Jordan, Jesse, GO! - Casters on Casters: Graham Clark, Jordan Morris, Dave Shumka, and Jesse Thorn

Episode Date: April 20, 2026

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On today's show, Jordan Morris, and Jesse Thorne of Jordan Jesse Goh. Dave Schumker and Graham Clark of Stop Podcasting Yourself. Hello, everybody. Welcome to Casters on Casters. One of the favorite things of the Max Fun Drive. I love doing it every year. It's been a tradition we've kept going for almost 20 years now. And it's great to be back again doing it. I'm joined today by Jesse Thorne and Jordan Morris from Jordan Jesse Go and also my co-host, Dave Schumker from Stop Podcasting Yourself. Hello, everyone. Hi. Thank you, Graham Clark from Stop Podcasting yourself. Hi, I'm here too. And I've also loved doing this beloved. it show low on these 20 years low on gentlemen low on i can't believe lorne is already in his 80s yeah that's right it just time flew hey so basically casters on casters the idea of this is first of all happy first day of max fun drive to everybody as this episode is released the idea is that we four friends will get to know each other's programs and each other's production efforts

And in so doing, maybe laugh a little, maybe learn a little, and share a little bit of our hearts with the audience at home. I'm going to larb a little. Is that you're talking about eating this Southeast Asian salad? Yeah, I haven't had dinner. So I'm going to be having a little larb while you're loving and laughing. Man, when I was, we'll get into castors on casters in a second. But when I was a teenager, my dad, you know, ran an NGO that was, did most of its work in Laos. and his co-founder was this woman named Buntan,

and she would come from Minnesota, where she lived to San Francisco and stay with us sometimes. And when she would come, on an airplane, she would show up literally holding a chicken by its neck and two giant cleavers, just like with her luggage by her feet, but those things in her hand on our front porch. And then she'd come into our house,

and she would insist on the first thing that would happen. She'd have a big bag of herbs and stuff, too. the first thing that would happen is she would make larb. And it involved taking that chicken, again, whole chicken, and just whacking at it. Like, we would just hear Buntan going at it in the kitchen with those two giant cleavers just chung-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-chchchchchchchchchchchchchchchch. Anyway, it's just larb memories. That's always the first segment of... Sure.

And, you know, it's a fun way to acknowledge that airport security has really changed a lot over the years. Also, I thought Jordan said larp. and I was like, okay, we've got some time for some larping, okay? Oh, yeah, I think the audience would really like a little bit of larping. I could see them seeing the name Casters on Casters, and maybe thinking this was a D&D thing about spellcasters, like a whole party filled with spellcasters, and then just angrily hurling their phones against the wall when it's not that.

This is pretty much the kind of bullshit that constitutes Jordan Jesse Go, what stop podcasting the cell phone? Yeah, this is basically the show. Well, and stop podcasting yourself. We're Canadian, so the French Canadians would know that Castors on Castors is French for Beavers on Beavers. That's right. I think my dad had that VHS video in his downstairs bathroom. I like to think that Dave and I are the Justin Trudeau to Jesse and Jordan's Katie Perry.

That feels like... Yes. I mean, you guys are known for your problematic Halloween. Boy are we. You guys love to dress up. And we're known for our shark friend. Our shark friend and going to space and buying a monastery out from underneath

some nuns, right? If you were married to Russell Brand for a while. That's right. We were. Oh, wow. I forgot that we were married to Russell Brand. I forgot that you bought a monastery. Wow. Geez, you guys have done a lot in your day. And of course there's our magnificent rack as well. Our famous rack.

Baboom! You guys have been podcasting longer than us? Who was podcasting first? Dave, I feel like you would remember. We have? Yeah. There was a while where you weren't, but there were like, in our first few years, you stopped doing weekly shows and we were catching up to you episode by episode,

but I think we're probably about the same in terms of episode count. When you started the show, Who Approached 2? I guess I approached Graham, but, you know, I was really shy. Yeah, he was across the dance floor. I was hoping he would approach me, but he didn't know what a podcast was. You waited for the Sadie Hawkins pod? It was 2008? 2008, yeah.

