Jordan, Jesse, GO! - Prominent Hulk, with Mary Roach

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

On today’s episode, we welcome back acclaimed author, Mary Roach, to chat about her new book (Replaceable You, out now!), finger chili, ectoplasm IRL, super clean pigs, and so much more.Get Mary’s new book, Replaceable You!Go see Mary on tour in a city new year!Bullseye 25th Anniversary live show dates!Pre-order Jordan’s new Predator comic!Pre-order Jordan’s new Venom comic!Donate to Al Otro Lado, any amount helps right now.Buy signed copies of Youth Group and Bubble from Mission: Comics And Art!~ NEW JJGo MERCH ~Be sure to get our new ‘Ack Tuah’ shirt in the Max Fun store.Or, grab an ‘Ack Tuah’ mug!The Maximum Fun Bookshop!Follow the podcast on Instagram and send us your dank memes!Check out Jesse’s thrifted clothing store, Put This On.Follow brand new producer, Steven Ray Morris, on Instagram.Listen to See Jurassic Right!

Give a little time for the child within you. Don't be afraid to be young and free. Undo the locks and throw away the keys and take off your shoes and sucks and run you. It's Jordan Jesse Go. I'm Jesse Thorne, America's Radio, sweetheart. Jordan Morris Boy, detective. Jordan. Yeah.

I've been joining these Facebook groups for expats in Mexico. Okay. And there was a thread in one of them that was just wonderful because these things Like, first of all, it's Facebook. So while on the one hand, always good to remember, Facebook has its own style of post. Yeah, not unlike LinkedIn, right? Like, these are, these are places where there's a, there's a native tone, there's a, you know, punctuation. Yeah, there's a kind of post you get on Facebook that you don't get on other social media network.

Yeah. And then it's also the people who are posting. on Facebook about being an expat yeah in Mexico specifically are a very particular sort of person

this is not okay yeah this is not let us say this is not James Baldwin in Paris right okay this is people who moved somewhere

substantially people who moved somewhere where they heard they wouldn't have to learn Spanish. Okay. There's like people who are like, who like are moving there because they're retiring and they want to be as far as possible from their stepkids is basically the category. Okay. Okay. So the, so it's just a, it's just a, in their minds, it's just a giant man cave. It's just a giant man cave with neon Budweiser signs. Yes.

No, it is. Adam's family pinball machine. It is a very kind of like, yeah, low-end Margaritaville audience makes up like 60% of these Facebook groups. Okay, okay, yeah, you're painting a picture. I'm starting to realize who this is. Irma posted, does anyone know if I can buy black tea here in Mexico? My husband loves black tea and has drunk it all the time. He does not drink soda or alcohol or coffee, so it is the one drink he enjoys.

But so far, only Amazon has it at an expensive price. Any idea is appreciate it. So, yeah, the, yeah, Facebook seems to be the kind of intersection of hyper normie and totally insane. Like it is someone who has gone, yeah, who is kind of going off the deep end, but also mainly just watches Wheel of Fortune over. you know, over linear TV. He does not drink soda or alcohol or coffee, so it is the one drink he enjoys. Is this, is that, is this a weird, like, bad faith thing? Because it, I will admit, I have not been to Mexico City.

It seems like black tea bags should be easy to find, you know, anywhere you go in a big city. Is this a weird, like... Yeah, so I would characterize... I'm cranky about grocery stores being weird in a place I don't understand. so I'm doing a weird bad faith post. The replies to this were like, uh, what about Walmart or Costco or all of the many major stores that carry this staple food item that is also popular in Mexico. Eventually, Irma finally replied.

So there's probably 20 people being like, yeah, I drink black tea. I just buy it at Walmart. Sure. There's Walmarts in Mexico. Irma finally replied she wrote Thanks for the great advice everyone We lived in Pocatella Idaho And have been here in Mexico for a month and a half

I decided to order two boxes on Amazon And ask my sister from San Diego to buy at Costco And ship it the next time she visits Takate Which is very close to San Diego But on the Mexican side I think that'll do it Again, thanks for the suggestions. Have a great time at the celebrations for the 16th of September,

Diadela Independencia. And if you haven't had Pazole, give it a try. Okay. So, Ermas, Irma's kind of trying. Irma's giving it a shot, it sounds like. Jordan, can I give you a suggestion? Yes. Have you checked out enchiladas?

I've been meaning to. They're on my list. I can I recommend giving tacos a try okay I have been trying out a lot of Mexican stuff here they can be a little spicy but you know what give them give them a try wash him down with a sweet tea mm-hmm you know what I think Irma's gonna be okay I think Irma's gonna be okay I think Irma's there too and Irma's husband even I think might make it through this now that now that Irma's sister in San Diego is going to buy tea at at Costco in San Diego. And do some sort of dead drop somewhere for them to pick it up.

Drive it across the border. Right. Smokey in the bandit style. Probably in a fucking inside a body panel of a pickup truck. Sure. Yeah. And there's going to be a there's going to be kind of a hot shot guy in a muscle car going ahead of her to distract the cops. They get to the border and somebody has.

One of those mirrors on a long stick to check underneath your car in case you have black tea there. We got Lipton. Open fire. Trunks full of Lipton. Oh, fuck. Loose leaf. Yeah. It's worse than I thought.

Help me. We've moved to Mexico and we have food on our hands. Where can we get napkins? My husband loves to wash his, wipe his hands with napkins. Where can we find these? he doesn't use sinks or cloth napkins or clothes to wipe his hand he needs a paper napkin so paper napkins is the only thing he uses doesn't like wet naps sure anyway just that's a little Facebook update yeah thank you it's always good to hear about what's going on over there on Facebook I know you're

kind of in charge of the LinkedIn beat for our program right yeah we there's different desks here at Jordan Jesse go. I'm on the LinkedIn desk. Jesse's on the Facebook desk. And Stephen just hangs out on Pinterest. Oh, I actually just put Stephen in charge of Black Planet. Oh, okay. Wait, what's Black Planet?

Black Planet was like a social media site for black folks around the Myspace era. Yep, perfect. Yeah, works for me. Should we introduce our guest on the program? I love to. Should I've said J-Date? I could also, Farmers-only.com. These are all great polls.

Stephen, I'm putting you in charge of farmers only. All right. I'm on it. Our guest on the program is one of our all-time favorites. America's funniest non-fiction author. Yeah. I don't think Bill. I think Bill Bryson's still alive.

