Jono, Ben & Megan - The Podcast - How AI will affect the future....

Episode Date: March 4, 2024

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Welcome to the untamed realm of the World Wide Web. A swirling vortex of weirdness, bullying, and self-obsessed social media posts. In this digital jungle, Jono and Vienna are your fearless guides. Leading you through the wildest parts of the Wild Wild Web. This is the Wild Wild Web Here we are Strolling through the Wild Wild Web With another real story That we've discovered on the internet

That seems wild But is actually legit Today Jono You've been going down a rabbit hole On TikTok I have yeah Jordan Peterson He's a psychologist

Canadian psychologist And he always pops up On Instagram feeds Of mine Does he pop up on your Instagram feed? No, I don't know if I've ever seen. You've never seen this guy? No.

Yeah, no, he's very well known. Oh, you know, I Google it. I've seen him, but I haven't. Yeah, okay. No, he's got some stuff. He's got some thoughts and opinions. But this one in particular was what they're doing in China. Now, China, that's a productive country.

They're doing stuff. All your favorite clothes come from China. I mean, they're doing it productive country. They're doing stuff. All your favourite clothes come from China. I mean they're doing it but it's not always, you know. It's just different to the way that maybe other countries operate. Yeah. They're getting results. They're getting results. You name it. They're going to be the superpower if not already.

And this is what they're doing in China. And I would say this is probably a rare glimpse into our future. Okay. And it's not pretty for me and my tinfoil hatted mates from parliament. So in China, for example, if a traffic camera catches you jaywalking in China, the digital ID system has you, has your blood now, has your genetic code, has your photograph. It can identify how you walk. So even if you can't see a face, you can be picked up by gate.

It will convict you of jaywalking and take money out of your bank account with no intermediating judiciary at all. And show a picture of you to the people in the neighborhood so they know that you have jaywalked and reduce your social credit score. And if your social credit score falls below a certain level, then you can't buy drinks from a vending machine. You can't play video games. You can't go on a train. You can't get out of your 15-minute city. All that's already in place in China. Isn't that frightening?

Now, this is one of those stories that you say, was he doing one of your stories where you're like, the camera that you said was when it captured people from the helicopter? Oh, yeah, the police helicopter. I'd heard a rumour or maybe started a rumour that the police helicopter, the Eagle helicopter, that's honestly, it's flying 24 hours a day, that helicopter. It's a busy helicopter.

Especially if you live out near West Auckland. We see that all the time. It had a tracking system in there that if it was chasing maybe someone in a stolen vehicle, it could measure the heart rate of the driver fanging down the motorway. Because there's so many cars, you know. Yeah. Who could it be?

And boom, boom, boom. It's the one with the crazy heart rate. Their adrenaline's up. Yeah. That's not a thing. That's not a thing. That's not true. So I wonder if old mate Jordan Peterson of yours is saying that.

But there is truth in the fact that people are publicly shamed. I'm just looking online. For jaywalking. They get their photos put up. Yeah, they do have a social score. Electronic billboard sort of things. Electronic billboard of like, here's all the jaywalkers from today. Yeah, yeah, you go.

And what does everyone go, oh, tsk, tsk, tsk. What's the reaction to your photo being put up on a jaywalking? I guess it's probably like when you go to a store, you know, and the people are like, these people have potentially stolen stuff from the store. Yeah, but it feels like jaywalking is pretty at the light end of the criminal scale. Shanghai, the city of Shanghai, has 2.6 million cameras. Wow.

That's in 2019, the Guardian reported that. So that's So many cameras Everyone's playing Big Brother Yeah And to a certain extent You feel like you're Tracked anyway

If you've got a cell phone Laptop Any form of device But you get social scores And then I've heard That you can do like I guess it's like Community service almost

And you earn back Social points Oh to get back your points Like demerit points Oh so it's like The goody two-shoes in school where you've got all the good social things I've done. Yeah. And so if you lose social points, you don't have access to just simple things like public

transport. Yeah, they're saying in this article that you could go like buying a plane ticket, renting a house, high-speed internet, getting a loan, all those things you potentially can lose depending on your score. Your score gets too low in the social credit system. There's some positives to it in that no one wants to do anything bad, but like... It's control. It is control.

