Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - The JRE review of 1267 with Gary Taubes & Stephan Guyenet

Episode Date: March 22, 2019

This is the Review of the low carb debate podcast. Joe did a great job trying to get these guys to communicate well but it wasn’t an easy podcast to get through and Joe knew it. If you want to know the answer to the low carb debate this is a start but more talk is needed. Cheers! Enjoy my review folks! Please email me with any suggestions and questions for future Reviews: [e-mail]

Hello and welcome to another episode of the JRE review. Wow, this one. Podcast 1267. Gary Towables and Stephen Goyernet. I don't know how to say his name. Stefan. Wow. It had become clear why saying his name is difficult during this podcast because the guy Gary couldn't say his fans name almost at all and even Joe had a hard why saying his name is difficult during this podcast because the guy Gary couldn't say his fans name Almost at all and even Joe had a hard time saying it this podcast ladies in gentlemen was I'm gonna say it and even Joe did it's difficult to listen to it to in so many ways It's difficult because it was so complicated. I have a science background in fact fact, it's biochemistry, which is the same as the Stefan guy. And I'm not sure what conclusions I made from it.

There's some information in there, but if you're trying to figure out low carb, obesity, versus something else, or you do keto, whatever, shit, take some notes and be patient, because this one was a doozy, but let's start the review Welcome to the Joe Rogan Experience Review where each week I review every single episode of the Joe Rogan Experience. What more do you want? So where to begin? Oh shit where to begin? Joe Rogan Experience. One more do you want? So where to begin? Oh shit. Where to begin?

All right, so the Gary guy, he is the, I guess, low carb guy, right? He's like the keto end of the research of things. And then Stefan, who used to be a fan of Gary's and friends with him, has done his own research and has now a PhD and has decided that that's not the way to go, that it's just overall calorie intake and there's plenty of people that eat lots of sugar,

lots of honey and different places, but they're very active and then therefore, that's what leads to obesity, right? So, oh, my God. This was a tricky one. I'm telling you to get through. I had to go for a walk in the park just to finish it. I was headphones on, let's go.

You know, I'm not gonna give up on this podcast. Like do a review about it. So, fucking, I gotta listen to it. But these two argued a lot. Gary, I think argued the most. He got very defensive, argued a bunch. He was trying to defend to his point and some people are better in discussions than others. And this is always the trouble with the idea of these kind of debates, though they're very important. I love that Joe does these. It's great to have

people on with differing opinions, even strong opinions and see if he can get them to talk. And Joe is a good mediator, but I think he struggled with this one. I think this one was tough to keep these two on track. Stefan was more clearly spoken, more concise and didn't get quite as defensive. His point seemed to make more sense. Personally, I like the idea of Kito, Kide-Januk, so I've done it for a while. Like many people that listen to Rogan,

like you give it a shot, it works great for me. It's hard to do. It takes a ton of discipline. And to do it right is really difficult, because you got to monitor your ketone levels and oftentimes you got to take blood samples. Really, it's like checking for diabetes. Like you prick your finger, you put it,

put the drop of blood on a little, it's like a tab thing that has a microchip in and it reads it, reads your ketones. It's not easy to do and those things aren't cheap. The Pist-Tests one strips are very cheap, but they're not super accurate. And the longer you're in ketosis for, that they don't really show you a great deal. They're good when you're fasting to show you that you're in ketosis, because you make kind of high levels of ketones.

But anyway, that shit works well for me. I have good energy. I'm really focused. I get a lot done. I have good energy. I'm really focused. I get a lot done. I can think clearly. I like eating like that for the most part. And also it really works my discipline muscle. It's not a real muscle, but you know what I mean?

It's like it enhances my discipline for sure, which spills over in other areas of life, because you're not just, you know, you got to think about what you eat, and you got you're not just, you know, you gotta think about what you eat and you gotta maintain the levels, you know, low carbs, super high fat, whatever. And you generally eat better, you feel better, right? So for me it works for a lot of people,

it doesn't, not many people can stay on it. In fact, almost everyone I've ever known that's gone on it as either, yeah, this definitely stopped now, most people fail right away. Maybe they only do a week or so and that's it so I'm curious to know I was curious to listen to this one and figure out what the fuck is going on what's the research saying but no doubt people can eat regular carbs and as long as it's good healthy food and if they work out a ton they're gonna be in good shape too I know Joe goes back and forth between Keto and not Keto and mostly low-carb and you know I go back and forth on things as long as

you're working out pretty hard and your intensity there is solid. I think you're in pretty good shape so in a sense both of these guys were inherently going to be somewhat right. Why they couldn't come to more of an understanding. I don't know. So Stefan's big point is like a lot of the obesity regulation comes from the brain. And there's this thing called lectin, which is some enzyme that or hormone that's created and then that allows you to, it responds to like the fats stimulus, okay? So that's what's causing you to store fat. It's in response to this. So where, on the other side of the coin, you've got Gary who's saying that no, it's carbohydrates