Eat that Bill Bryson. Her brand new book is called Replacable You. It's about, it's another in her series of Cronenbergian body horror. comedy books about science. Mary Roach. Hi, Mary. Hi. We got Lipton's.

We got Lipton. We got Lipton. I'm sorry. Hello. Every reply. It was like every any grocery store. Where are you going that they don't have black tea? Mary, how do you feel about the description of your work as Kronenbergian?

Pretty accurate, I'd say. Okay. Cool. Yeah. I'll take it. Body horror is the category. Somebody just said, yeah. So I think last yesterday or the day before, I was called the laureate of the lurid.

Okay. That rolls off the tongue. That's a little hard to say. I'd love to be the laureate of anything. Luried of the lurid. Yeah. I don't find myself terribly lurid. I'd like to be the laureate of even like laurels.

Sure. Laureate of Lipton's. Yeah. De Negro. Mary, you're kind of, you're about to, we're talking to you like right as you're about to leave for like the in-person leg of your book tour. Yeah, do you like look forward to book tour stuff? I know it's, you probably can't say like, oh, no, it sucks like the day before you leave.

But like, I would like to know your feelings about the like in-person book tour stuff. I like the in-person stuff. I even like the almost in-person stuff, such as what we're experiencing right now. I like people. But what I don't like is all of the email of like constantly, here's the link for tomorrow. And I'm always like, I don't have the link. And my publicist is like, yes, you have the link. Where's the link?

I don't know. It says tomorrow's show. They all say tomorrow's show. And I'm not very organized. so my wife my wife doesn't like to put the address in the calendar event and I always need the address in the calendar event and she's like well I you have the address I'm like do I I don't know it's not in the calendar it doesn't exist yeah it's that kind of thing but but no I I I like the you know I spend a lot of time in a little room by myself so it's it's good for me to get out and

get socialized. Yeah, I mean, I think it's healthy. Your main friends when you're in the writing process are people who you have to show you are wearing white cotton gloves before they will let you look at a weird book. I love the white cotton gloves. And sometimes they give you the little support stand for the book, right? Yeah. And they have actually been reprimanded for leaning back slouching, you know, and pulling the book.

So it's kind of teetering on the edge. It was humbling. I have an important question. Is there still such a thing is microfilm and microfeesh? Or are you only on computers now? I, if my research takes me to a microfechish document, I will drop that line of research. You still want any part of it. You're macrofeish only.

Yeah. There will be no microfeesh. The little like, And then going forward, fast forward. No, yeah, it exists. It still exists out there. MicroFesh. What's the most like, what's the most high security document you've had to view as part of the writing process?

I once went for my second book, which used to be called Spook. It's now called Six Feet Over. Anyway, I, it's on cam. There it is. There it is. So I had a chapter on ectoplasm, and I found out that the archives at Cambridge University in the UK had a sample of alleged ectoplasm. So I'm like, I flew all the way there. Right.

They're like slimer stayed in this hotel once. We found we scraped some off the pillow. Yeah, I would have assumed you'd just go straight to the New York Public Library and hit that card catalog. see what's going on in there. Yeah, but the, so to get into the, it was called the manuscripts room and they've got, you know, Charles Darwin's original seed stock and like medieval land transfers and all just this amazing and it looks like a cathedral and you have to apply to get in and you get like an ID and it's like this whole kind of religious experience and people are very, very quiet and some page was

sent to get my alleged ectoplasm, which was in a pink box, like donuts come in, oddly. I could see how that could lead to some fun mishaps. Someone's like, wow. Somebody brought donuts. Somebody brought donuts. I'm just going to have half. And there was a card on it. I guess they were jelly donuts.

There was a card on the top of the box, and it said alleged ectoplasm, and it had the name of the medium, and it said, vaginally secreted or secreted, I didn't know, because ectoplasm was often hidden in body cavity, so I don't know if it was secreted or secreted anyway, though. So I opened the box. Penmanship matters, people. Penmanship matters. Absolutely.

The little accent mark would have been really helpful. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I opened the box. And, you know, they're like students doing studious things all around me. very hushed and there's this rather large bolt of cloth like large enough it's bigger than a napkin and it's not gauzy like some of the ectoplasm was cheesecloth because you could squish it up and stick it up your vagina and then in the dark pull it out and make it look all ghosty but this was

just like you know gabardine or something there's no way that was vaginally secreted but the card also said faintly smelling and I didn't I didn't detect a smell which was good because did you give it a good huff I didn't I didn't really well no I it was it was it was it was just a piece of benign cloth here I was thinking that you were committed to research I find that you didn't even huff the ectoplasm cloth yeah I know I know what I should have done is gone to the ladies room bunched it all uptight and see if I could shove it up there. Yeah, see if you can secrete it.

Wait a minute. Secret it. Secret it. Secret it. And then you have to secrete it eventually. And then you secrete first you secret. You secret. Then you secrete.

What? Feel free to razz me if I'm missing something obvious. What? Feel free to rams me. Listen, I'll take a razzet, okay. Why?

Why? Why? Was it or was it frequently in a vagina? Because, okay, the way those seances worked in the spiritualist days would be everybody's in this room and it's dark. And the medium would be in a cabinet, which was kind of a handy way to do kind of magician-type tricks. So that would be an opposite. Because ectoplasm, people were amazed like, oh, my God, where did it come? from. Everybody's in this room and where could that have possibly come from? And so the mediums

were searched and sometimes they were put in a garment where their, you know, their hands were mittened over. It was kind of like a Gumby suit. It's like, oh my God, how did she do it? Anyway, nobody thought to, or it being that era, nobody looked up the cooch. So that was a handy, That was all, you know, that was the remaining storage area that nobody was going to investigate. For context, Jordan, looking up the cooch is sort of a 21st century thing. You and I, as millennials, are always looking up cooches. Oh, sure, yeah. And eating ass, eating ass, looking up the cooches, avocado toast, can't buy house.

