Jono, Ben & Megan - The Podcast - THE HIT LIST | Week 38

Episode Date: September 18, 2026

Missed the show this week? Don’t worry! We’ve wrapped up all the greatest hits into one easy listen. (00:00) Megan discovers AI can predict her future! (02:30) Jono reads some brutal online hate comments about his Town Crier performance (06:30) Ben’s family gym card system descends into chaos and Megan suggests a “bush solution” And plenty more chaos from the week 👀    Join the Itty Bitty Hitty Committee HERE!Instagram:  @THEHITSBREAKFASTFacebook: The Hits Breakfast with Jono, Ben & Megan See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The John O'Ben and Megan podcast, thanks to Dilma. Goodness really does taste great. Dilma, making the world a better tea. AI might have jumped the shark. There's been a lot of news this week from the tech. The guy that was a part of creating it, didn't he come out and say, look, I quit because it's going to take over. It's going to be hacking all the bank accounts. It's going to be hacking the nuclear codes.

Feels like that horse has bolted. Yeah, a long time ago. They offered him $2 million to sign a contract to not say anything. He didn't take the money. That guy. Well, why didn't he get a moral compass like four years ago? That's why I saw someone on the internet going, this is great that all these people are feeling bad about life now.

Yeah. But for 10 years you've been creating this monster. Yeah. You could have pulled out at any time. But in the meantime, let's have fun with it. So I went to a movie preemate for practical magic, that movie that I was very excited about. On Nicole Kidman, Sanjabulloch.

Yeah, the witchy one. And they gave us tarot cards. Now, I don't know how to read them. I have some friends who do but I... Everyone's got a tarot card person in their group. Yeah. There's always one. But me and my friend are sitting there and we'll have no idea what we're doing here.

And she was like, do you know what? I'm going to ask chat. Chat GBT. So she pulls up, she was like, can you talk me through reading some tarot cards for my friend? It's like, yes, absolutely. So we just ran through the whole thing with chat GPD. And it's telling my fortune.

Just from what we're giving it. We're like, pulled this card. pulled the sun card. Oh, so then you just time it to chat chippy tea. Yeah, and it reads it for you. It's like a very unfortunate teller. All the people in the robes with all the scarves and things. They were out of work too, thanks to AI.

I would have thought that would have been an AI-proof industry. Rubbing the big ball and the... Yeah, it was like accurately vague. You know, like I could apply everything it said to my life in a certain way. Yeah, I know what you're saying. Yeah. But then people are like, oh, that's so me. You're like, okay, yep.

Yeah, so I was like, this is genius. I would have thought that that was a skill that you wouldn't necessarily be able to get from AI, but you can. You can get that too now. It can also predict your future and how bleak it's going to be as well, AI. Things are going to go really bad. I find that with Star Signs, sometimes in the Herald I flick into the star signs. And you're like, they do a great job of going, today's a Monday. You're like, yeah.

Yeah, it is. That relates hard. Have a long week ahead of you. John O'Bennon and Megan. The podcast. The Hits. It is the first day of the Auckland City Rail Link. It feels like a long time in the making.

And if you're at Auckland, it's going to save you a lot of time. But just when you come to Auckland from all around the country, it's going to be something that I imagine a lot of people will end up using. Yeah, it's a wonderful piece. Wonderful piece of transport history and engineering. I was unwittingly made a part of this. Yeah. Forever in a day.

They're going to go back, and there's going to be some idiot dressed in colonial clothing as a town crier. Mayor Wayne Brown, long story short, he really loved this idea where he pitched it to him. Not for the York City Rail Link, but he wandered out there. And he made this happen in front of the Prime Minister and a whole lot of dignitaries. And now, unfortunately, a lot of the footage that's gone out there is just a view, and people are like, what was that all about? Yeah. Although, Wayne, to be fair, Mayor Brown, he predicted this last week when we said this is going to be a train wreck.

Ah yeah, but you'll be famous. And so I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing. Count the comments. Don't read them. Yeah. The engagement. We're going to get him to read, Jono, to read some of the comments. Because on its own, if you take it away from the Porfitte and the wonderful speeches and stuff that happened beforehand, it looks really odd and out of place. It does.