Trying to think, what was in the theaters in 2008? Boy, I can't remember. But whatever it was, I bet it was good. I'm glad that you got in. in 2008. I'd hate to think that you'd have been 2000 and late. Yeah. But you guys were setting the standard

for what was going on gentlemen podcast-wise. Can I just list a few movies from 2000? I was going to do that. You go ahead. Google came up with some weird ones. I'm sure there's more noteworthy ones. But of course, we all remember M. Night Shyamalan's The Happening. Of course,

Lake Mungo. I did not I typed in best movies of 2008. Oh, Cloverfield. Cloverfield Mania. You typed in best movies of 2008 and you got Lake Mungo? Lake Mungo, a film I have never heard of, but looks kind of spooky. And of course, M. Knight-Sharmelon's The Happening.

I think everybody agrees. It's famously one of the best ones. Where the villain is the weather, I believe, the wind. That's right. That's right. The boy in the striped pajamas. Oh, of course, Joyride 2, dead ahead. It's 2008 the worst movie year in history?

Is that what we're finding out? Wait, there was a Dragon Lance movie? Dragon Lance Dragons of Autumn Twilight came out in 2008. Starring Lance Dragon, P.I. Oh, the hilarious romp superhero movie came out that year. Oh, yeah. That's when they were spoofing up a storm, right they? No movie was safe.

chunks of superhero movie. Is Cloverfield the best movie we've listed? What's that? And like I'm not like I want to be clear. I'm looking at a panel of one, two, three, four, five, seven by five-ish movies. I'm looking at all of them. I'm not dismissing any of them to get to a joke answer. I'm trying to find something better or more notable than Cloverfield and failing. Yeah, me too. Wow. This is a really, well, Hancock, there we go. Hancock. Oh, get smart with Steve Carell. And I think from the chat, we're getting, from the chat, I mean from our producer, Jordan Cowling, the curious case of Benjamin Byrd.

Oh, okay. Anyway, Graham, do you remember Dave approaching you? Yeah, he was did it in a dark alley. I didn't see him at first. And then he said, pst, and I turned around. And there he was. Let's start a pod, he said. And at the time. It's always fun to start with, isn't it? That's a great way to see. start. Start anything, really. Get off on the right,

they say. Yeah. But yeah, we listen, or I listen to your show as like, because I was like, what the hell is a podcast? And I think this show and Never Not Funny were the two that I listened to pre us going on our own way. And it really kind of shows in the concept of what we came up with. Yeah.

Listing things from different years. Yeah. Uh-huh. We're all part of a. Proud tradition. That's right. Jordan, do you remember me and you deciding to do Jordan, Jesse, go? Because I genuinely don't.

I remember you moving to L.A. and like, I don't specifically remember the, like, phone call or, you know, postcard or whatever. You know, it was 2006 or seven. I don't know. Were we texting back then? I don't know. I'm always, like, a little bit late to everything, so I probably wasn't texting. But I think you, maybe it was an email. Maybe it was an email. But you saying, like, we should start doing our old college radio show again and you kind of explaining the concept of podcasting to me. And I didn't quite understand, but assumed like it was like our old college radio show on KZSC 88.8.8. That would like, you could, you could live stream that via like real player or something, right? Like, so I think I, you know, like some high school friends back home would sometimes listen to us on the radio via real player. And I thought that's. what you meant and what we should do. And I think I was, you know, I was excited to do it. Obviously, I loved doing The Sound of Young America. It was one of the highlights of my college experience. And I was like, stoked to jump back in, even though I didn't quite understand what a podcast was.

And then I learned, because I think at the time I was PAing. Production assistant. So yeah, I was doing a lot of just like, aimlessly driving around L.A., but I did not have an iPod and, you know, phones didn't play them yet. So I would like burn episodes of This American Life and fresh air onto a CDR and like listen to them in my car. That was my first. Are we talking about an audio CDR or a data CDR? Because there were car stereos that would play MP3 files off a CD. Oh yeah. I don't know.

I was probably had a disc man with a tape interface. That feels like that gets expensive. That feels expensive to me. In the production assistant office, I think I had access to spindles. Oh, wow. Mr. Free, you didn't even have to go get a Costco and get him. No, no, no. That was being paid for by South Beach.