And having it all. Like the girl bosses we are. A couple of girl bosses, looking up the cooches. sung to the tune of putting on the writs. I mean, speaking of orifice secreting, speaking of orifice secreting, I feel like everything I know, you remember those, those things that say, those posters that would be in your classroom, Jordan, when we were kids that said everything I know about life I learned from my second grade teacher or whatever. Yeah, sure, sure. Everything I know about sticking things up your butt, I learned from Mary Roe. his work. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're not afraid to go to go in the

butt, uh, you know, uh, literally speaking. Uh-huh. No, that's true. I, I, I, I'm very proud of my rectal work. Do you, do you have a, do you have a, do you have a rectal work that jumps to mind as one of your favorites? As a, as a matter of fact, I do. Um, uh, uh, I wrote this book Gulp, which is, you know, kind of everything from the butt to the ass. The two. you know that very strange tube which all has all its own rules it's about adventures on the elementary canal oh sure yes yes i've read it it's terrific so the maybe i listen to that one on tape maybe listen to you read that one anyway yeah no i didn't yeah i'm going to re-record that because i didn't read that one and now i'm going to read it okay but anyway okay so that when i got to the

rectum um you know i'm like there's really no where am i going to go for this chapter there's no you know institute of rectal science but i thought i find that hard to believe, really? I believe me, I looked. With all the millennials running around there, anyway. Okay. So I thought, well, let's think about the rectum. It's a storage facility.

That's what it is. It's a holding area that gives you time to make it to the place where you can let it go. And so I thought, well, who takes advantage of the rectum as a holding unit? And that I thought of the drug smugglers, mules, people in prison are using. using the rectum in a very advanced way. So I wrote to the California Department of Corrections and I called them. Actually, I called them and I said, you have issues with rectal smuggling and could I talk to people?

And I thought maybe they would sort of, they would put me in touch with a prison guard, but they said, actually, we have a out at Avonall State Prison, there's a guy who's famous for his ability. We have just the guy. We have the guy. Frank. Asked Frank. Yeah.

You're not going to believe this guy's holes. Yeah. It's called hooping. They call it hooping, like through the hoop. Like, you know, putting it up through the hooping. There's a place in Oakland called Hooper's Chocolates now that I can't look at. But so I went out to add. I can no longer watch reruns of my favorite 90s sitcom hanging with Mr. Hooper.

I know it's Cooper. He knows it's Cooper. I know it's Cooper. I'm not going to razz you, Jordan. Not razz me. I'm just saying something. You got to say stuff on a podcast. It's a podcast.

You've got to say things. You got to say stuff. That's the show. I'll never razz you. Thank you. Thank you, Mary. I hate you. I hate me.

The reason I bring up Kronenbergian, like certainly you've investigated, you've been engaged in dead bodies, you've been engaged in humans in space. you've been engaged, these things are all, you've, you've been up butts, these things are all somewhat Kronenbergian. But I feel like the topic of replaceable you, which is the ways that science recreates the functions of the body is a particularly specifically body-hore-ish thing. Like, if I think of, like, super clean pigs, that's an example of, like, that's exactly the, like, creepy area that we're in, growing organs, these sorts of things. Yeah.

Or, and manipulating pigs so that they literally grow human organs. Isn't that, remember that, oh, lucky man? Wasn't there a scene where they had the pig human guy in the hospital room and what's just never mind? You're actually visiting episodes of the Twilight Zone at this point. Yeah, I am. You went into like an old-timey iron lung? Yeah, I wanted, I had this idea that I wanted to actually spend the night in an iron lung. You know, one of the old-timey, yeah, the Emerson Iron Lung from the polio era, 50s.

This is because you had been told that it was the only way you could get this inheritance from your uncle. If you made it through the night in the Emerson Iron Lund. Who still has that in 2025? Where, where? Well, are they, are they plentiful? Is it just one, one guy in a garage? I searched high and low. Okay.

There are very few. There are some that are in basements of medical facilities that are not working, not functioning, or nobody wanted to dust them off for me and plug them in. But I found a guy in Kansas City whose wife slept in one, not as a fetish, but because she had left, she still had breathing issues from her polio days. So I wrote him an email and said, hello, you don't know me, but this is what I do. And I wondered if I could come out there and try out your wife's iron lung, which he still. had in the room where she used to use it. And he said yes, which is, you know, was not entirely expected.

What was the experience like? I lasted about seven minutes. Oh, boy. Yeah. Partly because it's a weird experience because on the one hand, there's this machine that's telling you when you're going to inhale and exhale. And yeah, he had it cranked up, you know, to 11 because his wife needed that. So I was kind of,

Right. So I was breathing. It was this really luxuriant kind of like, you've never gotten more oxygen on a single breath in your life. But on the other hand, the collar so that there's no, it all has to be sealed. So your mouth and nose are the only opening, right? So that around the neck, it's like pretty tight. So it's this weird combination of relaxed and free flowing air. and then also that somebody's choking you.

So it's, and you can't roll over. I don't, I don't sleep on my back. I can't sleep on my bed. I'm a side sleeper. You can't. And once you're on your back, you're on your back, you know, and you can't. And also your face is going to itch like it's never itched before. And your hands are in a giant metal tube.

Oh my gosh. So. But was the, was the plan to just spend the night, fall asleep in this guy's spare room or whatever? That was the plan. Also, I wanted to have dinner in the, Iron Long. It's going to get a pizza delivered or something? I don't care.

I don't eat any. Just feed me. I wanted to be fed as people were fed. And they're like, they looked at each other and kind of with worried looks and said, that's a dangerous thing to do because when you're in an iron lung, it decides, the machine decides when you're going to inhale and when you're going to exhale. So if you're eating and the person is, you have to be fed. because your hands are, again, in a large metal, too.

Right. So somebody would have to be feeding you. So if you decide, okay, I'm going to swallow the mouthful of food now. And then the machine is like, no, you're going to inhale. And the two coincide. Now you're inhaling your food literally in a dangerous way. So they're like, no, we're going to have some ribs I think we had before I went in to the long. So you're in Kansas City.

