Jordan, Jesse, GO! - Ep. 334: Summer Podcast Crossover with Glen Weldon and Rhea Butcher

Episode Date: July 21, 2014

In the podcast crossover event of the summer, Jordan is joined by Glen Weldon from Pop Culture Happy Hour and Rhea Butcher from Wham Bam Pow for a summer blockbuster breakdown, an exploration of the mystifying nostalgia for Boy Meets World and a discussion of Juggalo homosexuality.

Give a little time for the child within you. Don't be afraid to be young and free. Undo the locks and throw away the keys and take off your shoes and socks and run you. It's Jordan, Jesse Goh. I'm Jordan Morris, a boy detective. Jesse Thorne out this week doing something, boat party perhaps, another thing. I don't know. Who am I? Jesse's living calendar? For gosh sakes. I am flying solo this week. So, yeah, I thought what I would do would be to treat you, the listener, to a special excerpt from my one-man show, A Life on the Bayou. So, Lindsay, if we could get the sound of crickets and fireflies and just a lone fiddle echoing through the bayou. That would be great.

And curtain. My grandmother was a funny sort. No, that's not what we're going to do on the show today. I have two terrific guests. Maybe they grew up on a bayou. Maybe they didn't. We'll get into that. First, from the beloved Maximum Fun podcast, Wham Bam Pow,

the terrific stand-up comedy person, Rhea Butcher. Thank you, Jordan. I was going to say comedian, and then I said comedy. I loved it. The famous stand-up comedy, Rhea Butcher. Stand-up comedy, Butcher Rhea.

Yeah. Rhea Butcher. What is it? I don't know. Hard to say. Rhea Butcher. Yeah. The Lady James Dean, if you will. Oh, the Lady Rhea. Yeah. Rhea Butcher. What is it? I don't know. Hard to say. Rhea Butcher. Yeah. The Lady James Dean, if you will.

Oh, the Lady. Okay, sure. You've already got a nickname locked and loaded for when nickname time comes around. You can keep throwing those nicknames out there. I can never get too many nicknames. You know, Butch. Sure. That's always a fun one.

Sparky. Sparky. Yep. Ham Sandwich. Ham Sandwich. Old Baseball Glove? Sure. Sparky. Sparky. Yep. Ham sandwich. Ham sandwich. Old baseball glove? Sure. Joining me and old glove this week, I'm not an equally exciting guest.

Maybe I would say a more novel guest because he's someone who is not from the neighborhood. He's visiting. not from the neighborhood. He's visiting a favorite podcaster of mine, an author, and one of the fourth chair, the third chair on NPR's Pop Culture Happy Hour podcast, Glenn Weldon. Glenn Weldon, welcome to the show. Thanks very much. Thanks very much. What chair would you say you are on that show? I'm usually the third. Okay.

Yeah, because we're facing Linda usually when we tape that podcast. So I would be, you know, put the rotating guest now in the fourth chair. So I guess I'd say third. And you had Linda on last week. We did. And that's fine. I mean – We're getting – full confession.

We are getting kickbacks from big pop culture happy hour to promote this show. We are in the pocket of pop culture happy hour. I mean she was great. She was fine. She was funny. She's a brilliant writer. She's wonderful. But she doesn't love you like I love you, Jordan.

I mean, I go back with this show. I'm talking Hot Tubbin' on the Late Night. Wow. I'm talking when John Hodgman was a segment. Deep cuts. I'm talking Hang It Up, Keep It Up. I go back. And so it's fine that she was here first.

It's fine. Yeah. Let's not talk about it. Well, so are you feeling a little bit competitive? No. No. Okay. No, because I'm here now.

Sure. Let's focus on now. You're here now and you're going to destroy her. Exactly. That's all that matters. That's the plan. Guys, I'd like to start today with a story of failure, if I might. Please do.

Those are my favorite kind. So a couple of years back, Glenn, as an OG listener, you'll probably know this. A couple of years back, I had a kidney stone. And the doctor who presided over my kidney stone told me it was from a just kind of a lifetime of soda and a lack of water, just a general lack of water in my day-to-day consumption. I don't know if you guys know this but a kidney stone is basically the most painful of things. I'm told motherhood is kind of unpleasant. I'm told having a baby is a little bit of an ordeal.

It lasts a little bit longer. Yeah. I don't buy it. This thing was painful. And I would never like – I would like that to never happen again in my life. So since then, it was maybe three or four years ago, I just – I've been drinking water like a crazy person. I have a camelback that I bring with me to work. You have it on right now, right?

I do. Yes, exactly. Camelback mini. Yeah, right. Little camelback that I bring with me to work. You have it on right now, right? I do. Yes, exactly. Camelback mini. Yeah, right. Little camelback. Little camel. And kind of my test for myself and something I take a lot of pride in is that my pee is always clear. That's what you want.

Great job. I want clear pee. And it's great just because it's a couple times a day where I can go into the bathroom and just have a little moment of pride. It's like, hey, look at that transparent pee. You just put up a single fist. Yes, exactly. It's like the end of the breakfast club. It's just like your earring is gone and your pee is clear.

Don't forget about me. Yeah. Don't you forget about pee. There you go. Right there. And our fourth guest, Weird Al Yankovic. He's everywhere this week. So yeah.

So I always pride myself in clear pee and no matter what's going on in my life, whether I'm doing well, whether I'm achieving my dreams, whether I'm – my best self, I always can take pride in knowing that my P is always pretty clear. So I went to the doctor. I've got this new job with some health insurance for the first time in a long time. So I'm just going to go to the doctor like crazy. I'm just going to be on a first-name basis with that guy. I'm going to have boils looked at. Yeah. Sure.

Munchausen syndrome. If I feel too sleepy, I'm just going to go to this fucking doctor. Yep. I'm going to go to the doctor like a goddamn Canadian. Like a fucking Swiss Canadian who can just go whenever he wants to. So I went to the doctor and I was just having everything checked out. I peed in the cup, put it through the little slot, and then I went in the next room to get my blood drawn. And as I'm sitting there waiting for the blood to get drawn, I saw my sample there with maybe six other samples.

And? My pee was nowhere near the clearest. Oh, no. Nowhere near the clearest. Oh, no. Nowhere near the clearest. If this was a – one of those little rectangles they give you for paint colors, mine would have been like the third. It would have been in the middle. And I feel like I just – I can't help but feel like this is a failure. Like I maybe should have prepped for it more. I maybe should have like gone on a fast or something.

But I just – I didn't know I would have to look at my pee next to other pees. Right. Because that doesn't really come up much. No, no. I could just assume that my pee is the clearest. Yeah. But it's not. Yeah.

But it's not. And this – and I wouldn't – this place that I went to the doctor, I wouldn't call the clientele the most health-conscious people in the world. There were some muttering transients in there. Sure. And I feel like if – to think that these people are more pee-conscious than I am, it's – I don't know. I can't help it. They're more hydrated. That doesn't necessarily mean they're pee conscious. They just drink gallons and gallons of water.

And I want to ask you guys this. Is there something in your life that you take a lot of pride about that is maybe something that's not like my job, my creativity, my art? Is there something that you take a lot of pride on, on, about? Take a lot of pride about? Have a lot of pride about? Why am I having trouble with this sentence? Take pride in?

That's the word I'm looking for. In. In. Is there something you take a lot of pride in that is maybe unusual or kind of left of center? Does anything come to mind? I know I maybe should have prepped you guys for this question. One thing that immediately comes to mind for me is the desktop of my computer. Oh, sure. Cleanliness of that. If I ever,

I used to work in an office, now I work from home, but if I ever went to another co-worker's station and saw that their desktop was just littered with files, especially if it's just files. If it's not even folders on your desktop, like what are you doing? What are you doing with your day that just your entire – It's just like constant. You can't even see what the background is because there's just files everywhere. Yeah.

So that's something that I take a lot of pride in. I mean you have a pornography system that's second to none. I can heard about it. It's very clear, you know. Sure. It's the clearest P of my pornography. Everything's very well labeled. Yeah, super well labeled.

I use, you know, folder system, just very nestled. Sure. Nothing gets lost. Yeah, but there's a thing that happens when you just start throwing files up there and files up there. And there comes a point when your computer says, oh, fuck it, and then just puts everything up into a little corner. Yes. So it seems like you're an efficient functioning human being. But in fact, you are so bad that the computer has to push you back.

It's kind of like when you – It's a little passive-aggressive, isn't it? Exactly. The first time you live on your own and you kind of leave dishes around and you should take them down to the dishwasher but you don't necessarily do and then they start to decay. And then you're like, oh, I really should do something about it. Then you realize if you just hang in there, it will desiccate. It will just become a husk. And so that's the thing.