And I just honestly, it was that I said before. It's the most nervous I think I've ever been in our 25 years of doing this job. sitting in a train cab looking out having hot flushes, cold flushes, all the flushes. I never needed to go to the toilet so badly and have nothing leave my body. I don't know what was happening.

So you haven't looked at some of these, but here we go. Producer Troy has found some feedback online for you to read out about your job is the town crier, town prior. What are the people got to say on social media? Well, firstly, Paris. That seemed unnecessary.

And you're right. You're right, Paris. You're right. It was. So did the whole costume. Who's the guy in the outfit, writes Danny? And why? Question mark, question mark, question mark.

Someone then replied to Danny and said, Jono or Ben. Don't like, don't lick me up into it. Danny then replied, that makes a lot of sense. George writes, does CRL stand for crusty robed lunatic? That's good. That's really good.

That is nice from George. Seb types in the comments section. I'm British and live in New Zealand and I'm confused. Imagine if that's how you felt, Seb, imagine the guy in the costume, how he felt. Chris, is this why my rates went up 29%?

Yes, Chris. You have to keep buying that bloody costume. 28% for the railway, 1% for my costume high-reach. Okay, Captain Feather Sword. He says, damn it. You did look like you're a captive for the sword dog off. From the wiggles, for those who don't know who that is. Oh, that's funny.

Oh, my God. What in the Epstein is going on here? What in the Epstein? How has Epstein been born into the conversation? Followed up by what in the coloniser is happening here. Yeah, that's a very good point. Wow, there we go. Guys.

I mean, they definitely can. could have been worse. Yeah, user 4538 says here, I'm offended. I think that sums it up for everyone. Oh dear, well, Mayor Brown wants you back, mate. What did he message you said? Get over the trauma. Yeah, there's more work to be done.

I don't know what that means. He's the only one that wants more of that. Exactly. He's tasked the council with finding more events for Auckland's official town prior. Oh, no. I'm just, I'm going to put it out there and say, I think there might be better things that they could be doing. Exactly.

And it doesn't cost to me, but still, you're right, Megan. John O'Bennon and Megan, the podcast, the hits. But something's causing a lot of arguments at home at the moment. We all go to the same gym. Originally it was just my daughters and I would go to the same gym. And basically the gym system works that they are the members and they get one card and then the family can kind of share. We pay for access.

So there's only two carts. My daughters have the cards. And it was a good little system going when my daughters and I would kind of do it. you know, the fact that my daughters would not wear it on a lanyard. I was like the lanyard, we're never going to lose it, but they don't like a goofy-looking lanyard, apparently. Do you have a key card? Yeah.

It's like a little key card, yeah. Oh, you don't put that on a lanyard? Well, but we're swapping it around and stuff. It's been handed round. It's not staying with one individual. Yeah, you're right. Because they would just put it in the back of their phone case, and that's fine. Nothing makes you look more official than a lanyard.

Thank you very much, Megan. Swiping in with a lanyards, a hell of a feeling, Megan. Has this guy here to work out, or is he from IT? Oh, my gosh. I don't know. So anyway, we had a system, but most of the time it worked all right between the three of us. But now my wife is back to the gym as well. So now there's four of us, but two cards.

And this is causing a whole lot of debate. Because people go to the gym and then forget they're in the pocket and not put them in the communal area of a home for the cards. Because we go to the same gym as well. We used to share a card, city. And remember that time Andrew left, you got to leave the card in the bush. And the bushes, yeah. And I had to go through the bushes to get the.

the car, you take a photo? Is there a bush? Yeah, there is bushes. The bush option seems probably like the most sensible one, Megan. That's a great solution. Get out there, put your card in the book. Yeah, because at the moment, we're all yesterday. There was all going around lots of things that daughters wanted to go to the gym.

They couldn't find the cards. There was things going around. I've left it here. No, I put it there. My wife's like, I haven't got them. They're in, you know. Put it in the bush. Yeah, put it in the bush.

There is no reason for anyone to be ferreting around in the bush, apart from you, because your card's in there. So, no one will find that. You can call it the shush your bush. It's been the secret little bush. Well, yesterday we should have put it in the shushush bush because there was a lot of things going around. Someone's got the card.

My wife's got the card. No, I put her here and I haven't. Well, like, just check your back of your phones. My wife had three cards in the back of her phone. Oh. I thought you only had two cards. Exactly. I said, where's the third one come from?

