Jordan, Jesse, GO! - Y Tote Mamá También, with Sam Sanders

Episode Date: August 7, 2025

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Give a little time for the child within you Don't be afraid to be young and free Under the locks and throw away the keys And take off your shoes and sex and run you It's Jordan Jesse Go I'm Jesse Thorne, America's Radio Sweetheart Jordan Morris Boy Detective Jordan I have some good news for you

I love that stuff I've defeated Paula Okay Finally Finally I have finally defeated Paula Let's go who are the Paula's Poundstone No these are most of the Pala's actually

Now that you, I have the first two paulas I thought of were Poundstone and some hell. Yeah, pretty good Pallas. Pretty good Pallas. Pretty good Pallas. What to do now that we're warmed up, we can do the show. Pretty good Pallas. So you know that I've been taking a swimming class down at the pool. That's right.

Down at the Lincoln Park pool. I'm dying to hear how it's been going. Well, it's a very interesting group, Jordan, because it's composed of a few people who had never been wet. one medium person me also probably a medium person we call yourself medium as far as how often you've been wet

yeah I think that's I think that's about right and then Paula Paula pretty much knew how to swim I think Paula was in the beginning class and so this this class can you describe the content of it a little bit this is like this is beginner class so look are you holding on to the side and kicking

we're talking about Saturday and Sunday 4 to 4.30 p.m. We're talking about sometimes a different instructor depending on who showed up that day, talking about a guy who says everything in the same

tone and cadence, sort of like the boss from office space. If the boss from office space was a 23-year-old from my neighborhood with a summer job as a lifeguard, a guy who is somehow, has slicked back hair without getting into the pool at the pool.

Right. Always wear sunglasses. I'm going to say initially 10 people in the class. This will, today was the last class. I think there was four. Only the strong survive. I think that's exactly what it is. And Paula.

Yeah, let's hear about this Paula character. Okay. So Paula was, I'm going to say, she's a very, medium human being I could see her now the way you paint with words she's a very I mean I noticed that

she's a white lady not that many white people in my neighborhood especially down at the community pool so we're talking about 35 year old white lady you know looked like she'd been to some dirty projectors concerts in her time but was not overly

that. You know what I mean? That was 10, 15 years ago for Paula. Now Paula, it just does accounts receivable, drives in and her accord, drives home in her record. Looking for hobbies. Anyway, the point is she was better at swimming than me, but she's not anymore because she fucking quit class because I defeated her. Hell yeah. Now I'm the best swimmer in my class that just ended. Was there some kind of like class race to cap things off? Everything. The The entire class was a race inside my mind. Oh, okay. Inside my mind, Jordan.

In here, it was all a race, Jordan. And I already knew that I had the people that had never been into pool, beat squarely. I mean, the thing about this, there's only theoretically a curriculum. This person has never taught a class of any kind ever in his life. I'm quite confident. Noticeably stoned? I feel like not cool enough to be stoned. If I could be frank, maybe drunk after, but.

Oh, another thing, another important thing that happened was the teacher thought there were two weeks left, but it was actually the last week. He just hadn't noticed. So he just crammed, crammed all the final stuff into one session. And then he just goes, he just goes like, he just says to us, uh, he goes so. we all thought there was two weeks left and then we got an email from HR or headquarters

and it said everything is in that cadence and it said there's only two classes left so we're going to move on from kicks so you think you might be you might be missing some swim some swim knowledge here's the thing I don't know anything about arms so you've just been doing kicks we just been doing kicks we did floats we did floats and kicks but the thing is is by the time we got to

additional kicks besides standard kick so you know standard kick flip flip flip flip flip flop yeah okay you know this our guest our guest Our guest on the program, by the way. I can't wait to hear what he has to say about swimming. He's the host of the Sam Sanders show. His name is Wesley Snipes the dog, joined by his good friend. His good friend, Sam Sanders. Hi, Sam.

Thank you for bringing your beautiful dog to our studio. He waited until you ID'd him to do his little floppy ear thing on the mic. Stephen, did we get the flops? Oh, it's going to be so good for ESMAR. Check up the flops and popes. I also, I apologize in advance. He was trying to get pets from you the whole time you were talking. Oh, no, no.

No, I'm loving petting him. He's very sleek and beautiful, and he has a cold little nose. He always needs a bath. Yeah. Literally, like, I take him to the vet and they're like, how often do you bat? I'm like, when he needs it, he's just an outdoor dog. Sam, you know what? Flip, flip, flip, flip, flip.

Swimming? So, yeah. It's funny. You know, you started talking about. I have a funny swimming lesson story. Okay, great. Let's hear it. When my brother and I were like 10 months apart, my brother and I,

10 months and 10 days apart, my parents had us back to back. When we're probably. The parents were doing the thing. They were fucking. Good for your parents. God bless it. Good for your parents. God bless it.

Love is really important and sex is the physical expression of love. They didn't care if we knew. They were like, I hope you know. Yeah. I hope you know how you got here. Your dad's like, I have an erection right now. I remember when my dad got to the point where like Viagra had to come into the mix. We all knew about it.

He told you? My mom told us all because she was a fucking jokester. I guess what we're going to get today. Anywho. swimming lessons when my brother and I were like seven and eight probably my mother was like y'all need to learn how to swim and i need to also learn because i never learned she grew up in birmingham alabama at a time when the pools were still whites only she was very working class poor and so there was not pool access or swimming lessons for her so i'll never forget the

image of my mother taking my brother and i to a children's swim lesson once a week for several weeks, a lot of small kids in the water, and then my mother right there. Your mom is, like, not signed up. She's just, like, listening in. She's like, I'm just auditing. She made it a point to be like, I'm the most eager student. She was, it was amazing. I bet she smoked those kids, too.

I bet she fucking destroyed them when it came time to relegaries, right? I don't know. Was Paula in your class? She was pretty good swimmer. Yeah, yeah. She was good at it and, like, funny and, like, all of the. the kids liked her. So by the end of like the routine of swimming lessons, she like, it made new friends.

