Jordan, Jesse, GO! - Good Knievel, with Dave Hill and Rob Kutner

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

On this week’s episode, we welcome back writers Dave Hill and Rob Kutner to chat about their podcast, The Novelizers, plus black metal, blade humor, and so much more!Listen to The Novelizers!Read Dave Hill’s Dark Regards.Read Rob Kutner’s The Jews: 5,000 Years and CountingJordan’s new Spider-Man’s comic is out now!Order Jordan’s new Godzilla comic! Be sure to get our new ‘Ack Tuah’ shirt in the Max Fun store.Or, grab an ‘Ack Tuah’ mug!The Maximum Fun Bookshop!Follow the podcast on Instagram and send us your dank memes!Check out Jesse’s thrifted clothing store, Put This On.Check out Producer Steven and Margaret Cho’s chat on See Jurassic Right about the “Movies That Made Us Queer.”Follow brand new producer, Steven Ray Morris, on Instagram.Listen to See Jurassic Right!

Give a little time for the child within you, don't be afraid to be young and free. Undo the locks and throw away the keys and take off your shoes and socks and run you. It's Jordan Jesse Goh, I am Jesse Thorne, America's radio sweetheart. Jordan Morris, boy detective. Jordan, I went to San Francisco this week and I had a great time. Tell me all about it. I went to a San Francisco SketchFest event I hosted with Kruggenkijp, the play-by-play television announcers of the San Francisco Giants.

This is huge. This is like a huge thing for you, Jesse Thorne. These are guys you've grown up with, right? Yeah. It was a total dream. It was a great time. You know, spent the day there in San Francisco, spent the night in a hundred dollar hotel. Jesse, I'm actually, I'm, this is funny, weird ships in the night.

I'm actually in Oakland right now in a hundred dollar hotel. Yeah. I love to- Beautiful Hampton Inn in Oakland. Nothing I love more than hot wiring a three star hotel. And the next day went to the San Francisco MoMA Museum of Modern Art with my mother. And a couple more questions about your hundred dollar hotel. Yeah, sure. Free hot breakfast.

There was a free hot breakfast. I looked at it and chose to purchase a breakfast fell asleep. OK. There was it was not a hot breakfast, I guess. I guess it was a cold breakfast. I looked at it and chose to purchase a breakfast fell asleep. Okay. It was not a hot breakfast, I guess. I guess it was a cold breakfast. There was bagels, there was some muffins, coffee out of a machine. It was one of these kind of hotels that you would, it was not like a Hampton Inn type breakfast, type hotel. It was the kind of hotel that a confused Italian person is staying at. Like they've been tricked into staying at this hotel. Where can I park my gondola, they ask. It's like it's clean. Like it was clean. It wasn't like really clean. But like a lot of layers of paint on the wall.

You know what I mean? This kind of hotel. Yeah, it was fine. It was totally fine. My Hampton Inn has a waffle bar. Go ahead. Yeah. No, the Hampton Inn. I wish I had been in a Hampton Inn. If I had been in a Hampton Inn, I would have been living it the fuck up, Jordan. No hot tub in this hotel, a genuinely terrifying set of stairs. I mean, a set of stairs so steep and narrow and handholdless that you're surprised there's not a pile of dead Italian people at the bottom. Well, they're so confused. They're so famously confused. This Italian guy was in the lobby and I saw that he had spilled his coffee everywhere. Now luckily only hard surfaces in this hotel.

So you don't have to worry about the clean up is very possible. The man at the counter was studiously ignoring the Italian man while the Italian man tried to clean it up with cocktail napkins all over the floor and at one point the man who had spilled the coffee said, mama mia. Really? He really said that? I wasn't going to bring it up? But it really happened. It's just me reporting a thing that actually happened while I was in this hotel. And then after he got done, he even corralled all his kids and said, let's go. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so anyway, I had a lovely time in the great city of San Francisco.

I ate a giant fucking super burrito. It was great. It was a great time. Then, I was on my airplane from SFO to Burbank. The king of flights. The greatest of all flights. It's no Oakland to Burbank, but... Okay. Well, fair enough.

Oakland, the art doesn't have as nice of art museums as SFO has. Okay. SFO has a lot of nice little mini art museums. Anyway, I had viewed some a very lovely Barry McGee painting and then I got on my King of Flights from SFO to Burbank. And there was a man in the row in front of me and I swear to God, Jordan, five times I looked at this man's book over his shoulder from behind him to make sure I wasn't fucking mental. Because this guy looked like, I guess like low rent tech bro is how I would...

Okay. Like maybe like a guy who's uh, has an administrative job of some kind in a tech company. Okay. Like a, like a, he didn't look rich. This isn't a founder we're talking about. No, but bro-y. I mean I was in a, I was in a fucking, I didn't even have a seat assignment in my seat, Jordan. That's the part of the plane I was sitting on.

Mm-hmm. And, but he looked, he looked of the plane I was sitting on. And but he looked a little bro-y. Okay, so like vest, you know, fleece vest. Yeah, he was wearing a vest. Yeah, he was wearing a vest. Anyway, he's reading on the plane, which is nice. Great thing to do. Yeah. The book he was reading. Reading is caring, that's what I say. Yeah. The book he was reading was called The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty. Okay. So, then I thought to myself, Jesse, you're misreading this situation. This is a literary

novel. This is like a Colson Whitehead book you haven't heard about yet. Like a postmodern, sure, yeah. Exactly. Dom Delillo's got a new one. Yeah, like a retelling of a story using subversions of fairy tale tropes or something. Yeah. You're probably subverting some tropes with this. And I'm looking, I mean, I can only, I can just barely see it between the head

rests, you know what I mean? I'm looking diagonally between the head rests and I'm like, I gotta be getting there because this is a dude, he's a dudey dude, you know, a bro-y dude sitting there. I'm looking through these head rests thinking this has gotta be, you know, the latest Sherman Alexi. And then I see the phrase, throbbing sex, her throbbing sex. Wow. And I'm like, what is this dude reading a porno book on an airplane all about? What is his deal? What is his story? His hour-long flight. Just want to get nice and horned up on that hour-long flight. I don't know.