It was in a pre-breaking Bad Jean-Carlo Esposito played a kind of a similar character to what he would go on to play in Breaking Bad. I remember you, Jordan, like telling me different things about what show business was, such as just endless auditions to try and find. a super hot babe who could reproduce the line reading of a joke for a two-line part on living with Fran.

Like that that was just what show business was, was just like a bunch of producers bringing in babe after babe until one could parrot the line reading of a joke punchline well enough to be put on a Fran Dresher sitcom. And the tough part about that, for me at least, being the person who had to like check in the babes was getting my tongue off the floor. It would unroll like a carpet. Who keeps saying homina, homina, homina over there? Yeah.

My head would turn into a wolfhead. Dave and Graham, you guys were both doing comedy at the time. Did anyone you knew in real life listened to the show in the early days? I think only people we knew in real life listened to the show in the early days. Abby's Aunt Sheila was an early adopter. Yeah. Yeah. She was a regular writer.

out of the gates. Abby herself. Maybe my brother. The numbers were pretty low, week one. Also, like, to explain to somebody, I think you even talked about it in, like, keynote address or something, Jesse, where, like, when you'd say, oh, listen to my podcast.

You'd be like, how do you do that? Well, you've got to open up iTunes. You have to, you know, negotiate your way over to the podcast. That you've got to download the podcast and be able to play it off of it. And that people would just kind of blank out at download a thing. Yeah, you'd have to be like, what's your spindle situation? Where are you getting your spindles from? Right. What production office are you stealing CDRs from? When you open a new spindle,

do you like that smell? Ooh. Ooh. Oh, a new spindle. Do you guys remember the realization that people were listening to the show? Was there anything that happened where you're like, oh, I think someone's listening to this other than my immediate family? Well, there was that one time, we were like in on the streets of Liverpool and these uh black and white uh teenagers started chasing us yeah uh George took a real face plant into the ground oh man which one of use the cute one we're still waiting to get the DNA results on that okay which would have used genetically cute I truly don't remember people listening like that I remember we started getting calls from people in other countries. That was like a big.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was like a big deal. And then I, we definitely still have a lot of the, like the names of the early emails we got are still people we hear from low these many years later. Yeah, yeah. I think we have a little like stash of people who's been there since the early days too, who we still like hear from and, and whatnot. And it's a great feeling. It's wonderful. Thank you if you're one of those folks. Thank you for sticking with us. I feel like my goal in my head was Jordan, and I had been doing sketch comedy. And my thought was like,

we would have, Jordan and another one of our sketch buddies, Lauren, lived in Southern California. And me and our other sketch buddy, Jim, lived in Northern California. Because we'd all just graduated from college. And Jordan and Lauren would get in Lauren's car and drive to the Bay Area to do a show at this like theater called the Marlain. or one of these other theaters in San Francisco that were like 80 seats. And we were flying to other cities to do sketch comedy festivals with theaters of like

160 or whatever. And I remember thinking like this all seems like it would be worth it if we could get 200 people to listen. That was like the number in my head. Like if we're willing to drive to San Jose to play a 60 seat comedy sports theater, then we should be willing to make an entire show for 200 people scattered across the country. And we're about to hit that number ourselves. Yeah.

We're close. When you get that 200th listener, oh, it feels good. I mean, we're talking about cumulatively over 950 episodes. We're almost at our 200th listeners. Oh, yeah, not at once. Not at once. That's insane. In the early days, did you guys have stuff that got dropped from the show?

I was kind of thinking back to our early days, and I think it had a lot more like, scripted stuff or loosely scripted stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah, what were some of the things that you dropped? We had so many segments. We were like, our first episode, we were like, how long do we want this to be? 45 minutes. Oh, how are we going to do that?

Well, we need to have 10 or 10 four minutes. Yeah, at least 10, 10, 4 minutes. And we had, they all had theme songs and we still have like a cache of the old theme songs. And they were like, we had a thing called Pop Rocks Minute where we would just look up what was the latest news in pop rocks while we had pop rocks in our mouths. That's good. Yeah, that's fun.