Well, I can see why Mr. Sanders liked her so much. I got a lot of experience in my life. My mom went to graduate school when I was nine or ten. What she studied? Latin American studies. Okay. And she like, you know, single mom, so we did not have, and no babysitter money. So like, I just went to class with her when I was like nine or ten.

So I went to a lot of classes with my 40-year-old mom getting a graduate degree. And then my mom eventually, when I was in my late teens, became a junior college professor. And so I would go to her junior college classes in Santa Rosa. A lot of experience with an adult student. Love an adult student because you got your two main categories. All right. One is like, no, I'm going to say three categories. one is person did we get the flops did we get the flops we got the flops yeah one is like person who thanks to life circumstance did not go to college that's almost always the best student in the class

one is yeah because they want it one is love of lifelong learning yes that may be somebody that like they went to stanford but they're just they happen to live in santa rosa and they're probably a blowhard yeah well They're all right. Sometimes they're all right. Then there's local eccentric. And local eccentric just goes to college classes for whatever reason. Shits and giggles. Yeah. And is weird, says different stuff, but then also will just always bring an example from

their normal life, but the example from their normal life is always great. You're always excited to hear it because it's always about when they used to be a cab driver and they stabbed someone, or something like that. Okay. Like, or they just like, they'll just be like, oh, yeah, well, one time I was fucking Bruce Valanche and you'll be like, sorry, what? Like, it'll just be something amazing every time. When I worked at the deli, I cut my hand off.

Sam, are you still a swimmer, still a summer? What do you think about, okay, are you still a swimmer? What do you think of summer? Two questions. I will swim. Yeah. But usually I would prefer to be next to. the ocean next to the body of water, next to the pool, just like enjoying the sun and the

sound and the look of the water. Chill in the pool side. But when I get in the water, I can swim. Okay. I cannot float my entire life. I've never been able to float. I've tried in different waters across the world. Samuel.

You seem buoyant to me. You can't float either? I'm a bad floater. I learned that. I learned that in swim class. I failed floating. Is it a, do you think it's a center of gravity thing? Do you all share a similar?

I'm built like a Gumby. Maybe that's part of it. I've always thought of you as more of a pokey, but I'm more of a blockhead, Jordan. Are there any other Gumbie characters trying to think here? I need a pull. The dinosaur, what was the dinosaur's name? Stephen, help me. We had a judge, Sean Hodgman, about Gumbie a few months ago.

I watched an entire Gumbie. What a weird, boring show. Sure. Anyway, my legs fall down. If I'm not kicking, I can make my chest go. See, I will do. I'll do like a bow Like my head goes underwater

My feet go under water And I'm trying to push my pelvis up To stay up and it's like It's not working Yeah can't float Jordan you're probably super good Floating I don't want to be this guy

But yeah I'm amazing I'm amazing You should see me float You're basically a fucking Foam rubber mattress I'm so I'm so peaceful Yeah So you probably look at them

And that guy doesn't have a care in the world And when I'm floating You'd be right I want to find, and I know that there's some, like, there's probably a list of, like, saltiest bodies of water in the world. Right. I want to go to the saltiest one and see if I can float there because more salt, more float, right? More salt, more float.

That's what I always say. It could be the salt in my diet. Perhaps you guys just need to. Do you think it's because you go to a diner before you go to the swim? Yes, and I should say, give me crackers. Now I got a fact check myself because I don't want some. No, you're right, Sam. I don't want some science from being like, you know, not what you're talking about.

More salt, more float. That's why the. That's why the Dead Sea is where you can float really good. This is a thing. Like, imagine, they never would have found those scrolls if they'd turned down to the bottom. Yes, they were floating around up there. That's how they found the scrolls. What do you think of summer in general?

We have a concept on this show, the summer boy, where it's taking advantage of summer, enjoying all that summer has to offer. I'm a summer boy. You're a summer boy. LA is a perfect city to be a summer boy. It kind of is, yeah. On any given day in the summer? Maybe San Diego beats it a little bit, but go ahead.

There's more shit going on in L.A. You're right. There's going to be a DJ doing something open air. Yeah. There's going to be some food truck situation. You love a plane air disc. L.A. is going to show a movie and a place that it maybe shouldn't be shown, like a cemetery or other places.

There's just stuff to do. A burn ward in a hospital. Yeah. Yeah. There's just stuff to do. We all pack in for death becomes her. Like, L.A. people love to be outside, but like L.A. is like tailor-made for summer. Sure.

I know Sam that. I know Sam that you lived in Washington, D.C. when we're working for NPR. Good, Jesus. That is a nightmare. That is a nightmare. I spent a couple summers in Washington, D.C. My mother's from Washington, D.C.

Where in D.C? I don't know. Okay, you're supposed to know. It's your mother. Just make up a micro neighborhood. East Westburg. Yeah. East Westberg.

And then someone will not because they'll just think that's the one they don't know. Oh, yeah, good, good. Do you know that famous hot dog restaurant? Ben's chili bowl? Yeah, where the hot dogs are bad? It's a chili dog. Everybody has their own bad hot dog. bad hot dog. We have our own bad hot dog here.

Anyway, I think it's near there. All right. So, U Street. Yeah. All right. You street. Okay. So, Stephen has some information. The dinosaur is named Prickle. The dinosaur from Gumby is named Prickle. So let's go back. Everybody say what Gumbie guy they are and I'll go, and I'm Prickle.

Okay. And we'll all love it. Okay. I don't remember what guy I was. I'm Gumbie. No, I was a blockhead. Oh. And I'm Prickle. It's good. We went back. Thank God we went back for that. I want to pause on these coasters.

Oh, yeah. Let's talk about the coaster. There's a new, woven, knitted, max fun. I think these are crocheted. I'm going to say these are crocheted. I believe that our colleague KT made these. They're gorgeous. I believe KT made these. Studio gift.

No, that is not a studio gift. She's put a lot of work into that. So not so some asshole from KCRW can come. Oh, boy. I'm officially from Sam Sanders Productions. There you go. Okay. So here's my question, Samuel.

Yeah. She wouldn't mind if I had this. What is your job? Am I sure? What is your geographical context other than Washington, D.C., and Los Angeles? Were you originally in Angelino? No, I grew up in and around San Antonio, Texas. How were those summers?