There's something that happens after rotting. So it's really just about having the courage of your convictions. It's the pupa state. Exactly. Just hang in there after the smell and, you know, then it's just a dried husk and you can get rid of it very easily. It's like the moment when the check engine light turns off when it's been on for eight months and you're like,

I think you figured it out. It's alright, let's just keep going. That kind of a thing. Speaking of desktops, I am putting together something for at midnight next week. It's the Gathering of the J – at midnight next week. It's the Gathering of the Juggalos next week.

So we do a segment on juggalos who are on OkCupid. There are several tumblers dedicated to juggalos on OkCupid. But the kind of legality issue with just using those tumblers is that they have to be active OkCupid members for us to show them on TV. Interesting. Yeah. There's a lot of weird little legal things that I'm having to do. Legality with OkCupid itself? Oh, just with Juggalos.

Very litigious. Oh, Juggalos. All right. They will lawyer up. Juggus. Yeah. So I spent a big chunk of my day yesterday browsing juggalo profiles on OkCupid. Sweet.

Here's something, sidebar, not related to organization of desktops. A surprising amount of the male juggalos deep in their profile will say that they are open to a homosexual experience. Huh. You're kidding me. I would say 30%. That's solid. I was wondering if there's like Juggalos on Grindr. There must be.

There's got to be. That's where you would get much higher. You'd scooch that up to 100% probably. What's this app that I downloaded? What's going on? How does it work? How does it work? Yes.

Fucking Grindr. How does it work? How does it work? Yes. Fucking grinder. How does it work? So it's weird. It's like you have this profile that's like whoop whoop smoke weed. Whoop whoop? Of course. Yeah, yeah. Dank nugs.

Sure. Where are my ninjas? It's Faygo, not Shasta, right? It's Faygo, yes. I made that mistake on the internet and I was swiftly corrected. Like immediately. So yes, Faygo, whoop whoop whoop ninjas dank nugs three quarters of the way down i would consider being with a guy and i i wonder what it is i wonder if it's just it's such a it's such a male culture that they're just OK with it. I wonder if it's the brotherhood involved.

But it's absolutely not what I would guess about those guys. No, absolutely. Anyways. I mean, I would not. I definitely – I am from Ohio. Sure. There are a lot of juggalo types in Ohio, especially southern Ohio. It's like kind of the place.

I definitely would not expect that from them. Yeah. Not to be, you know, judgmental of the Juggalos and the Juggalettes. Not to be judgmental of these rapping murder clowns. Rapping murder clowns that wear the makeup all the time. Sure. But hey, that's interesting. Perhaps it's the feeling of being an outsider and misunderstood and therefore understanding another group of people that are perhaps misunderstood themselves.

We've been overlooking some allies. We need to dig deep. Welcome them, guys. Welcome them. Perhaps we could get marriage equality if it were just the juggalos voting. I mean, guys, I am all for gay marriage. I think it should be legal. I think it should be legal everywhere.

I do not approve of juggalo marriage. Yeah, not so much. It's a slippery slope. It is. What's next? Kiss fans getting married? Kiss fans getting married, right. Mini kisses getting married? No, I don't think kiss midgets should be getting married. Not at getting married, right. Mini kisses getting married?

No, I don't think kiss midgets should be getting married. Not at all. It's immoral. It's against God. Yeah. So yeah. And you know, but Rhea, do you think that's actually as good an explanation as I think I've heard is that it is a part of their thing is that we are outsiders.

This is not mainstream. No one understands us. So I think they would be particularly open to something that is a little more outsider-y. Yeah. Anyway. Still completely unexpected, however. Yes. Oh, yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Yeah. Oh, anyway. So yeah, my folder story that I am building too is that I have to clip out the pictures that we're using. I just had so many Juggalos on my desktop. I now have a Juggalo folder. Juggalo folder.

That's great. Juggalo folder-o. Fucking folders. How do they work? Glenn, do you have – what's your source of pride that one might not expect? Oh, hell. Pride is not a thing I'm particularly comfortable with or familiar with. You know what?

Last couple of weeks, I've been doing this thing called eating less and exercising more. Oh, interesting. Yeah, yeah. I'm not going to talk about it a lot because it is the most boring topic in the world. Oh, please tell us about your cleanse, Glenn. There's this little app that when you go and you go to the gym, you get a little X. A little X. Oh, cool.

And it crosses it off. And I have two weeks worth of X right now. Congratulations on your Xs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's great. Pounds and inches are still hanging on. But at some point, as I get ready for the author photo, you know, this is all about pure vanity. You got to get down.

Because, Len, you have a new book coming out. I do next year. That will require a new author photo. Well, the old one didn't because I insisted it didn't because I just didn't want one. This one might need to have one. So yeah,

so yeah, I just need to, but it is a, it's remarkable how much I value that X and how boring eating less and exercising more is because I was never really

an emotional eater, but I was always a bored eater, like just not eating when you're watching TV. It's like, what is that about? How do people do that? That is crazy. Going to the movies and not eating. That's crazy.

I used to do that. What was up with me? If you're watching something, you should also be eating something. You should just be shoveling amounts of whatever's nearby. Absent-minded consumption. Yeah. Just eating the woman's hair next to you. Whatever.

Like a goat. I'm watching Captain America. I have to have something shoveling-minded consumption. Yeah. Just eating the woman's hair next to you. Whatever. Like a goat. I'm watching Captain America. I have to have something shoveling into my face. Yeah. It's what Captain America stands for. Yes. He stands for shoving things in our mouths indiscriminately. Absolutely.

He took down the Red Skull. Yeah. So we would have a chance. So we could have junior mints. To take a box of Reese's Pieces and pour it into popcorn. Yeah. Because you know who was crazy about portion size? Nazis.

Sure. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Finally to, yeah. Exactly. I just felt it needed to be said.

Yeah. Sorry I'm not going to join Das Weight Watchers. What was your, when you were snacking more indiscriminately, what was your movie theater snack of choice? My movie theater snack of choice? Well, I think my favorite as a child was Junior Mints. Yeah. Because we're just assuming popcorn, yes, right? Sure.

Oh, yeah. Butterfree, super salty popcorn. But now I'm more of a snuck-in Twix kind of gal. Ooh. Because I'm trying to keep – Sneaky Twix. Sneaky Twix. That's my juggalo name, gal. Ooh, a sneaky Twix. Sneaky Twix. That's my juggalo name, actually.

Sneaky Twix. Sneaky Twix. That's not nearly enough of that, though. I mean, this is about constant. This is about ongoing. Yeah, but I'm trying to keep my portion size down, you know? There you go. Keep those X's.

Yubble. X's with Twixes. That's my favorite these days. Yeah. Mine was the nonpareils. Those are basically just chocolate chips covered with little white. Snow caps?

Snow caps, yes. I used to love snow caps. They're called snow caps, but nonpareils is like the fancy schmancy Brock's name for them. And I would always call them.

A Brock's man, are you? I know. Because a little French. You get a little French in there. And I always, and I'm still this, to this day,

I'm not sure I'm pronouncing that correctly. But there it is. Nonpareils. Well, I can't imagine someone listening to a podcast would want to correct your pronunciation on anything, so I don't think you'll hear about that later. No one will bother you about that. No one.

Everyone will be super chill about that. You're just eating chocolate chips. Yes. That's all you're doing. With tiny little chocolate chip versions of boiled down chocolate chips on top of it. Yeah, are the sprinkles also chocolate chips? I think they're just sugar. They're just sugar.

Pure sugar. It's very funny when you think about the, like, chemistry or alchemy of the snow cap, if you will. Oh, and I do enjoy thinking about that. It's kind of cannibalistic in a way when you think about it. You know, you would wolf it down, but you would extend your pinky. Absolutely. Sure. The one time I had a person enjoyed it, it was merely to carry snowcaps into a movie.

I think it was Dick Tracy. Sure. Right. Yeah. Well, Glenn, speaking of, I actually would like to hear a little bit more about this book. Rhi, if you're writing any books, I'd like to hear those. Not yet. So, yeah, why don't we get into that when we come back on Jordan, Jesse, go.

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Yeah, it's purely descriptive. Other languages are so beautiful. Yeah, I know, right? We have the Baldwin and El Calvito. Yeah, I mean, it could be. I mean, that could be it. It could be an Aztec emperor. Sure.

It could be. It helps if you give the old Sabado Gigante sort of spin on it. You know, that television show. They're like, so if you kind of El Calvito. It's the only way I can speak Spanish because that's how I learned. That's why we watched Sabado Gigante, which is nuts. And that guy, that voice, man, that voice makes it. Takes it over the top.

