Jono, Ben & Megan - The Podcast - The Warriors Drill That Left Ben With a Broken Finger | FULL SHOW

Episode Date: September 9, 2026

On today’s show: (00:00) Ben Boyce reveals how he broke his first bone while filming a video! (03:50) The team debates whether Jono should perform as the “Town Pryor” at Auckland’s City Rail Link opening by himself... (07:40) Troy’s migraine leads him to a Thai massage experience he’ll never forget  (11:25) Listeners share events they definitely shouldn’t have attended  (19:15) Megan discovers how to reset your social media algorithm! (23:00) Netsafe’s Sean Lyons explains how scammers get your details and how to stay safe after Megan Papas is HACKED (31:35) The problem with people who ask “Can I ask a favour?” before telling you what it is  (33:35) Should partners tell the brutal truth or back each other no matter what?  (41:50) Jono discovers he’s not the world’s greatest podcast guest   Join the Itty Bitty Hitty Committee HERE!Instagram:  @THEHITSBREAKFASTFacebook: The Hits Breakfast with Jono, Ben & Megan See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The John O'Ben and Megan podcast, thanks to Dilma. Goodness really does taste great. Dilma, making the world a better tea. Now, I actually broke my first bone this week. And a couple of them go. Well, I did some filming with my kids. We were invited along to film with the One New Zealand Warriors' Women's Team for MaxiGiZic. And the video will come out in a couple of weeks.

And so it was me trying to see, I mean, they're incredible. The women's team played in the NRL competition. And it was me trying to keep up with them doing a few little drills and passing drills. and passing drills and trying to crash your tackle bags doing a bronco five times and stuff which I'd never oh yeah so it's a bronco it's when you have to run to like 20 meter and back and then you run to like halfway and back then you run to the three of back yeah do that five times I'm oh so yeah yeah I'm not hey spoil alert I don't think I made the team I'm I don't know if there's a team well I think you're gender might play a role in that really impressive really impressive

but um the one of the drills that they got me to do just kicking a book they kicked him high A few high balls and I had to stand underneath and catch it. While they were running towards you? No, I just like kicking up here. And so the first one, I slightly misjudged. Almost there, slightly. And I must have just stuck my hand out at the time. And bang, on the little tip of my little finger.

Painful. But to be honest, at the time, I was probably in a lot of pain through all the whole stuff. So I didn't really go. I didn't go at the time. Adrenaline kick in, maybe? Yeah, I was like, I didn't think that was broken. I just carried on. I mean, I felt like a broken individual by the end of it.

But I didn't go out there going, geez, I think I broke my finger. I was just like hurting and puffed and all sorts. So, yeah, a couple hours later, I was at home and to the evening. And, you know, I think it swells up a little bit. It got a bit, sort of, I guess, bit blue and bruised. And my wife's like, go to the, go to the A&E. I'm like, you know, when you're like, yeah. Pain in the ass, yeah.

It's like, it's night time. It's like seven o'clock. You're going to be there for hours. Yeah, I'm going to be there for hours. For some reason, like, 120 people decide to go to the A&E at 9.30 at night. And also, you know, the amazing, you know, nurses and doctors, I'd feel like, I've just got a, you know, I saw a finger. I feel like maybe it's going to be like, go home, rest up, you know, you'll be fine.

I don't want to like use up their time as well. But my wife's like, go along and get it checked out. I'm like, okay. So I went along that night, waited for a bit. And then you're sitting around people that have got things going on, you know, people are like really hurt and limping and there's people like struggling to like breathe it feels like. And I'm like, I just got a little bit of a sore finger.

I really was like, I feel like I shouldn't be here. But anyway, they're like, oh, the next. waited about an hour, saw the nurse, and then she's like, maybe you'd go through and get an x-ray, waited for a bit, missed the cutoff for that. This was two nights ago, so I was like, yeah, it closes at 9 o'clock. How long had you been waiting at reception before you turned? It was probably around a two-hour thing or night. And then I was like, well, I'm going to go home.

And then my wife's like, yesterday, she's like, go for it, because the finger's getting more blue and more sought up. She need to go back, get that x-ray. I'm like, oh. Is it sound to smell? Is the finger-s sound to smell gangrenous? Oh, yeah. And so I did yesterday, and then she's like, oh, you got a little bit of a, a little bit of a, A little bit of a fracture.

There's a in your finger as well. My wife's like told you. The typing's the most inconvenient thing. Of course, yeah. That's getting the wide birth letters on the keyboard. Yeah, like I don't think I'll make the one New Zealand Warriors women's team, you know. But also, I can't even type them some emails. Why don't even make the New Zealand typing team?

Typing team at the moment. No more pinky promises. No, I can't make a promise. I'm more interested in what you were doing there for two hours. Did you take your laptop? Yeah, yeah. That's the only reason my wife got me to. go along. She's like, well, you can take your laptop and do some work.

Yeah, you would have. I guess so. It's like, if anything, I could say you for another three hours. Apparently, I was talking to someone as I always say you've got a heart problem. And then you get to the front of the line. And then you go in and they're like, so what's your issue? I got a sore finger. I got a sore finger.