Have you heard about the stars at night there? And I was in marching band, and because football is cane in Texas, South Texas, where I'm from, only the football team could use the football field, and that was like on games and like a few practices. So the marching band, we could only rehearse on the actual football field, like a handful of times. So did you have to do it in the parking lot? We were on a parking lot next to the football field in a hundred-degree weather on that black asphalt. Did tubas melt? Did you have any melted tubas?

There was always a clarinet who passed the hell out. Yeah, sure. Just bless them. Everyone thinks that the flutes and the piccolo's are the weakest of the margin made. They're the strongest. Really? You know who's weak? Clarenet's.

Never mess with the Piccolo players. Never mess with the Piccolo players. That's good advice. I bet we do have an in inordinately high percentage of listeners who were in marching band who are either agreeing with you or furious right now. Clarenet's, get at me. Sam, on your show, you talk about the pop culture issues of the day. Oh, Wesley.

Oh, are you shaking? You're also going to have white hair all over you, I apologize. Oh, no, thank you. Jordan, I want to talk about the pop culture issues of the day in a moment, but I think we need to recognize that Sam's dog is named Wesley Snipes. Can we get him on camera? He has a Wesley Snipes-ish build. Can he do a thumbnail face? Can Wesley Snipes do a thumbnail face like, what did I just see?

Here he goes. That's your camera. That's your camera. Show the camera of your penis, Wesley. Do a thumbnail face like you just ate everything at the cheesecake factory, and you can't believe it. I once, Sam, in Washington, D.C., met Wesley Snipes, the professional actor. Was he paying his taxes or not at that time? This was before he stopped paying his taxes as a sovereign citizen.

My Aunt Claudia's brother was his hairdresser. Wasn't that much hair. That was one of the remarkable things about this career. that he had he was he when when I say he was his hairdresser I don't mean that Wesley Snipes would go to him to get his haircut I mean that he was a professionally his career was Wesley Snipes hairdresser he just went around with Wesley Snipes making sure Wesley Snipes's fade was right damn or whatever right I wouldn't pay my taxes either if he was on my salary yeah it's a big expenditure exactly you giving this guy health care I know

Goddare. So this has been shared on the program before. It's been many years. I went to meet Wesley Snipes because I was visiting my Aunt Claudia. I was staying at her house. And Wesley Snipes was shooting the film Murder at 1600. An action adventure film set a tense action adventure film set at the White House. So they were shooting exteriors like at the Washington Monument, I think.

And Claudia was like, we are going to go meet Wesley Snipes. And I was like, great, fantastic. I mean, I was not a big, whatever, New Jack City nine-year-old, but I was excited. We went and met Wesley Snipes, shook hands. It was very nice to us. It was great, you know, met Claudia's brother and everything. Hey, Mom. Two or three days later, movie raps.

And Claudia went to the rap party, left me at home. Didn't take you? I was too young to go to the rap. How old? I was too. I was like 10. You'd have been a hit. Yeah, you had been.

Ten-year-olds love an open bar. I might have been 12 or 13. You would have been the 10-year-old who, like, dances in the middle of the circle while all the old drunk folks are like, yeah. Get this kid some more shrimp cocktail. No. What was that a Hollywood rap party? The shrimp cocktail was alcoholic. Yeah.

What was that a Hollywood rap party in 1993, 94? Probably shrimp cocktail, right? Yeah, probably shrimp cocktail. I went to one rat party in my life. I'll tell you after. Okay. So it's, it's, she goes to the rap party without me. She comes home.

And I think you're right. 93, 94, I'm like 12 or 13. Yeah. So she comes home, you know, it's late, whatever. The next morning, she says, oh, Jesse, how'd you do or whatever? I'm fine. And I say, how did the party go with Wesley Snipes? And she looks at me, she goes, oh, honey, Wesley Snipes gave me a hug.

As soon as I got home, whew, panties to the ceiling. Oh, no. Fanny's to the sea lady Hell yeah It's a lot of man How tall is he? How tall is he? She was a cool lady I don't know, that's a good question

He's a lot of man Let's get a producer Yeah, let's Steven, I'm sorry, I called you Brian there I apologize I know, listen we've had a lot of guys in here That's our ex-prudicist Our ex-producer and you know

Brian we love you Brian we love you too We're sorry congratulations You guys have upcoming child Hey, really? Check it out. Way to go. Brian Sunny D.

Y'all wouldn't miss this. The coaster. We would. KT counts these things. KT was in the military. You don't want to mess it with her. I do really well with military personnel. She knows how to opera.

Sam. The pop culture issues of the day. I think we talked about this the last time you were on the show, but I'd like to hear it now in 2025. What are the takes? that you display that people find the spiciest? People are always surprised when I tell them that I am someone who was obsessed with TV, movies, books, music, internet, all the things. But I'm also obsessed with, like, managing my smartphone addiction. Okay.

I spend a lot less time on my phone than you would think, if you heard me on my show. Okay. How, what are the techniques you've, you've used to limit the smartphone looking at? I've gone through, compulsive masturbation. Yay! You know, books are great, like an actual book. Sure. A Kindle, a physical book, whatever it is.

But also, I try to gamify my iPhone usage. So there's an app called brick where you can, like, tap your phone against the brick, then it locks certain apps until you tap it again. So if it's on your fridge and you tap it before you leave the house, you can't get on those apps. Oh. I guess you can't do you get back. That sounds handy. Doing that for a while.

Then I found a way how to outsmart it. So you're a brick and bro? I was brick until I figured out how to break the brick. But now I'll keep track of my screen time today. Bricks broke. And I'll compare screen time with friends of mine. Pola Pallopalstone. Sorry.

I'll just hide my phone. Yeah. There's some nights where I'm like, I don't need the phone with me as I get ready for bed so the phone stays in the car. Okay. I like that. Or walking the dog, don't bring your phone. I like to get drunk and throw it. You just get drunk, you throw it?

Yeah. And then you're so. Will it float? You're so good. Will it float? Is it cake? Yeah. No, but it's like this constant tension because I think that like the central question under all of my pop culture coverage, whether it's talking with journalists or comedians or interviewing creatives that are making this stuff, is like how do we entertain ourselves in the midst of the never-ending onslaught of all of the world's information in the smartphone that lives in our back pocket? it every second of every day.