That's a way to go. They were good. Yeah, I bet. freaking good, yeah. I had this, I've had some iron lung experiences because my dad's best friend, Ed, an Oaklander, not unlike you, Mary, and the namesake of a California state holiday, Ed Roberts Jr. Day. Ed all had childhood polio, and so he was paralyzed from the neck down, except for he could. move a finger. He had a finger that he could move his fingers just a little bit. So when he was in his wheelchair out and about, he had a breathing machine on the wheelchair. So he would munch down

on a tube and that would breathe for him. But when he was at home, he would be in the iron lung and the living room of his house was this iron lung. It is a huge machine. It's like a hot water heater on its side. Yeah. I mean, it's like a double size hot water heater on the side. Yeah. It's it's a big giant thing and uh ed was very was a very spicy guy and which is why he you know why why he has a california holiday named after i mean he was the first person well with like a needs like that to be in a regular dorm at uc berkeley they they like he and his mom like forced uc berkeley to make them yeah i know who he is yeah yeah i've heard of him yeah but anyway he would be he would be in his living room with like he had attendance you know like uh medical assistant types

and then who you know their job was to help him get in and out of things and blah blah blah but he'd be like in the living room working in his iron lung so he'd be like dictating shit to people and stuff but then also he would be like holding court which is it's very unusual to have somebody holding court while they are on their back looking at you like up through the top of their head, like he had a mirror too, but like mostly like looking at you directly, sort of if you imagine yourself in an MRI or something like that. If you think of like a CEO inside an MRI machine, but one of my most vivid memories of Ed is one time we got to his house, me and my dad, and he was there and he was smoking a joint in his iron lung. So he had

his attendant, he couldn't like move his arms, right? So he had his attendant holding the J for him, and then he would, like, close down on it when the machine was making an inhale. That's a deep inhale, man. Big rip. That rip. Wow. Yeah. An extraordinary achievement.

Yeah, he was an amazing guy. He's the one who got curb cutouts stuff. I remember hearing on 99PI about how he got people, like, to cut out the curb. So people, it could get. at your wheelchair up on the sidewalk. Yeah, I texted when that, when that episode came out, I texted Rome and I'm like, hey, I know, I know him. I mean, I don't know him anymore. He passed away when I was a teenager.

But yeah, that was very exciting for me. But watching him do shit like that in those machines. Yeah. And he, you know, did similar stuff in his wheelchair, like, you know, running into people, running over people. Like acts of violence, like low level violence. Very impressive. Very impressive of achievements. Mary, I feel like I always ask you this question, and it's a lazy question. But what I like about it is that you always have an answer. Every time you write one of these books, you go to these libraries and onto these dady bases and you look up all these science studies. Do you have a favorite science study that you learned about in the process of writing replaceable to you? one of them comes to mind but let me just think if there's a oh god there's there's a bunch of them but i like this one i forget the guy's name but there was i got interested in uh like

where did that you know that pale sickly green that hospitals all painted their walls yeah yeah yeah yeah i kind of got interested in like why where did that come from and there was this paper about this guy who in fact didn't advocate for pale green. He advocated for dark spinach green. And he had this thing about how, if you're a surgeon and you're looking in the body cavity and then you look up and the lights are bright and the walls are white, now you're blinded. You know, it's like looking at the sun and then you can't see the guts that you're working on. So he started painting the whole OR black and all of the surgeons

and all the staff had to wear black and the surgical drapes were black and finally the people in the hospital kind of took them aside and they're like, dude, it's freaking out the patients that you all look like horsemen of the apocalypse. Sure. But I don't know. People like that.

I mean, he wrote this. It was in like the California Medical Journal from 1950, whatever. So that shade of green, that weird hospital green is like the color that most convinces people that they haven't gone to hell. They're not currently. The pale green, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're okay. You're not in hell. The pale green was like some weird color therapy bullshit that went around. I mean, 70s, 60s. Mary, our audience can't see this, but you've joined us from your home office. And you appear to have painted your bookshelf that color. That's not pale. Okay.

That's a lovely vivid, perhaps. almost putrid green. Could just be the zoom. The curtain here is closer. Okay. Yeah. To the pale. This has been characterized as a vivid, almost putrid podcast.

So it's perfect. I don't know if you can see. Do you see that red thing up there? Yeah. No. Okay. That's a 3D printed human rectum. Wow.

Since we're talking about my bookshelf, I thought I'm pretty proud of that. Yeah, that is. Yeah. I mean, I would have thought that was a, you know, like a crochet. Shade stuffy or something, but that's actually a 3D printed rectum. Yeah. It's plastic. It's not actually mucosa.

Okay. What kinds of things are being 3D printed for purpose? Because I know 3D printing is part of this new book. Are there things being 3D printed for our actual body use? The only thing that's made it into past FDA approval is the outside of an ear. Just not the business part of an ear, but the out. Just the pleasure. part.

It's the outside. Business on the inside. Pleasure on the outside. The ear is very sensitive. There's a lot of nerve endings in the ear. Yeah. So it's called the Pina. That's the technical name for it.

So 3D printing is, it's pretty tricky stuff. Like when I was, when I was at this lab, it was at Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh. And they were pretty excited about, okay, it was a tiny, it was a mouse. ventricle, like one little pumping thing. Like that was, that was, like, that was pretty exciting. The thing with, like, if you're trying to print a heart, all the cells have to be aligned in kind of like a helix shape because the heart sort of twists as it pumps. So the cells have to be aligned. So you have to print, you know, you can just like flip on the printer and go, okay, you know, heart, go. You know, it's like a, you got to figure out different muscles have different patterns of

cell alignment. So it's just monstrously complicated. Nobody's printing organs is still science fiction. Kronenbergi. What modern medical miracles are you considering applying to your own body having learned about these things? Do you think about getting a robot hand or something? No, no, man, those are, they're heavy. They got to be charged frequently. They're expensive. and I was walking around the amputee coalition conference with a woman who's an amputee. And we passed, there weren't very many booths with a, you know, cyborg-gey type hands because they're still super expensive and insurance doesn't cover them. But it showed this hand like holding a raspberry. And she laughed.

She's like, are you going to spend like four minutes adjusting that grip to pitch? She's like, no, you're going to reach over with the other hand and pick it up and eat it. Like it's there it's it's you kind of toggle through these grips and it's anyway that that that's a there's a lot of hype about those bionic hands they look really cool but I got to say that you're better off with one of those shoulder harnesses you know they're body powered a lot of these things charge with electricity if it was me obviously I'm not a medical designer Jordan and you can you can ask me about this if you want to, but... No, I would never. I would never as anyone.

If it was me, I'd sort of draw power from the Earth's core. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You know? A lot of untapped energy down there. It's a lot of energy you could draw from the Earth's core, or from gamma rays. That's another source of energy I would be looking at. You've got to be concerned about Hulking, though.

I'm not concerned about Hulking. I'm excited about Hulk. You're excited to Hulk, huh? Well, yeah. You know who's concerned about hulking my enemies sure the leader you know but you look out the leader women never hulk what about she hulk i don't mean did you know have you seen have you ever seen a woman hulk women don't hulk and i i don't know why i don't know why i think we're afraid of i don't this is she hulk erasure and i will not accept you yes jennifer walters she's a lawyer mary i'm sorry she's a lawyer slash Hulk.