A ball hit it from up high. But my heart was racing. John O'Ben and Megan. The podcast. The hits. And the mayor of Auckland's, Wayne Brown, he's been working on something for a while to do with a new city rail loop that's going to be open tomorrow. The fact that he wants

Jono to be part of the opening ceremony, ringing a bell being the town prior, as we call him the town crier as part of the opening. Now Megan and I don't want nothing to do with us. We're going to be along. Can I for the record say I don't want anything to do with this as well? But it's hard to say no to Wayne Brown. We've personally invited. Someone wanted to know on the text machine

if we were it personally invited to Ben. No. Not really. And technically no. He asked for Jono to be the town prior and open the city rail. Do you know what? I'm looking at the text there. Everyone's saying no explanation at all.

What are they saying? No explanation at all. First point. The first, next text, the whole point of the town cries to attract attention. You need to go first and own it. Full send it, Jono, you were born for this.

Next text. I think Megan and Ben should have silent roles. There you go. So, oh, 800 of the hits. Should Ben and Megan just do it? Well, I feel like we've read all the feedback. No introduction. Oh, I love this.

I love all these texts so far. Should they give me some... To me, that's like doing a prank call, but calling the person first and be like, hey, we're just going to call you. It's not, you have to just go out there and surprise them. Commit to the role. Commit to the role.

Well, the wonderful Leif, who phones through from time to time, the show's resident meditation expert, Leif, you'll have an interesting take on this. Do you think Ben and Megan need to introduce me to get the crowd, you know, get the crowd in on the bit? Give them some context. No. Not at all.

I'll tell you why. Jono, you're two things. You are one of the great jokesters of New Zealand, but you're also one of the most recognized and appreciated voices of Al-Teroa. And you're there as the voice of Al-Teroa. And honestly, like, just be proud of it, you know. Be proud of being that person who is bringing this huge project to the city of Auckland. and if people go out there and preface it with like, oh, I shouldn't be here, blah, blah, blah, blah.

It just reduces your mana. It reduces your mana of the event. And just, you just own it, own it, mate. Okay. Leif, you are giving me. You're such a good person. You are giving me a huge amount of blind confidence here, Leif. Can't I argue with that.

He's inspired me. Anytime any of us need a bit of jazzing up for anything, we need to call Leif. You're a wonderful human leaf. You're a work. I really are. But I also agree. Scott.

Scott, Ben and Migo, do they need, Ben and Migo, Ben and Megan, do they need to introduce the town crier to the people at the launch of the city rail link tomorrow? Look, Jono needs no introduction, as just said, I agree with everything there. But why should Ben and Megan miss out? You know, like they're part of your show. They deserve to be there as well. But I think just in silent roles, and Ben could be the jester. and a vegan could be the busybody or some other old question role.

She is a busybody, yeah. They shouldn't miss out, John, I, you know. You're right, let's go, it is a unit. That's right. But we haven't prepared. We haven't got that across the line with the mayor. You know how Hardy's worked on this for the last month? Scotty, the jester and the busy, what is the busybody?

The busy body. Well, he's just going by our characters. Oh, yeah. Okay, so, well, listen, great suggestions. I'm going to have to take this on the chin. It feels like there's a torrent of feedback saying no intro. Deep down I was prepared to go out and give it some confidence. And to go, hey, but now I'm like...

I backed you off here and then on here, I was like, nope. No, so we're going in cold. No context. Going in cold. Friend of the show, Jimmy Jackson, says that we need to stay in the studio. Oh, I love that. I love everything about that. Don't go that cold?

That's great. That is good. John O'Ben and Megan. The podcast. The hits. Mr. Troy, lovely to have you in here, mate. Lovely to be here. And lucky to have you here.

Yeah. Aren't we? Yesterday, you were three days of a week. migraine. Yeah, I was kind of in that kind of post migraine where everything's just kind of sensitive. Light sound. You had the very sensual mood lighting

going on in the studio. I don't mind it because we normally have like really bright lights in here but that's because we film bits and bases. It was nice. It was nice to sort of turn down it. Yeah. Feel like you're a lab rat or something because we've got a big window that looks out to a foyer as well. It's very of stimulating.

You guys are yelling in my ears. Yeah. There's a lot going on that. Sorry for yelling in your Yes, man. But anyway, you thought you might do something about this migraine yesterday. Yeah, I thought maybe it's to do with, like, tension in my neck and my shoulders, so I thought I'd go get a massage. None of it's blood flow, yeah. Yeah, blood flow, and I thought maybe a tie massage. I've never had a tie massage before.

I've heard lovely things about a tie massage. Yeah. The ties are, I don't know, do they get many in my grabs? I'm sure. Maybe they don't. Maybe that's why. I've never seen a tie wandering around with their hands on their temples going, oh, you know. They always not pretty happy.

And so I just Google Thai massage near. me and the first one that came up I was like well I've got to go to this place golden fingers oh no it will help do you only because it was next to our friend or the friend of the show chris max bar he's got a bar there and it's next door's the golden fingers massage it is yeah with their fingers golden they've oh my why magical I don't know it was there was scary fingers they um strong finger you can't have a place called scary fingers message but it also wasn't just golden fingers it was golden knees golden elbows golden shins golden Oh, they were really getting in there with, eh?