Yeah. It's disorienting. I agree. On the other hand, I somehow still don't know how tall Wesley Snipes is. You haven't Googled this show? He's 5'9. 5.9, that's all. That's not that tall. That's an average.

That's a little bit above average. Actors are short. Most of the men that we love on screen, they're short. Sure. Yeah. Anywho, all this to say, like, I am this, like, push and pull of, like, wanting all of the culture and, like, really trying to keep a distant and remove. unhealthy from like being a slave to the device i um i am a like hard copy book hard copy comics guy

and jorne you put them you put them away you put those hard copies you put those hard copy texts away you take care of business on those things yeah much much much you're a reader you read them oh sure i thought you were trying to do a bit where i ate books and i was better than burning them i was about to yes and you on it it's like yes i love them let's keep this going how do you see it in your book uh oh yeah we just you know here you got to have the kosher Salt. You have to co-cha salt. It gives you a pop. Right. Yes. I like textures. But I had to read an out-of-print comic for something. I'm like, well, I'll read this digitally. And then I'll go back to my beloved hard copies. I was reading this comic digitally. No. It was so fucking good. The digital comic reading

is so good. Which device are you on? I was just doing it on an iPhone and I had a goddamn blast. And I'm like, I need this. I need this out. I need this. I need this out. I need the digital. app off my phone because yeah because I I do feel like if I start reading on my phone it will turn into a flip between apps things and I won't ever retain anything like my thing and you probably both do this because you were consumers of culture I will be watching a short form video or reading a thing or whatever thing I need to Google a fact about a thing in question then I end up in the Wikipedia what's their instant profile Reddit rabbit hole right of just discovery and then it's

12, 23 a.m. And I can tell you all of Cindy Lopper's number one hits and when they charted in the 80s. Right. It's like, Sam, how did you get here? Why are you here? This is not like you wanted to read a book. Yeah. So that, like, it's, it's, it's, it's, I want to use these devices to enjoy pop culture,

but I don't like it when the device itself sends me on a scavenger hunt to nowhere, which can easily happen on these things. My daughter gets mad at me because I always want to know who that guy is. Yes, you'll be watching the show and you're like, who's that guy? Who's that guy? What's he from? I was watching El Mariachi today. Yes.

Which I had never seen before. This is a movie? This is Robert Rodriguez's first movie. He famously made for $7,000. And as I was watching it, all I wanted to know, I was so desperately wanted to know who that guy was. For every guy, I'm like, is this guy, is this a guy that was in other things? Is the guy that's famous?

Yes. Do I know who this guy is? What about this lady? Do I know like a gray-haired eminence gris version of this actor? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I didn't look them up. I didn't look them up until after the movie.

I was so proud of myself. See, but I get scared that if I don't look it up now, I forget to look it up later. And it's like, Sam, you must have this information. You have to know. You have to, you know. It's a lot. You're going to end up becoming a public radio host, Sam. Oh, God.

Like this thirst for knowledge. But, like, there's so much useless knowledge in my goddamn brain. Unlike the useful shit that's on public radio. It's all. Very useful. Let's do this. I'm going to take action tomorrow to change the conflict in the Middle East personally. Let's do this.

Let's take a break. Let's find out how many original soundtrack Cindy Lopper wrote songs for. And then we'll come back with a little bit more. I don't even know a second Cindy Lopper hit. What's a second Cindy Lopper hit? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. She's so unusual. It wasn't amazing.

She Bob? Time after time. Time after time. Time after time was like my. favorite song when I was like five. Such a good song. The theme from Pewey's play. All through the night. We're since solo of the 80s, but a great song. Do you think we could become friends with her?

She's still out there. She was doing Broadway musicals for a while. You brought out your phone for a second. I was like, I thought you were going to be like. Cindy, girl. Hey, hold on. I, guys, I transitioned perfectly into the break. I transitioned perfectly into the break. And now we're Googling things. We'll be back in just a second. Respect by perfect transition. It was perfect. It was perfect.

It was perfect. But now I have to tell you all of the charting singles. from her breakout album. She's so unusual. Yes. Jordan Jesse Go. Yes. saying like, including this episode? Yeah, including this episode.

Yeah. Including this one. Breaking news, buddy. Includes this one. News flash coming in hot. Is that what that noise is? Yeah, it's the word news. It's just very fast.

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You can hear our great bonus episodes. For instance, the hit series podcast, movie, movie podcasts, and sometimes you talk about shows. My daughter, Grace, has announced that she's already planned. She's not been greenlit for this. She's already planned out season two of Gracie's Game Gauntlet. It's called Gracie's Game Gauntlet Modern Mania. Right. This is newer.

This is a sequel series or maybe a spiritual sequel. Yeah. to the series we did last year where Grace, your daughter, made us play terrible video games. Yeah. And she is, I think, I can't tell which one begat which one, but she either wanted to name it Modern Mania for this reason or she started with the idea of having a Halloween episode about a spooky game called Gracie's Game Gauntlet Modern maniac. Right. I think maybe she might make us play the nightmare on Elm Street Nintendo game.

Oh, I played that as a kid. Jesse, it's bad. Unplayable! Why would they make that into a Nintendo game? I don't know. They just made everything into a Nintendo game. You're not even allowed to stab on a Nintendo game. Yeah.

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You purchased a Bugatti, I believe. They weren't making the Prius C anymore, the compact one, so I had to go with the Bugatti. Yeah, it's a coop. It's a coop. It's also a coop. It's also a coop. But anyway, the point is that when you buy a car, it is a big investment and you don't want to feel like you are wandering through the woods.

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Hey, Jesse, we're headed up to the Bay Area to do a show. That show sold out. Yeah. Did you hear that I had to tell my mom that there wasn't room for her? Sorry, Judy. No room for you. But if you do want to see me in the Bay Area, you can do it that weekend at Cape and CowlCon. That is a...

Wait a minute. Where's that, Alameda? That's at Faction Brewing in Alameda. Oh, right there in Alameda. Right there in Alameda. It is a free Comic-Con. All sorts of cool folks are going to be there. There's beers.