You could do that on like YouTube now, and that would seem like that would be a thing. We did, God, do you remember any other ones? We would do stunt casting, which we just did as a bonus episode where we'd like pick a movie or TV and we'd cast it with celebrities of the day. Yeah, we'd remake the Breakfast Club with like, oh, we need a red, head to play Molly Ringwald. Well, what about Renee Russo? I'm laughing. I'm laughing. My gut just

busted. I need a surgeon. What about you guys? Do you still do Jordan sings a song? Oh, I love that segment. The song was a pretty good segment. Yeah, that was when I would sing a song. Yeah, we had a lot of stuff, too. And I think we had that feeling of, like, how do we

fill this time? Certainly, we can't just run our mouth. But I think maybe, like, like I think something that we learned is that like podcast listeners like consistency and when the show is just like a mishmash of different things every week like it's hard to lock into. And obviously like our show is hard to lock into now for various reasons. But I think then it was like, okay, well, we have a long improv bit where someone pretends to be Bart Simpson and then we. It was Paul Rust. It was specifically it was Paul Rust. Yeah, yeah. Was it Neil Campbell maybe? It was either Neil Campbell or Paul Rust. that pretended to be. You had like background noise in like the first 10 minutes of the show. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, right. And we would, Jesse, I think, had access to some sort of royalty-free atmosphere.

Well, you still were in that far. We still owe those people so much money. We're still paying off the royalties. One of the things that we realized doing the show week after week after week, other than the fact that, you know, we could fill the time with bullshit like we've presented thus far in this castors on casters. was that, you know, not just that people wanted consistency within the episode in terms of like content, that, you know, we shouldn't do two completely different things one after another,

but that people wanted to listen to us be their funny friends, much more than people wanted us to do bits that were a thing. And anytime we were trying to do something, people would be mad at us. Like, we would get angry letters about us trying to write something or come up with a premise to do something. And instead, what people wanted was just a funny thing that happened to us when we were at the grocery store with very, very low stakes. And the one thing that was, like, early internet that I miss was not the sound effects records, although I did like those sound effects records. I think, yeah, I enjoyed those sound effects records. but like it was,

I was into like Boing Boing and these like very early blogs and people doing cool internet stuff. But I was not super into nerd culture stuff like, you know, classic nerd culture stuff, comics and computer stuff and stuff like that. So what that left for me in that window

was these kind of things like Zay Frank who were, they were like trying to use the internet to do weird stuff. I remember Zay Frank. Wow. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like Zay Frank, I mean, in my experience, very nice man. I had lunch with him once. Like he did this thing where he tried to put two pieces of bread on opposite ends of the earth to make an earth sandwich. And I thought if you got people listening, it would be fun to get them to do dumb stuff.

And, you know, we had a high five contest that was who can high five the most people in a period of time and provide evidence. and at some point someone high-fived Yao Ming and got a lot of bonus points for that. But like the spirit of that, which is not a big part of the internet now except in like things like bros icing bros or something like that, you know, viral video challenges was something that I really liked the idea of

and wanted to be an important part of the show and that sort of slipped away over the years as it became more chill, us talking about things that happened to us with, you know, Cristola Alonzo or whatever. Do you guys talk to each other before the show about what you're going to talk about on the show? No. No. We specifically say, like, if Graham will start or one of us will start talking about something, we'll say, shut up.

Shut up. Save for the show. Save it. Stop. Don't talk. Do you? Jesse, I don't know that we've explicitly talked about this, but here's something I think we've started doing in the show, like the past couple of the years. It's like, before we bring in the guests, you know, Jesse and I have a little back and forth. And I think someone kind of like leads that. Someone kind of like has the thing. Because yeah,

if we both have a thing that it like takes forever to get to our guest, I think we already kind of make them sit there a weirdly rude amount of time. So like if we're both, you know, tell in a story, it's a little too long. Our greatest worry, I would say, Jordan, to correct me if I'm wrong, is that they'll sit there long enough to figure out what the show is and then leave. Sure. Like, oh, okay. They're not going to plug my comedy special. We will at the end.

So, yeah, I think we've kind of started like saying beforehand, like, oh, I got a little thing about or let me talk about. But also I think there's an element to it, too, like, as we become boring middle-aged guys, like, there's just not a ton of anecdotes anymore. So yeah, I think when we have an anecdote, like you want to hold on to it, you know, and you want to make it count. So if like Jesse has one, I'm not going to burn mine. I'm going to save that for a future thing because I don't know when something's going to happen again, you know? Yeah. When do things happen? Basically never.