She's like, she was talking around the phone in real time as she opened up the case going, yeah, I've got three in the back of my phone. So the two of my daughters and someone else's, apparently. She's joined another family plan I think so Yeah put one in the emergency shushy bush I think it's a far better plan Do they not give out

Like if you wanted two more cards No it's always one It's a one card system For the person who's gym membership it is Yeah It's to make you pay for another membership Johno To make it frustrating

There's a hook attached Yeah Shushabush is a great idea John O'N and Megan The podcast The Hits I don't know if you notice on your over the last week or so.

It's been a lot of videos. Former AI employees coming out saying it's the end of the world. I can't work for these companies anymore. We're creating a super species that's going to end humanity. We've got Sean Lyons from Netsafe on. And am I just imagining this or is this a thing at the moment? Yeah, there is certainly quite a lot of doom and gloom around.

And I think that probably always has been to some extent. I heard someone a long time ago saying to me, worrying about the problems of AI end in the world is about as important as worrying about overpopulation on Mars. I mean, it's definitely a thing that can happen, but I think that is changing. I think there are more and more conditions now around. I think we use this technology more and more. I think it's certainly a time to stop and take to think about how and what's around that, but I don't think it's necessarily a time to say throw it all out and suddenly, you know,

what was fine two months ago is now the beginning of the end. of the world. Well, you used to laugh, you know, I felt like every while ago, you were like, oh, you can tell AI, it was six fingers and things and all sorts of, you know, and now it's like, oh my goodness, it's very hard to tell what is AI and what's not these days. The technology has moved so fast. Yeah, and it's very much, you know, the nature of the way this technology works, it kind of go through that phase.

You have to work out whether or not six fingers look better or not, and they decided that it didn't, and so it moved on. Do you think there needs to be some kind of slowdown or regulation? put in place, are we doing enough? I don't think we're doing enough yet, no. I mean, I think if that was a universal slowdown and what that slowdown meant was that we got to focus more on the kind of

the safer technology, the guardrails, as some people refer to it, the safety tools. Might be how other people see it. If that's what slowdown means, then yes, I think we're there. And if everybody's doing that slowdown, then I think that that's, that's part of it.

I think part of the problem that we're seeing here is this is a gigantically globally competitive race. And that means that this is, you know, companies, but also countries, governments, research, that there is a real sense of race to get to the best. Like the space race. Yeah, you're right. The space race, but on steroids. Can I ask, can I ask you like for the, for the average Kiwi, you know,

who sometimes, you know, maybe puts a photo of themselves. up there and wants to look what they look like in the 80s or puts in and says, oh, can you change this email or things like that into AI? Is that a risk for the average Kiwi, putting that sort of information out there? I mean, I think it is possible that there is a chance that, you know, we put information like that out on the internet and that then gets you to think. I mean, let's not be it around the bush. The source for all of these models generally is the internet.

That's how they've become so good at what they do. it's that people may deliberately use these technologies to harm it and probably that's where we should be focusing our attention and our thought rather than playing catch-up after people are harmed. Wow, so we're not worried about creating a super species that's going to end us next week. At the moment, that's positive news, Sean Lyons. Quickly, just before you go,

has this been the biggest advancement in technology you've seen in your career? It feels like it's all just happened over two or three-year period. Yeah, well, I mean, look, it definitely has, and I've been in this game for a very long time, and I thought the other things that I've seen in the path were the biggest advancement. But I think the thing that's important to remember

is that this is actually just a continuation of all of those technological advancements, right, that we wouldn't be looking at this if we didn't have a free and open internet that's been coming for a long time. And I think that hopefully that's what gives us the sense of security that somebody isn't building a super race to take over and make us all redundant and lock us in a box, that this is just the way that technology is.

moving forward and sense will prevail as it has in many other contexts and I think we will keep control of this technology. That's my that's my most optimistic outlook. And that's why we love Sean Lyons. He's a kappa, full guy. Sean Lyons from NetSafe, Chief Online Safety Officer. Appreciate your time and we'll speak shortly. John O'Ben and Megan. The podcast. The Hits. Cal and Cry was something that, well, we just thought it was a fun little thing out and about with Jono and his last name

kind of being similar to Cryer, Prior, the town Cryer, we put you out in the streets a few weeks ago and then Mayor Wayne Brown wanted you to get you part of the prestigious opening of the Auckland City Rail Link. Yeah, so I came dressed out in colonial garb and this is what it was like

in front of all of the important people who run our country and you go smattering of applause and a lot of people going, what is happening here? So, yeah, I mean, sort of five days after the events slowly come into terms. I watched that Ray Gunn documentary on Netflix. I kind of feel like Raygun, you know. What's the worst that could happen?