Listen, I, listen, how many science books have I written? Fucking zero. How many Marvel comics have I written? There's a she-thousin. You're telling me there is a she-hulk? There's a, she's a prominent Hulk. I mean, I would say that she's the second most known Hulk. Yeah, I mean, what would you say is the number one?

If you got Red Hulk, I guess you got abomination, but I don't know, she-holt. Yeah, I think she-hulk's the number two Hulk. Number one Hulk is going to be incredible Hulk, right? Yeah, of course. You've got to be incredible, sure. I don't know my hulks, obviously. I'm speaking from a place of ignorance. Forgive me.

Let's do this. I'm going to put together a Hulk greeting list for Mary. Why don't we take a little break? And then we'll come back for some more. We'll be back in just a second on Jordan guess we go. It's Jordan Jesse Go. I'm Jesse Thorne, America's Radio Sweetheart. Jordan Morris, boy detective. Well, Jordan, I have a big anniversary coming up.

It's also your anniversary, not insignificantly. Sure. It is the 25th birthday of Bullseye with Jesse Thorne. Allow me to say, hell yeah. Indeed. And to you, sir, say I. Hell yeah. Thank you.

Hell yeah, say we all. We have Bullseye, of course, my public radio, program for folks who don't know. Originally was Jordan and my and our friend Gene's college radio show 25 years ago. We have a whole slate of things that we're doing for the 25th anniversary. One of which is you and me and Gene are going to host an episode of Bullseye that actually airs on NPR. It features us listening to May's Detective, Private Detective.

Yes, old comedy bits, old interviews we did on our college radio station. We have already taped this. It was a ton of fun. Uh, yeah, wow, what a trip down memory lane. I think folks are going to enjoy it. The time a lady called into a contest we were having for flamenco tickets and said she would accept them, but only if Gene went with her. And then they ended up being boyfriend and girlfriend for like a year. Listen, a total blast.

Uh, listen to us, be kind of funny. Yeah. Kind of, kind of not knowing what we're doing. A little embarrassing. A little of each. But yeah, it was a total blast to record that. And I can't wait for folks to hear it. Also, I will be joined by you.

Gene on October 9th for a live streaming spectacular from 5 to 8 p.m. Pacific Time, I am, we decided, given that it's the 25th anniversary of Bullseye, we're going to do 25 consecutive interviews with guests, including but not limited to Tony Hale, Paul Shearer, Rob Cordry, Scott Ackerman, David Wayne, June Dianne, Raphael, all kinds of amazing people. just a huge extraordinary list of amazing people and you and Jane and me and Gene plus three live shows so if you are in New York Los Angeles or the Monterey Bay Area or the San Francisco Bay Area fuck it get a get a Airbnb for the night and go for the weekend to Santa Cruz three live shows October 16th we will be at the Crawford in Pasadena which is at LAist, the former KPCC, with Jason Manzoukis, Aparna Nancharla, Cheech Marine, and Roy Wood Jr., plus probably a music guest to be announced. On November 1st, we'll be in Santa Cruz with Boots Riley of the coup, a legendary filmmaker and television maker as well. Glenn Washington, our friend from Snap Judgment, Adam Scott, Santa Cruz's own from Severance and Parks and Recreation, among other things.

our old friend Scott Simpson is going to be doing stand-up comedy and we will be joined by the UC Santa Cruz Mariachi Ensemble Mariachi Eterno de UC Santa Cruz And then on November 15th we'll be at the People's Improv Theater in New York City That is the place where I did the first ever sound of Young America live show Forever and Ever ago Oh cool, I didn't know that Our friend Alex Zalban

Now a noted comics journalist Alex Albin And general entertainment journalist Alex Alvin was the artistic director of the pit And invited me to fly out and do a show there It is a tiny theater, so get tickets now We will have our friend Josh Gondelman, H. John Benjamin, Jada Boomrod, and Kristen Anderson Lopez and Bobby Lopez Who are the, you know, I mean, they wrote the fucking songs for Frozen Yeah.

And Book of Mormon. Yeah. Bobby wrote, co-wrote the songs for Book of Mormon, and all kinds of other fucking shit. Lineups, lineups, lineups. All of those are at maximum fun.org slash events. That's maximum fun.org slash events. I am really excited about this. It is really an extravaganza.

What else can I say? If you're a member of the press, reach out because I'm trying to do press. trying to get anyone to pay attention to my public radio interview show for once in my life. Are you listening out there, KTLA 5? Yeah. I'll fucking, just send me a message on Instagram or whatever. I'll give you my publicist email. Do it.

I went to high school with her. That's fun. So I can just fuck fill up her email with bullshit from Jordan Jesse Go listeners. Why not? Yeah. Yeah. So all that information, maximum fun.org slash events. It is going to be a fucking extravaganza.

Let's get back to the show. It's Jordan Jesse Go. I'm Jesse Thorne, America's Radio Sweetheart. Jordan Morris, boy detective. Mary Roach, nonfiction author, and She-Hulk. Yeah. We've seen Stephen is proven to us by showing us a picture of a real She-Hulk that She-Hulks are real. Thank you, Stephen, for the.

that? If anybody out there wants to make their own podcast, that's an example of producing. There you go. I am undergoing a body horror right now, which is that, Jordan, you can razz me if you want to, but I'm in my 40s now. I would never, never razz anybody. Okay. Would you give us a little razzle, basil? No. Okay. No, absolutely not. Oh, you're a song and dance man. I would have expected that not anymore i've given it up okay the other day i was eating a taco you guys know about my passion for eating tacos if by the way have you tried pazole if you haven't given it i've heard it spicy i've heard it spicy but i was living it up because i had uh i had gotten home from the flea market before the carnitas people had gone home there's like a big big thing in my life

is there's this incredible carnitas stand not very far from my house, but they're often enclosed by like 1230 or 12, which is like just when I am getting home from the flea market on the weekend. And they're only there on Sundays. So often I am like racing against time in the hope that I will make it to this corner in Lincoln Heights before they've packed up their carnitas. I made it, got myself a pound of mixed garnitas, brought it home. It just doesn't need much.

I'm squeezing a lime onto my taco. My finger slips and I put a hole in my index finger with the fingernail of my thumb. Somehow the nail of my thumb put a hole in my index finger. It sounds like you got a powerful squeeze. I guess. A very sharply filed thumbnail? Yeah. I don't know.