Yeah. And it was some kind of, you think it was some sort of like fairy tale porno, right? Like... Yeah. No, there was, I read a little bit of it. I took the opportunity to do some reading while I was sitting there. Again, it became in fits and starts because I was looking between two seat headrests. But yeah, it seemed to have a prince and a king and a woman whose sex was throbbing. A thought that did occur to me as I was reading it is outside of the context of horny novels, has anyone ever referred to a lady's private parts as her sex? Yeah. I want to stick it in your sex. Jordan, over the years, you've had a lot more girlfriends than I have had because I've,

of course, been with my wife forever. My wife has never said, my sex is throbbing. Fill up my sex with your sex. Have you ever had that experience with someone where they ask you to fill their sex or say their sex is throbbing, dripping, something like that? I'm just on the Goodreads page for the claiming of Sleeping Beauty. I think this is a, this is, it looks like a novel that Anne Rice wrote under a pseudonym. What?

Yeah, I guess so. This says A.N. Rolarche, but as Anne Rice. So, I guess this is like Anne Rice when she doesn't want to do vampires When she wants to do something else She writes under this name. I don't know again. I could be getting this wrong and maybe there's some there's fairy tale Erotica fans screaming at their phones right now because I'm getting this wrong. But anyway, wow. Yeah People enjoy smut these days Jesse smuts. Let's have in a moment right there on the fucking airplane Jordan. Are you what would you you ever? Watching a movie or a TV show on the airplane and then there's a part where some naked people are fucking and you're like, oh I'm sure I'm sure it's happened to me before I can't think of anything but

Yeah, I think you know, we all will watch I think there's some times when I've been watching a Game of Thrones or similar on a plane. I don't know what to do in that situation is why I mention it. It's come up for me before. I just have, I just everything, every time I'm watching something on a plane, I just have a window open behind it with Shrek. And then I can just click that off real quick.

Just go real quick to Shrek. Yeah, that episode of The Sopranos or whatever goes south. You just click over to Shrek. And then my erection becomes very confusing for the people next to me. I just tear my headphones off, you know, like, and then I just scream. I enjoy the American cinema of the 1970s. Because usually I'm watching like Mikey and Nicky or something. Yeah. And like, oh, this guy's just a cinephile. He's not a pervo. Yeah. Elaine May directed this film. I scream. Sure. Yeah.

It's new to it's using the female gaze. Just yell the female gaze. Yeah, just yell that gaze Anyway our guests on the program by the way Speaking of speaking of novels. Does that seem like a good enough connection? It's a it's an amazing connection They are the host and the creator of the podcast the novelizers on which you and I have both appeared in various forms novelizers on which you and I have both appeared in various forms. They are the author of, in Rob Kutner's case, the new book, The Jews, Five Thousand Years and Counting, and in Dave Hill's case, the author of the new comic, Dark Regards, number one, the true story of the viral hoax so insane it could only be told as a comic book. Rob Kuttner, Dave Hill. Hi guys, how are you?

Great to be here guys. Oh, hello. Hello, I agree. Enjoy to have you here. Thanks for having me. Have you guys ever found yourself accidentally viewing adult material in a public place such as an airplane? We know, deliberately.

Deliberately? That's how I get the aisle seat to myself, you know, the whole- Oh, sure. To get it out. Otherwise, you'd have to share the aisle seat. No, no, no. Dave, what kind of material are you watching on an airplane? You know, I usually-

I don't- that's why I asked, Dave. You know, I usually- I struggle to find something I want to watch. I know this is not a good answer but I usually am so disappointed by this selection. I usually read because I find the movie selection on most airlines horrible. And what sort of erotica do you usually choose? Is it fairy tale or more grounded? Old issues of gent. Gents. I know that that's a great poll. I don't know what gent is.

Gents is- Just the title alone, right? It's from... I think it's actually like gent. There jugs home of the D cups of course and I believe they were all titles edited at one point by Diane Hansen which gives them the sophistication that I crave. They do have a house style that's true. Yeah. Diane Hansen is the that's the woman that lived with the chimpanzees

You're so close Diane Sawyer. Okay. Thank you Rob. Diane Hansen. She I believe she edited I Don't know. She's like it has some sort of the the rare art world porn crossover like it has some sort of the rare art world porn crossover. As an editor. I'm looking at the Gent Magazine Wikipedia. It's from the same publishing group as Swank, Vele, V-E-L-E-T, and- Like show? Genesis.

Okay. Genesis. Wow. What was Genesis about? Very confusing for me as a young fan of Sega video games. And for me as a reader of the Bible. Yes. Or Enjoyer of Prague Rock. Titles only available in discerning bus stations. I like the one word title aspect too, like, you know, elite institution.

I've never, I am of the age that I have never purchased. I have never purchased physical pornography in my life. I, I, I, I have once as I was in a band and we decided to buy an issue of Penn House once before practice I don't know. I'm not sure what's bullshit alibi. I've ever heard tape. No, I'm serious. I never thought this would happen to me We need this for a bad practice We were so taken by it Yeah, I don't know what we did. Did you all go into the liquor store together?

I know, I think it was, we used to practice like on Friday nights and I think a couple of us went into a store to get beer for everyone and thought, Hey, let's get this too. That'll, that'll cause some excitement. Sure. We would practice Friday nights and then jack off. First thing Saturday morning. These are some of the original lyrics to summer of 69 actually. Right. Jordan, have you ever bought physical pornography before? Not bought. My dad was a Playboy subscriber so I saw Playboys as a kid. Oh wow. And you know, you come for the topless woman on an ATV, you stay for the

short fiction from Norman Mailer Cheever yeah Cheever and a little beaver Absolutely, that's a that's a fun day at the magazine uh-huh You know in movie reviews and such Yeah, and then I think I can remember like I can remember one time Like in a in a in a time, you know, like the internet was here, but not reliable enough I went into I did go to to a video store that had a like, you know curtain and You know behind the curtain was the adult fair. Yeah

So anyway, so yeah, I this this might be a this might be a Jordan Jesse go five timer club anecdote here, but I'll tell it and try and put a little mustard on it so yeah, I you know went to this went behind the curtain and found a summer camp themed Portographic DVD to rent. That might be kind of fun and campy, maybe a little bit of an 80s throwback.

Campy in that it's over the top and about camp. Yeah, sure. And then so I'm gonna rent this thing and I'm like, God, I don't wanna just bring this up to the counter and rent this one thing I should just get a movie, you know, like seem I don't want it I don't want this video store clerk to think that I'm like just some You know some lech that only cares about you know jugs or whatever. So you want about you're a civil cineast

Yes, exactly. I'm a guy with with with many interests. And so I rented this camp themed pornography and Errol Boris is the fog of war So they knew you were a sophisticated exactly that was your version of Dave's band by it with the band like you you know My right. Yeah Did you sort out the fog of war with your post-nut clarity yes yeah i like i like the part of version the fog of horror i thought that was a good alternative yeah sure sure sure yeah my poor wife when we were teenagers my poor, when we were teenagers, worked at a video store in Sausalito, California, I think.