It really does. So I guess, I mean, us, me and my fellow whites, I guess we just know Sabado Gigante from flipping by it and seeing a minute of, holy shit, what's going on? It is purely something that us whites experience in a flip-by basis. But you've sat down and watched it with someone who speaks Spanish. Yeah. Well, actually, his family watches it more than he does. But when we're down, you know, for holidays, it's on. It's just on in the background.

It's a thing. It's just invited into the home. Sure. It becomes part of the night. What is it? It's this giant variety show hosted by this guy whose name escapes me now, who is just this giant presence who is a guy who talks like this, except in Spanish. And it's just nuts.

It's got women in bikinis. It's got little people. It's got all kinds of pop stars and Spanish soap opera stars come on. And I think they do skits possibly. And, yeah, it just goes on and on and on. It is a gigantic Saturday. Can I share a little something with you guys? Please do.

Please do. Some of my earliest sexual feelings were for the women I flipped by on Salvador Higante. That makes sense. So how quick was your flip? I'm talking about the remote control. Yeah. No, not that quick. Yeah.

Not that quick. I mean, it was a leisurely flip by. You're going to linger for a minute? Yeah. The women from Salvador Higante, Kelly Bundy. Sure. These are hallmarks for me. Sure.

Right. For me, it was definitely Joe from The Facts of Life. Yeah, yeah. Go figure. Stirred those feelings very early on. Go figure. Greg, it wasn't Evigan. Gregory Harrison on Battle of the Network Stars.

That was a guy who had a body you don't get back then. You had to work really hard. He had like a 90s body in 1977. And you could tell. He was working. He could work a kayak, my friend. Yeah. He had a lot of exes on that app.

He really did. That didn't happen for a long time. You know, it's funny going back. Speaking of the bods of yesteryear, it's funny going back and watching those old James Bond movies. Oh, yeah. Watching your Sean Connery's, your Roger Moore's. Your Roger Moore's especially.

Yeah. They have paunches. Yes, they do. Like not only are they's especially. Yeah. They have paunches. Yes, they do. Not only are they not jacked, but they have paunches. Yeah. Sean Connery started off as a bodybuilder, a weightlifter. Oh, OK. I didn't know that.

Yeah. As a teenager. And yeah, he still was pretty jacked in the very first couple Bond films. But Roger Moore, man. Roger Moore, there's a documentary about the making of the Bond films where he talks about how he would have to swim. He would have to swim in the morning to do some laps to get in shape in this 70-year-old man's shape

when he was 40 years old. Yeah. And so whenever he kissed a woman, that skin would just sort of accordion up. You know? Yes. That's the thing you don't see anymore is the accordion man skin.

That's good. Yeah, I'm glad to not ever see it anymore. Movie stars are very taut these days. That's a thing you don't see anymore is the accordion man skin. That's good. Yeah, I'm glad to not ever see it anymore. Movie stars are very taut these days. That's true. They have been pulled taut around their skeletons. Yeah, your Hugh Jackman's is jacked. Yeah, but apart from Hugh Jackman, you don't see middle-aged men and women on the TV no more. Oh, no.

Remember Dynasty? In Dynasty, they were having affairs with the chauffeur. The chauffeur was a 50-year-old dude. It's like, why is he in my television in his three-piece suit being all chauffeury? Yeah. It's just – it's all tiny young people. Sure. Except for the people who are playing college age.

They're all 40. They're 40 years old. Yeah. That's true. It's so interesting. So you know what? Glenn, I do have questions about this book of yours. But we mentioned Hugh Jackman.

And actually this kind of I think leads into something I kind of wanted to get both of your guys' perspective on because I think you guys are both uniquely qualified to talk about this. Hugh Jackman kind of a – the Hugh Jackman movie is kind of a mark of summer these days, the X-Men movie. Glenn, you write about books and comic books for NPR.org. Oh, side note. Every time you say that on Pop Culture Happy Hour, your intro is, I write about books and comic books for NPR.org. Just one week, I want you to say, I write about butts and comic butts for NPR.org. Next time. Next time?

Thank you. Next time. Rhea, you do Wham! Bam! Pow! I do. Dedicated to action movies, sci-fi movies. Indeed. Dick Flicks,-fi movies. Indeed. Dick Flicks, if you will.

Yeah. I wanted to ask you guys how you think summer is going at the movies. If you've seen a lot of things, how you think it's going and will we look back on this summer as cool or more of the same in regards to movies? Yeah. I will movies. Yeah. I will start. Okay. Let's see. I will start.

I think that that Spider-Man movie got a little too much shit. I thought it had some moments. Sure. And it was – I think it was unfairly called a disaster. Certainly not a great film. Maybe not even a good movie. certainly not a great film maybe not even a good movie but had a lot of cool stuff

but I think it is for some reason being held up as this disaster that it is not it is just a kind of okay movie maybe didn't need to be made but certainly has a lot going for it more so than it got credit for yeah that's one

that's one thing that I have noticed so I think I will go down in history as the guy who kind of sort of liked The Amazing Spider-Man 2. And I can't even – I'm not even the guy who loved it. Guy who's like, I'm all right with it. That was fine. Hey, I don't feel bad about spending money on it. They've got a lot of chemistry, Garfield and Stone, and it's fun to watch.

They do cool things to the paparazzi. Get off of them. Sure. They held up paparazzi signs so we should like their superhero movies like amnesty international so give them a break yeah uh and i uh i did i did i was very much looking forward to x-men uh days of future past um and i uh i liked it a lot upon seeing it but then i had had a drunk conversation with you and Cameron at a wedding about it, and it maybe changed my mind. Oh, did it fully change your mind on it?

I understand. Why don't you list your main complaint about the film? Well, I think our collective main complaint was that the female character, Mystique, was sort of like a pawn in between Magneto – God, I always am second-guessing myself pronunciation of that – and Xavier, Dr. Xavier. Sure. That they were just fighting over her and that she didn't really have any autonomy. Sure. And that she didn't really play a part in any of the movie. It also didn't have a lot happening in it.

Sure. Okay. So that was our main complaint. There was like ownership between these two men over a woman. Gotcha. Like this was a Twilight movie in the X-Men universe. Indeed. Yes. Of two super-powered gents.

Right. And then a woman who's also has superpowers. Who then like, well, we need to tell her what to do. So how did you feel about her karate kicks? They were all right. There are no Rebecca Romaine karate kicks. Oh, an X-Men purist. And I like love, I love Jennifer, what's her name? Lawrence.

But man, she's no Rebecca Romaine. Okay. That's just the perfect mystique. She was the perfect mystique. I didn't see it yet. I mean, I've been writing a book. I've been writing about nights and weekends. I've been writing mystique. I didn't see it yet. I mean, I've been writing a book. I've been writing about nights and weekends. I've been writing a book.

I didn't see Spider-Man, so I can't speak to its truth to power. Yeah. Glenn, thoughts? What have you seen? Anything you've really liked? Well, I mean, Winter Soldier, you know, when I saw it, I wasn't crazy about it because just the ending with the big things crashing into each other just seemed like we'd seen that many, many times.

I also felt having Robert Redford in the film saying Hail Hydra, it made me feel like when your dad wants to kind of – what are you reading, buddy? Comics. Well, let me – somebody got there. I got there. Oh, Excelsior. Up and away, right? Up and away. Sure.

It's like dad, don't. Just don't. Stay over. Stay over. Stay over there. Did you ever see All the President's Men? Exactly. Did you ever see that?

I was in that. Exactly. Kind of had a bit part in that. A little bit. So when he dies at the end with the hell hydra, it's like, oh, no. I just – it feels like he's playing with our stuff. Sure. I got you.

But is that still – because you said that's how you felt when you saw it first. Yeah. I mean as I get some distance from it, I do – I think I was just fixating on the crash finale ending, the big stupid dumb ending which is always big, stupid and dumb. And there was a lot to recommend in that film up to that point. So I think I want to see it again. Yeah. Yeah. I think – I might argue that I have liked Marvel movies more for sentimental reasons.

Of course, it was super cool to see the Avengers for the first time. X-Men First Class got a lot of stuff right. But maybe I would argue that Winter Soldier is the best movie. Like just sentimental shit aside, what they did with the character aside, if you just showed that to a person who had never read a comic book before, that would be the best movie. Yeah. I agree with you 100%. When I saw Winter Soldier, it knocked Iron Man down from the best Marvel movie to me, just like straight up movie. Yeah.