It's control, Megan. It's not letting people be people. Some people like to jaywalk, bro. I can't over there. I went on, I've told Jono this story, probably not yeah the eastern eastern china and china ear airlines um yeah and that was that was interesting and in the middle of like the morning sorry in the morning when everyone sort of woke up it was like over overnight flight yeah i was watching a movie and i was and i was like oh stopped and tai chi came on and everyone did tai chi on the plane it was quite a peaceful way to

start it was like you're sort of stretching out and you're doing your things i was like this is what it's just like a group class yeah it's like a group class i mean music yeah it was through your headphones it wasn't strenuous like it wasn't a full you know a full workout but it's actually like hey i'm in the middle of my movie yeah and uh you got here playing octopus octopus yeah octopus came for that because i didn't really know what I was ordering for breakfast. It was a breakfast or dinner. I can't remember.

Whatever it was, it was octopus. I was like, oh, well, we're here now. For breakfast? Yeah, it was like a breakfast option. Okay. Yeah. Surprise octopus. Surprise octopus.

I love the octopus things. I don't know how I feel about plain octopus. Did you eat it? Yeah, I ate it. You know, you kind of had to roll into it. It was all right. Yeah. It was it. You know, you kind of had to roll into it. It was all right. Yeah. It was fine.

Yeah. But octopus had been on the plane at that point for a few hours, right? Probably. Yeah. I would imagine so. But we stopped overthinking these things. Enjoy it. When you get plain octopus for breakfast,

you eat that plain octopus. It's all about, you know, trying other cultures. But you can't, when you got to China, you couldn't use Instagram, Facebook. They've got their own social media. We only just went through the airport. We had like a stopover. So we were there for a few hours. culture but you can't you you when you got to china you couldn't use instagram facebook they've got their own social media we only just went through the airport we had like a stopover so

we're there for a few hours and yeah even on your phone you're like oh i went to check instagram it's like it doesn't like it didn't exist it's like you couldn't load it was like facebook and stuff they have their own versions of that over there i think from what i understand control i know do you know Oscar said There's a young boy at a school Who's recently new from China The under 17 National

Chinese Darts champion Oh wow Oh it's obviously really good Wow Very good In a country of How many

Over a billion people He's the bloody darts champion They're applying themselves Because they don't have social media, you know. We piss around on Facebook and Instagram. Yeah, you're probably right, actually. We're mucking around, wasting time on social media. Oh, I tell you what, since we're giving China big ups at the moment.

I'm just trying to level it out. Yeah, no, no. Since we're on the bloody Timu. Oh, you've been caught on Timu? Timu. I haven't bought anything on Temu yet. It's very tempting once you get in there. And you're like, why have I got like a blue flashlight that can,

what's those ones, those lights that the CSI use and there's always semen fluid everywhere. The black light. It's very cheap, very quick to arrive, all the stuff too. Is it? I bought a hand vacuum for here, for the studio. Just a little thing to suck up the dust. Oh, don't tell me how much it was.

$12. It's crazy. They don't want us to support these fast fashion and all this cheap stuff, but it's so cheap. Who doesn't want a $12 handheld vacuum cleaner? Cost of living. And then I get a message from my daughter daughter going can you take the gift and accept this the link here because I'll get

a free gift from technically like they get you on like a system a rewards program yeah if you peddle the propaganda

you get a free gift they 100% have all your personal details oh they're farming hard they know everything about you

one day China's going to go hey guys so you know your internet history yeah we've got it all we've got all that I know I'm trying to steer the high One day China's going to go, hey, guys, so you know your internet history. We've got it all.

We've got all that now. I know. I'm trying to steer the high road, take the high road with them and be like, well, they don't have my data. But they're making it really hard. And it's like TikTok. It's so fun. It's so fun. But we all know, you know deep down what you're signing up for with TikTok.

Yeah. You know, one day it's going to come back to bite you, but you're like, just damn, I love watching people dance. Someone came in the studio the other day with these really cute like gold earrings and i was like where are they from they were like three dollars from temu i was like oh you're making it hard it is hard for local you know businesses you're right you know yeah supporting you balance it out you buy your three dollar earrings and you can go somewhere else and support local business but it's so much fun buying cheaper stuff.

You just get into a hole. I was in a three-hour hole on the thing. Never-ending. Yeah. I don't trust myself on it. Yeah, I wouldn't go on it. If you don't trust yourself shopping, are you a shopaholic? Are you? Yeah. 100%. Would it cost a living? Crisis has really put a dampener on that.

Do you like buying online or do you like buying in store? I like both, but they're quite different experiences. I like buying online because then you have the initial like, oh yeah, I bought it. And then you wait and you get the present.