And she would often, like, we were teens, like, I'm talking about when we were like 17, 16, 17, she would have to deal with people's pornography that they had returned. It was still VHS times. This was in 2012 when Jordan rented his DVD. This was the late 1990s. And she had to rewind soiled pornography. Kindness, in fact. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to tell me that, but I'm sure you're gonna be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to tell me that, but I'm sure you're gonna be able to tell me that.

I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to tell me that.

I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to tell me that. I'm not's in. It's called the adult shoot, Jesse. They're supposed to have one. The bear is labeled childhood, protects childhood. Exactly. My dad, Jordan was not a Playboy subscriber, but my dad had like a, you know that kind of like Life magazine celebrating the life of Diana, Princess Diana that you

buy at the grocery store? He cranked it to that? No, no. She was the people's princess. He had a Playboy equivalent of that, that he would like keep on his bedside table or something, you know, like a little bookshelf next to his bed. Like the kind of thing that you buy, that you would buy at a grocery store for eight dollars. No, they were nude. What grocery store do you go to?

Yeah. So I guess you, but I mean the physical object, like the object was like above a magazine, but below a book. Does that make sense? Yeah. A novella. A novella. Yeah, exactly. And this was definitely, this was before reliable internet pornography.

This was full dial-up. So you know, this, it took like an hour just to download an R rated picture of Cathy Ireland, right? Oh, wow. Yeah. So easy on the eyes. Exactly. And on the home goods, thanks to her Cathy Ireland brand that came out anyway. So I had seen that, right? Like I had seen Marilyn Monroe's famous nude. Like it was like, it was things like Marilyn Monroe's famous nude picture. It was like famous nude pictures from...

Kind of like a best of or a historical look back at the Playboy archives. Exactly. And you know, that was plenty for me as a 16 year old or 15 year old or whatever. And then one day, I don't remember, I mean, people were out. I was the only one at the house I know. And then just accidentally, only one at the house, I know. And then just accidentally, not even looking for it, I accidentally found a copy of Big Butz magazine. I'm like... You're like, I was just looking for dad's gun. level up between the fucking Playboy centerfolds and like

low rent high specificity fucking porno mag No, but was it like famous people also like iconic people, you know, was it like, you know, Bella? Yeah, it was it was like it like it broke me for two years thereafter Because it was also that it belonged to my dad. Sure. Like the Playboys felt like I was getting away with something and it was great that I got to see Marilyn Monroe's boobs, you know what I mean? How did he have it out? I don't know. I don't

remember. It was like on the floor next to the bed and I like went in to get something or something I don't some some shit like that like it wasn't I Didn't wasn't like going through anything, but it wasn't like it was like on the coffee table. Like it wasn't my dad being a creep But my dad maybe be having ADHD And a certain amount of the fog of war ADHD and a certain amount of the fog of war as a veteran. My dad had a stash kept in a secret place and I would go in there like a Jack Russell terrier like looking for his hidden stash and then I'd find it, maybe borrow something

and then it would be removed discreetly from my room like it was like this cold war operation between like this America there's no one talking about it, but just like this back and forth to submarines like No one acknowledging what's taking place Is that I wonder is that like the most healthy way at that or? Or is that it's not the most the most healthy way at that or is that damaging? It's not the most unhealthy. Yeah, I mean, I think there's a certain like, you know. It's a bit of a detour.

Sure, my son is no learning. You know, he had the talk with me at an appropriate age, so it wasn't like a complete, you know. Did you get like vassal states involved? Like was North Korea in talks with Liberia, you were passing messages between you. Yes, we had intermediaries, that's right. David, what was going on in your house? In my house with regard, I truly, and maybe I'm being willfully naive, but I really, my parents were so Catholic. My dad

is still alive, but I don't think he's as Catholic as he was now. But I just, I really don't think he had anything like that in the house and though I would occasionally find a magazine like in the woods or whatever or behind like you know that's where you don't always find it in some like wooded area and I once I took a centerfold and I folded it up and hid it like in my bed frame to just take unfold. I folded it like so, so it's like the size of, you know, like an inch square, whatever, and folded it and like put it in my bed frame to take it out when no one was around to look at it and then James Bond libel stuff oh I was so terrified of being found out that I would move it like I was like my brother's gonna find

it and tell on me at one point I put it this is the best spot I found for it I had the evil Knievel he had like a like an RV that you could buy and to drag around his you know he would drive it around and when he wasn't riding like an evil Knievel action figure yeah I had the motorcycle but then you could also get like this RV that you know like Michael said he would be transporting the Motorcycle goes on road trips with his family. Yeah, why keep it down I Hit the this centerfold in there for a while because I was like no one will ever find it in evil Knievel's

RV Dave you should have hit it in good Knievel's RV. Dave, you should have hit it in good Knievel's RV. That's for sure. Whoa. Oh man. I expected it. Yeah. I bet evil Knievel had so much pornography. Oh my God.

Oh yeah. Can you imagine how many- By all accounts. How many Jack mags that guy had? He jumped over a pile of them once, famously. He's cleared the jug of them once, famously. He's cleared the jugs! You know, but those center folds, I mean as a bad magazine reader, I was always trying to fold them up to look for funny pictures.

Oh, yeah, Al Jaffe. Oh, that's the other thing I would do. Are the big size? I don't know. I would walk to the uh, the Revco, which was the predecessor of cvs and I would there'd be national lampoon and occasionally there would be a topless woman and I would go there just looking hoping that that month's issue had a topless lady and if there was I would go had a topless lady and if there was I would go like at least once a week and go look at her and put it back and it was uh it was I don't think I've really I find that I found that I think that was more exciting to me than than you know today when you can access whatever you want. Yeah there was the like there was the like, there was the like,

you know, non-pornographic magazine that would have something salacious. And I found that the best, that you could just buy, you know, that if you were 12, you could go buy, you know, you could go buy, yeah, that occasional issue of National Lampoon. There was some surfing magazines that would occasionally have like, you know,

women in bathing suits. But I found that the best source of this was Lowrider magazine. I was gonna say I heard it right. I think my parents thought I was genuinely into Lowriders for a minute just because I had a little stack of Lowrider magazines. Oh yeah, I was gonna say Outlaw Biker. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure.