Yeah. Dave and I went to pro wrestling on the weekend, so we've got a little something for our next episode. Oh, that's perfect. We both need an anecdote for every episode. So, Graham, you can have that. I went to the eye doctor today. Okay. there we go, settled.

Are you ever on the air worried about whether you're going to have anything to say? No. I mean, we panic. Like we visibly like, oh, God, what happened to me this week? And I write down like a little thing to remind myself of what happened. No, nothing, nothing. Okay, let's go through my camera roll. See if I took a picture of anything interesting.

Oh, yes, I walked near a tree this week. Saw an interesting dog. I parked an E3 and wanted to remember it. But once we start, there's no, there's no period where we're like, oh, we're running out of things to say about a thing, especially with a guess there too, that we can bounce things off of them as well. So we're never, there's never like a long, what do we talk about now? Like, there's always something to bounce off of.

Yeah, something will, like, we've done enough episodes to know that we don't have to have done anything that interesting in order to get a fun 10 minutes of. of it. Yeah. In fact, the more boring the better. I think your show, like, as a listener, and I'm a very committed bumper, as you guys know, I listen every week. And where did bumper come from?

That was just a thing that got said in the first episode. Yeah, I misspoke. And our little musical bumpers that we have between segments, I accidentally referred to our listeners as bumpers, and then that took off. Oh, how it took off. Yeah, exactly. Sorry, Jesse, I interrupted. Oh, I was going to say, I feel like your show has a pretty unique tone.

And I'm always surprised at how comfortably you fit so many comics other than John Doer into that tone. Because your show is so funny, but it is, it nests. It never feels like you guys are pressing. It never feels like you guys are pressing. Like I feel like on Jordan Jesse Go, if I'm feeling nervous that things aren't exciting enough, I start escalating and escalating at Jordan. And your tone is always so calm and gentle for a comedy show. Calm especially. And it's not always gentle.

But like that calmness really suffuses the show. No matter who the person is, again, other than. than John Dorr. Like, you can bring a really effusive person onto the show and sort of loop them into your relaxed, pleasant tone. I appreciate that. That's, yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, years and years of watching Kind TV like Much Music and CBC has really bred us to be as calm as as possible. You guys are just getting Beavis and Butthead, right? No. You guys just got Beavis and They floated it in Parliament and it was struck down. Oh, it was a no, a no on Beavis.

Yeah. Is there a guest or an episode that you guys look back at most fondly? Or the opposite, if you want. Is there one you do? I feel like you're asking all the questions. Of your show? No, of your show. Yeah, I mean, I think, I don't know if I, I mean, maybe you, y'all have this happened to you inside your brains.

The show's kind of mushed together a little bit. Like, I don't think I remember like, ah, we were on fire on this episode. But I do remember, like, having a good time with a specific guest. And, like, you know, we, we love a callback. So we definitely have jokes that were so fun the first time we decide to constantly do them. I decide to constantly do them to Jordan's embarrassment. You like a callback.

It's a good comedy instinct. Yes. I don't know if I have, like, Oh, this was the episode. But I feel like there's people when they are there. I'm just, because for me, look, Jordan is a social butterfly. I don't leave the house much. So because I have three children with very high needs.

You're going to say three children with three women. Because I have all these responsibilities. And none of them know about each other. posting wilding out my rapping and singing career i think i am like a naturally like a person who hangs out with a list of three people that i know you know what i mean in my personal life like i i just don't do a ton of stuff it's just like once in a while i will send a text message to my four friends and say do you want to go do something however i have lots of relationships through work and especially through doing Jordan Jesse Go that are really special to me

and I think of as friendships. Hopefully the other person might think that they're friends. So there's people that like come in to do Jordan Jesse Go and I'm just so happy to see them. Like I did Never Not Funny's 20th anniversary spectacular the other day. And the person who went on after me was Christella Alonso. And I hadn't seen Christella in a while. And she just comes in and I'm just so happy to see Christel. You know what I mean? I'm so happy to see Christel Alonso. And, you know, Chris Fairbanks, who, you know, Jordan spent years working with. So they were like, they spent in traveling with for work sometimes and all this. They're really close. I just, I basically only see Chris