Like, oh, this is enjoyable to watch. I think Captain America Winter Soldier is the best Marvel movie, hands down. Yeah, I still see. Captain America Winter Soldier is the best Marvel movie, hands down. Yeah, I still see. Maybe it's just that I have such affection for the first Captain America because, I mean, it was just such a war movie with a guy in tights. Yeah. And I thought playing with it the way they did with the USO show, they're kind of having

the fakey comic book version of Captain America there, but then layering it with that and just sort of affixing like the Guns of Navarone or all these old war movies onto that. He's also killing Nazis. I mean it's not going to get better than that. Put Nazis in a movie and I will be there with some snow caps. How bad do the Nazis get killed? Oh, very bad. So many snow caps.

Yeah. Yeah. But that last days of the Condor feel of Winter Soldier. I mean I know what they were going for. Sure. But I would just see, you know, scraggly old Robert Redford there

and I'd just be like, well, this is not, there's a disconnect there for me. He does have a scrunch face. He really does. If Robert Redford were to do any kissing

in that movie, he'd have a scrunch face. I loved what they gave Black Widow to do. I felt like she was finally redeemed and I felt like that movie out of all of them

actually gave women stuff to do. That's true. And they were capable of doing it and they took charge in the movie also loved anthony mackie's role in the in the movie i just i love the diversity of the film for sure i feel like they were really trying because captain america is such a white he's like a white comically white yeah like comically white and i i kind of love that they're flipping that around and being like no no, no, no. Andy's like trying to learn new stuff, like writing everything down that he needs to like read about. I don't know.

I loved it. And it was filmed in Cleveland. And I was actually in Cleveland when they were filming it. Like I saw them setting it up and stuff. I did get a nice Cleveland-y feeling from the movie. You know, Cleveland rocks. Sure. I've heard that.

I've heard that. Yeah. You know Cleveland Rocks. Sure. I've heard that. I've heard that. Yeah. No, it did kind of seem less like a Captain America movie and more like a Lil Avengers with Falcon and Black Widow because they were such a part of it. Yeah.

Anyways. Yeah. I thought their meet cute stuff was fucking charming. It was. And that stuff is the stuff in those Marvel movies that does not always work. That is maybe the biggest ratio of failure is the parts that have to be romantic or cute or funny. And I thought that stuff did inordinately well. The lack of dick measuring was greatly appreciated by myself in Captain America Winter Soldier.

Because like, good lord, I cannot take another minute of that in the Avengers. Like, I know that's the point. Sure. Yeah. But it's pretty exhausting. Sure. Yeah. But it's pretty exhausting. Sure. Hard to have a dick measuring contest when you have the Hulk in there. Exactly.

I think he wins. Yeah. That is the world's biggest dick. And it's angry. Yeah. It's real angry. Yes. You would not like it when he's angry.

Yes. So any other thoughts? Has anyone seen A Planet of the Apes? I did see Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. How was it? Recently reviewed it. I enjoyed it. Is it like a great movie that we're going to be like in 10 years like Dawn of the Planet of the Apes? Remember that? Not at all. Right.

But what they're doing in that film with the CGI actors and then having them painted on is pretty mind-blowing that they're capable of doing that. In the day scenes and then when the monkeys are wet, it's a little rough. But like seeing that – So when the monkeys are painted, it's cool. But when the monkeys are wet, you don't like it as much. You don't want to see them when they're wet. No. They get a little angry.

But I mean it's – like at points I forgot that they were fake. And I was like, is it a orangutan? And no, it's not. It's Judy Greer or whatever. I love that there's like actual actors playing them because they don't have any lines. And then you're like, oh, that's Judy Greer. Like she's missing her glasses. So I had no idea.

That's awesome. She also didn't lift up her shirt and go, you're going to miss these. You're going to miss these. And she just shows her prehensile feet. There you go. Exactly. I can peel a banana with these. Her thumbs.

That kind of works. Yes. Her flamed red rump. Exactly. Yeah, I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen it yet. I didn't see Snowpiercer. Yes.

You saw Snowpiercer? I was just going to bring that up. Yeah. This is something I've been desperately trying to find someone to see it with me. No biters yet. Really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I'm actually surprised by that. Sure. That no one would go see Snowpiercer with you. No biters yet. Really? Yeah. Wow.

I'm actually surprised by that. Sure. That no one would go see Snowpiercer with you. Yeah. Thank you. I'm surprised too. Are you listening, my friends? Remember what I suggested Snowpiercer?

Hey, remember how some of you are excited to see The Purge Anarchy? Why don't we see Snowpiercer first? Sorry. That was just a message to you, my friend group. You should. They should listen to you. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was a really well-directed film. There's so many little to you, my friend group. You should – they should listen to you. Yeah. Yeah, I thought it was a really well-directed film.

There's so many little set pieces, so many pieces. And weird humor comes in at an oblique angle in the middle of it that's very funny, that's very odd. I didn't think it was particularly well-written. I think all the dialogue is really on the nose because it's an allegory. And so allegory is just kind of taking all the characters and going smoosh, you know. And that's what allegory always does. And so allegory is just kind of taking all the characters and going smoosh, you know. And that's what allegory always does.

And so it's like all the ideas are just big and here's a big hunking idea that we're going to tell you about. And, you know, like the villain guy, like the old villain guy, like the old like 40 – he looks like a vice president for development, you know. And he's the guy who's like the evil guy. It was really interesting. I'm glad I saw it. I think Chris Evans was actually really good in it. He was good up until one point, which I think you probably know what point I'm talking about. My dick is bigger than the Hulk's.

Yeah, exactly. There's a read on a line where I was like, wait, what? But also Tilda Swinton in that movie. Tilda Swinton. She'd get nominated for a goddamn Oscar. She's amazing. She will not, but she should. I likeilda Swinton in that movie. Tilda Swinton. She'd get nominated for a goddamn Oscar. She's amazing. She will not, but she should. I like a Swinton.

She, it is worth it just to see her in this movie. Yeah. Like, she is brilliant. Like, I cannot think of another. I've been comparing it to, like, Christoph Waltz. Yeah. In Glorious Bastards, where you're like, you are nailing a villain right now.

Like, you are, this is just like pure evil. Hers is, you know, cartoony. She reminds me of the villain in The Rescuers, that cartoon. Like, even the way she's carrying her body and like her hair, just everything is like. She's Nell the Phyllis Diller. It's so good. Yes. Oh, sure.

Nell the Phyllis Diller is so good. She's so good in that movie. Yeah. Is she a Randy Old Broad? Would you say? She is a Randy Old Broad, yeah. A little more Randy. A little more Randy. She's an Old in that movie. Yeah. Is she a randy old broad, would you say? She is a randy old broad, yeah. A little more randy. A little more randy.

She's an old broad. A little near the middle there. Yeah. She got much back. Some light randiness. So, Glenn, so maybe the reason you have not made it out to some of these movies that maybe we would expect you to have seen is that you have been deep in a book swamp for a few months. Yeah, for a few –

Is book swamp appropriate? For almost a year, yeah. Three questions. Please try and remember them. I will not be repeating them. OK. Tell us a bit about what your book is about. Sure.

Question two, is writing a book as hard as I suspect it is? And I suspect it's very hard. And three, after you have typed the end or end glossary or whatever the end of – Thin. Yeah, thin. Yeah. Or whatever the end of your book is, what – is there a decompression period? Like what – do you feel like you've gotten the bends because you've been immersed in something for so long?

The book is called The Caped Crusade. It's about the intersection of nerd culture and the character of Batman. I'm going to argue – Oh, I don't think those intersect anymore. I think this is a faulty premise for this book. I'm going to argue that Batman was one of the reasons why nerd culture has taken over. And I'm also going to argue that it's not necessarily a great thing that that's happened, that there's lots and lots of layers to that. And I think that the reason – in the 1970s, they made Batman a nerd.

He became obsessed. Before that, he was just your basic happy, smiley scoutmaster with bat ears. He wasn't really – he didn't have the persona of Batman as we know him today. Sure. He was another Superman. He was just basically another Superman except in a bat costume. And so in the 70s, they went back to the 30s and said, let's figure out what he really is supposed to be. And they made him that.

And they invested him with this driving obsession. And they made him grim and dark. And that's when – well, that's at the same time as when comic books abandoned kids and turned inward to kind of go chase teenagers and obsessive, compulsive, nerdy teenagers. Again, Glenn, I'm not seeing this. It seems to be. So you see there's an affinity there. There's a reason why this happened.