You also had those gold hoop earrings with your name written in them in the script. Right, yeah. You're outlining your lips with brown lip liner. I found what was going on in your parents' bookshelves. Like I feel like there is this classic thing of like your parents have the joy of a copy of the joy of sex. My parents didn't have that. I think my dad had Henry Miller books, for sure. And would like, I remember one time him telling me they were really good and being made uncomfortable by that. Were there any things like that on any, I mean, Dave, we already covered your father

is the American Pope. And basically. But did either of your dads have anything or parents have anything like that on the bookshelves? A copy of a Kama Sutra or something? My parents had, my dad had spy novels. My mom had books about, any book that was written about Jews suffering at some point during history.

So it was a lot of, a lot of books. So. Congratulations by the way on your new book, Rob. That was a segue. Yeah, that was a total plant. Rob's new book is called Genesis. After the same people brought you swank and jugs and... Sure. No Sonic the Hedgehog cheat codes in it, by the way. You just let you know. My friend Jody Scott had a Sports Illustrated subscription and got the swimsuit issue with

it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. To say nothing of the football phone. Sure. But he would get the swimsuit issue and like his parents were fine with it. Like they were comfortable, we were 10, 11, 12 in there, 13 maybe. They were comfortable with him having the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue. But I was not comfortable with it as a group activity. Sure. Oh, yeah.

You know, like you hear about the Beatles jacking off together in Germany or whatever and you're like, oh, really? That's how I felt about- Wait, the Beatles jerked off together. I thought it was just just just Leonard McCartney was all four of them. And I think it was I think it was four of them pre I think it was all four of them, but it was. No, but only Pete Best didn't get to come. Yeah, that was the saddest part.

Yeah, I think there was a there was like a week in 2015 or whatever where that came out in an interview and it was like that was every joke for a week. Come together was the joke that came out. Oh, this does sound familiar. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Abbey Lode, you know, we can do these for names. Were you on Admin Night at that point? Because it sounds like... Yes, yeah. I was working on at midnight. So, yeah, I did, I had to come up with 40 Beatles jack-off puns that hadn't already been done by Rod Delaney and Shulty Farrow. Jordan just pulled the entire drawer out of a giant filing cabinet and his fingers are doing the

walking now back to into his files to the section marked Beatles jacking off feels masturbating got all two of them now the the like the long sheet of paper with all of the jokes is unfurling from the file etc right do you guys want to hear some damn Daniel stuff I got some great damn Daniel stuff that's still really fresh Jordan tell me about some of your favorite Vine related puns. Well, you guys, of course, know back at it again at Krispy Kreme. Well, what if? That's the only thing I remember from the Vine era is back at it again at Krispy Kreme. It was great. A guy doing a backflip hits the side.

He does a backflip, hits the side and that's it. Dave, what was on your parents' bookshelves? I mean, my dad would read, I remember there was some Dostoevsky, which is the prime jerk in it material. My mom would have like all like Catholic books. material. My mom would have like all like Catholic books. It was very boring. What do Catholic books mean? Just you know, like books on you know, being close to the Lord and stuff and living the gospel, stuff like that. You might be a Catholic when? Exactly, nothing fun. There was other books, but I don't know. You might be a Catholic if you think that really is the body of Christ. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

No, yeah, Sue, almost every book my mother ever gave me was... had something to do with Catholicism. Really? Yeah, completely. Did you go to church as a kid? Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. What about as an adult? I actually did go just cause it was, I was so,

I just liked it as like kind of getting off the Ferris wheel of life for an hour, but I stopped, you know, even this is even after I recognized all the horrors of the church, but I stopped sort of like, I guess, 25 years ago or something. Were your traditionally Catholic parents upset that you took an interest in rock music? Oh, yeah. I mean, I think they thought when I started playing electric guitar that it would be like the path to drugs for sure. And they were, I mean, they were definitely like not into, they viewed all creative pursuits as a hobby. Like, like, like, I mean, like, literally, just my therapy is based on, like, how much

my family did not want me to become who I've become. Like, I was literally- Don't you dare write the theme song to John Oliver's show. Yeah, like- I'll show you. Literally, all of it, I was not, I was, like, I was, my mom would always just be like, can't you, you know, uh, even in the last few months of her life, she, I had written like a few articles for the New York times, which was like one of the few things she could relate to that

I had done. And she was like, can't you just call them and ask them to give you like a full time job where you show up there every day? Like this was in, you know, shortly before she died. So definitely. And by then, you know, I had been, you know, making, you know, full-time living, being Dave Hill. Did she know? Dave, did she know about... Because like, granted, you had a career in the field of power pop. You had a career in the field of fun rocking at one point.

Yeah, but she had no even that she you know when I was in my 20s like like early 20s my band at the time signed like a you know major label record deal and like she's even viewed that as like She was like I don't know what the big deal is like we had an album come out She was like this woman at work said her son. It's a literal big deal. Mom, it's a deal. She did not. It's literal.

She did not that like she, I remember she said like, oh, someone, this woman at work said her son made a CD because by then anyone, you know, anyone could make a CD. Yeah, so she viewed that as exactly equal to what me and my friends had done with our band. And then we were on John Stewart before he was the host of The Daily Show, had a show, The John Stewart Show on Fox. No, after the MTV show. He had a late night talk show and we were on that with Sam Elliott and the cast of Stomp.

And so, in one- As you were a group package at the time, you were only doing appearances together. Exactly. You can watch this actually on, it's on YouTube. My band Sons of Elvis, the name you know, we came up with when we were like 18. And I remember like we, you know, came to New York and they put us up in a hotel and we were like, this is it. Like we're, this is we're the next Led Zeppelin, you know. And I called my parents and I was like, did you, did you watch it? Like, did you tell the neighbors and stuff? And they said, yeah, we watched it, but we didn't tell anyone about it because we thought it was, it would be rude to ask them to stay up until, until 11 30.

So, so we didn't mention it to anyone. We told them to, they, they can go to bed after stomp. Yeah, they just never... My dad now kind of has like an interest in things that I do, but my mom was always just like, why don't you get a job literally doing anything like that I understand. Your comic is based on your now long-standing 20-year-ish association with the world of of black metal. Yes. Which is not that. Pro Catholic. No, I mean, I think that was part of my interest in it, because it was fully blatantly satanic.

And for me, that was. I mean, like as a kid, like I mean, I've always been like into all kinds of music, but, because as a kid, like, I mean, I've always been like into all kinds of music, but you know, into metal also. But even as like a kid, like in grade school, when you go to the record store and see like Venom records, like with the Baphomet and like called Welcome to Hell and there's upside down crosses, like, I was like afraid to even touch those records as a kid. And then now, so I think as an adult getting into that and I just thought it was really funny that world.