I knew a guy who made models out of clay and his nails were sculpted to a sharp point. So he could shape the clay with the nail. The shape the eyeball, like the fine details. Is that what's going on? Let's see. Let me see your thumb. It looks like a standard thumb to me. I'll put thumb on me.

I don't care. Steven's screen cap there. Screen cap the thumb. Put it on Maine for all. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a typical, it's a typical thumb. I mean, it's obviously the nasty freaks out there are going to love this shit.

Those opposable digit fans. And was there blood? Are we talking about? There was blood. And it's- penetration of the skin? And the problem is, every time I'm cooking with my finger. Right.

Which we're always cooking with our fingers. Yeah. You know, you can't just use your palms to do your cooking. Whenever I'm cooking with my finger, I'll do something and it'll like stretch a little bit and unscab and then whatever I'm cooking goes straight into it. Sure. I'm just introducing whatever I'm cooking goes straight into my bloodstream and vice versa. I've been serving people my viscera for a week. Soon you'll be more chilly than man.

I know. Remember the finger chili? The woman who put the, the woman who, you don't remember this? I don't. Tell me the story of the finger chili. Do you even remember, like, September 11th, Jordan? Come on. I don't, listen, I don't get all caught up in the news. It was, like, I don't know, it was Wendy's or I think it might have been Wendy's,

but this woman claimed that she found a human finger in her chili and sued. But forensics showed that, in fact, the finger hadn't been cooked in the chili that had been introduced recently by, you know, she put the finger in herself. Did she get the finger? Did we ever find out? I think it was somebody she knew. I don't think somebody working with a power saw. I can't remember.

Walmart. Where do you get a finger? Where do you get a finger in Mexico City? I can't read the signs. I can't read that where's the finger aisle? I don't know. Get your act together, Jordan. I assumed what I pictured was like a finger cot, but it's a jalapeno.

Does that make sense? Like you shove your fingers. like you chop off one end of the chili and then jam your finger up through the hole that's what I was imagining that's something you could do oh that's what you're picturing she found in the chili no that's what I was picturing when you said you do you remember the finger chili oh oh to me finger chili would be like somebody thing yeah exactly like a like a finger puppet yeah but with with olives you put the five olives on your fingertips exactly exactly And you entertain children. Stephen has done some researching while we've been talking. Apparently, the finger from the finger chili. Yes. Belong to a co-worker of her husband, the woman who found it, I guess.

And did he cut it off for the sole purpose? Right. Was it part of the scam or he had you just lost it? And she's like, we can make some lemonade here. I'll keep looking. Thank you. Why don't we do this? Why don't we listen to a call?

Stephen, you can continue to research the finger chili. We'll create a six-part podcast about the finger chili, and that will be more successful than anything we've ever done. Yeah, and I want to clarify for Mary. Like, obviously, you work really hard on your books. We also work really hard on our show. So when people call in for segments on the show, it shows that it's segments that we've thought of. It's not just people calling in and then saying something they wanted to tell us about. And then at the end, saying it was for our segment, blah, blah, blah, that they just made up to just

why they called in. This is us working really hard and coming up with great ideas to prompt our audience with things to call in. You guys are amazing. Hi, Jordan, Jesse, and guest. This is Mary calling in from Kenya, when we moved a couple weeks ago. I'm calling in the fear segment, things I have seen carried on motorbikes. The other day, we were driving the kids to school, and we saw a person driving a motorbike, which is very common in Kenya, carrying a couch on the back of it. And not only just a couch, but a person sitting on the couch looking as comfortable as you could possibly be.

He's got his arms folded. Just sit on the back of the couch while this guy drives him around on the motorbike. Anyway, love you. Bye. Love you too, Mary. We love to get reports from around the world about things that are being on different things. Yeah, sure.

let us know if you're in a if you're in a country that's not america let us know what things are on things where you are we had we had some motorcycle talk on the show recently and this is i wonder if this is what i'm wondering like there was that one i revealed that there was that one time that i've been on a motorcycle in my life it was when i was in thailand one of the main forms of taxicab is just guy on a motorbike i had experienced two which is like a motorbike with a little some seats in the back and back wheels but uh this was just a guy on a motorbike in Bangkok there's just a lot of guys on motorbikes and they you get on and and just it was horrifying to me it was terrifying I thought I was going to die the entire time

just had to hold on like I held on to this man that was half my size as though I was I had like, been crossing a log bridge and then slipped and was like underneath the log bridge trying not to fall into a waterfall. You know what I mean? That's how tight I was holding on to this man, full body. I was terrified. But what if this guy had just had a sofa on the back of his motorbike? Yeah.

That would have turned a terrifying experience into a relaxing one. So relaxing. And I like envisioning the guy from the call. as being in the classic, I'm relaxing pose, right? I am imagining a full, ah, and like hands behind the head, you know, a classic, a classic. I just got off work and it's time to chill. What if he's holding brandy in his hand with his palm facing up? Yeah.

I think that would be good. That would be good. That's a fun way to relax. I was once hitchhiking in Greece, then a big truck with, you know, with like a big sides on it. You can't really see what's in there. It pulls over. My friend and I go around the back to get in.

And nothing in the back except a big Orthodox priest on a stool with a robe and a long beard. And so we just got in and sat on the planks next to the priest. And that was, well, we did. And it was special. And he said, welcome to David Lynch movie. Just sit and stare. It's all you have to do. He'll take care of the rest.

Have a cup of coffee. Stephen in the chat has put some more information on the finger chili story. Apparently, the person who lost the finger, lost it in an industrial accident at an asphalt company. And he sold the finger to the finger chili woman's husband to. settle a debt. Oh, guys, complicated. Yeah. Okay, guys, I'm sorry.

This is our six-part podcast investigation. Boom, right into Peacock series. We dap that into a peacock series, guy who loses his finger. Oh, I'm going to say Dylan McDermott. If we want this to be a successful podcast, Jordan, though, we're going to have to come up with a counterintuitive moral. Like, it's going to have to teach us a surprising lesson. Like, it can't just be... We get some listeners just from telling the story of how this woman got the finger out of the asphalt or whatever.