And I'm going to argue that they're linked and hopefully convincingly and it'll be great. Is writing a book tough? Yeah. Especially because I'm writing nights and weekends. I have a day job. I also do the in-pair stuff. So it's basically just coming home and sitting down every night and doing it. And I know a lot of writers who do it and it's not that big a thing.

But for me who has no discipline and if I didn't have a deadline, this book would still – I mean it's just – I don't have – Deadlines are nice, aren't they? What is the word? Character? I don't have it. And I just need – and it's awful. There's got to be some sort of service because I feel like I hear a lot of writers say that. Is that the – if I didn't have the deadline, if I didn't have the deadline, and I absolutely am a guy who says that too.

Is there some sort of deadline app or artificial deadline service we can create for writers that like just – it's someone who will call you and yell at you if it's not done. Send you anonymous passive aggressive emails from your editor. Sure. Yes, exactly. Like even if you're not a published author, you could still have this editor app that is mean to you. Kind of riding your back. If you don't finish.

Yeah. Anyway, something to think about. Business idea. No, I mean, you know, I went to grad school for fiction writing and there they taught me, you know, you want to do this thing where you go to your desk every – you want to go to your desk every day at the same time, sit down at 9 o'clock and then write until 1. And as you do this – The daily discipline. The daily discipline. I had a writing teacher call it.

Because what happens is – Create a sacred space, he called it. Exactly. Create a sacred space. You start doing all the prep work that it usually takes you like half an hour to do when you first done to write. You start doing it in the back of your head. So as you're showering, as you're making

coffee, a lot of that work is being done because it's basically like a trance you're putting yourself in. And that's the idea. And it's awesome if you can do it, but I have a day job. So I have to kind of come home and walk the dog and do all that stuff. So is it tough? It's just you. It's just sitting with you for a long time.

And that can be fraught. And it's just – and you're also – it is a good – to get out of parties. I hate parties. So it's good for me to – Got it right. Got it right. Sorry. I got a deadline.

I got a deadline. And what was the last question? You're not going to repeat it. But the last question was – What does one do after one finish? I not going to repeat it, but the last question was – What does one do after one finish? I'm OK to repeat it. I appreciate that. I was just being a tick when I did the first thing.

When you do – when you are – when you have just been Batmanning for so long, what do you do with these nights and weekends? Well, I mean it's – when I turned in the book on the deadline, I knew that this is just the beginning of the process. There's going to be revisions. There's going to be all kinds of line edits. There's going to be everything going on. But I got drunk basically is the answer to the question. I just got really, really drunk. We went out.

My husband and I, we kind of came back and got drunker and it was fun. It was fun because it's just – it's this release. It's this thing that's out there and you can't do anything about it anymore, which is terrifying because, of course, you can. And you will be doing things about it. You're going to be revising it the whole time. But it's just – it felt like – I obsess over deadlines. I don't like blowing them. And when – it's just – you feel like you're five and you've gotten a little checkmark, a little gold star.

And, yeah, it was great. It was great. Yeah, definitely mine for when I finish a big project is, hey, mine's booze-based too. Maybe we've got problems. Anyways, but yeah, that first time and it's not like, you know, the end, you know, closed laptop, pop off. It's like the next day I drink in the afternoon because that is such a thing that ruins writing for me. It's like having a drink in the afternoon. But just like sitting down wherever and just having a drink at 1 p.m., I'm like, now I'm done.

Because it's the afternoon and I have a little buzz. Rita, you have a post-project ritual? I almost never get anything done. Can I call you randomly? Can I just text you as your editor? Push up your glasses and then I'll absolutely get it done. I'm really good at getting two-thirds of the way done with things.

Books, reading them, pretending to write them. I also have a day job and I have not been able to push past the not having time. It is so fucking hard to write when you have a day job. It is so hard able to push past the not having time. It is so fucking hard to write when you have a day job. It is hard to do anything else.

Specifically, my job is at home so then it's really hard for me to then try to work for myself at home because I've been at home and then it's just like my world is real tiny. It's a little tiny corner. But you know, there's stuff happening. I, you know, get really excited and do a little dance every time we record at Wham!

Bam! Pow! So there's that. Oh, terrific. That's cool. You should do a little dance. It's not all rainy days. Yeah.

Do you, like, coming home from the day job and sitting down, even though I spend all day writing at the day job, it feels different. It feels like here is the project now. Can you turn your chair, like, a little three-quarters of a way? A little bit, yeah. I mean, I have two computers on one desk. So I have my personal computer and then my work computer. So I do kind of shut the work computer and then shift to the Macintosh.

Shifting. I shift a little. You know one thing. Do a little shift. Make a little work. Get stuff done tonight. Get stuff done tonight. Get to bed at a reasonable hour.

Go to bed at 10. Woo! Go to bed at 10. Woo! Go to bed at 10. For a long time before I got this job I have now, I was freelance where I had a bunch of very – I don't want to call them terrible because they were creative enough and they were fine. It was like writing like branded internet content for companies. There are worse jobs. It had a lot of little annoyances. So I would be doing that all day and then I would want to be writing a pilot or a submission for a talk show or something like that.

But yeah, same thing. I'm at home. Like I'm – do I just sit on the same couch? And how do I – and one is a job and one I should be – it will be better if you're taking pleasure in it. If you're enjoying this, the work will be better. It just will. So you have to find some way to make it pleasurable. And just what I would do was real little would just be to change the atmosphere in the room somehow, make the lighting different, open all the windows, put the cat away.

Usually the cat would sit with me while I wrote these videos. For a second I thought you were going to say put the cat to sleep. Yeah. Just kill my cat. Kill my cat every day. Kill the cat. But just me while I wrote these videos. For a second I thought you were going to say, put the cat to sleep. Yeah. Just kill my cat. Kill my cat every day. Kill the cat. But just like put her in her crate. So it just like changed the atmosphere in the room a little bit and that for some reason

that made me think something's different now. Yeah. Anyway. The first book was more of a slog because it was basically a history. Which was about Superman. It was about Superman. It was basically a cultural history which means going chronologically from 1938 to now. And it felt like this happened,

then this happened, then this happened, then this. It felt like a term paper. It didn't feel it. And so I would do what I could to try to get some fun in and make with the jokes. But this is a more of a think piece theoretically. We'll see.

Yeah. And it felt like I could pull from different things at the same time. So it wasn't quite as rigid. It meant that the structure wasn't – I didn't have like a structure given to me. So it was a little bit tougher to kind of brainstorm it I guess. But yeah, it was a totally different experience and still drudgery. I don't know if this is something that you did with the book at all. But something that I liked so much about your Superman book is you get to learn about the weird Superman stuff.

You know, like obviously everyone's seen the movies and there are comic books everyone knows. But it's been around so long, there's just a lot of weird shit associated with it. What is the Batman shit? Is there a weird Batman thing that's maybe been buried other than the Adam West TV show? Back when they first licensed the Batman for a television

show, the company also licensed to Japan. And those people were making Japanese manga that had nothing to do with the character of Batman, but it just looked like Batman. Sure. And it's actually available now. You can find it. I think it's a book called Batmanga, which is

basically where he fights Mr. Deathman and all this kind of very weird stuff. Really? The Japanese version of Something's Weird? Yeah. Yeah. I figure.

Yeah. And it's deeply, deeply weird and a lot of fun. And, you know, of course, there's always, you know, all the Batmite stuff, all the little – his little interdimensional pest who puts on some hijinks and wackiness ensues whenever Batmite shows up. Yeah. There's a lot of weird stuff. But that's what I like about it because now we're starting to embrace the weirdness and

we're not trying to imagine he's just a badass. He's just a badass. That's all he is. Badass Batman is really annoying. Yeah. Really, really annoying. I think superhero extreme darkness is on the way out, right? I mean are we starting to have fun in these things again?

That would be great. That would be absolutely great. I mean that Superman was not having fun in these things at all. Yeah. I mean I think that's part of why that had such a nasty reaction is it did almost seem retro. It seemed so 2005. I really did. How mopey Superman was.

Like isn't this so emo? Post 9-11. So emo. You're just – yeah. Yeah. It's like it's a new – Barack Obama's in office. Come on. Let's goof around a little bit.

Let's goof around. Maybe we need a juggalo Superman. There you go. Oh. Yeah, sure. That would be a great crossover. Yeah. We don't have enough crossovers anymore.

Yeah. Everything is like just – it's not a crossover. It's just smashing everything together. Let's cross it over. Guys, what are we doing here? Oh, yeah. This is the Big Summer Podcast crossover. It's just smashing everything together. Let's cross it over. Guys, what are we doing here? Oh, yeah. We are crossing. This is the big summer podcast crossover.