One of my favorite things and the funniest thing to me is when people take stuff really seriously. me is when people take stuff really seriously, which like so Norwegian Black Metal, they took it so seriously. So I was like, this is amazing. So I got really into it and started just for my own entertainment because this was literally 20 years ago. And they've like Black Metal, I feel like it's for a long time now been in the, you know, people know about and it's been in pop culture and all that

And there's memes and all endless things, but at the time it really wasn't like that So it was just I truly did it just for my own Entertainment there was a website that had these email addresses for black metal bands and I won Like at night, I would just write and be like hey black metal bands and I won like at night I would just write and be like hey you know so-and-so you know the one that really like kind of took off was I emailed what I thought was this band Mysticum in Oslo this band from Oslo and it turned out to be their record label but I was like hey Mysticum is there another band called Mysticum? Because I heard you guys are really evil and extreme, but then I got your album and it

was just pussy music instead. You know, I'm like, let me know. You can read the original email exchange that Darker Guard's is based on at the blackmetaldialogues.com. They're up there. So I did this for like six months. This guy kept writing back and like I was just, I was like, you know, I'd said my name was Lance. I live with my mom in Indiana. I was a teenager and I had this band called Witchtaint, you know, where the most evil and extreme band in the entire greater Gary, Indiana area. And like it went and then he was like, well, let's hear it.

So then I had to go record a demo with my friend of the, we made like this demo in like 20 minutes. And yeah, so that's kind of the jumping off point for the comic is this thing that I truly just did to entertain myself. I never intended for anyone to see the emails but then I started showing like a couple friends who were into black metal and then they started sharing them with people and then a friend of a friend wanted to build a website once they had kind of run their course and then that was on the popular extreme metal website Gawker shortly

after they came out and then that kind of when made it go everywhere which is how Malcolm Gladwell found out about it and so he was like kind of an early witch taint fan of the of the emails and stuff and and then he had me on this broken record podcast to talk about it like a few years ago which is also part of I was thinking about this today on my daily bike ride I believe it's the only comic book that combines Norwegian black metal, real conversations with Malcolm Gladwell, and the movie Grey Gardens. No.

Dave Cooley, you've never read Fun Hall. Yeah, we read artistic comic books here, Dave. You can't put this one past us. Rob, is there something that your parents are the most proud of in your career? Oh that's nice. Or did you ever like see them jack off or whatever? If that was in play yeah I've seen my parents jack off. My parents have been extremely supportive to the point where like, I don't think they even understood what I was doing, but they just supported it.

Like almost blindly to the point where like back when I was on the Twitter, I would just put these tweets up sometimes. You guys know what my humor is like, some pretty deep cuts, right? Like archeological deep cuts, right? I put some jokes up there. Just on Twitter, sometimes you find a niche audience, right? This like, archaeological deep cuts, right? I put some jokes up there. Just, just on Twitter, sometimes you find a niche audience, right? And just my mom likes them. I'm like, no, no, you don't. No, don't. Just don't, don't, don't be that supportive. Like that's just, that's just like,

that just casts a shadow on the absence of other people, like, liking this. Wonderful tweeting, honey. We love you very much. See you at Thanksgiving. See you at the... Yeah, well, my dad understood, I would say, a significant portion of our humor. I would say 60 plus percent. I would put my mom at 15 or 20 percent, but like at the point that she's at in her life, she's 80 ish, she's just like become unconditionally supportive.

Like she'll also say something awful about it accidentally. Like don't get me wrong, like in the conversation about how unconditionally supportive she is, she will say something about it being horrible, but it's just because she's like musing. You know what I mean? Like she's just letting her mind expand. But like she will, she'll come to everything

and come backstage and tell me how great it is and give John Hodgman or Jordan a big hug. That's lovely. Oh, that's amazing. Yeah, it's really a great... I mean, she was never like against any of it to be clear, but it's so confusing to her. Like it's so outside of her experience that is exclusively about, I don't know, reading Derrida or something like that.

And also, like, certain narrative radio shows of the late 1940s and early 1950s, she sort of understands those. She's a real difficult to pin down frame of cultural reference. Jordan, does your mom ever enjoy what we do? Um, I, yeah, I don't know. Well, we, I also have a a nice my mom is also very nice and supportive But yeah, I think you know like some of the stuff is like what is this? What are you doing? but yeah, I think I think I You know, I really I think I really made her proud the day that I that I wrote an Archie I think that was a big moment for her. I think oh, yeah big moment for me, but I I it it

How excited it made my mom was like really, really heartwarming. That's awesome. Yeah, it was a real nice moment. Yeah, I don't know exactly how she feels about the fact that it's like one of the horror ones where they all get their heads chopped off, but I think the fact that it was, you know, I showed her the little, like they sent me a little stationary to you know, do my start paperwork on. I think that was very cool. So yeah, that was really nice. I think that, you know, my, yeah, my mom for the most part, very lovely and supportive all the time.

But yeah, like having something that like, she got how it was was really was really really neat. Rob, how does your family feel about you chronicling the history of the Jewish people in the form of Rob-style humor? Well, someone's got to do it, right? Yeah, that's true. I mean, there's a few there's a few Robs out there that could have handled it, but you're probably one of the best Robs.'s yeah my son's been pitching me sequels I should do like five thousand one years and counting and then there's like other other people's heavily in the years and just it's just doing that count for everybody the new Jews yeah exclamation mark italicized just pitching ideas. You would improve. You would improve. Let's take a break.

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Sweet. I think I, during the break, I was kind of kicking myself for not speaking up earlier, so can I speak up now? Yeah. Oh yeah. Dave, I think when you were talking about the fact that, you know, like, you know that you didn't feel like your mom was proud of you or recognized how cool all the stuff you've done is. No, they're not.

I just want to say I'm really proud of you. Oh, thank you, Jordan. I could have used you in those formative... It continues, my dad is into like stuff now on some level, but he'll still say things like someone will ask him about something about that I did or whatever and he'll say, not joking in any way, he'll say, I'm told he's very funny. Comics comic. Yeah, I don't think he finds me particularly funny. He's a rising wonder watch.

Yeah. Vulture.com seems interested in his comings and goings. I mean, Dave- I'm 60 and there's 60. To be fair, I think that even in the world of entertainment and even in the sub world of humor, your career would be among the most difficult to explain succinctly to a parent or grandparent. Probably. Like they couldn't just be like, he's a standup, you saw him on Letterman. No, yeah, it's complicated.

And now in my dad, 92, impossible. I've been touring with Bill Murray lately. Bill Murray and his Blood Brothers, a band that he has, some great musicians. And I've been opening and then I play with them. And then my dad, when my sister told him about it, a half hour conversation, repeat, kept now, he's like, now what are you doing with Bill Maher? I can't under... What are you... He, he... So you got a job with Bill Maher? And the call ended with him not understanding that it was Bill Murray.