Everyone could laugh at me. Yeah, so sort of unwittingly become the face of colonisation. I mean, it happens, you know? It can happen. Megan, you're living your life today, aren't you? Tomorrow, you could be the face of colonizers. Oh, God. Yeah, you never know what's coming.

It's the excitement of life. Now, producer Troy, speaking of not knowing what's coming, He said there's been some developments with the town prior. Yeah, this thing made ripples online. It really, everyone posted about Kate Hawkesby, what he loved it? She was very invested. She found, she was crying with laughter that I'd been put in this position by Mayor Wayne Brown. But it didn't just stop at media people.

This has made ripples all around the country. Right. And this morning there was a carrier pigeon outside with a message that I'd like to deliver to Jono now. Oh, right. So this is a rolled-up piece of paper where we handed over. Oh, no. Johnna, what does it say? Okay, this is, and it's written in like an old timely scroll.

Can you read it? Said greetings. Are you questioning my reading ability of the font? Old time he's screw, yeah. Greetings, John, I noticed you're involved in the opening of the city rail link over the weekend as the town crier. I am not aware that Auckland has a town crier, question mark, question mark, question mark. I am New Zealand's chief town crier operating out of Walkworth. Oh!

Am I getting a stay in your lane letter here? Cease and desist. Should you be available for an event next month, I'm here by inviting you to the 54th gathering of town criers of Walkworth on Saturday the 17th of October. Town Cries is Wartner. It's the New Zealand Town Criers meeting in Walkwood. But as in Walkworth, I was going to say, there's probably...

For tea criers, it will be a unique gathering as there is only four of us left in the country. Oh, wow. Besides myself as the head town crier, I'm being joined by Jim McDonald Town Crier and Howick and others from Parvison North in the South Island. We'll be mingling amongst the crowd, selecting the best dress, and I understand you only perform on special occasions for the mayor, so let me know if you're interested. Dave Parker, Headtown Cryer. Wow. What an honour.

The big dog. He does sound a little bit like a flex, like he's like, hey. I'm head dude But what's it welcoming though He's welcoming me into the society of town crying If you do that You need a bit of costume I need a more affordable costume

Yeah well the costume I don't think the costume is least To be honest Your bell broke Yeah So when is this thing happening When you go to this? 17th of October

I'm busy that day Meena and I think we've got that thing on you and I It's Olivia Dean day Yeah, but Jono's free, I think, so that's good. Yeah. Why would you do this live? Are you going to be there? Well, I think...

You have to be now. I mean, it's a lovely invitation. These guys might be like the shadow government of New Zealand. They might be actually making the decisions behind the clock. What are they like, the freemasons? Yeah, welcomed into a special secret society. It is lovely. It is lovely.

I mean, otherwise, you found a club in your old age. Yeah. You've found your people. I've finally found my people. Please. The town cries of New Zealand. Some people do bingo, you know? Some people do sports.

I just do cosplay and ring a bell. That's what you're going to be doing. Oh, well, thank you, Dave. What a wonderful invite. John O'Benn and Megan. The podcast. The hits. Now, what we want to open up is a couple of crimes that we know of took place over the weekend,

but are they crimes? Producer Troy, you are emceeing a family wedding? Yeah, my partner's sister's wedding. Okay, emceeing too. Yeah, I didn't know this. And so you tell us what you did at the wedding. Well, my role was kind of, I had two jobs, hand out the booklets and emcee the reception.

I screwed up the booklet handing out. A lot of people didn't have booklets. And I also screwed up the emceeing because I missed a cue. You know, when you're kind of listening for when things happen, like the course one was supposed to come out and then I was supposed to announce who the speech was. But I missed that cue because I was watching the wiles on my phone. So you, like you had it like,

It's happened to a friend of mine over the weekend as well. Now, he was also at a wedding, and he was like, oh, terrible timing. I was like, well, who was that was going to happen? The last game was. And he was the same as you. He had his phone on the table. And he said, by the end of it, there was quite a lot of people all sort of crowded around watching on the little screen. But trying to not look like they're watching.