if he comes in to do Jordan, Jessica. Well, me, too, since he quit drinking. See that guy ever, unless we're podcasting, I used to see him a lot earlier. at a different point in life. But like, when Chris Fairbanks like crosses the threshold, I'm just so happy to see Chris Fairbanks because I get to do the most fun thing with one of the most fun people. Like the privilege to me of getting to goof around

with people who are like the funniest people on earth as far as I'm concerned. You know what I mean? like not the like five funniest but like people who are in the very highest category like people I would never interact with ever like they would be the greatest most funniest person I've ever met in my entire life if I was an actuary like the fact that I get to see one of those people who I personally like every week is mind blowing to me still so I think some of the most fun that I have on the show is when somebody like, you know, two of our faves are Susan Orlean and

Mary Roach, who they're both writers, you know, Mary's books are very funny. Susan's books are more thoughtful, carefully observed than they are funny. But like getting them to goof around and be dumb and like enter our world, you know, is so fun. to me. Like, that's just such a, I get so excited about it. And sometimes when I am like looking at my podcast app and I'm scrolling through and there's not a baseball game on, and I've already listened to that week, stop podcasting yourself. Sometimes I will listen to a little bit of a Jordan Jesse go while I'm driving and I pretend to myself that I am checking the edit or whatever, but actually I'm just remembering a time when I was happy. Yeah. Yeah. I, I,

I think in the same way that you say, like, you get to be around the funniest people. Canada is not great for promoting its homegrown talent. In fact, we seem to be worse and worse at it all the time. But it's nice to have a show where we've been able to have on hundreds of people that are, we think, are the funniest, you know, bar none and are able to kind of show them off. I love the Paul F. Tompkins episode. I know.

You know what? He'll get there one of these days. he'll get citizenship do you guys have like it's hard to put your finger on but do you do you guys have qualities where you're like this is what makes a good guest for our kind of show it's nebulous it's hard to describe

but do you guys I used to think like they don't have to be funny they have to be fun like they just need to be able to like hang out for like we don't need to they don't need to be a comedian we can get musicians and writers and things. So that was always the thing for me. It's like, don't worry if,

you know, this person isn't the funniest person you've ever met. I've hung out with them. They're nice and cool. Yeah. Yeah. That's totally true. I feel like you guys do really great with a giggly lady, like a lady who brings a lot of, a lot of positive vibes to the table. Her name's Bita Judaki. And I was just saying, I listened to an episode of her on another podcast, and she was not nearly as giggly as... Oh, really? Yeah, I think we really bring out this, like, crazy giggle in her.

I think Graham's warm, inviting quality and Dave's sort of quiet hostility really build a sort of middle area. Do you ever listen to other shows that have two hosts and you're like, oh, I'm the, this guy of the show. If I was co-hosting, the show. I would be this guy's role.

I feel like Jordan is both the Dave and Graham of Jordan Jesse Go in that... I do. I have a hat that I put on when I'm one of you and a different hat I put on when I'm the other one. Even though y'all aren't known for your hat. I just have to delineate it somehow to me. Yeah, yeah.

Jordan is both the like guy who sets the friendship tone and he is also the like surgical joke striker. Although I have to say, Graham, that one of my favorite things about you on Stop Podcasting yourself is, and the thing that probably more than any, like, I probably tell, I probably stop the show and take off my headphones to tell my wife about more like jokes, like capital J jokes that Dave says. Because Dave will be quiet for a while and then make a joke.

Yes. you can tell. It's like a toddler that's getting ready to poop. The vein in my forehead gets going, really. I wish I could give an example of this, but I feel like maybe my favorite thing on Stop Podcasting yourself. And I don't know which of Jordan or me might offer this more is, Graham, sometimes you will say something with like specifics that reflect your worldview that are so unique to you and so magical that I am like left a dog and I like tear my headphones out and think I will never think of anything that good and odd in the rest of my life.