They're just doing Muslim jokes now? Yeah, truly no under... I just gave up trying to explain to him. I could see it being like, Dave's touring with Bill Murray, so he's a Ghostbuster now? But he'll- he's weirdly like- and so he'll say things like that, like, and there's no explaining to him what's really happening. And then he'll, like in the past year, I was having lunch with him and he's genuinely really into Led Zeppelin. Like that's how I got into Led Zeppelin. I was like a little kid. And he's like, you know, I went on YouTube the other day looking for like I just wanted to see every version of stairway to heaven like every cover that anyone's ever done and I you know, I really like when there's really heavy versions and

I think the Foo Fighters do the heaviest version That I've ever heard and I was like dad the Foo Fighters didn't do stairway to heaven. He's like, they did. Yeah. And it's really heavy because they have the three guitar players. And I was like, wait a minute. First of all, I was like, how does he even know the Foo Fighters? And then because he's doesn't, you know, it's not really like keeping up with rock music the last 30 years or anything. He probably knows them more for their barbecue. Sure, of course. And then he... Do the Foo Fighters have like a Vanity barbecue restaurant? I believe that Dave Grohl is on numerous occasions fed barbecue. But I still didn't believe him. We're at this diner and

we went to the bathroom or I went to the bathroom I looked on my I looked on YouTube and there it was Foo Fighters doing Stairway to Heaven. How heavy? It was pretty heavy. Okay. Pretty heavy. I'd like to hear that. Dave, before you got involved in sending black metal emails.

Sure. Involved in sending black metal emails sure Could you already? play Guitar that fast which which came first Yeah, I could I mean I cuz I did that it was only 20 years ago so I was though I would say The weird thing is I've gotten better at guitar in recent years because for two reasons. One I find like performing and writing is like you're so far up your up your own button in your head that I found like practicing the guitar as a physical thing like feels like a grounded

quantifiable activity. Whereas like you know, when you write a joke or you write a book or whatever, you're like, you know, depending on your mood, you're like, oh, that's really good or you go, I don't know, this is terrible. But then if you practice something, you go, oh, playing that better than I did last week. And then once I started incorporating the guitar playing into the comedy, I realized that the complicated stuff was funnier because people were like, what? Like, it just was...

So I kind of learned, I just got better because it was made the show funnier. So it's a weird reason to practice. But yeah, to answer your question, yeah, I could play not as well as I can now, but I could play pretty well. You convinced me, when we do this podcast, I'm going to start playing stand-up bass. Oh, it's like, yeah, I would love it. But you're gonna have to learn to play fast Jordan or else. It's not funny Yeah, okay learn how to play stand-up bass really fast. All right fine It's gonna be fast Jesse

A busking hat in front of him You're gonna need one of those busking hats to us. Yeah, and I will be podcasting from a subway station city walk perfect When something will mantis happens to you like you learn to play that upright bass really fast Give us a call at two zero six nine eight four four fun Or just record a voice memo and email it to us at JJ go at maximum fun org an example of someone who's done that If the example would be helpful to you is this person? Hi, this is Felipe from the Mexican state of Queretaro with a momentous occasion An example of someone who's done that, if the example would be helpful to you, is this person. Hi, this is Felipe from the Mexican state of Querétaro with Momentous Occasion.

I just heard an episode that is about one month old because I'm a little behind on my listening and I heard Osvaldo from the state of Mexico call with his own Momentous Occasion of the A&L Explorer and I just had to stop my car I'm driving right now because I had never heard that there was another Mexican listening to Jordan Jesse Goh. I hope we can go to a convention together. If Osvaldo, if you're listening, que chingon carnal, que bueno que escuches and I love you guys. Thanks so much. Love you too. We're gonna need, where's where's Mishra Khan? Hit us hit us up. Chihuahua, give us a call. Quintana Roo, hit us up. 206-9844-FUN. JJGo at MaximumFun.org. Oaxaca, fill up those phone lines. Chiapas, let's hear it. Let's go.

I don't know if I can name any more Mexican states right now, but I think I did pretty good considering Baja California. Let's go. Pretty good. Pretty good. Not too bad, right? Yeah. I was impressed. Very impressive. I like that his example of what they would do was go to a convention together. You mean she could call that.

Anything. It would be like a dental convention too. Dental convention. It wouldn't be like a pop culture and comic book convention. No, no, it'd probably be, yeah, you know, like plastics or something like that. Or the orthodontics. A boat show. Yeah. It's good. Get together and go to the boat show. Payroll professionals. Let's go to the RV and mobile home show I hear. I hear evil Knievels appearing.

And good Knievel. Famous. And good Knievel. Look inside his RV. Something good in there. Neutral Knievel, is that? Neutral Knievel. Guys, can we stop jumping and start talking?

Thank you. Thank you so much. Guys, can we stop jumping and go to Panera? It's fine. It's okay. I mean, listen, you know, not everybody, nobody's going to love it, but nobody's going to be mad, you know? Chaotic Knievel says, did you know it used to be called St. Louis Bread Company? Wait, so Chaotic Knievel just knows a lot of facts? He's just throwing in facts that sort of upset the apple cart on how you understand the world. Right.

It's fine, we've decided on Panera. It's fine, Chaotic Knievel. Just so you guys know, I mean, you're obviously both very creative professionals of whom your parents are very proud. We're also very creative and think of a lot of segment ideas for the show. So a lot of times people will call in for those segments that we thought of. It's not just people calling in with something they wanted to say to us and then saying that it's for the segment, blah, blah, blah, that sort of sets up what their call was, you know what I mean?

It's different stuff that we've thought of and use our creativity to discover and find. Like this. Hey Jordan, Jesse and guest. I'm guessing I'm close. I'm calling in for your beloved segment, one upping Jesse's San Francisco stories. I know a few months ago Jesse talked about how on his way to school each morning he would see a woman, an older woman I believe, jogging with an extendable baton, presumably for self-defense. Well I recently moved to the Bay Area and now each day on my way to school I see an

older lady running at what could only be a three mile per hour pace at most carrying what I believe is a plastic broadsword. It could be a real broadsword I haven't come close enough to check because obviously she is carrying a sword. But yeah I guess this is like a pretty common thing around here and extends through the decades. Anyways, love you guys. Bye. Adam O'Hara Yeah, I mean, obviously nobody's going to top my Bay Area stories ever again, given that I ate a super burrito with crook and kite the other day. But that does probably top that time that I would see that lady

walking around the southern part of San Francisco power walking with an extensible self-defense baton in like a velour track suit too. Yeah, like very classy, very classy lady ready for violence at all times. Dave, as a New Yorker, do you have local Yokels? Oh, many. You know, I don't know Yokels that much. I would say just full on. Using Yokel very broadly as a, you know, eccentric, noteworthy person in the neighborhood. Colorful sophisticates of some kind. I mean, they all work at the PBS station.