And his partner not happy about the fact that she kept going to put it right, put away. He's like, look, all these people are around and watching it. Look, people want to watch it. Same thing happened. The servers of the, of the, of the, of the, you know, of the food at the reception kept like slowly walking behind me almost like going out of their way to walk behind me

with their plates just to look over my shoulder. Must have ended up being a really sad wedding by the end for the time that final whistle blue. For most people yeah. Yeah, so this is why we want to chuck out there. 0-800 of the hits. Is it a crime to watch sport at a wedding? Yes.

Megan, you've been married. Twice. Twice. And if someone was watching the wards, so the Warriors are in the finals, not just a round robin game. Yeah. If someone's watching that under a napkin.

The thing is, if you're doing it on the sly, and then especially, like, imagine if everyone's doing it. You're either all in, you either go, okay, we're all watching it, or you shouldn't be watching it. What if it's F1? I know. Well, I said, if I was getting married, I'd be pissed off if someone else did it. But if the F1 was on and I was at someone else's wedding, I'd probably do it. You'd be watching it. I'm a hypocrite.

I would definitely be watching it on my phone. Okay, I'll 800 of that. So I want to chuck out there. Is it a crime to watch sport? A sport of significance. Yeah. at a wedding. Has this happened?

Have you been married? We actually had one on our wedding night as well. It was like a big, like a big rugby game many years ago. And, you know, everyone was talking about, going to have the rugby, I'm going to. I was like, oh, I think it's going to be because it was an Australia raptor. You know, the main part by then so people can watch it afterwards. And my wife Amanda, she's like, you're not going to watch it.

You're not going to watch it. We got back to hotel room later. She was, she hates me telling the story. She was, you know, that big day. She went to sleep. I'm like, well, I'm here now. I can. John O' Ben,

And Megan, the podcast. The Hats. Over the weekend, there was a couple of instances of people watching sports while at weddings. Particularly on a Saturday night, Warriors, would they kick off 605? Prime wedding, probably reception conditions. The wedding's probably happened. You're right. And the Warriors were wrong.

He's wronged. It's picked up by Schneider. Yeah, just last 20, unfortunately, for the Warriors. Last 20 minutes the game. But hey, as Megan said, that's to be positive this weekend, Sunday night. we need everyone to get there, Eden Park, cheer them on against the nights. Yes, stay positive.

When do the tickets go and sale? I think today for members and then tomorrow for non-members. It'll sell out. Yeah, hopefully. Yeah, but is it a crime to watch the Warriors or any sport of significance? Let's just go like important games. Not just your run-of-the-mill week-week season round-robin games. Can you watch it at a wedding?

Here's the thing. As someone who watches my favourite sport delayed almost every single time, because Formula One happens mostly in the middle of the night. Can't you just watch it afterwards? If anyone goes to talk about it at the wedding, be like, I don't know. It's hard in that environment because a lot of people would be, you know. Because the wedding, you have to live in that moment.

You can't watch the wedding delayed afterwards. They're not going to play that game again, though, Megan. And to be fair, that your wedding night, you watch the game delays. But you know, but you know the result of the wedding. You know what's going to happen. I do, I do, all right. Not always. my first one.

At that point, though, you know the result. You don't know the Warriors' result. I mean, it's going to be really controversial if one of you says no, Megan's probably like I should have said no. The first one. Do you say I do, I don't? Vicki, morning to you. Happy New Year. Good New Year, guys.

How are you going? Show catchphrase. We're doing well, mate. It's lovely to have you on Monday morning. Is it a crime to watch sport at a wedding, Vicky? No, I don't think so. So you're okay? Let's say you're getting married and you look over there and then there's a table out there and everyone's huddled around a phone.

How are you feeling? Well, I just think that you need to plan it better. I mean, you know the schedule's the sporting before you pick your date. Are you saying look at the Warriors calendar year and the All-Blacks and the Motor Racing? No, but I picked my wedding dates both times like a year and a half out. You need to play a little bit better. Sometimes you don't know when the NRL going to announce the finals, you know, what day of the week. Maybe you need to consult with the NRL, Megan.