Yeah. Like, I, because I didn't really know what to expect, I thought it was just a nice relaxing, oil massage. But then I felt her knee on my buttocks, and I was like, this isn't going rough at all. That's good stuff, though. She clambering on your back. Yeah, all 40 kGs of her, and this tiny little tie one.

But that feels nice, doesn't it? The knee in the bottom. See, I don't like that. That makes me more tense, but some people love it. I mean, that's why people love massages and I'm in the minority. So you are, you are squeezed in the facehole, and they do, they do. You know, your face is all squished up and they're like, is that too hard?

And you're like, no, just sucking in the big ones. And you kind of brace for each. Yeah. She kept whispering in my ear too. So like, she wanted to keep the volume quiet. She goes, how's the tension? I was like, good. Yeah, that's.

And did they do that one? Because it feels like, because you can't see your face down. It feels like they're standing on your back. And they go, one, two, three, whoa. And then sort of put all the pressure down with their feet. Yeah. I've not had that. And you're like, am I about to never walk again?

That was my thoughts go to remind you. Right on my spine. I'm like, this is, don't jump, don't jump. And then she jumped. She jumped on your spine. And there was an almighty crack. Yeah. Really?

And you're kind of like, it's five or ten seconds after you're like, oh, you're kind of like, is everything okay? You kind of like try and wiggle your toes and your fingers. I want to try that. She also got me in a weird position that I don't think I've ever been in before where both my, both my legs and my arms, behind me and she was holding both of them with her hands and I was kind of like felt like I looked like a dumpling

and then she put her foot on my spine and pulled all of my limbs back and I thought this is quite impressive that this lady can do that and also that my body can do this and so migraine gone golden fingers golden fingers next time do we can sort of like do the backwards thing you want to save you some money we can do that in the studio Ben you can jump on you I can jump on your back if you want we do

or 40 kjs of you God, don't go there after Christmas Like, do they put on a couple of KDs after Christmas Like the rest of it John O'Benn and Megan The podcast The Hits I don't know how this all...

Well, I kind of know how it eventuallyates But it eventuated But it shouldn't have adventuated It is really comical A few weeks ago You guys had an idea For me becoming the town prior Like a town crier

Except it was a clever play on my surname of Pryor And we went out to the streets And I basically just harassed people a lot of hear-ye, hair-eas, obnoxious bell ringing in people's ears. Dressed in old-in-time clothing, old-and-day clothing with a big bell, yeah, yelling out, as the town crier would back in the day, announcing things. Although you didn't really have anything to announce. It was just things that were happening already.

Yeah, well, because now email and text kind of stole the role of the town crier. Yeah. So there is nothing. And tomorrow, Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown, he promised us five weeks ago he was going to get the town crier, the town prior at the opening of the city rail link, you know, highly anticipated rail link. And we thought he was joking. We said this is a terrible idea. And he said,

Ah, yeah, but you'll be famous. That's what he wants. And I love that. I'm a fame-hungry. The worst it would happen if nobody noticed you. That would be a disappointing thing. No, that would be a dream for me, to be honest. The funny thing is he's like spent a lot of time, him and his team getting this across the line.

with the government who are also going to be there as well. And we kept going, you don't have to do this, you don't have to do this, but he's seen it through. Man of his word, Wayne Brown. Yeah, so there's a big opening tomorrow for the city rail loop, right? And it's going to be, yeah, the government and all sorts of things there. Dignatories. They want the town cry, the town prior to come out at some stage.

You say they, I think Wayne Brown wants you there. No one else wants you there. But he did get it cleared. So, you know. So we've done a lot of embarrassing things in our time, but, you know, it's generally for a point. You know, you're either making TV content or something, but here it feels like we're really intruding on a historical mode in New Zealand transport. It's not that serious. Yeah.

What? The town crier? No, the opening of the thingy. It's not that serious. Are we putting too much weight on it? I think so. Okay, so you think you're fine. But you don't want to go?

But you don't want to go. I'm not doing it. Yeah, I'm with your mega. I don't even want to attend. I want to stay in the same. studio. I'm with Megan. We reckon we should just stay in the studio and just send Jono along.

But do we need to be there? Surely you've done worse. You too. You had that TV show. Surely you've done worse than this. I've seen you in light, Chris. I've seen you in an adult diaper. Yeah, but normally it's not as much jeopardy.

Yeah, this is like a, like yeah, like a formal occasion. And, you know, New Zealand's media aren't, you know, they haven't been there before either. They're all going to be there with cameras and, you know, they tell them the internet can be a pretty interesting. place in the comment sections. I don't read the comments. People are stupid. And all the journalists, they want their angles. Who was this idiot who railroaded the rail, you know? They'll have a good

pun. I'll defend you, babes. Thank you. We'll all defend you. We all feel a little bit of imposter syndrome, or maybe less imposter syndrome, but more self-awareness. We know we shouldn't be at this event. Have you attended an event that you just you had no place in being there?