There's no doubt about that. Yeah, I don't know. There's, it's gotten kind of bored. It's kind of like fully, just full on, you know, homeless people or annoying rich people. Yeah. And at least where I, in my area. And I'm, I'm neither. I guess I'm sort of in between those two groups. What about in Cleveland as a child?

Oh yeah, that magical. Um, I mean, I grew up in like pretty, you know, suburban, I mean, completely suburban. Now, now it's the mean streets of Cleveland where I grew up but um yeah there's always uh you know sketchy grocery store employees and stuff whom I call friends uh-huh. But yeah, I think mostly I don't know probably mostly just like Untreated mentally ill people roaming the suburbs of Cleveland Yeah, yeah sure With extensible but there was a there was a guy he wasn't mentally ill

But this guy bicycle Howard that I was a big fan of known always riding a bicycle, which was enough. That's all you needed. There was a guy at the 16th Street BART station that I would pass every day, who I remember as being very tall and bald, but with long hair on the sides of his head. Sort of like in a 1970s way, you know, this was the late 1980s by then. But you know, like a, it looks a little bit like Rob Reiner on All in the Family or something like that kind of vibe. Yeah, like a more dissolute version of that. But he would say he would be set up every day, so like he must have been like scaring off the

competition. He'd be set up every day in that BART station right at the bottom of the giant escalator playing the fucking recorder, just fucking rocking out on a recorder. Oh yeah. And just think about how much recorder you have to play to make a living busking on a recorder. I mean, the only song a recorder plays is Hot Cross Buns, right? That's correct. So you really, people, you have to really be able to wail on Hot Cross Buns to make

it stand out. I feel bad because like the ones are really good, like, you have to really be able to wail on hot cross buttons to make it stand out. I feel bad because like the ones are really good, like I'm happy to support them whenever I support the deal and they feel the obligation as they thank you and then they like, it never really happens that like the crescendo of like the solo that they're killing, like they're doing like the guitar solo from like Aqua Long or something like that. Like, thank you very much, sir. Have a blessed day, sir.

There was a woman in the same spot when I was in San Francisco this past week. I like went through that 16th street, Bart station and walked past that same spot where that guy used to rock out on the recorder. And there was a woman there who I guess was sitting, she looked like a Hare Krishna, like sitting on the ground asking for alms or something like that, like shaved head, sitting cross-legged on the ground. But I guess she must have had a karaoke machine behind her. And she was sitting there quietly, but fervently singing like a fucking cranberry song or something into the karaoke machine or like a, it was like some really intense, my Lilith Fair music game is not tight, but like some really intense like 12 out of 10 Lilith Fair singing, but to a karaoke track on a hidden karaoke machine while she was sitting quietly cross-legged and sort of looking at the ground, it was a real experience.

Can I take a minute to go back to the broadsword real quick? Yeah, please please You know I'm thinking that like if you're carrying more you're better known Jordan for your rapier wit, but Broad sword witticisms with us I will thank you love blade humor any Thank you Love blade humor any Dump some blood from the ceiling of the nightclub and Jordans there Yes, it is I am talking about of course Wesley Snipes his blade trilogy The broadsword you're carrying it around because you just kind of want to give off an air of don't fuck with me, right? I Have a broad sword who knows what I'm capable of right? Yeah

Is is the scarier weapon? nunchucks Like of the of the of the two things the broadsword could probably hurt you worse, right? It could probably kill you faster and quicker But our our nunchucks the official weapon. They seem more accessible to me I was going to say I think they are the official weapon of the unhinged. I think if you've really lost it You're carrying nunchucks. I would you are capable of anything I've been i've been

I've gotten stopped twice carrying nunchucks through the airport. Where were you transporting them to and from? I'm glad you asked. I, I, I, one time was coming from Cleveland, I had bought a new set of nunchucks there. And I had them in my bag and I viewed them as not a weapon, but couldn't have been more wrong. Cleveland, of course, known for its nunchucks. Oh yeah.

And but yeah, and I had to talk to the police and everything. It was pretty great. What did the police say? Well, I was like, well, I'm a comedian and I use them in this bit that I do. And they're like, uh-huh. And then they're like, okay, whatever. And then I went to my gate and like another guy came and he's like, I just have to get like a statement from you to go over what happened. Do you want to go talk in private?

I'm like, no, let's just do it here at the gate. And he's like, now why again did you think it was okay to have nunchucks? And I was like, I'm a comedian. It's just like, can you just get a nice job at the New York Times? You go in every day. Exactly. And then I recently got, it happened again another time. And then I recently got, I paint hatchets for fun.

And I had a hatchet that I was in the middle of painting. And I had brought it to Cleveland because I thought, oh, I'll have some time to work on it there. And I didn't. And I just threw it to Cleveland because I thought, oh, I'll have some time to work on it there and I didn't and I just threw it in my suitcase and then in my mind like, oh, it's art and then TSA did not view it that way. They took it. Yeah. Well, I mean, TSA had probably assumed that you had just recently read the book Hatchet. And you knew that given that your parents had recently divorced, your plane would likely crash. Sure.

And you'd need it for your survival. Is this the plot of Hatchet? Yeah, this is the plot of the book Hatchet. I gotta read this book as a Hatchet enthusiast. Honestly, I started reading it with one of my kids and she ended up getting too freaked out by it because it's kind of intense, but I was really into it and I was mad we didn't finish it. It's really good.

George, all this shit that happened at the 16th admission BART station happened not three blocks from the Ninja supply store, the original location of the Ninja supply store. I mean, here's the thing, in honest answer to your question, just so you guys know, Rob and Dave, in my childhood, there was a Ninja supply store. Um... Wait, is it the Dave Eggers thing?