If you could send me a list of these things, that would really help me out in the self-esteem department. I can't. I'll send you guys an email once in a while. I try and like to do it too much because I don't want to. to be a creeper. But like, sometimes I'll just, sometimes I'm like, oh, I got to tell those guys how much I loved it when they said this. Well, you guys, when I was, like, when we were very, very first doing the podcast, I was on

the road doing stand-up for quite an extended period of time and like a month and a half or something like that. And you, I had listened to every single episode that you guys put together. And that was kind of the first time listening to podcasts that I had, like that I had a device that could play them. And you guys were such a nice company to have on like a weird, you know, day and day out, checking into weird motels and all that kind of stuff. It was a nice constant. So I know why people like your show, because it did feel like, it really did feel like being around two palsy-wowsies. Yeah. It was like, what if, Keith and the girl were both Keith.

I love this Keith fella. Not crazy about the girl. Graham, first of all, I want to say thank you for that. That's a very kind compliment. Second, just to clarify, you're saying you used to listen to the show? Used to listen on an M.B3 player. Okay, okay. Hey, look, it is so nice to get to talk to you guys who we love and admire

and have been friends with for so many years. I hope that people enjoyed listening to it. And if you love Jordan Jesse Go or stop podcasting yourself, or you love Jordan Jesse Go and stop podcasting yourself, or you got lost looking for diaries of his CEO, go to maximum fund.org slash join and become a member of maximum fun during the Max Fun Drive or upgrade your membership, if you'd like. We just did Dave and Graham a three-hour member-only episode.

Oh, wow. That is dedicated to the entire back half of the catalog of the ABC sitcom Alex Inc. In which Zach Braff stars as a podcaster. It's a bad show. It's horrible. Watching one is tough. Watching one is tough. truly one of the worst things I've ever done.

But yeah, we had a really fun slash hateful conversation about it. Our show is usually very nice, but if you want to hear us, be real mean and angry. That's the episode for you. So yeah, we always love doing fun, bonus stuff like that for the members. What's going on in the Stop Podcasting Yourself members? Yeah, what's happening with the Kings of Boko? Yeah, sort of known as the Kings of Boko. You get a couple bonus episodes from us every month.

This month, we've got our standard. Hot topics. Hot topics. We also did an episode where we did our old segment stunt casting. And we looked at who would star in a remake of Frazier? René Russo. It's got to be René Russo. We did say in a remake of Sex in the City that we needed somebody to be a good narrator

to fill in for Sarah Jessica Parker. character. So we said Morgan Freeman would be the lead of the show. Oh, that voice. Oh, those golden pipes. So check that out. Tons of Boko going back years. Decades. We did an entire, it could have been

its own podcast of watching every episode of Mr. Bean and dissecting it and talking about all the elements in it. Guys, why are you still part of Maximum Fund after all these years? Like, why is it that you guys are

are supported by membership. Like, why is that the thing that you have made, you know, the underpinning of your, like, life and career? I listen to a lot of podcasts. I, there's so many I've listened to that have bounced from network to network to network. Maximum Fund doesn't feel like just a, you know, a thing that's going to get bought out by some big corporation. But also, like, a few years ago, we really,

realize we don't like doing ads. And so we just, we don't believe ourselves when we listen to ourselves talking about a hosting service we don't use. So we just decided, oh, let's see if our listeners would support us if we just stop doing ads altogether. And they have. I mean, I remember getting that email from you guys and having a conversation with Bickram about it, our CEO. Like, I was there and I can honestly report that we were both like, yeah, that's fine, right? Of course. Yeah, would they get to do it how they want to do it? You know what I mean? Yeah. And you guys have been so good to work with and we got to do things like the Max Fun Cons and actually like meet the people who listen to the show, which I think is a very unique opportunity that I don't

think podcasts get to do, like even if they do live podcast in one town, it's the people from that town that show up. But you go and you got to meet like people from all over the country, all over North America, and find that you actually like quite like the people that like what you do. So it's, it's kind of, you know, there's a lot of things out there that I think the person who makes the thing is great. The thing is great. But the people who listen to it, not so great. So yeah, I think it's been a privilege on our part to be able to have the type of audience and the type of network that supports that type of audience. Thank you, Dave and Graham, for having this lovely chat with us.

Thank you, listener for going to maximum fund.org slash join. It keeps these shows going. It is really, really special and cool. And we are, yeah, we're very grateful that people do that. Because, yeah, with the fact that we get to do these goofy goof around shows in 2026, is really, really cool, and we hope to keep doing them until we die. Exactly. Maximumfund.org slash join.

Thanks, you guys.