It is a big summer crossover. It's true. This is worlds are colliding. This is like – yeah. This is like the summer programming long ABC movie of like Boy Meets World and Sister Sisters. And then a third one that I can't recall. Step by step.

This is what it is. This is like when they all go to Disneyland or there's a hurricane that affects all of them. Yeah, they all get washed into the same hotel room. Sure. Whoopsie. If this was a comic book, we all would have fought each other at the beginning because of some wacky misunderstanding. And then we could have worked together. Yeah.

And then at the end, everyone's mind gets wiped. So we remember none of – oh, by the way, we're wiping your minds. Okay. So this doesn't really happen. We just had fun with it. Do you validate at the mind wipe or do I validate somewhere else? Yeah, yeah. Just have it punched there.

All right. Sounds good. Yeah, but don't ask the guy again. Just remind me though. Sure. Remind me to Mind Wipe. You mentioned Boy Meets World. Yes, I did.

As I am wont to do. I do. Okay. Boy Meets World, I knew it was around as a kid. Yes. The extreme nostalgia for that show that's around is something that baffles me. Glenn, are you familiar with the fact that people love to remember Boy Meets World? I know.

I was too old for it. But so are you guys the same age? Is it just original? I am 31. OK. OK. So theoretically, if you're experiencing that nostalgia, you should be too. Yeah.

It's usually time-based like that. It usually works out like that. But you don't have the nostalgia. People said my dad looked like Mr. Feeney. Okay. That was my main experience with those people saying my dad looked like Mr. Feeney. And he does look like Mr. Feeney quite a bit. Okay.

And it's one of those things that – that and Hocus Pocus. Yes. See, that I missed out on hocus pocus that was not i didn't catch that groove it's like i just i look at it and i'm like what are we all remembering this what what about this like it seems like it's even eclipsed like urkel which seems like to be more of a cultural touch oh for sure that is bizarre now no one talks about urkel no how weird it got why he was a robot at the end yeah more of a cultural touch. Oh, for sure. That is bizarre. Now, no one talks about Urkel. No, not weird.

It got why he was a robot at the end. Yeah. All of a sudden, how there was time travel. Yeah. Urkel. Seems like Urkel. There's more to dig in. Yeah.

So can you explain to us the the nostalgic value of Boy Meets World? And are you excited about this Girl Meets World? And why does anyone care about this? I mean, I have nostalgia for Boy Meets World and are you excited about this Girl Meets World and why does anyone care about this? I mean, I have nostalgia for Boy Meets World. I am not repeating any of those questions. I am nostalgic for that show because I happen to watch it and I happen to be affected by one writer strong on that

show. Very confusing gentleman. In a good way. I don't mean that in a negative way. Also, really enjoy... You maybe have that you got your look from him. Yes, perhaps. It is possible that I maybe grabbed a bit of Rider Strong's personality. Who did Rider Strong play? I'm sorry.

Sean. OK. Whose last name is escaping me right now. The bad boy. Sean Hunter. There it is. The bad boy. The bad boy who I couldn't decide the bad boy the bad boy uh who i

couldn't decide if i wanted to be with or be sure i think it's definitely more the latter i felt the same i felt the same way about the ladies on sabago hit couldn't figure it out i just want to dance behind a giant baby i just there's something about baby hegante um. But I don't understand. That's a super valid point of the Family Matters. Actually, it's probably racism. I mean, sure. I don't mean to go super serious, but actually that's probably it. Or maybe just to nail the robots.

Yeah. Because Urkel eventually became a robot. Right. Because, I mean, Family Matters, is that like some great show? No. No. But is it a cultural touchstone? I think so.

Sure. Probably larger than Boy Meets World because everybody was watching a show with a cast that was completely African-American. Sure. So that's a bigger deal to me than another show about kids in like suburbia or whatever. But why Boy Meets World and not any of the other shows that run at that same time so identical to those other shows but it but the boy meets world nests in our culture now is so intense anyways can you explain it why was it different than those other ones i mean i don't perhaps because it's all kids. Yeah. You know, like Step by Step was all kids, but there were –

Suzanne Somers was there. Yeah, Suzanne Somers and Patrick Duffy were like the stars of that show and sort of like – it's kind of like a full house syndrome where the adults are the stars of the show and then the kids start creeping in. Sure. But Boy Meets World was always set in the kids' world, and it has a Savage in it. And everybody loved – God, why am I blanking on that show? Fred Savage's show that was the show. Wonder Years. Thank you.

So I feel like it has the Wonder Years – it's like the Wonder Years light. Rhea, you have given me two very plausible explanations today for Boy Meets World nostalgia and gay juggalos. Yeah, there you go. Both of those satisfy me completely. Yeah. It's racism and – Have you thought about writing a book? Well, now I will.

I'll never get it done. It's called Things My Fred Jordan Doesn't Understand. Things He's Impressed By. Yeah. Huh. So, OK. So I buy that. Yeah. It was's impressed by. Yeah. Huh. So, okay. So I buy that. Yeah.

It was all kids. Kids ran the show. The parents were on the peripheral. It's almost like a Saved by the Bell sort of a show. Sure. You know? And then it just stayed around long enough because it's not a good show. No.

I mean, props to everybody that was on it. Sure. Props to Rider Strong. Yeah, of course. You don't want him. You don't want Rider Strong fans coming after us. By the way, that was on it. Sure. Props to Ryder Strong. Yeah, of course. You don't want Ryder Strong fans coming after us. By the way, follows me on Twitter. Whoa.

And retweeted one of my tweets. So that was a big day for me. I don't mean to be, you know. Was it about him? No, it was not. It was just a straight up joke. Wow. My best tweet to date.

But yeah, that was a big day for me. I was like, look, I don't mean to be gauche here, but for me. I posted it on Instagram. I was like, look, I don't mean to be gauche here, but this guy. I'm going to go ahead and be tacky. Sorry. Hollywood butcher at it again. Exactly. Look at this guy following me on Twitter.

But he is. I love him on Twitter, though, because he will every now and then, like once every couple weeks, will retweet people like joking about his name. Sure. people like joking about his name sure which is interesting in the generational sort of thing where there's people that are probably five to ten years younger than us who saw the show but it wasn't really for them they were too young for it they just was on their peripheral then they realize that his name was that that his name is writer strong they're like what the hell you know it's like i can't think of what it would what the translation would be for us. But we're like, wait, what? And then they tweet about it. And then he finds it.

Sure. Like Dick Buttkiss. Yeah, Dick Buttkiss. Exactly. Like, what? This guy's name was Dick Buttkiss. That's a name. I can't believe it.

Right. It's also good that he does it maybe once or twice. Yeah. He does it all in bursts. Yeah, he does it in bursts. So you don't get the sense of this guy just sitting there. No. Yeah, he's got other stuff going on.

He's got other stuff. Every now and then you're like, ooh, it's a day where he's doing that again. I love it. I love those days. So have you seen Girl Meets World? Is that something you're excited about? Is that something you feel like you want to dig into? I heard an NPR story about it and it made me very scared for the show. Oh, dear.

What's concerning you? Because the writers, they're all men that wrote Boy meets world and they are working on girl meets world really i'm sure they were probably too old to be writing for kids at boy meets world which is why it's so you know just like get the laundry done oh you didn't do the laundry well well well you know i'm gonna ride my scooter like exactly um, it's all about Someone stole my jacks. My pogs are gone. And somebody drank all my Clearly Canadian.

What else is 90s? Yeah, my New York seltzer. Yes. This Pepsi isn't clear enough. They were like, well, we've, that show was about a boy who was,

you know, kind of dumb because he's a kid and he was learning about life and trying to figure it out. But girls aren't like that. And immediately I was like, wait, what? Oh, girls aren't dumb? Oh, girls are only smart and they can never fail? Yeah, that doesn't sound problematic at all. And then they got a couple female writers in their room and they're very young, the women. and then they got a couple female writers in their room and they're very young the women uh and they were like yeah we like to refer to the writer's room as the writer's womb actually

and i was just like turn it off i'm out of here i can't deal with it i'm never having kids this is the worst but i mean no offense to those they're doing the best but also i was like no thank you this is not a girl meeting any kind of a world that I want to be in. You mentioned feeling a surge of pride when Rider Strong retweeted you. Glenn, do you have

a Twitter accomplishment that you remember? Do you remember thinking like, here it is. This is it. I've got Twitter. If you want to give it a little bit of thought, I have a – I can share a Twitter failure really quick. Please do.