When it's going to be. It's sort of the same time each year. I see what you're saying. So if it's league season... My sister was going to get married on Bathurst weekend. And me and my dad both said, well, we need a big screen at the venue then so we can watch the car racing. So she changed the day of her wedding.

Gotcha. Okay. All right. For Bathurst? You made your sister change your wedding for Bathurst. Well, yeah. I wasn't going to miss it. Fair enough.

That's kind of fair. I'd like if it's that far out and you know. I'd love a big screen of V8 supercars just behind a couple standing in an altar. It is brilliant, Vicki. There you go. She's a, she's a... She's on the side of look at the sporting calendar. And Fantasia, morning to you.

Oh, good morning. This happened to you. Yeah, yeah. So I attended a wedding and we're all sitting in the reception. There's about 100 guests. It's so flash. And then suddenly the projector screen comes down. And they put on the Bulldogs game.

Oh, did they? And everyone sitting there in the reception watching the Bulldogs game. And when the groom walked in, he had his Bulldogs flag going. and everyone's getting changed into their bulldogs, sure. So you go, turn it to a watch party. There you go, love it. Yeah, yeah.

And then the speeches started, and the game's still playing, and then the mother of the bride stood up and yelled and screamed, get that game off. It's a wedding, not a sport match. Oh, and so they have to turn the bulldogs off the big screen? Yeah, yeah.

I can kind of understand where she's coming from when the speeches are happening. He runs higher just above. But you're in charge of the timeline. And couldn't they just, they've committed to putting it on, just push the speeches out. Exactly. John O'Bennon and Megan. The podcast.

The heads. Over the weekend, I've been hearing about this for a couple of weeks. You're just talking before about having a teenage daughter. Well, there's a place that we're doing like $20 piercings or whatever. My daughters are like, on a Sunday they do $20 piercings, and they've been wanting to go along and get some of their ears pierced. And this is a conversation I handed over to my wife because they start talking about helixes and conchers, and all sorts of things.

I'm like, I don't know. This is not my department. This is a conversation for them. Different parts of the end. And I have no argument either about, you know, I've had various things, a pierce for radio and TV bits and pieces and a regrettable tattoo. So I'm like, I'm not the person to get involved in this. Yeah, the worst is you're saying your nipples.

Yeah, yeah, that was, yeah. I had it, probably the shortest ever nipple piercing. And a little bit of filming, and then I pretty much took it out 10 minutes later. And it hurt a lot coming out. It was going to a round. You should have taken that out straight away. Yeah, yeah. I think it was The Edge.

I think I did a couple times. I did one time, went to the Edge Radio Station. Just an interview to plug a TV show, and I walked out of him and been wedged by a strong man and hitting a, like, a piercing on my nipple. I was like, that wasn't really what I came in to do. Well, you just meant to plug the show. Yeah, yeah.

They had a whole lot of wacky stuff. Me and Jeremy Corbett, who was plugging John and Ben in seven days at the same time, and they had all these wacky stunts. And Jeremy Corbett went, I'm not doing any of that. But he's like at the older statesman. He's like, there's no, way you're pulling my underpants up between my cheeks and piercing my nipples. And so then I took the brunt of it and I came out on there, a little shell-shocked.

Did you? I think a few people left that radio station, a little shell-shocked. Even the ones that work there. My daughter's, yeah, got a piercing and went out on Saturday. And my wife, while she was in there as well, she was like, oh, you know what, I'm here now. I wanted, she wanted to get something done. Yeah. So they came home and as part of the aftercare, they have like an antiseptic spray that they need to spray on as part of it.

And then my wife yesterday sends me a text going. I grabbed what I thought was the antiseptic spray this morning. I'd be spraying on my ear, offering it to the girls until they went, a mum, that's the lens bright lens cleaner for like glasses and laptops and things as well. Which comes in a spray bottle. A little spray bottle as well. She'd been spraying that into her air as well. Defogging her earlobes.

Does she wear glasses? She does, yeah, but not, I mean, not to the point where she can't read lens cleaner quite big. I mean, it's not that big. She would have buffed up the piercing quite nicely, though. It would have been crystal. You're right. The actual, like, the silver or whatever would have looked pretty good. Was it stinging or?