But I think we're going to need to find a reason why it was good that she put the finger into the chimney if we want this to be successful or possibly another possibility. if we could find a reason that this ties into why children become autistic. That's the other possibility for us as to how we could become successful would be if we could like say, oh, and then the finger gives autistic children psychic powers or something along those lines. That also could make give us the answer to all of this. Or Amy Polar. If we could get Amy Polar.

Oh, she's great. She is great. She's great. It was great of her to invent podcasting recently. It was really nice of her to invent podcasting recently. And you know what? Mm-hmm. I'm tired of like normals like me talking to celebrities.

I love double celebrities. Of course. It's great. Double celebrities make me so horny. It's the best. Because they get each other, you know? They get each other. I don't know what to ask a celebrity.

I'm just like, where's your car come from? You know, I'm like, oh, my God. Does he come from a car store? I don't know. Where do you get black tea in Mexico, I say? Sure. Sean Hayes doesn't, he doesn't know. He doesn't know.

He doesn't know. He doesn't care. He doesn't care. Celebrities know to ask Sean Hayes, what did you get gifted on that island? Yes. You know? And yeah, and I just love interviews that spend, you know,

seven-eighths of the time talking about kind of mundane childhood stuff, and then one or two things about the career near the end. Yeah. But we just kind of spent a lot of time on how they were a nerd in school. I love that kind of interview. Well, I love to hear, I don't know if you have this experience in writing your books, Mary, but I love to hear that charismatic people were kind of just like nerds when they were in school.

They're just kind of like nerds. When they were in school, they were just kind of like, nerds? You're so beautiful and glamorous. Chris, you were awkward? You were awkward and you were geeky? Wait, you're still kind of geeky about some things? What? Oh my God, I feel so validated and horny.

Thank you, Mary, for sitting through it. Jesse Knight's personal resentments. I'm sure you have similar thoughts about Bill Bryson or whatever. Bill Bryson, my God, where did he go? I don't know. I stalked him for four books now. It's become a tradition for me to stalk him for a blurb. Got to get that, Bryson.

I know. And one time he actually sent a note, and he has lovely penmanship calligraphy, I might even say, penmanship. And he wrote a lovely note, probably a fairly stock phrasing. And he sent a signed book, but he didn't give me the blurb. Come on. Come on, Bryson. Come on, Bryson.

I know now. And then I found, I had an address and it's like seven the Kylan's Mews, Wellmsleydale. It was one of those British addresses. It's just a list of cheeses. Yes, it is. And so I sent a book. A pawn? Why is a pawn in your address? I sent a book to the list of cheeses and heard nothing.

It says a pawn, but instead of a pond like a river or something, it's upon a pond. type of cow? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I liked this book about, like, where spoons come from. I did, too. Yeah, it was a great one. At home, right? At home, yeah.

Yeah, I like that. It's up there somewhere near the rectum. A lot of info about spoons in there. A lot of spoon info. Let's take another call. Hi, Jordan, Jesse, and guest. I'm going to guess Liam Neeson. This is Hillary in Seattle.

Hold, can you pause that for a second, Stephen? Jordan. We do have Liam Neeson here, don't we? You know, we do have Liam Neeson here, but it's an alternate reality Liam Neeson that is not from Ireland. Oh. But I always assumed he was American based on the films I've seen. No, here he comes. It's, hello, Jesse.

I'm glad to be here calling, talking to you from Brooklyn where I just, where I grew up a boy from Brooklyn. Yeah, that's right. Just, just kicking a can around Brooklyn where I grew up. Yes. Uh-huh. Kicking a can down the street in Brooklyn, yeah, where I grew up.

American Liam Neeson, do you, what do you like to eat for breakfast? Like, if I had cream cheese, what would you want to eat with it? Oh, as an American man, I'd spread that cream cheese right on a Cadillac. Okay, let's go back to the call. Thank you, Liam, for stopping by. Yeah, no problem. Uh-huh. Back to Brooklyn.

This is Hillary in Seattle, and I am calling with not one but two entries for your long-running segment, dog fashion. Entry number one, I was in a park in South Seattle, and I saw a pair of German shepherds wearing matching pairs of wraparound sunglasses. They looked like Oakley's. Entry number two. I was in a park in North Seattle. I saw a dog of indeterminate breed, but it was sort of brown and mussely. And instead of a collar, it was wearing a gold chain. Thank you very much.

Punch a blimp. Thank you. First of all, those were not dogs. The first two were Mark McGuire and Jose Canseco. The second one was Dwayne the Rock Johnson. I wonder if this collar is making like a joke about the various Seattle's that maybe we don't get because we don't live there. Like, well, of course. Of course in South Seattle, the dogs were sunglasses. And yeah, you better believe in North Seattle. They're wearing chains. Like is that.

Here's a specific insight about Ryan Lewis of McLemore and Ryan Lewis. Sure. Yes. And someone else who is from Seattle. I wonder, I wonder if there's some just Seattle neighborhood nuance we're not getting from this call. Probably. But I would like to see two dogs wearing matching sunglasses. That'd be great. There's pretty much nothing. you can put on a dog that's not cool slash funny, right? Yeah. I think most things on dogs are cool slash funny. Do your dogs wear things, Jesse, will they ever wear something?

My current dogs have not worn anything. My dog, Jr. will wear like a gentle leader-type collar that goes around his nose. because, you know, sometimes with dogs, if you're, if the leash is attached to their collar that goes around their neck, when they pull, they choke themselves a little bit, whereas if it's on their nose, as with a gentle leader, they will not pull because it turns their head instead of in, in like instinctually pushing, having them pull it forward like a, like a sled dog. Oh, I always thought that was to keep them from biting. See, those dogs frighten me. Now I know. That's the thing. Yeah. So people are, people, like if I take junior to the flea market, like three quarters of the people will just desperately want to pet him because he is adorable and the friendliest dog on earth. But the rest think he's wearing a muzzle and flip the fuck out.

Whereas he just wants to sexually harass them by sticking his nose forcefully between their legs up into whatever is. there. Sort of like the taint. It's like not into the bite whole area and it's not into the front area. It's like an up and in from behind kind of. It's precise. Yeah. So is that is that odor related? Because I always when a dog does that to me, I was, I'm the thing. I was like, do I need to change my underwear? Is there? I wonder about that. I will say this. The other day, and I'm not proud of this but the other day I was at home and I was using the bathroom

I was going number one Oh gross dude I don't want to get too vulgar here but I had a small misfire that affected the very voluminous shorts I was wearing just a small one and I wasn't going anywhere

doing anything and I did not change my pants right away. It was a knock spritz. Was that what you're saying? Yes. It was a that term before. It was a vet. And it was a, what did you say now?