4-487 on the text. Oh, 800 of the hats. Of course we're feeling generous today. put you in the drawer if you get on the air for Olivia Dean. Why not? Why not we spoke to someone who, they're on a first date, and he took her along to his grandmother's funeral. Oh. And she never, I guess we'd never, no.

She never knew the family, attended a funeral, like I was good on you. Who? The guy, or the girl for going? No, the girl for going along. He kind of can't say no. He's grieving. If you just wait, there'll be some free food. There'll be some little kishas and sausage rolls.

Events that you shouldn't have been at. I'd love to hear from you this morning. John O'Bennon and Megan. The podcast. The Hits. Tomorrow, the opening of the city rail loop, be it 10 years in the making and me or Wayne Brown has been working on for a few weeks.

Jono appearing as the town cry. Four weeks in the making. Yeah. To ring his bell and help as part of the opening. It feels like we shouldn't be there. And, well, Megan and I are going to just basically try and hide. I'm hoping I won't be there. We don't really want to be, but Jono feels like he's there already.

I'm being really supportive of you. No, you're not. You're like, about four times this morning. You said, can we just stay in the radio studio? No, that's what I'm saying. I'm being really supportive of you doing it and me not being there. So, events that you really shouldn't have been at, you had a funny one where you were eating someone's food. Oh, just recently, it was like a movie premiere that I've been invited along to.

And then they told me, you know, I thought they told me to go over there and help myself to the table of lovely food. I was eating away, chatting to people, having great time. My family were there as well. And then we had a conversation, the lady was like, oh, how do you know, Brian? I was like, Brian, oh, I don't. You looked at me a bit weirdly. And then she was like, oh, so how did you get invited? And I mentioned the company's name that invited me.

And she was like, really? I don't think they've got anything to do with this. And I was sitting there. I go to my family, put the food down, put the food down. And you got a mouthload of chicken nibbles. Brian, Brian, you said. John would have gone, Brian? So he was mates with.

You want to made up a whole bad story. Love Brian. Joe, morning to you, events that you really had no place being at. It was a very long time ago now. A friend of mine was a printer, and she rang me out, and she said, oh, I'm printing these tickets for this wine tasting, do you want to go? And we were like, yeah, yeah. So she printed up a couple of extra tickets, and we went along to this wine tasting.

But when we got there, it was actually a presentation by the winery. for restaurant owners. Uh-oh. And we were just two young girls in our early 20s who'd rocked up for the free wine. Uh-oh. How do you weasel your way out of that? Well, we didn't actually.

We stayed and sampled the very nice wine, but at the end, they were taking orders. Well, how many cases are you going to have for your restaurant? And how many cases do you want? And we were like, no, it's time to go now. And you escaped out the fire exit. That is, gee, that takes a lot of confidence. And I suppose the confidence grows with the more wine tasting.

throughout the evening. Feel more comfortable in the environment. Gidey, Zanthi. How are you? Hi, fine things new. Yeah, good to have you on, Zanthi. We're doing well. Events you really shouldn't have been at.

Yeah. Yeah, so I've only been in New Zealand for about eight years now. And when I just got over, I pretty much just started photography. And someone booked me for their birthday event on a yacht. And it was a lady. And I was like, okay, cool, you know, nice experience. and went on the yacht and then halfway through she came to me she's like okay I need to stop taking photos and I was like okay that's so strange and then yeah all of a sudden like all

these strippers kind of showed up and did like a massive show and someone being very uncomfortable with that I was just like okay but I couldn't go anywhere because I was stuck on a boat Were the strippers on the boat the whole time Or did they arrive by dinghy Sort of, I don't know Like I just, they just kind of rocked up And I was like, where were they this whole time? They just appeared out of nowhere

He was the captain the whole time I think I'm going to say the cops were turning up Or something or something really bad But that's more fun They didn't want any photos of that show And then could you start photographing afterwards? No, well at least at once that was done, it was time to get all.

So I was like, okay, let me run away. Never speak of this again. John O'Bennon and Megan, the podcast, The Hits. Megan, you've found something that's a bit of a game changer for social media. Yeah, I didn't actually know about this. But in Australia, they, you know how they have the ban on under 16s on social media. They're actually looking at putting another ban in, or another alteration for social media platforms where it's a bill called My Feed My Way.

It's not in yet, but the idea is that you can change your or reset your algorithm and social media companies have to ask you, would you like to do this? They have to propose it to you rather than you trying to figure out how to do it yourself. Oh, so you can do it yourself. Well, I only learnt this morning that you can, but they hide the fact that you can. Because they want to pump whatever content they want to pump into your eyeballs. I see. I never see people I follow on Instagram. That's the thing I'm sure a lot of people listening right now may not know that, you know, you don't always see everyone's post, even if you follow them.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. And so you can on Instagram reset your algorithm. So it kind of gets rid of everything it knows about you and it completely resets it. So when I was scrolling, I've done it. And when I was scrolling this morning, I'm seeing Ben's post, Jono's post, like everyone that I follow. Sorry about that.

