want? Now, I haven't seen a lot of information about the performance institute other than fighters

talk about how freaking great it is. I think the first time I heard about it was when Angano was training over there Because he didn't really have anywhere to train So he just kind of moved in to that facility and was training there In some ways the the thought that I got out of it is it kind of seems like a training facility like at what the rushing guy I had on Rocky 4 He had you know all the super cool machines and he's just

training away and all the scientists are there plugging him in and seeing the best way to training while Rocky's like running through the woods and carrying logs and things like this. That's the kind of idea that I got behind it. Obviously, it's far more technical now. It's 2019. They've got all sorts of stuff up there they kind of talk about how really the focus is personalizing the fighters training schedule they're diets all sorts of things like this and you know it's really about seeing the fighters as athletes and you know I've always seen them of a thought of them as athletes, but I guess in the past, a lot of these guys have just trained as thugs in a sense. I mean, maybe that's too strong of a word, but the training is all over the place in

the past. Now they're really kind of formalizing their training, they're learning so much more about what each fighter needs and the big focus is on recovery. It's like what is the best way for fighters to learn, their moves to recover, to compete, and then to get back into training as hard as they can again. I guess a lot of times you hear a fight is over training. Joe brings it up with Kane Velasquez quite often, like his mental strength, so high he just trains himself into injuries. So this is a good way to kind of keep an eye on these fighters so you can always get the best out of what you're doing, which I think

is great. That's so good for these guys because if you're a UFC fan, which I am and I'm sure a lot of people listen to Roganar too, It's a real shame when there's a great fighter like Kane Velasquez, right? They can't fight because of his continual injuries. So if there are organizations and basically out there that can help scientifically study the best ways to train and recover, then we're not going to lose as much time with these people. I mean, look at how amazing John Jones is. Fight's all the time, only doesn't fight when he gets in his own controversy. But imagine if now that he's older, he starts getting injured. He starts taking some shots, getting injured, and isn't able to fight.

That would be a real bummer. I mean, we've missed so much of his fighting capability as it is, just because of the trouble that he gets into, to lose more because he and the people around him didn't necessarily understand the best way to train him and put him together, it would be a disaster, really for everything. One thing that I really liked Joe talking about, and it's something that he brings up a lot is the weight cut issue, right? We've talked about this, the weight cut issue. Where's these guys out? They're on death tour by the time they weigh in. Joe knows this because he sees it. He does the announcements for the

weigh-ins and he sees these guys. He sometimes talks, he mostly talks to these guys and he sees that they're just struggling, they're cramping up and you know within a day or so they've got to fight, rehydrate themselves, get their energy back and get in the ring. And he's saying, look, this is dangerous, we need a better way. And being able to talk directly to the guys at the Institute, not that necessarily they make the rules exactly, but they were saying that the UFC could decide. They could decide not to have the weight cuts and you just got away and where you are. I mean you're gonna get a better Athlete at the end of it, right potentially. Now I know some guys really do Prefer to be able to cut weight and then come in heavier and do those sorts of things get that little bit of an advantage

and I know it's all the advantage based often. But you know, is it necessary? Could they do it another way? They were saying that 1Fc is doing that. 1Fc is where Demetrius has gone to and he over there they're not doing the way and they're not doing the weight cuts. I don't know all the information about it, but they were saying that. So it's being tried out. But the guys at the Institute were like, less and more research needs to be done. We need to see what they're doing for an extended period of time. That was kind of a recurring issue in this podcast that I wish had been clearer.

Now I know they just didn't want to commit to necessarily best practices without a ton of research. And it is why they built this institute because there's not the research out there to say definitively, oh, this is the best way to do this and this is the best way to do that. So they're kind of putting that information together, but they didn't commit too much. You'll see that when Joe is asking questions,

they'll be like, well, we need to look into it and we need more research with this. The English guy on the podcast was definitely doing that. He was very careful not to over commit. And a lot of times his answers would just be kind of like complicated words in return. Like, you know, we need to understand the modalities and the optimization and this subjective focus and, you know, more research needs to be done. So not to say that he's skirting the issue, but like anything, you know, when you listen to Joe's podcast, you want to get some answers. You want to know, okay, what is the best way? If they were like, right, what you listen to Joe's podcast, you wanna get some answers. You wanna know, okay, what is the best way?

If they were like, right, well, you wanna do this, eat this way, do this, do this, and then train like this. Now I understand, all athletes at different, all fighters at different, they've got different things that they need. But there's also like averages that you could take that could be passed to just like the regular person.

I mean, they said they had a sauna, but they didn't necessarily say what the sauna, you know, whether it's all that good. A lot of times they said, if a fighter likes it and they feel better, you know, if they're doing like the recovery bath and then, you know, the ice bath and the sauna and then back and forth and if they feel better, then that's cool, you know, that works for them and that's kind of a psychological end of it, but how much it does for the individual necessarily, and whether it's really all that beneficial for the body, who knows?

So I think in some ways, a more definite answer would have been great, but at the same time, you can tell these guys are doing some great work. Another thing I thought was really cool is coming but at the same time, you know, you can tell these guys are doing some great work. Another thing I thought was really cool is coming up to the fight camp, or I mean, the end of the fight camp, you've got fight week as they call it. It's like all the press, a lot of stress, and it's like a week up until the event.

They said that they have a new part of their department now that feeds them for a week, right? It gets them all the meals, what they need, the best way to survive. So they're not left on their own. And I think this is something that even as a UFC fan, people aren't aware of is like so much of getting ready for this fell on the fighters before that. And that's why when you get, you know, the fighters that are the most experienced and have been around for the longest like Lola and these sorts of guys, they already have all their processes down right so they can be more consistent, they know how to do it, they've done these weeks over and over again

but for newer fighters that are like coming at it for the first time, it's tough. So it's cool that they're getting that support and it allows them to Really be in the best position they can so we get to see the best fights the best version of the fight instead of somebody just Gassing out or really collapsing, you know just from the over like the extreme intensity of the entire situation and the entire situation. And really one side note is that I love the fact that the UFC has kept Forest Griffin on as an employee. Really since he's done so much for the organization, you go back to UFC one when he forced Stefan Bonner and it was just such a beast of a fight, Joe talks about it, you know, if you haven't seen that fight, check it out on YouTube, pretty sure it's on there. know, if you haven't seen that fight, check it out on YouTube, pretty sure it's on there. It was unbelievable. Three rounds of rock and sock and smashing, of course, Forest Griffin

won, but it was a very close fight. And, you know, Stefan and Forest went on to be really good fighters, Forest, obviously winning the light heavyweight belt at one point in a really impressive performance over. I believe R believe rampage I think that's who we fought anyone which I really didn't think was going to happen but good for him I mean he really put it together and it got a lot of people talking about the UFC when they had that fight and I it was almost like the turning point I think it's pretty well known so it's cool that they're keeping them on and having him still be a part of the organization. And to be honest, he's a funny dude. He's pretty funny on this podcast and it's a good conversation.

But again, there's a lot of information in there. So if you're into it and you want to know the best ways to train, maybe you're a fighter and you're starting your MMA career or you've been thinking about it, you know, pay attention to what the institute's doing and get as much information out of it as you can. It probably is one of the best places to prepare and train in the world. And it's cool that they're gonna be open up more of these. So anyway, guys, as usual, thanks for listening. Really appreciate it.

Have a nice day. you