Yeah, I think a little bit. But then I guess she probably, oh, that must just be what happens. Part of the process, part of the antiseptic working. I'm like, oh, geez. Did you spray lens cleaner on your nipples after? No. Oh, my Lord. No, no, I haven't.

So, yeah. One of those moments, I'm sure everyone's got those moments where you've misused a product. You're like, no. Well, you've got glasses. on, have you been right up rubbing antiseptic on your lenses? I'm so foggy, but also very sterile. John O'Ben and Megan, the podcast. That's a really interesting thing coming out of a new movie that's coming out soon, right?

Practical Magic 2. It's out now. It's really good. I've seen it. Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kippen, they did it, the original 98. Does it live up to the hype of Practical Magic 1? It does. Yeah. It's got Joey King in it and Maisie Williams. I wasn't really aware of the... I kind of was aware of the first one, You loved the first one. I don't think you were the target audience. Right, gotcha.

Because it is like some witchy sisters who have daughters and it carries on kind of from where the 1998 movie finished. And I really liked it. There was a good sequel. But anyway, Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman are doing the press rounds. So lots of interviews and stuff. There's been some interesting things come out of it. But Sandra Bullock reckons she is the answer for why women often go to the toilet in groups. Women are made fun of for going to bathroom in packs.

They go, why do women need to go to the bathroom in packs? I said, I bet there is a reason. And there was. There were not bathrooms for women a couple hundred years ago. So they had to go in the fields. And when they went in the fields, they became vulnerable and were attacked. And so the women would all go together so that the women would be safe. Wow.

That's why we go to the bathroom in packs. There you go. And it's just stayed. Yeah, from centuries of shocking toilet infrastructure. That's where the history of this is. stays back to, which makes a lot of sense. Yeah. So it's just in your DNA that you must go together for safety purposes.

Yeah. We just, yeah. Nowadays, is it less safety, more gossip purposes? Absolutely. I was about to say the female bathrooms, when you go on packs, especially in bars, the friendliest place you'll ever go. Yeah, that's really interesting. Totally opposite from them. I mean, it's not like it's unfriendly the men.

Totally the opposite in the internet. Yeah, true. Men's is like you're pretty much. down. Keep to yourself. Oh no, we're like, you take a whining and you have a chat and you take selfies and you like, oh my God, you look amazing

and then someone's like, I need toilet paper, you're like, girl, I got you. Like, you're just, it's like you're all friends. You know, there's mascara smudged down you up here. You look incredible! Yeah. And you talk about anyone that you've met on the dance floor

and absolute vibes in there. That's why we're in there for so long. What happens to those relationships the next morning? Oh, like two minutes later. You're done. Yeah. Just high. That's just a toilet thing.

Interesting though, isn't it? We would take for granted. Yeah. We'd go going to the toilet by ourselves. You're missing out. There's a lot of stuff probably guys take for granted that women can't do on their own or don't feel safe doing on their own? Just the convenience of weighing, I think, is one.

I'm really jealous of. I imagine going out running? In the dark. In the dark, you won't go running on your own in the dark? I mean, some people might, but it does feel a little. I mean, I wouldn't go running in the dark, though, to be honest to me. I did go running in the dark, yeah. It's a little scary. Yeah, you go in the morning, don't you?

Yeah, it does keep your adrenaline at an all-time high. And then you lie on your driveway in the dark. Would you do that? No. Absolutely not. Why? And you're on property? Yeah, no.

No, you wouldn't do that. No, okay. Because you can't see if anyone's coming. I think, like, I don't know if I speak for every woman, but like often, especially in the dark by yourself, you've got to be aware of what's a real thing. around you at all times. Would you Uber on your own? Yes, but

I always send my location to someone. I'm like, okay, I'm going to Uber by myself. Here's my location. Okay. I'm 800 of the hits. We can't chuck this open. Okay, what will guys take full granted of? Take for granted that women,

they can't do on their own all they do and they're a little frightened. Yeah, 100 of the hits. 4487 on the text. Imagine you're frightened of peace standing up. Yeah. I take that for granted. We do, do we? John O'Ben and Megan.

The podcast. Shelly's her name. She's a next detective in Australia. If you want to follow her on Instagram, she's really good, give tips and tricks on how you can keep safe. Discovering True Joy is her Instagram handle. And she joins us now on the phone.