There's comics. Come say hi. It's going to be a blast. August 24th. Find out more information at Cape and Cowell Comics.com. Jordan, you know, you're going to love Alameda. Am I? I've never been to Alameda.

I'm so excited. What do I wear? Jordan. What? It's a little island. Oh, my God. A little island? Yeah, it's a little.

I mean, you can just drive there. It's not a big deal. Sure. It's a little island. Can I, while I'm there, will I, can I be on island time? I think you're pretty much always on island time. Yes. Yes.

I mean, I've known you a long time, Jordan. Yeah. I think you're on island time. Okay. See you in Alameda. I know there's a my tie in that cup. Sure. Oh, yeah.

Cooler cup. This isn't water. We'll be back in just a second on Jordan Jesse Go. It's Jordan Jesse Go. I'm Jesse Thorne, America's Radio Sweetheart. Jordan Morris, boy detective. Sam Sanders, world's most preeminent free tote bag connoisseur. Okay.

So what was it that we were, what is it was it that we were going to get an update on after the break here. Cindy Lopper's songwriting. I have been obsessed with her seminal hit time after time since forever. I love how many covers there are of it.

I love the way that like really sensual black R&B singers love to cover this fucking song. Can I just say, I want to say this about time after time. I'm worried that there's people out there saying, Jesse, I thought your favorite song when you were five years old was jump

for my love by the Pointer Sisters. Yes, it was, but they didn't have that in the jukebox at Maria's restaurant down the street from my house, aka Dollar Breck, so-called, because you could get breakfast for a dollar. That's a neutron dance. I don't remember that at all. That's a Pointer Sister song. It's great. All this to say, I actually did an entire podcast episode about her song all through the night,

because even though it comes from what I think is a perfect album, She's so unusual, which gave us hits like Girls Just Want to Have Fun, Time After Time, She Bob, and a great Prince cover called When You Were Mine, all through the night. She covered When You Were Mine? Yeah. I could get into that. It's not bad. I knew that she was like, she was like buds with pets, right? Oh, yeah.

And you can hear it, you know. But all through the night, a top 10 single for her from this album, I think it's one of the worst synthesizer solos of the 80s. And I had my friend Charlie Harding at the music podcast, Switched on Pop, doing an entire. episode about that solo wow that's a real that's you really but that's because an internet wormhole one night took me to Cindy's Wikipedia page and then boom I'm obsessed with this thing can we hear about your being a tote bag connoisseur what's the greatest tote bag you own I mean in general it is uh ones that can close if it has a Velcro if it has a zipper if it has a little magnet no you know like a little magnet I've got one with the little magnet I'm

like I like this little magnet okay okay I like a little magnet okay I like a little a Velcro situation. Okay. I'm this close to getting adult Velcro shoes. Is that weird? Can I do that? You can do that. I hate tying shoes.

Get some ask you. You know what? Yeah. I think you've got enough joie de vivre, enough Junisiquois. I'm trying, man. Enough good looks,

enough charisma to wear SAS comfort shoes like nurse shoes. Do you know what SAS stands for? San Antonio shoes. Really? It's a shoe factory in San Antonio. Wow. And all of the nuns at my Catholic school growing up, St. James Catholic, wore S-A-S shoes.

And we had a field trip one year to the shoe factory. Is this the most fun facts we've ever had in an episode? We should book more public radio hosts. Yes. Facts that are fun. Yeah. Yeah. I would, honestly, I should rock some S-A-S Velcro shoes in honor of Sister Kathleen.

Hey, girl, I hope you're doing good in heaven. That'd probably be great for your back. I don't know how your back's doing these days. I mean, it's my back is middle-aged like the rest of me. Sam, how many nuns in your time have you addressed with, hey, girl? So, the Catholic had a tight relationship because I ended up going to a Catholic university in San Antonio, which had a nursing home attached to it, which a lot of the older nuns in the area went to to retire. So when I was an undergrad at University of the Incarnate Word, I reconnected with my fourth grade Catholic school teacher. sister Kathleen at the retirement home next to my campus.

I know. Beautiful things. I'm sure she's dead down. When you say reconnected romantically? I just was like, thanks. You taught me how to read. And how was her back? I mean, listen, she was sitting down.

She was sitting now. Okay. How was her neck? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. And I have two more questions after that. Wesley, cover your ears. Wesley.

Um, he's old enough to hear this. There's worse things on the local news. Man, I was at the, uh, I was at the, uh, movie museum, uh, the Academy Museum. Do you like it? No, I don't. I like that they show movies there. I've been, I've only seen movies, but I have not been to the museum part. It's wholly unremarkable.

I mean, I'm not saying don't go to it, you know, if you're in, if you're visiting town, but it's, it's incredibly self-a-grandadess. And you can just stroll over the Libreya Tar pits, the greatest museum that mankind has ever created. So I was at that museum with my child because my child was willing to go. Anytime my children are willing to go do something, I got to do it. That's why I go to Little Tokyo. You're a nice dad. My parents were not like that.

They were like, eh, we don't want to do that. You probably wanted to leave the house. That's the thing. So it's a sort of role reversal. So I desperately want to leave the house and do anything. So whatever it is that they want to do, I'm in. But I was in the gift shop. of that museum.

Overpressed. And the fucking Pedro Ladovar tote bags were on sale. It was so hard for me not to buy an ablaconea, like, fucking tote bag. Tote me up, tote me up. But how much was that? That's a question.

They were like, I mean, first of all, I want to say that they were high quality prints. They were very handsome. Eat tote, mama, they were color. You guys could try a little harder with this. I'm out here.

By myself. Out of it working. Out of it work it. They were full color. We're not talking to just a full color print on a otherwise generic tote bag. The tote bags themselves were colored in a scheme. I mean, as you would imagine, they reflected an Almodovar-esque aesthetic. Yeah.