Maybe you might want to go back to what the algorithm was feeding you before. But it's actually great. I'm like, I saw your post from two days ago that I was never fed. And I'm like, I actually chose to follow these people and you never see their content. It does, like you click on one thing. You're like, oh, gerbils. And that looks like an interesting gerbil video. And then it just almost goes zero to a hundred.

Yeah. All your personality is gerbils. Sometimes it's good. Sometimes I'm like, oh, like this. I want to get more of this. And then other times I'm like, no, it was one and done. It takes a while to wean off the durable content as well because you're like to actively avoid not clicking it. Yeah.

So it doesn't think that. This is my only hobby and passion. Yeah, you're right. So I think it doesn't turn off the algorithm. I think it will eventually start to do it again, but you can reset it again. So did you know, Ben, that you can also manually tune your interests? So you were just saying you're like, I don't like that.

Oh, that'd be cool because sometimes I'm like, I'm enjoying this. At the moment I'm watching The Gentleman on Netflix. It's a really good series. I'm enjoying the series too. And I'm enjoying, I don't think I'm following anyone from it, but I'm getting fed all this content. I'm enjoying it. Behind the scenes.

Little interviews that people were done with the cast. I'm enjoying that. That I'm liking, but other stuff, you know, but I may tire of that in a few days. And then it'll take a week or so to wean off the gentleman content. You're right. So, like, for me, I can go in and go, I like specific words and phrases like...

Liam and Wilson. Formula One. Shop and ing. Yeah. And you can even put, I don't want sensitive content. I don't want political content. And you can put in things that you're interested and not interested in. Why don't they just say, oh, we've already got that feature.

you go and do that? How does that... And when you sign up? Why don't you like, do it when you sign up? You're like, I like this, this and you can change it later. Well, that's what they are saying. You have to be told about it. You have to say, you can do this. But it is there if you go under settings and then scroll all the way down to content

preferences. You'll see everything there. You can reset and then you might actually see things I post guys. Yeah, I'd like that. I'd like that, Megan. I'd like the erotic, erotic videos of you and your husband dressed in robes and hotel rooms. Yeah, we're missing out on that.

More of that content. Sometimes I'm like, should I even be watching this? You are welcome. I'm like, I work with me here. Yeah, sometimes the algorithm, you're like, how am I watching a man wrapping his butt cheeks around a power pole right now? Like, what have I done to get here?

What leave you there? John O'Bin and Megan, the podcast. The Hats. Megan, you had a crazy morning yesterday. Yeah. You weren't really talking about it on the radio. all happening off here. I know it was a little bit scary at the moment. So yesterday I was getting text messages incessantly while we were on the, doing the show. And they were from my bank,

and they were, I don't know if anyone else gets this, but when I do transactions, especially big ones, you get like two-factor notification. So they sent me a code and they were like, there's a transaction for $648. Here's the code to make it go through. It's a good thing they've got that, eh? Yeah. It's a terrible thing when you're trying to log into the work, Microsoft program, the old two-step. But for financial purposes, it's great.

You're right. So I text, because we have a rule, like, don't spend over $200 without mentioning it to each other. And it was 600. And I was like, um... How many times you've broken that rule out of interest? Well, I have a little hack for that. Yeah.

Well, don't turn on the radio. No. So I was like, wait, what are you spending $650 on? and he was like, that is not me. So this is your husband, Andrew. He's like, I'm not doing anything. He's like, I don't need a code. That's not me.

I'm at the gym. And I was like, oh, what? And then as I was texting him, another one came through for $470. And I was like, oh, oh, this is not good. And so they kept coming through. But like lower and lower denominations. I got in the next month for 300 and something. And so I was like, you need to call now and like figure out what's going on

because someone's trying to get some money. So he calls the number on the text Oh so you guys share the credit card And you're both getting these messages No, only I'm getting the messages But I sent him screenshots So he calls the number on the text And it was like, if you have an issue, call this number

And that's when I suddenly thought I'm going to check that this number's real And it doesn't look like it is It looks like it's a scam Oh so the scammers were sending you the authentication texts Yes I don't really know what the deal is. I don't know

but he finally got through to the bank and the fraud team at the bank were already on to it and see that lots of people are getting this particular scam at the moment and already that morning that had heaps of people. The best part of this story is the scammer's they ended up with a dud.

They couldn't have picked a worst credit card. Megan Pappas's card. This is probably quite a good little hack in some ways that you can talk about. I mentioned this to my husband so many times. So, All they managed to get in the end, they kept trying, and all they managed was like $150.

Because that's all I had left on my credit card. It was pretty much maxed out. They're like, 6.48? No, okay, 4.40. Jeez. Jeez, how long are we going to go on this one? This lady's in financial strife. Anything they feel bad about the proper bits of money into account.

At the end of it, you're like, oh, geez, not this one, no, it's not this one. Yeah. Yeah. So, only lost 150 bucks. Not great. And, you know, they're going to get it back. and all that palava, but I did point that out to my husband so many times.