Oh, I'm excited about that. It got so bad at one point where I was getting like parcels every day and I was like, I wonder what this is because I couldn't remember. I was just buying so much stuff. You were just buying so much stuff.

Just stuff. Like what stuff? I was just making it rain and it was like presents, what this is because I couldn't remember. I was just buying so much stuff. You were just buying so much stuff. Just stuff. What stuff? I was just making it rain and it was like presents, but I'd paid for it. Yeah. And did you get to the point where your shopping package addiction was you having to hide it from Andrew? Yeah. Yeah. And then you gaslight your partner by saying, oh, no, I've had it for ages.

Why has it still got the tag on it? Oh, because I was just waiting until I wore it to take the tag off. I always get let in with how cheap everything is. Oh, you do too, Ben. How much you saved. Yeah. This was only $82. You're like, yeah, but add it up with all the other stuff. It was 50% off, but how much did you pay? Pay for it. That's not important. It's not important what you paid. It's how much I saved. Yeah, that's always my wife's argument. Don't think we're not onto your games. They're trying to bamboozle us with the percentage system.

We don't have any money right now. I bought this ages ago. It's versatile. Everything's always versatile. Let me list off all the places I plan to wear it. I know, but then I'll say, what are you wearing again? Oh, no, I've already worn it. How versatile is this thing?

What is the rule with that? If you've got an outfit and you go out in that outfit, why can't you wear it again? Because you're going to get photos taken. I have this yellow dress and I've worn it a few times now and I'm like, I'll have to retire it. What, like Insta photos with friends and things? Yeah. And so why can't you wear it?

I think it would depend on the place you're wearing it to. Yeah, you can do different events. So like the yellow dress I could maybe wear to a wedding and a baby shower. You know, like different. I can't wear it to more than one wedding. No, no, no, no. Why?

Who's stopping you? No, because they don't. No. Why are you just saying no? But there's no hard evidence. Especially if I have the same, like people, if you have crossover people at the weddings, they're like, well, I'm single now.

Oh, that's that lovely dress you wore at the last wedding. That's lovely. Oh yeah, horrible. That's an insult. Why? Because they've seen me in it. They're like, oh, Pavo, you're wearing the same dress. You haven't got any other dresses.

Tell me how traumatic is it when you turn up to an event and someone's wearing exactly the same thing? That happened, you know, our radio awards that we had last year i've been saving this dress for ages because i bought it before i got pregnant and then i got pregnant twice and i hadn't worn it eventually got to wear it to the radio awards last year like three years after i bought it and i was like no one will have this dress someone was there in the exact same one and i was unmortified is that like you have to keep distance from each other yeah I kept space

I was like no one see me around her she was the same we kind of had an unspoken rule like keep away from me we didn't know each other

but it didn't matter it was just like I was devastated I'd waited three years to wear this yeah I feel like it happens with a sort of

do you want to say a statement piece yeah your standard stuff well it was hot pink you can wear you know like stuff that's like, oh, wow. Yeah, like a bright colour, like a yellow dress. If I was going to wear my matching Bugs Bunny top with my pants,

I wouldn't be wearing that everywhere because everyone's going to remember that. Right. Yeah. So if you wore it to a wedding, maybe don't. Or at a festival. If I wore it to a festival, I would wear it to the next festival. Exactly. Because people are like, oh, that's the guy wearing the same thing again.

Same vibe. Oh, you wouldn't come back and look. No. come back no same vibe yeah obviously i get what you're saying but then stuff you wear to work might be different because you can but here's the hey i'll just try the fence are people actually even saying that or people so caught up in their own shit i got clothes shamed by one of the guys from coterie uh the band oh they're very stylish they're very stylish because they they remember they mocked me in the studio but i mocked them about something and then they they went about my mum. I remember that shirt from your mum's house.

He said, I remember that shirt from your mum's house. It was like we were playful back and forth, and then I turned up to their concert and was hanging out with the guys. I remember the burn, but I'd forgotten it was the same shirt I was wearing. He's like, have you got any other shirts? And I was like, oh. Double down. Double down. It was the one I I was wearing he's like have you got any other shirts so there you go that was just a casual shirt I was in my rotate but not to wear I wouldn't wear that no but I just wouldn't wear it to another coterie related too much trauma associated with this

this is blacklisted for many coterie related things. Those guys are awesome, but I'm definitely not wearing that shirt. Well that was today's Wild Wild Web. Go and have a wonderful day. Thank you for listening.