Leader Hudson? He said, vener schnitzel. Who me? Yeah. I said nox spritz. Okay. It was a nox spritz. After spray.

And I don't know. I don't have one. Yeah. I mean, it just, it just once in a while it happens. And you just have to, you just have to deal. with it. And a few hours later, I was sitting on the couch and Junior was just going ape shit on my leg, just going nuts, like fucking snuffling my leg. And I'm like, what is your fucking problem, Jr.? And then I'm like, oh right, I peed on myself. Ah, the urine. It was

the urine all along. You weren't communicating something. I was teaching him a lesson about Who owns that leg? There you go. I guess. Do you guys want to take a break? I got to mark some shit around the apartment. Yeah, totally. We'll be back in just a second.

Let me mark some shit. Let everybody know who owns what. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll be back in just a second on Jordan, Jesse go. La, la, la, la, la. Hey, it's Sue the subway train. Hey, guess what, Sue?

I just inherited a game show. And I have to continue it. it because there are people out there who like to curl up into a ball and listen to it. Yeah, it's a podcast where listeners submit game show ideas for others to play on air. Well, it is. In fact, the dumber, the better. Right, right, it's called Dr. Game Show. Some curled up balls consider it a tradition, while others call it a train wreck. No, not you, Sue, it's Dr. Game Show.

If you're the sort that likes to listen to people competing for refrigerator magnets, and curl up into a ball and listen to Dr. Game Show every other Wednesday maximum fun.org Are you a five-star batty? If you answered yes, then Black People Love Paramore is the podcast for you. Contrary to the title, we are not a podcast about the band Paramore.

Black People Love Paramore is a pop culture show about the common and uncommon interests of black people in order to help us feel a little bit more scene. We are your co-hosts, Sequoia Holmes, Jewel Vicker. And Ryan Graham. And in each episode, we dissect a world. one pop culture topic that mainstream media doesn't associate with the black people, but we know that we like.

We get into topics like Gingerale, The Golden Girls, Black Romance, Uno, and so much more. Tune in every other Thursday to the podcast that's dedicated to helping Black people feel more seen. Find Black People Love Paramore on Maximumfund.org or wherever you get your podcasts. It's Jordan Jesse Go. Thorne, America's Radio Sweetheart. Jordan Morris, boy detective. Mary Roach, author and Shee Hulk. Before we go, will you tell me about these super pigs?

The super clean pigs. Yeah, they're super clean pigs. It's a super clean pig sty. That's a technical term, super clean. Because these are pigs that have to be super clean because they are growing organs for you and me. And so they don't want to have, you don't want them to have any viruses or things that they're passing along. Thank you pigs.

Thank you pigs. They're super clean. But you know what? If you actually look in the video of them and the pig stye, they're still peeing and pooping and, you know, I mean, it's very, very clean. It's very clean. It's very clean. It's sterile pig shit, basically, because their food is irradiated.

Are they growing ears on their back like that mouse from the TV news in the late 1990s? That didn't grow. Come on. Didn't grow an ear. It had like a. It's not a real. ear? It's not a real ear. No, they sort of stuck a form in there and the cells grew into it. It's called the vacanti ear. It has a name. Oh, wow. Okay. But it's not an ear. It's not. It didn't grow. It wasn't like, oh, there's a little bud and soon it will be a big ear. Oh. Like, yeah. I was pictured it was like the, there's a coil and sharp bit that we ran on the coil and sharp podcast many years ago where they, they interview this guy about whether he would be willing to grow sugar bowls out of its body. If he would split the money with them when they sold it.

He eventually agrees to it. But that's all I always figured what the ear was. Sugar bowls? Yeah, sugar bowls. They don't start with it. They say various useful things. There's something at the beginning and then eventually they get to the specific. Once they've got them on board, they eventually get to the specific that it's going to be sugar bowls.

I think they're like sugar bowls and ashtrays or something. Anyway, that's what I always figured was happening with those ears. but they just stick an ear there and then it's basically like... Yeah, like a form, like a collagen scaffold kind of deal, I think it was. And then the, you know, the skin kind of grows in. And anyway, it didn't suddenly sprout. It's like a research magazine, modern primitives thing where like a guy in San Francisco in the mid-1990s would like put something underneath his skin. Yeah, exactly.

Or the split penis that kind of. kind of. Yeah, it's like a split penis. Jordan, this is like, I mean, I don't mean to razz you, but this is like a split penis type thing. That's my favorite soup. Very hearty. Yeah. It's almost a meal.

If you have split penis. Give me a bowl of split penis. You don't really need anything else. A lot of fiber, a lot of protein. It's really good for you. Put a hamhawk in there. Better throw a hamhawk in there. You can't find it in Mexico City, though.

Yeah, hard to find it in Mexico City. are the split penis. The prestige. Mary, your book is called Replaceable You. Are you headed out on a world tour to promote this thing? As we record this, it is imminently to be released, but it will have been released by the time this runs on the podcast. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to be the usual.

Seattle, Portland, New York, Boston, I don't know, a bunch of other places. It's on Instagram author Mary Roach. Let me ask you this, though, Mary. Yeah. If people see that you're doing a book event in their area, like at a local bookstore or library or performing arts venue, they should not go because it will be a snooze, right? Like, it won't be super fun and funny and a great way to connect with one of their new favorite authors or old favorite authors and their fellow fans of literature. That's right.

It's going to be a total snooze. I would avoid it. At all costs. I will drone on. Can I just say, Mary, fuck you and fuck that. Because I think it's going to be great. And I think everybody should go. Do you like this?

I'm sort of working Jordan on like introducing some conflict into the show so that people get animated by it. There was some high tension. High tension there. Things have to be spicier on the show. Yeah. Go see Mary Roach. They're too generally pleasant. Buy a copy of Mary's book, Replaceable You.

because you could hardly have more fun reading a book than reading one of Mary's books. We say it every time. Every time Mary's got a new book out, we have her back on the show and we say it. We personally love her books. They're great. Never stop saying it.

Thank you. And you learn something. You haven't a couple of yucks. You can trust Jordan on this because Jordan reads a lot of books. And you can trust me on this because I don't read a lot of books. because I really pick and choose. I'm picky about which books I read. Jordan Jesse Go produced by Stephen Ray Morris.

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