I was like, lucky that my credit card was like pretty much maxed out. Ben was saying you could have used this time to buy more stuff and blamed it on the hackers. But the hackers who have also conveniently sent all the products to your house. I know. And when I was on the phone to the bank, they were like going through the transactions.

And the hackers used like a Kmart name that's not Kmart. Kmart has nothing to do with this. But that's what they put it under the guise of. And I was like, well, I haven't shopped it came up recently. But you could. You could have. And then they were like, oh, what about pack and save?

And I should have said, oh, no. I haven't been to a bag and zed station? No. Not me, I mean, a hundred bunnings? No. What about this clothing store? Oh, no. I was like, damn it.

We're going back to 2024 here. Damn it. For a while. Hey, next. Well, speaking of a big scam, we're going to talk to a scam expert. For things that you can do to maybe not have this happen. to you. It seems harder and harder to avoid now.

Jono, Ben and Megan, the podcast. The heads. Yeah, I got a flurry of texts that was my bank asking for the code when you do like a large deposit. And I could just see every text that was coming through. The denominations of money would go lower and lower and lower until they finally got $150 out of my credit card. Until they realized your ass was broke. Yeah, that credit card's maxed out, girlfriend. It must be like when you go fishing and you're like, this is a really big fish.

Pull it up and it's like just a bit of seaweed. Wins and losses in the scam game, I imagine. But Sean Lyons, he is the chief online safety officer at Netsafe, and he joins us right now. Happy New Year to you, Sean Lyons. Thank you very much. Throwing you a little bit by the Happy New Year. It's our show catchphrase.

Yeah. So you must hear about this. Well, every day it feels like someone somewhere is getting scammed in New Zealand. Well, it's more than every day. It's multiple, multiple, multiple times every day. 15,000 or so last year reported to us and we know that that's just a small drop in the ocean. A lot of people get scammed and don't ever talk about it because they feel they feel like they're silly, they're stupid and it's nothing to do with the people on the other end.

We're not technically doing things wrong in that case, right? No, absolutely not. And you know, the thing is that the majority of people will, most of the transactions they have, nothing will ever go wrong, but there are people out there. by putting pressure on people in order to do these things. So it is not about what we do, it's about what they're doing. How do they actually get your credit card details, Sean? Are they purchasing them from the dark web, or what's happening?

But that's one of the mechanisms is out there, and that we see or we hear about data leaks every now and again, and those things end up out there for sale. But also, people get tricked into giving over their credit card details. There are a lot of scams out there that are just out there to harvest information. from you so you end up with a phone call or a text or something and all they're looking for is a date of birth or they're looking for your address or they're looking for a credit card number if they're not taking money at the time you think okay there was nothing in that

but there are people out there just harvassing information that then gets used to scam you later on so that there are lots of ways people can end up losing their credit cards i heard of one where they call you and just ask inane details but that they were actually using uh your voice so they could then recreate your voice. Is that true? Yeah, but there was certainly one, it didn't happen much over here because we didn't have too many of the sort of voice print bank accounts, but there were certainly countries where they used your voice to identify you to get into your own bank account. And then don't hear so much of that anymore. And I think the banks have sort of taken away those voice recognitions because of it, because it has become

who easy to get a voice print of somebody. And then, and then, and then, and then, and the banks have, and then synthesise. What is the best thing you can do to protect yourself? It's going to sound really silly, but the best thing you get to protect stuff in these things is stop and breathe. The one thing that the scammers do more than anything, and just about across any type of scam, from

credit cards to romance scams to bank impersonations, the thing they do is they push and they pressurize you. They generally will, whatever their story will be, there'll be something about it that means you've got to act now. With someone telling you, I can see the money flying

out in your account, you need to give me your logging details now. That's a really tough thing to resist. But it is to resist and say, actually, I'm going to stop. I'm going to end this call. I'm going to delete this email. And I'm going to get in touch with my bank or the government or whoever it is that's supposed to be on the phone. Or I'm going to stop and talk to my friends, my family, my partner, somebody I work with.

Someone who's not as emotionally attached, but just taking that time to put it back on, put the ball back in your court, not in theirs, and just take that time to think how likely is what's going on actually really true. Okay, so Megan, you do this wrong? Yeah, no, and also do you think it's a good idea to like max out your credit card so that they actually can't take any money?

Because that was a good thing for Megan. She didn't have much money in hers. We're going to add that to our list of what you need to do for the future of Megan because that's really worked well. Perfect. Yeah, that's good. She's hacked the hackers, mate. John O'Bin and Megan

The podcast The hits It really throws me as Can I ask a favour? But they never tell you what the favour is when they're asking the favour So are we, as the receiver of this question Are we legally allowed to go

Well I'll resume A, can you say no I'm not in a favour-giving mood Or B, how about we tell me what the favour is first? What the favour is, yeah, yeah, it's a good point Because it generally is never a good favour You know?

Because they know what they're doing. Can I ask your favour? Yeah. Yeah, go for it. Can you help me move on Saturday? Now, you're in a position where how do you weasel out of that? You say you're busy. Yeah, I reckon you can ask. We need to be in favour.