No, this was a real ninja supply store. It's something he would do but no. Yeah, no. And also people that did kung fu. And I wondered if it was real but Bucky Sinister who lived in the neighborhood when I was a kid but was a little older, remembered it also existing. So, he confirmed that it was a real store. But anyway, with regard to the nunchucks, Jordan, they are the official weapon of the unhinged. However,

they're also the official weapon of someone hitting themselves with the weapon when they try and attack you. Yeah. True, yeah. Yeah. Like I've... Like the someone, you need a pretty good amount of nunchuck experience and skill to effectively attack someone with a nunchuck to the point where unless somebody really looked like they have their shit together, I would not be that scared of someone who is holding nunchucks because I would assume that they would hit themselves with the nunchucks before they hit me as long as I stayed six or eight feet away. It's a really good point. Well, guys, I think we've learned a lot about nunchucks today. Yeah, and whether it would be whether, you know, a broadsword or, you know, a foil and

a pay saber, what would be scariest? I guess that would depend on whether I'm wearing Plate or chain armor, right? Well Let's take a minute to reflect on nunchucks. Mm-hmm. Think about all they've done for us Yeah, this is what we do instead of going to mass Dave This is what we need to step. Well, I don't go I don't go any longer I've visited I don't go any longer. I have my nunchuck time. Yeah, nunchuck time. That's good. Ritual is so important. Ritual, you know?

Yeah, we're gonna do a little contemplation and be back in just a second on Jordan Jessica. Actor Samantha Sloyan has played a lot of characters. Bev Keene in Midnight Mass, Miss Rohrabacher in the new film The Life of Chuck, Lily, the mother who diligently watches over her son in the hit medical drama The Pit. But what character really made Samantha Sloyan feel seen? That is Special Agent Dale Cooper from Twin Peaks. When you see somebody swing for the fences with almost like no sense of embarrassment

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Oh shit, we're seeing town four Jordan, we don't know. Probably trouble. I'm gonna guess trouble. Trouble. Nunchuck based trouble. Whoa, that's the worst kind. Dave, have you ever been called upon to play black metal in a context that is completely non-humorous? I would say no.

No, no, I haven't. I've been called upon to play metal just in a non-humorous way, but not, I don't think black metal. Though I have sort of through witch taint and all that, I have met a lot of black metal musicians, some of whom were referenced in the original emails. So yeah, some dreams do come true. And with black metal musicians, the deal is that some of them are murderers, but others are not?

Well, that's true of any field. You know what? Good point. Every profession has at least one murderer. Including murderers. Including murderers, yeah. I think though, it seems though that in Norway, because of their criminal justice system, you usually get out of prison after not that much time having murdered somebody. And I find that it just as an American, you know, they also

have a much lower rate of recidivism. So there's that. But it is interesting that like there'll be, there's several bands where like there's this guy who murdered someone and it's like, oh, he's in this band now playing at this festival. You don't really see that really in America. It's like when somebody gets like a PED suspension in football, it's like, yeah, they're not on the Rams anymore, but then they did their suspension and now they're on the Bucks. Yeah, exactly. It's very similar. Do you think murdering is itself a sort of performance enhancement for black metal?

That's a good question. I don't want to say yes, but I think it. Um. It's important to only think yes. No, frowned upon, I think. Yeah. Well, Dave and Rob, what a joy it is to see both of you. Likewise. As per ever.

I hope everyone will rush out and check out not just the novelizers, which is the podcast. And there is an episode of the Rob. We mentioned this last time Rob was on the show. But there's an episode of the novelizers that Jordan wrote that I read. Hilarious. Hilarious. Like every episode of this podcast.

It is the Jesse Jordan Goh of the novelizers. That's the way they go. Exactly. Literally. Rob's new book is called The Jews, 5000 Years and Counting, from Adam and Eve to Zabars. That's what it covers, Rob. From Adam and Eve to Zabars. Oh wow. This is the famous deli.

Oh, you don't have to tell me twice. Yeah. And Dave's new comic is called Dark Regards, issue number one. Now available? Is that what we're looking at we looking at available now. Yeah four issues first ones out Yes, we did what I meant to clarify. I'm a big Zabars fan I realized I didn't finish that thought and people just thought I was weird What's your what's your order? Get off the fence about Zabars. I like a nice meringue. I like to go in there and get a nice bag of meringues. That's nice But I know I think it's gonna do a fight there. That's the important thing. So well, I'm I know I haven't seen him in a while Saul Zabar

We're tight. Oh is uh we're tight. Oh wow. Braggie but okay. You know if you're gonna drop Zabar base names gonna go hard. Yeah. Listen I'm friends with Carl jr. right so. Whoa. And Carl senior. And I'm friends with John Apple the creator of The Apple. The Apple is the creator. Jordan Jesse Goh's theme music is Love You by The Free Design, courtesy of The Free Design and Light in the Attic Records. Our producer, Stephen Ray Morris. You can find us on Instagram at jordandavidmorris, at jessethorn, very famous, and at jordanjessegohpod. Hey Jordan, guess what I did when I was in San Francisco?

Stan Mallow Tell me. Jordan Morris Stopped by Sour Cherry Comics on 16th Street. I picked up a copy of Godzilla versus LA by Jordan Morris. Stan Mallow Oh my gosh! They were selling it at Sour Cherry? Jordan Morris They were selling it right there at Sour Cherry. I looked in the window, I saw this interesting looking comic about the history of transgender people.

I went, picked it up, seemed too heavy to carry home, looked over to my right, there's Jordan's comic book. Went and got it, she said, you want a bag and a board? I said, okay. Apparently it costs extra. I didn't know that. Oh really? No, they shouldn't be charging you.

Yeah, you know. But then, you know what I said? Yeah. I said, my friend Jordan wrote this. You know what I said? You know what I said? I said, my friend Jordan wrote this. And you know what they said? They said,

yeah, I heard these are really great. Hey! Okay! Alright! Yeah, I mean, Godzilla vs. LA at your local comic book store now. Grab it when you're grabbing Dave's book. Now, is it when you're grabbing Dave's book. Now, is it as important as a comic book about the history of transgender issues? No.

Yes. But, oh, well, that's debatable. That's debatable. I mean, Jordan, look, I understand the importance of a history of transgender people. I mean, as a parent of transgender children, obviously, like, this is an important issue that's very close to my heart, like, very important to me. I'm just saying that when Godzilla comes, if you haven't read Jordan's comic book, you are fucked. You're totally fucked. You know what I mean? You are fucked. Gonna say, you know, some might say not as important as the history of transgender people, but easier to carry on a plane.

Yeah. There you go. Bob's your uncle. You can't say that's not true. You can't say that's not true. Jordan, it was an overnight trip. All I had was a little day pack. I wasn't going to carry around a whole fucking thing. You know what I mean? Yeah. Anyway, we're also on a blue sky. We're on Facebook. Go follow Jordan, Jesse, go're also on Blue Sky. We're on Facebook. Go follow Jordan, Jesse, go and all these different places. Don't blow it for yourself.

Don't blow it. And we'll talk to you next time on Jordan, Jesse, go. To love you