Good morning, Shelly. Good morning, Jono. Lovely to have you on. It popped up in my feed amongst a plethora of other stuff that I need to get rid off my algorithm, to be honest, Shelly. Not you, though, Shelley. Yeah, you're the better part of this. You're the shining light.

But it was a video you were doing. You're an ex-police officer and private eye. And it was some tips on how people can keep safe in public. So the video in question, you were out for a run and you had your headphones, or you didn't have headphones in, but you're saying don't have headphones in because you become less aware of your surroundings. But everyone does that. I get people want to listen to stuff, but unless you're actually on a beach with other people where it's safe to do so.

But if you're in a location where you need to have an awareness, whether it's just because of traffic, or whether it's because you're out on your own, you really shouldn't do it. It's just one of those things that people can take advantage of you. So when you're out running, not having, like, headphones being aware of your surroundings, what about, like, at night or, like, for me, early in the morning, when it's dark and you're by yourself? Yeah, absolutely. So other than the headphones, it's one, you should always have someone that knows where you are in location. I'm a big one on those sorts of things.

But in terms of darkness, always make sure you've got something, you know, a decent torch that can shine in someone's face, which scares someone off if it is dark and you're on your own. I always say walking in the middle of the road if there's no cars. So you just have more options. You don't have people that can hide in trees. I know these things sound really out there, but, you know, these things do happen. and if you're going to put yourself in a situation where you can be vulnerable,

then put yourself in a situation where you also have the upper hand and awareness of what's going on. That's interesting. So walking down, say, a quiet suburban street at night, don't go on the footpath or actually could get whipped into a car, you're saying? 100%. Yeah. If you can give yourself that opportunity to be more in the middle of the road,

obviously, you know, we're talking if it's a quiet street but there's no cars around, and again, you're watching to make sure you're not going to get bowled over. But if there's something that just fills off and you're around where there's, you know, cars can be coming out of a side street to grab you or there's trees and, yeah, put yourself in a situation where you've got more awareness and more time to move. My husband, I think it may be because he came from South Africa,

but he's like super anal about this kind of stuff. So he always walks, especially women, to their cars at night, and everyone's like, you are overreacting. What about, like, because I've got teenage daughters and, you know, like, I get torn because I get worried. about particular things, you know, particularly them being out by themselves. But at the same time, I want them to be independent. I want them to be able to travel on public transport and take Uber rides

and do all those things by themselves that I feel like everyone's got a right to do. So how do you strike that balance? So agree. Like we can't wrap them in cotton wool, right? So this is that balance of actually teaching them that, yes, it might sound silly and you're trying to get your wings and do all these things on your own, but at the same time, have some awareness, have your location on, have a torch with you, teaching these things about,

being very vocal. If something comes up or someone is there, don't be quiet about it. So it's about teaching them the tools because life's about moments where you're going to be on your own right. So teach them as much as you can and also remind them that

in the moments that they think they feel silly and that they're taking it too far and even though you might feel a bit silly or think it's too much, it's not. It's always better. You can't take back once something has happened, right? So always just be on your A game. And sometimes kids don't want to take it.

it from parents and maybe they're better off taking it from me. Because our boss was saying her friend works in your line of work and was like never get into an Uber alone. Well, yeah, it's a hard one. I guess that depends on in your country, right, as to where you are. But look, you are putting yourself in a situation. But most of them these days have to have the cameras. But it's about if you can be in a group, absolutely. If it's daytime, there's a traffic around.

I always like to make sure I've got the exit door. I always sit on the opposite backside. you the driver because I would like to have full vision of what's going on. Oh yeah. So what, the diagonal to the driver? Yeah, that's, yeah. And then you can get out onto like the footpath as opposed to getting out in the middle of the road if you had to.

100%. And always make sure your door can open. So you can even, once you pop in, you can make sure straight away that your door does open. I mean, once you're in, you're in, right? But I would always make sure that door opens again. And you can share your ride to go on Uber. I always do that.

and stuff as well that my daughters are on as well which we can track them and we know special drivers so there are checks of ways through those process I guess hey well listen hey thanks for coming on this morning we appreciate it we'll keep your number and uh yeah have a great day yeah absolutely thanks for your time