It depends. It depends what it is. But then you look at a little, you don't look very giving, do you as a human being? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, being put on the spot with stuff. You know, yeah, you need almost like time. You're like, thank you for asking me that.

I'll come back to you in seven to ten business days. Or do we go, do we have a menu? Is it a small favour? Is it a medium favour or is it a big favour? And then they have to go, I'd put this in the medium favour, Karen, I'd be like, I don't have time for a medium favour. Generally, if I'm like, oh, can I have a favour? Like, it's just something little.

Otherwise, you'd say, can I ask a huge favour? Yeah. And then you have the right to go, well, what is it first? Another frightening one is we got one from our boss on Friday. Can I call you? Oh, God. And I could see Ben's anxiety playing out of real time. of us at the same time.

This doesn't sound good. And then Harriet, I didn't give anything back to you either. That sounds scary. On a Friday afternoon. Don't come back on Monday. Can I call you? And at least in that it is that you go, yeah, what about? Can I have some little entree?

Yeah, this is that sounds scary. I wanted to, no, it's not. It's just about, yeah. You didn't get that. Didn't got nothing until the phone call came through. I had to text and say, I'm at the doctor. I was thinking I'd get out of it. And she said, well, call me back when you have time.

I was like, oh, God. It needs to be a voice-to-voice. Yeah. Right afternoon. Not great time. Monstrous acts. John O'Benn and Megan, the podcast. The Hits.

Now, Reagan, you remember her from the Olympics, the Aussie breaker, who went out and did breakdancing and became a, well, I guess, a viral sensation at the same time she received, unfortunately, a lot of mockery, and, yeah, it felt really bad for her. She came out sort of bouncing around like a kangaroo. Yeah, she did. She threw a lot of things in. A real Australian version of a break. But yeah.

There's a documentary on Netflix at the moment, which is very popular. Right before the Olympics, I went to my therapist panicked. She was like, what's the worst that could happen? The whole world could laugh at me. She's like, do you think that's reasonable? I was like, oh no. So, yeah, we've both watched it. Ben, have you watched it you, Megan, the docker? No, I haven't.

There's a few flags. Yeah, yeah, going in and I can see why she was the little worried. why she was a little worried going into it. But yeah, in this case, the therapist was like, what's the worst going to happen? Unfortunately, the worst did happen for her, you know? It did, yeah. And thankfully, she's still, you know,

it could have gone really badly. Yeah. Her husband, who was also, they met, he's a breaker and he became her sort of coached and stuff through it. He, like, honestly, so supportive, like amazing, but was he too supportive? Afterwards, he was like, this was the best that she's ever done it. I was just blown away.

When she was at the Olympic? Yeah, she was incredible. I was just like, this is amazing. And that's so awesome to know that he is in her corner. But at the same time, like, if it was your partner or anything like that, do you think that maybe? Yeah, I don't know. I get real torn by that because you're supposed to be your partner's biggest cheerleading.

And he is. And when instinctively you know, this isn't very good. He maybe should have gone, hey, should we go and stay at my mum and dads? And she's like, oh, that's the same time as the Olympics are on. He's like, oh, it's fine. There'll be another Olympics. There's another Olympics in four years and then deal with. with it in four years time he's like but mum and dad

won't be around forever like do a bit of a smoke screen to get her away from the event maybe but also again silver linings she is now like doing a Netflix documentary which she probably got paid for yeah true she is very famous she got to go to the Olympics which is an experience most people don't get to do yeah

I mean there's the age old question do I look good in this and as a supportive spouse you always say yes no you're your your husband has a good way, right? That skirt doesn't do you justice. Yeah, it's not fit for you. Yeah.

So he got to go on, you break, this routine doesn't do you justice. Yes, see, that's a nice way of saying. Yeah. You're too good for the Olympics. Yeah. I think honestly, if I would want to be, Amanda, honest in that situation. 100%. Yeah.

Okay, so you would rather be told honestly. I think I would as well. Yeah. Megan, it seems like Andrew's got a good way of telling you. Yeah. He's always like, the outfit doesn't do you justice. My wife does say that to me sometimes when I wear my, I don't care. I know, I'll just wear it anyway because I like it.

She's right. But you're like, I'm already dressed. Can't me bother getting dressed. So when he says that to you, you know what he means, though. No, I don't. I think it's great. I'm like, perfect. Okay, dumb skirt, I'm going to get a different one.

Yeah, right. So you just, you never wear that skirt again? Yeah. So should you be honest with your partner, even if you think maybe deep down inside that something's not for them? Maybe it's an item of clothing, maybe it's something they're doing, you know? I don't think so. I'll 800 of the hits.

Should you be supportive of your partner or should you tell them the... They suck. The honest truth. Is that doing a favour in the long run? John O'Ben and Megan. The podcast. The hits. Ray Gunn, the documentary about the Australian breakdancer who was at the Olympics and then

ended up sort of being the centre of worldwide mockery after she sort of came out and bounced around like a kangaroo. There's a documentary on Netflix about her. Right before the Olympics, I went to my therapist, panicked. She was like, what's the worst that could happen? The whole world could laugh at me. She's like, do you think that's reasonable? I was like, oh no.