and it doesn't matter how much you work out and how, or how said and Terry you are. Basically, his idea is that, you know, it's the Carbohydrates and Sugar that makes everyone fat and obesity has nothing to do with exercise and working out. Which that has to be bullshit. Like, why, why even through that entity entity argument I have no idea. It really is just like unless you're really trying to drive your point home but to say if you could

just get them up and get them moving and really make them I mean if you take someone really fucking make them sweat the death then you can probably feed them to a point almost anything. I don't know, I don't do research on either of this shit, but just the dismiss exercise seems very silly, indeed, I don't know. The trouble with this one, other than the arguing, is that the point seemed to go round and round and round and see if you can make a head, no tails of it. I think that this, like Joe even said,

this is the beginning of a few conversations that need to be had because I don't know how to get to the bottom of it. Probably chances are, I think it would be better to bring on a couple of people. Stefan should come back on for sure. I like the way he was debating. Gary probably does better on his own. Get him on on his own. Maybe he can make a little bit more sense of things. And because I mean, really, I wasn't 100% sure what he was talking about, really, and what his points were. He kept using these like single person anecdotes like, well, my friend Tom, well, this one lady know, used to eat bread all day and regular other food and blah, blah, blah.

I'm just like, what the hell are you talking about? It's almost like, where you ever get a conversation with somebody, but it's like, somebody at a bar, the ones to tell you about how all these things work and you're just like, dude, how the fuck could you even possibly know any of this you just like sense the bullshit right away I'm not saying the guy is full of shit right I'm just saying that he wasn't very concise with his point and it definitely wasn't persuasive and if anything I went into this with a bias

I would have been on his side I'm more on the low end carbohydrate keto side of things. I think that's really beneficial because it's worked for me. You know, I, I don't know. It's, that is what works for me. And to see Stefan have a completely different idea, a completely different angle where he's coming from. It still ended up that he was the most persuasive, just because he was karma, he didn't argue as much, he didn't get as defensive, and he really kind of backed up his points for as much as he can make. But even with what he was saying, I'm not even 100% sure what his conclusion was. I think his was like, okay, the brain regulates your weight and just keep your calories lower it doesn't matter how you do it. So any whether it's protein, carbohydrates, or fats, doesn't matter

which of the three you have as long as the overall calories are a little bit lower you can lose some weight. That's the end of it. All right fine but what happens if you just fucking love eating and you can't stop? Like, you just can always get a hold of a bag of chips and you're just gonna eat them. And they do save them, more carbs you eat, the more you wanna eat.

And that, I would say, is definitely true. Cause once you're on ketosis for a while, you don't really crave the carbs or the sugar in the same way. You just don't want it. And as soon as you try it, you get a crash and you feel like shit. So you start to associate carbs with like feeling crap. Uh, and with that, because you're more in a state of like, Tosa's, you generally don't need to eat as much. So you can kind of keep your, your overall intake lower and it's not as frustrating.

You don't feel hungry all day long. You just, you feel fine. He's just like, oh, I feel good and your energy's high and you know, and I always work out the most for sure when I'm in ketosis. I don't know if you, any of you guys do it, email me if you do and you get results from it. I'd be, I'd be interested here at,

you don't always get a lot of feedback from people that do it because it's fucking hard to do. But when I do it, that's when I'd be interested here. You don't always get a lot of feedback from people that do it because it's fucking hard to do. But when I do it, that's when I work out the most. Well then, I'm working out the most. That's a good thing, right? You get good benefits from that. And I don't know. I don't know where either of these two guys went. They're seemed like a little bit too much bias and then Gary would come out and shut shoot down every study that's that fun Sited saying that it was a boring year study. I'm like hold on if we can't believe any studies in science How the fuck can we believe anything like what? Are we really supposed to take away from this?

I really supposed to take away from this. I think these debates are just very difficult. Difficult to hash out, science-wise, because maybe it's difficult to piece together a really accurate answer to what's going on. I don't know. I think that in a way anecdotal is what you can go for. I mean, obviously, I'm saying it. I say it works for me. That's just one person, and a way anecdotal is what you can go for it. I mean, obviously I'm saying it. I say it works for me. That's just one person and it's anecdotal and it probably won't work for everybody else. But if you know it works for you, if that's the best way for you to kind of feel and work

out and stay in shape, That's probably a good start, you know, but if you suffer from obesity or you really struggle to lose weight and you're trying to find answers and good science behind it, shit, good luck. Because I think that it's just a massive information out there and it's very difficult. It's very tough. But see if you guys can hammer through this one. If you can, fair play to you. You might get something out of it and if you do, if you can make sense of it and you're smarter than me, which is highly likely because I after listening to this was like, fuck, do I know anything? I can't make any sense of this.

I'm a dummy. You know, let me know. Give me an email and thanks for listening. Cheerio.