Something that I've been noticing that has been going great for comedians is tweeting nasty things about Lana Del Rey and then getting her fans to be crazy at you. Oh, my goodness. Rob Delaney had one. Yes. Monica Scott had a good one. I think Joe Mandy had a good one. So, and I mean, just general jokes about Lana Del Rey's Lana Del Rey-ness. Not anything mean.

Not like she should die. Lana Del Rey is like if Xanax were a person. Yes, exactly. Yeah, that joke. Yeah, that joke. Yes. That is someone's joke. It's not mine.

I don't remember who it is. Exactly. Nothing nasty. Nobody get mad at me. I didn't take it. Right. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Attribute it to someone yeah a person attributed to twitter yes twitter twitter.com uh lana del rey is like xanax if it's a person so yes stuff like that

and then their fans would just be crazy just crazy and i'm like this i'm like i mean not i it's not like i want to invite trolls into my life. God forbid. I don't need that. I mean I already have a dozen grammar corrections a day, which are lovely. So – but something about it was appealing to me. I just like the idea of a Lana Del Rey fan searching Twitter periodically for Lana Del Rey and being really mean to anyone who was mean to her. I got a Newt Gingrich person once and that was kind of fun. What?

Yeah, yeah. Newt Gingrich is into Lana Del Rey? No, no, no. I didn't joke about Newt Gingrich. I got a few Newt Gingrich fans. Got it, got it. I think it was – They're still kicking around?

Yeah, and they're on Twitter and they're searching periodically for Newt Gingrich to take down anyone. You know when I visualize those people? I visualize one of those fake peanut cans that the snake pops out of. There's no snake in there. There's just a couple marbles. That's who likes Newt Gingrich? That's just them sitting in a keyboard going, rattle, rattle, rattle. We don't understand jokes because our joke is gone.

The snake is the joke. Anyway. Got it. So I tweeted R.E. Lana Del Rey. I'm going to try and get it right because I'm pretty proud of the joke. It's a pretty good joke. It was Lana Del Rey is the soundtrack to my day. I should mention my day consists of taking quaaludes and ambling around throwing glitter in the air.

Pretty good joke. Yeah. Good joke. Solid. Nothing. Nobody got angry about that? No one got angry. It was too real. It was also, it was long. It's a, yeah, it's got subordinate clauses, and those,

they don't do well with subordinate clauses. Yeah, yeah. I should have just wrote Lana Del Rey dumb. Me no like, she smells. Hashtag hate. I've had a weird Twitter success that I can't understand. I've talked about it a little bit, but a few weeks back I tweeted a dumb joke. How to train your dragon.

How to train your dragon too. Your dragon really should be trained by now. Your dragon isn't the problem, dude. Solid B- joke. I better have had worse. Sure. It's good. It stands up. It stands up. As of now, it has been retweeted 4,612

times. Why? Why that? It's so weird, isn't it? It doesn't make any sense to me. Did you get a hearty retweet from someone? There was no one huge thing. It's just a bunch of little –

And it wasn't aggregated onto some site that it said? I don't know how to find one. The DreamWorks site? They were like, hey, check this out. This guy really has got our number. He understands. Zing. No, I don't know.

I don't know. It's just fascinating to me. So now every time it comes up, I resent it because it's like I've done other jokes. Look at this one. Sure. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Sure. Another comic said to me when I had the aforementioned writer strong retweet, because it did really well.

It got like a thousand retweets, not four thousand, but close. He was like, you know, the worst part is you're never going to write a joke that good again. It's like shit. Now, every time on my phone, I'm like, it's never going to be that one. I think you'll do it. I believe in you. I mean, I'm getting there. I'm getting there.

You've got to. I had a good one about correcting grammar on Twitter. That one did pretty okay. There you go. I feel like that's right in your wheelhouse. Sure. Yeah. Okay, next.

You've done, you've blown the lid off gay joke loads. Yes. Successfully explained why people are still talking about Blooming's World. Yes. Your next thing to explain, what the fuck's up with Glenn's How to Train Your Dragon tweet? Yeah. Let's see. We're going to take a break.

Okay. I'll formulate. It can be something you work on gradually throughout the week. Yeah. But just, that's your next assignment. Show my work? Yes, show your work and create a graph. Okay.

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Awesome. On with the program. Sometimes on JJ Go and by sometimes I mean basically every single time. We like to take a dip into our answering machine and see what our fans are doing out there. Have they had a moment of shame? Have they had a momentous occasion? Hopefully. Hopefully these aren't just random calls about what people are doing throughout their day, because that would be a real snooze. Lindsay, can we play the first call?

Hi, JJ Go. It's James here from Melbourne with a momentous occasion. I got married this week. As predicted, I was going to try and call you guys during the ceremony, but we had no signal and I just got back into civilization. My wife did an amazing job. It turned out the wedding was really great. I was carrying my wife across the threshold and heard a scream to turn around

and see my mother fall down a full flight of steps, fractured her wrist, banged up her head and bruised her legs. So I was kneeling down in the rain on cold ground for an hour waiting for an ambulance to come on the night of my wedding. But still, a momentous occasion. It was a good work. All right.

Well, that lovely wedding story ended with an old woman getting hurt. In the rain. In the fucking rain. I got to say, to be fair, the story needed a little punch up. It did. That's true. Congratulations. You got married.

I've been listening to this show for a long time. To meet momentous, I mean, I got married. You get to punch it up. So, yes. So let's hurt some old ladies. Sure. He mentioned how he was on the cold ground. It's not really about you, dude.

Who are you? John Cusack? Come on. Give me a break. The cold ground. Thank you. A fraction of wrist. So, yeah.

Also, a weird detail that I couldn't stop thinking about is he said we just got back into civilization. Where did you get married away from civilization? For the threshold to be not in – wait, what? Yeah, did you – Very confusing. Why is your – also, why is your mother coming into the house with you on your wedding night? Yeah. You're going to fuck in there.

For sure. Yeah. Why is your – don't subject her to that. Yeah. Something – speaking of having someone inappropriate around, I was watching Indiana Jones in the Temple of Doom the other day. You know that scene where he's deciding whether or not to go into her room and they're kind of playing a will they won't lay of who's going to come into the room first and bone down. What's the love interest in Temple of Doom? Kate Capshaw?

Yeah. Sorry. I went real life. Whoopsie. I went fantasy. So he's waiting for her to come into the room to fuck. Short Round is on the couch in the room. Are they going to do it in front of Short Round?

Yeah. That would be gross. And that character is kind of racist. Kind of? It's overtly racist. Overtly. That character. So there's two things wrong with that.

I feel like this guy's got a fucking Indiana Jones short round situation going on where his racist character of a mother is going to have to be there. She's probably an Australian stereotype. Eating Vegemite. Falling down the stairs. Throwing shrimps on Barbies left and there. She's probably an Australian stereotype. Eating Vegemite. Falling down the stairs. Throwing shrimps on Barbies left and right. That's a knife. Yes, and asking people what a knife is.

Fucking knives. How do they work? What is a knife? What is a knife? What is a knife? What is a knife? Maybe they don't hurt me. What is a knife? So, I don't appreciate you. What is a knife?

So I don't appreciate you or your racist mother. No, sir. You guys can go back to the billabong with your kookaburra. Lindsay, can we play the next call? Hey, Jordan, Jesse, and presumably hilarious guests. This is Luke from North Carolina calling in with a moment occasion. I recently started doing door-to-door canvassing for a political action committee, and yesterday as I was entering a fairly large neighborhood, I noticed that one of the mailboxes was being held up by a wooden

statue of Miss Piggy. So I shrugged it off, thought it was hilarious at the time. I texted my friend who lives in the neighborhood to tell her that it was the most insane thing I'd ever seen, and she responded with, yeah, the man carved himself out of a log and dressed it up depending on the season. I didn't believe her because she's known to make up hilarious scenarios like that, but as I was working through the neighborhood, it started to rain pretty hard, and so as I was driving out to finish up for the day, I noticed that she had not lied to me. In fact, the man had dressed Miss Piggie in a raincoat.

So that's my story. Who is he? John Cusack? Yeah, come on! Why is it raining all the time? It's the summer! Why are you people in such rainy climates? Is this a misery sequel? Is this some sort of weird Muppets misery crossover? Speaking of crossovers.

That would be a great crossover. I just imagine Miss Piggy swinging the sledgehammer. Making Fozzie write new jokes. Yes. Dear comic book artists out there who might be listening, please draw Muppets Misery Crossover. And hey, maybe put it on the MaxFun Reddit. There you go. Do you think Reddit would enjoy two pop culture properties colliding?