No apartment wall shall be left uncolored in a Pedro Almodovar movie. And I'm going to say that they were $12.50. That's all. You got to buy it Incredible value I've seen tote bags I've got to get the whole filmography I've seen tote bags

going for 80, 90 bucks You're $12 Come on my dude Understand this Understand this I want to I need to make more time I need to make more time

In my life to spend With my Erica Badu tote bag That says baglady Oh that's good That's a good toot And I don't get It barely gets out But you can rotate

And cycle through your tots Man You don't wear the same shirt Every day You put up the winter tots You take down The spring tots As I tell

people in my life. Every toe tells a story. There you go. Eric Badu. I regret very deeply. I was at the flea market and there was an Erica Badu t-shirt that she had had on tour. It was like a tour t-shirt. And it said, I stuck a crystal up my ass at the Erica Badu concert and all I got was this lousy t-shirt. And I should have probably bought that. I love her. My favorite musical moment of Eric, but I've never seen her live. Regret that. But her set on Dave Chappelle's concert documentary, Chappelle's block party, is incredible. She's doing the set, and then a halfway through, I guess she gets hot. She yanks that wig off.

It's incredible. So my wife and I went to see her here in Los Angeles two years ago, maybe, here or two ago. And I have to say, like, as somebody who was a little skeptical, like, Erica became famous when I was, like, 16. I was a little skeptical. I'm 44 years old. So I was a little skeptical of Erica because the whole thing with onks and snapping instead of clapping and shit was on pretty heavy.

And she got so famous so fast. A neo-so coffee shop stick that everybody was doing for a second. Exactly. And I was like, no, no, no. I only like DeAngelo. But I was wrong. Totally wrong. I figured it out pretty quickly there out.

By the second album I had figured it out. But like something that has happened to me as an adult man, I would say since my mid-30s, is I've become deeply horny for Erica Badu in a way that I was not as a teen, like not that she's always been a good-looking lady and everything, but like I think just at the point where she started like being a doula while wearing ice grills,

I got super horny for Erica Badu, and I was at that concert with my wife. Like, I hope my wife can't tell how horny I am for Erica Badu right now. You can tell your wife, she'd probably like, yeah, we all are. Is Erica Baddhubu? I hope my head doesn't turn into a wolf head? No. She strikes.

Why I wear this suit suit? She strikes me as one of those people, and this, I see it happen the most and most friendly and beautifully with, like, women in my life who, like, reach, middle age or whatever thereafter and just say I don't give a fuck

I'm doing me and that them doing them is like it radiates it radiates and think about how few fucks she gave previously exactly

think about the extent to which she was doing her throughout yeah she's just a free spirit like spirits that free only have good sex one time

she's not having bad sex one time there was a New Yorker article about Erica Badu that maybe Caliphasaana wrote or something I think about it all the time because my takeaway from this Erica Badu article is Erica Badu has children with the DOC and Andre 3000 and she I don't think she's got she doesn't have a child with common but she dated common for quite some time she's a guy got she's got all

these different kids by all these different dads they all just come to her house to hang out because they're all still in love with her she she puts it on them that is like I want to, to the best extent that I can, embody life at Erica Badu's age, the way that she does. All her exes still love her. Everyone still gets along. She's a doula with the grill. She's still making music.

She's still iconic. She's funny on social media. She's got it. What's your favorite Erica's song? The dula thing really, hmm. You know, I used to not like, when I first heard the New America album, I was like, or you could just write a song. But then I completely changed a round on that.

And now I'm like, those are my favorite ones. Like maybe if I was going to say a song, I might say penitentiary philosophy. Okay. But I love all Erica songs now. And also, I think maybe part of this, speaking of my Aunt Claudia, my Aunt Claudia became a Dula at some point. Really? Then she became a midwife.

Okay. Big, she was a big advocate. for like if you were if it's if the year is 2010 and you are a black lady who's a dula there is no greater hero in America to you than Erica Badu so like the Erica thing got turned on full by Claudia Booker so yeah her her dulaness really kicked it up kicked things up a notch I chased her for a while when I was still doing reported pieces at NPR because I think Dallas magazine it just profiled her

and her doula work and I was like this would be a great radio story I chased her I meant by chase it's like emails of phone calls to some publicists for months

never got anywhere she doesn't even have a publicist now we've been trying I've been trying to book her for so long and we will like email a publicist and they'll be like yeah I mean I was her publicist

like 20 years ago but then she was just like just fucking they're like we literally got an email back from an official publicist who had actually been her publicist

who was just like Like, I don't know, I guess just DM or on Instagram. I was going to say what happens. She's on Instagram. But Dallas Magazine got it? This was maybe 10 years ago. Okay. This is like a magazine that they would give you if you stayed at like the Dallas Hampton Inn?

I don't know, girl, but they got out. I'll never forget reading this. John's not a nun, okay? Watch your tone, Sam. Please, sister. Hey, girl. We're trying to book right now. We're using the send a DM on Instagram.

technique to try and book Elda Barge. Hey, okay. Yo. And my cousin Azulea, Claudia's daughter, I posted like, there was like a video on

Elda Barge's Instagram and I reposed it to my stories and said like, Elda Barge, please go on Bullseye. Because I love Elda Barge and he's got an unbelievable life story, obviously. So I'm like, I got to talk to Eld DeBarge of DeBarge. my cousin

messaged me she goes yeah sometimes I message with Elda Barge he always I love him she says

he always reads my messages and sometimes he replies and I was like apparently Azalea can get an email

can get a message back from El De Barge I don't know if this is something we're going to want to cut out of the episode but you know who else

you can book via DM Sam Sanders Oh yeah you can book Sam I don't listen I don't want to I hope people don't flood your

DMs wanting you to come on there. You know, Baywatch Recap podcast or whatever. Why not? My issue is not so much the DMs because I can just ignore them or not. My issue is, and this is, I think, just like a phenomenon of like coastal urban cities with like large populations of gay male professionals, I end up in so many gay men's close friends on Instagram and then they're showing me things close to nude. And I'm like, I think I met you at like a work event.

once. I know I can see the cutters. Gay men are so thirsty on close friends. Stoddi-a-a-di. Now that's it. I don't stop it. No, it's fine. No.

I'm just like, wow, that happened. But like, literally, like, it happens so much. Maybe I'm not on close friends with anyone. I'm not realizing now. A dear friend of mine told me, he said,

if you're a gay man, close friends is a drive-by. That's a shot you didn't expect. Okay. It's a shot you didn't expect. Jordan, you're my close friend. Thanks, Jesse. Oh, you're a close friend.