So, yeah, poor thing. Did feel sorry about the fallout. Feel sorry for her with the fallout. Didn't deserve that, you know. In other times where people haven't done well in the Olympics, we've kind of embraced them, you know, and gone good on them again. With the eel who couldn't swim?

Yeah. You made a really good point, Megan. Yeah, I was about to do it again. We embraced the men, but then she's a woman, isn't she? Sadly, you might be right in that case. Yeah, it feels, yeah. I was like, why do we not embrace it? And it's like, good on her for getting out there and doing it, you know?

And she gave us awesome. And if a dad was out there doing those dances. Yeah. Oh, he's doing his best. It's funny. Do the sprinkler. He's doing the kangaroo, you know? It's a really good point.

Yeah. All right, the thing with that documentary is the whole way through, She's going to like these, I don't know if they're qualifiers, but sort of getting practice in it, break dancing tournaments around the world. And she's like, these people are really good. And at no point did anything go, hey, I could pull out of this.

Because she had a really supportive partner. And that's what we're talking about. Was he too supportive? Yeah, did he. Yeah, he said he did great. He was so proud of it, which is awesome. But was he too supportive. What about her coach?

He was the coach. He was the coach. He was a sort of advisor for the Australian bracket, but didn't have too much. do with her. How did she qualify? She did she qualify and won some tournaments. She did it legitimately.

Okay, well then who's he to say anything? Yeah. You know? That's right. I mean, it can be the danger of unconditional love is sometimes there need to be conditions. Those conditions are that you can tell your partner, your spouse, when, hey, maybe you shouldn't do that.

Lisa, what do you think? Happy New Year. Happy Year, Lisa. Show catchphrase. Okay, if you've got a partner, are you telling them brutal honesty or you're supporting them no matter what? To be honest, which is ironic, honest. We are family value as honesty, so we are very big on telling the truth and we've got a toddler and even when we want to tell a wee white lie to him, we look at each other and we're

like, got to be honest. And it's hard, but you don't want to be embarrassed in front of the world. Yeah, okay. I think for me, honesty is the key one. And if I'm honest, I actually only called to weigh in because I really love Olivia Day. Yeah, okay. I thought. You're really are honest. You're too honest, and I'll tell you what, I'll be honest. We'll put you in the drawer for Olivia Dadee. I hope so don't. We need a date night. And I'll be honest, I feel manipulated in plate.

I still wait in. You did. It was good points. Good content. Good content, Lisa. You're in the drawer. Hold the line. We'll grab your details.

And Gemma, good morning to you. Good morning. Do you want to go to Olivia Dean firstly? Yes. Okay, all right. Good honesty. And honesty about your partner. I think that it's really good to be supportive, but it's sometimes it's a bit

uncomfortable to be honest, but it's probably more important to be honest so that they just like you were talking about don't make a fool of themselves. And there's ways to deliver the honesty. I know I'm sure you and Ben Megan you, because doing creative things, you come up with ideas and run past

stuff for your partners and you know, Jen, my wife's very honest. Not like brutal honesty. I can just tell when she's silent after I've seen something. I'll be like, okay, we're not going to do that. That's a terrible idea, you know? I like tend to disagree.

I tend to disagree. You say support. Yeah. Because I'm just like, no, but I'm just like, who are you to say if something's embarrassing? And you should know that, Ben. Because you do that kind of stuff all the time. I embrace the embarrassment. But yeah, not many people like to do that.

Follow your dreams, but some people should not follow their dreams, Megan. The dreams into other, here's another dream. And like, you have to be careful. You're not getting into territory where you think they're embarrassing to you or are they embarrassing themselves, you know? Okay, all right. If they really want to do something, let them do that and be there for the fallout. That's the sort of mindset that ends up having you bouncing around like a kangaroo at the Olympics.

But you know what? It's more on society for being as awful as we were than it is on her husband. Shush my filthy mouth. Thank you so much for your texting calls. John O'Ben and Megan, the podcast. Yesterday, oh, geez, the radio school, every now and then you get asked by the radio school. Can you help us out with something? And it was a podcast yesterday.

And I said, yeah, sure. And then I realized I'm a shocking interview guest. Because, you know, we spend a lot of times barking questions at guests that come into the studio. But the problem is when you're a guest and you don't know what the question is that's coming. And you start talking because if you sit there in silence thinking about your answer. And I always start talking and I don't know where I'm ending up. I start trying to form an answer and while I'm just saying words

I'm trying to go, is this leading to anywhere? And then I get to the end of what I'm saying and I'm like, I don't think I answered the question. Or you get to the end, you're like, what was the question? And I did that a couple of times too.

Sorry, I've lost my train of thought. What was the question again? And that doesn't make you a great interview subject, you know? I don't you mean, though, you do start just talking and then you're like, and try to formulate, you're like, what is the point of this?

And I was wondering, do they know that I'm just rambling and hoping that I end up with somewhere Probably I'm probably thinking He's not really answering that Well if they keep asking you back It must be all right

Yeah it was probably them just asking the same question three times He hasn't answered our initial