I don't know. Maybe they would. Wow. Okay. Dressed up. Have you guys seen... You're probably not a local. Rhea, have you seen this Griffith Park bear that

gets dressed up periodically? Oh, I didn't know they dressed up the Griffith Park bear. There's a Griffith Park at the entrance. There is a bear statue given to LA by, I believe, it's Sister City Berlin? Sure. By the way, how does Sister City work? Is it randomly assigned?

I feel like it is totally random. Yeah, it's gotta be. Yeah, I've never been to Berlin. Maybe it's the LA of Germany? I don't know. But yeah, so there's this lovely... I actually like it a lot. It's this very cute bear statue. He's in this kind of

pick-me-up kind of pose. Like a little toddler. Like a little toddler. We all have those days. Even as adults. He's in this kind of pick-me-up kind of pose like he wants his – Like a little toddler. Like a little toddler. Like a little toddler bear. We all have those days. Yeah. Even as adults.

Just wish you could throw those arms up and get picked up. But people will dress up this bear periodically. I don't know if it's a committee that does it. I don't know if it's a transient with access to a costume trunk. But it gets dressed up and it's – you know, St. Patrick's Day, green hat, green vest, beer in hand. Sure. For the Oscars, she gets a gown and a red carpet gets put – rolled up to her base. Wow.

And it is just delightfully shitty. What a bad job they do. They do such a bad job and And the costumes are so gross. And they are so wet with dew. And they just basically evaporate off this bear. Does the Oscars dress have like shoulder pads because it's been used for so long? Yeah, right. Dynasty style.

Yeah, it's a 1992 Oscar. It's just a Paula Poundstone blazer. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, if you get a chance, if you're in the neighborhood and it's a holiday, check out this fucking bear. It's great. Check out this Berlin bear. My mom has a wooden goose that she dresses up seasonally.

She changes it every month. Oh, a goose. Yeah, yeah. Big old wooden goose. And it worries me because it just seems like it's an odd thing to do. But then my friend pointed out to me that you want to start worrying when she stops doing it. Oh, yeah. That's when things are probably – Maybe her and worrying when she stops doing it. Oh, yeah. That's when things are probably – Maybe her and the goose are on the outs.

Taking a turn. So maybe like if she just seems unenthusiastic, maybe you can get the goose some new outfits. Right, right, right. Just, hey, maybe dress it up for some lesser-known holidays, maybe like a Bastille Day. Yeah. She just gives it a sign and says, I'm a bad boy or something like that. She starts shaming the goose. Goose shaming.

If the goose's head is turned into the corner of the porch. Yeah, sure. Sort of a Blair Witch type of situation. Watch out. The goose has been very naughty. What's the goose's – when does it get most festive? Would you say like Christmas? Well, around Thanksgiving, it's a goose that dresses up as

a turkey, so it's sort of like a cross gender species thing. It's working it. He's got turkey realness. It's a bit of a juggalo that's open to a homosexual experience. This goose is open to a turkey experience. That should be the emoji for

open for a little goose dressed up as a turkey. A little tiny goose. Guys, I'm glad we're blowing the lid off the emoji industry of the show today. Well, hey, that's great. Thank you for the calls, people. These were relatively

strong. B minus. Call these calls. B minus. About Glenn's How to Train Your Dragon joke. It's that of calls. It's momentous. I mean, you know. It's a high bar.

Yeah. 206-984-4FUN is the number to call if you've had a momentous occasion, a moment of shame, have a question for us, want to share something generally. Yeah. We'll be back in just a minute on Jordan and Jesse Go. Love you. Love you. Love you. Love you. Love you.

Love you. Love you. Love you. Love you. Love you. Love you. Love you. Love you. jesse goe jordan jesse goe i'm jordan morris boy detective ria butcher lady james dean glenn weldon el calvito uh glenn before we started rolling, you said, who got the sweatiest during this recording? In this hot sauna box right here. And I said, save it for the podcast. So, now we must decide who has gotten the sweatiest. How do

we determine this? Do people, should we just show pits? Do we need to do a turn? I was asking, like, of all time, like, who have you seen in this room just kind of come up with a sheen? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, You wanted some celebrity dirt. I did. Well, I think I can say this because we are friends.

Chris Fairbanks is a sweaty man. Oh, that makes sense. He'll sweat. But the man has an overactive life and I think his glands reflect that. He runs hot. Sure. Sure. He does run hot.

My red line's about to blow. Rhea of the Wham Bam Powers, who gets the sweatiest? I would have to say, out of the three of us, I think it's Ricky. Yeah, Rick, I mean... I don't mean to throw the only man under the bus, but hey, I'm going to do it. Sure. He's, like, much like Chris Fairbanks. I'm going to call male Jezebel on you.

Is there something? Is there male Jezebel? I think male Jezebel is the world. Oh, yeah, you mean Earth! You just want to walk outside and just yell it. You mean humanity. Yeah, sure. Someone will kill me probably. So, you know.

I didn't mean to go so dark. Yeah, well, Ricky has a beautiful afro. Beautiful. I think – but yes, I can see how that is like the – I would say the sail on a Dimetrodon. Yes. It absorbs the heat. I think that's the clearest analogy, isn't it? The sail on a Dimetrodon? Yeah. It absorbs the heat. I think that's the clearest analogy, isn't it? The sail on a Demetrodon?

Yeah. Yeah. It tracks heat. I can see how you would get pretty sweaty. Yeah. And he's, you know, he has a high, he's high octane. Yeah. He's up here.

Glenn, pop culture happy hour, sweatiest? Oh, it's a nice cool room with just a kind of perfume jets. Fuck you. Fuck you in your cool room. Peacocks walk the floor. This is like the Playboy Mansion. Exactly. Sure. And James Codd is there and. This is like the Playboy Mansion. Exactly. Sure.

And James Codd is there and he's drunk. Sometimes they come with cucumber water. Nymphs with cucumber water. You and your fucking facility. You and your facility. It's not sweaty. Seriously, it's not sweaty. No, it dipets well.

All right. Congratulations. Guys, what a fun show it's been. Super fun. Thank you both so much for being here. Ria, of course, you are one of the co-hosts of Wham! Bam! Pal. It's on MaximumFun.org. Indeed.

Anything else? Any stand-ups people can come see if they like to watch a stand-up? You know, every Tuesday night at the UCB at 8 p.m., we've got Put Your Hands Together, which is also a podcast that they can check out. Yeah. Put Your Hands Together is a great stand-up show. Thank you. It's super fun.

And a can't-miss Tuesday night if you are in the L.A. area. Yeah, absolutely. Glenn, you are one of the co-hosts of Pop Culture Happy Hour, one of my personal favorite podcasts. Oh, thanks, man. Cannot miss it. Listen every week without fail. Linda Holmes was on last week. I know.

She was a delight on last week's show. Confidentially, I think you fucking blew her out of the water. That's all I wanted. It's no contest. She was fine. She was fine. She was a delight on last week's show. Confidentially, I think you fucking blew her out of the water. That's all I wanted. It's no contest. She was fine. She was fine. She was fine. You destroyed it.

Pop Culture Happy Hour, that's on iTunes. That's on the NPR Monkey C blog if people would like to listen to it there. Your Batman book is forthcoming. Yep. My Superman book is out. God, I love that Superman book. Oh, thanks, man. And I definitely was a comic book reader who had the popular opinion that Superman's a real snooze.

Yeah. And after reading the book, I definitely saw him in a whole new light. I've been enjoying Superman comics since then and I feel like my life is richer because of it. There you go. Thanks, man. And you guys will be at San Diego Comic-Con. Yeah, we're doing a – People are listening to this before that.

We are. We're doing a panel on Thursday. We're having some kind of get-together for people who don't have badges on Saturday morning. It's a place to be decided. But we'll be putting that out there very soon. And we also just announced a show at the Bell House in Brooklyn in August. So that's going to be awesome. Yeah, yeah.

And definitely the live shows you guys have done have been terrific. I'm sure this one will be no exception. So yeah, Bill House in Brooklyn, San Diego Comic-Con. Lots of stuff. Lots of Weldon out there for people who would like it. Great. That's all. Lindsay Pavlis on the boards today doing a fantastic job reminding me what URLs are which.

Brian Fernandez editing the program from his temporary job in England. Next week on the program or in the feed, I guess I should say, we're going to be playing a live show we did from the downtown independent here in L.A. with my brother, my brother and me. We're going to be airing our segment. So, Bim Bam will not be a part of it. Maybe you can hear Travis in the background. But that's about it but it's a very fun one so I'm

really excited to put that out there for you guys to hear it Janet Varney will be our guest and then after that

Jesse will be here and all will be as it usually is that's all our music love you by the free design

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