Let me see those gutters. Should we take some calls? Let's take a call. So, Sam, just for your context, obviously, it's been a while since we've seen you. On our show, a lot of people think we just come in here and sit down and talk about something and then just like we have a kind of like aimless description of my swim class for a few minutes and then introduce a guest and ask them if they're like summer or whatever. But the reality is that we're really hardworking.

and creative guys who come up with ideas for segments all the time. So, like, a lot of times when somebody calls in, it might sound like they just wanted to call in and tell us something. But then at the end, they said, oh, this is for your segment, blah, blah, blah, to describe it, just to fit it into the show. But actually, no, we did a lot of work. And so we thought of the segment. So it's not just, it's not how it sounds. No, we work really hard. So this is an example of our hard work coming to fruition.

Hi, Jordan, Jesse, and guest. I'm going to say... comics author Alan Moore. Close. I'm calling in for your recurrent segment. I met a person associated with Max Fun in the past. I was working at my job as a Broadway stagehand when I saw an electrician wearing a Max Funcon shirt. And I said, hey, I like your shirt.

And she said, yeah, I worked. I helped to organize every Max FunCon. He met Mario Reyes. He used to work with Jesse when he made. made the Put This On videos, which I told her were super important to my early style journey. Anyway, Mariel says hi, and comedies, rat boys are probably Griffin Newman, Chris Gethardt, and I don't know that I have a third one right now. Love you guys. Bye.

Love you, too. Two is pretty good. First of all, hi, Mario. Hi, Mariel. I love you, buddy. Yeah. Love seeing those pictures of your kids. I know we should respond to the call, but I have a Dallas magazine update.

Listen. I've Googled Dallas Magazine. You know what comes up? First of all, I don't know if they've changed their name, but it is now D Magazine. Hey, hey. Are you sure you're not talking about Sam Sanders close friends on Instagram? My Instagram close friends is a D magazine. What?

That's because they got sued by a magazine about the television show Dallas. Here's some recent articles from D Magazine. Paul Quinn, college professor, becomes college's first Fulbright U.S. scholar. And, Jordan, don't read Dallas Magazine if you don't want to find out who shot J.R. I found out the hard way. And of course, the article, let's learn about tarantulas. Because we need to. What is this?

A public radio show? Now I've got to find this article. You can find this all in the D. I got to find this article. Anyway, something momentous happens to you. I don't know. This guy ran into Mario, our former coworker Mario. Hi, Mario.

I'd love to hear about more. She and her wife have a beautiful child. That's wonderful. I'd love to hear about more run-ins with people we've met. She worked for the Blue Man group for a long time. Like a long time. That's a fun game. Like a long time.

So did I. Like 10 years. Wait, really? What did you do for the Blue Man group? My first PA job in L.A. was for a Blue Man group video. And I had to clean the white cycle when they would sweat. blue blue onto it Wow it was and I had to drive one of them back to their hotel and so I sat in

45 minute traffic did they talk they did talk yes drummed a pipe the whole time are they nice what's their vibe they were very nice they seemed very tired because it's that thing where other people actually do it and the the real guys are like in the office now okay so yeah Jason Siddakis try that was a thing that came up on Bulls I was Jason Sadecas was in I remember he was in it or he got, or he, like, got a bunch of callbacks and then didn't get it. He's a physical actor? He was a drummer.

Shut up. Yeah. Good on him. We love to hear, you don't think, like, we have some friends who we used to do sketch comedy with, not in our sketch comedy group. We used to do shows with them. It's brilliant sketch duo called Ten West. And one of those guys retired from show business and went. became a farmer.

Yeah. And the other one was knocking around doing different stuff. But then they got cast in fucking Cirque du Soleil. One of them got cast in Cirque du Soleil. Brought the other one back into the game. He got into Cirque du Soleil. Now they've been in Cirque du Soleil like six or seven years. Hell yeah.

Just going around doing different Cirque du Soleiles all the time. Love it. This is so weird. It's a weird thing. This is a weird business. I love Vegas. I go a lot. I like the shows there.

I've never been to a search. show because my, one of my worst secret fears is that someone falls to their death at a Cirque show that I'm at. And you're like a little too drunk. And I'm like that. To help. What are your Vegas shows then, if not a Cirque? I have been going to Vegas for years is my favorite.

Rich Little, rich little, usually. You alternate between Rich Little, the man of a thousand voices, and George Wallace, the king of Las Vegas. No, I want to say there was one time years ago did a one-two punch of Saline. one night and J-Lo the other night. Both great shows for different reasons. Saline is actually quite funny. Did you get the bends from that huge change of vibe?

It was a lot. But that was many years ago. Silk Sonic I saw in Vegas. Anderson Park and Bruno Mars. Oh, yeah, sure. Showmen. They would, they did choreo. Oh, you're telling me those guys are showmen?

Yeah, they would do the choreo, then they would sing, and they would hop between all the instruments. That seems like a project made to have a Vegas show. Those guys turn any room there in into the Sahara Desert just from their sheer thirst. I've seen Katie Perry there, but like the tour that was fun where the whole shtick is like she's in Alice in Wonderland kind of and like she's on psychedelics. I would assume all Katie Perry's are fun. This new one looks weird. I'm not going to see the new one.

But all this to say, I love shows. I love going to Vegas. I love saying now when I go to Vegas, I like to stay off strip because then you get two experiences, the on-trip experience and the off-strip kind of weird experience. Oh, love it all. Are you a gambler? No. I want people watch. I want to go.

I want to go to a fancy restaurant because they got some good restaurants there. And I want to kind of be mildly buzzed slash drunk the whole time just walking around and people watching. When I went to Las Vegas, just spent the time with Roman Mars just trying to find the most expensive restaurants we could possibly eat in because we do not drink or gamble. So there is nothing else to spend. our money on. But the thing that I remember was I thought, I am in Las Vegas. I'm going to go see fucking Siegfried and Roy or whatever it was. I can't remember what it was. There was something that was going on on the strip and I'm like, I'm going to go to that. It's going to be great because they're going to want me to gamble. But I don't gamble. So I'm going to get to see

a classic Las Vegas. But the tickets were like $500. They were like more expensive than they are in Los Angeles. Yeah. I saw a shitty RuPaul's Drag Race show there a while back. But one of the high points, and I had forgot to say this earlier,

I saw you two at the sphere. No. I don't even like you to do that much. You saw the both of us at the sphere? Hey. What did we say that? Anyway, sorry. I just, I shouldn't have said it.

SF Sketch best in Las Vegas editions. I liked it. But yeah, the sphere is where it's at. I want all my favorite artists to end up at the sphere. It's wonderful. Yeah. I got to.

Beyonce in the sphere. The last time I stayed in Las Vegas, my room was overlooking. That sounds like what an evil wizard would say. So I can sap her powers in the eternity. How crazy in love are you now, my pretty? The last time I stayed in Vegas, my room was overlooking the sphere. And it was so much fun to look at. I could look at that thing.

Because it changes the images all the time. It becomes a big smiley face for a second. It can come to smiley face. And sometimes there's a halo guy on there. I know. It's so cool. I love it to see the guy. Oh, Vegas.

Capitalism, yeah. When something momentous happens to you, give us a call at 206-9-84-Fund, fun, or just send us a voice memo at JJGo at maximum fun.org, just like this person did. And here is what they have to say now about what happened to them play. Hey, Jordan, hey Jesse, hey Stephen. And guest, about time for another Nick Adams repeat, I guess. This is Nick calling in from Boise, Idaho, with a momentous occasion. The other weekend we were downtown getting free ice cream in the plaza,

and into my view walks 10 to 12 toddlers attached to each other. I can only describe it as dog sled style. There was a central leash that was being held at the front and the back by two, I guess, daycare employees. And then each kid had a little leash wrapped around their waist attached to that central leash. And they were in rows, like one on the left, one on the right, in rows. And they were just walking around like that. Yeah, it was incredible. All right.

Love you, bye. Eating raw meat out of a bowl on the ground. What's the word you say to the mash, mush, mush. Yeah, mush, mush, mush, mush, mush, mush, there you go, mush. I love when I see little toddlers with, like, the backpack that's secretly a leash. Oh, yeah. It's always so cute. Just a fun backpack.

It's great. I support it. Have you guys ever read The Call of the Wild by Jack London? I believe so. Yeah, I think I'm, I think high school and junior high. We had a couple of dog adventure books we had to read. I was reading this at my cabin with one of my kids a year or two go. And

You know why that's such your famous book? Because it's fucking amazing Dude, it's so exciting These dogs are fucking ripping each other apart It's really brutal and intense It should not be read to children Damn Yeah, it was fucking great

Kids books are bleak Kids movies are bleak The ratio of kids' movies Where a parent dies early on Is disturbing They're preparing you For the eventual death of your parents Yeah

Yeah I feel like they need need to have a reason that the child has agency and a thing to do. What if we just had a society that said children are humans and they have agency just because they exist? No, no, no, no. Look, Sam, when my kid was four years old, four years old, he said he was a dog. Do I call him a dog now, Jordan?

It's a little something called political satire. Oh, I get it. I love it. called political satire. Things, the category is things people say to Jesse. Things people say to Jesse. 206-984-4-Fund, J-J-Gow at MaximumFun.org. Children should have agency.

They know who they are. We'll be back in just a second on George, Jessica. Jackie Cachian, hi, and welcome to the maximum fun.org podcast, the Jackie and Lori show. We talk about stand-up. comedy and how much we love it and how much it enrages us. We have a lot of experience and a lot of stories and a lot of time on our hands. So check us out.

It's one hour a week and we drop it every Wednesday on maxima fun.org. Hello, internet. I'm your husband host, Travis McElroy. And I'm your wife host, Teresa McElroy. And this is a promo for Schmaners. It's extraordinary etiquette. For ordinary occasions. Every week, we're going to tell you about a bit of culture, a bit of history, how

how etiquette still applies in the modern day, all that stuff. We also love to do biographies and histories of and, you know, general procedurals. How to do etiquette in today's society. So come check it out every Friday on maximum fun.org or wherever you find your podcasts. Manners Schmanners. Get it? It's Jordan Jesse Go. I'm Jesse Thorne, America's Radio, sweetheart. Jordan Morris, boy, detective. Sam Sanders.

I need a funny... You could just use the old one, the tote bag thing? Oh, yeah. Use it again. It's good. Toteback connoisseur. There you go. How did your dog get the name Wesley Snipes?

Is he named after someone? You know, there's an actor named Wesley Snipes. But my thing for naming dogs, I will tell you, I just go through the alphabet till I say a name that has a nice ring to it. So my first pit bull, Zora, when I got her, my roommates went with me. and they were like, you gotta name it. And I was like, just start going through names and they're going through A, B, C, D, E names. I was like, those suck.

I was like, start with Z. One of them said Zora, and I was like, okay. Then in post, she became Zora Nile Hurston because we love Zora Nile Hurston. Right. Same with Wesley, started the alphabet from the bottom. Like, oh, Wesley sounds fun. He feels Wesley.

And I was like, I need to name him after, like, a famous Wesley that we all like Snipes. I didn't walk into the situation with, like, an extraordinary love of Wesley Snipes. I love them like we all do, but it wasn't, he's not like an icon of my life. I tried to book Wesley's name on Bullseye one time. That did not work.

I would love to hear you talk about. If you're wondering whether that worked, Jordan, didn't work. Didn't work. It was when he had a network television show. Do you remember this? Oh, what was the show? This was like after he got out of jail. We're not paying his sex.

People may not remember, but Wesley Snipes participated in a thing called being a sovereign citizen, which is where you declare yourself independent of the United States and you become a citizen of a world. Was this tied to, like, being like a five percent or some shit? It was adjacent. Okay. So I think most deaf did this at some point, too. But anyway, it's like a thing where you believe that the laws of the federal government don't apply because of something.

There's a, an important part of it is something about the Constitution as well. So it's like something that both NGE guys and also, like, guys who wear sports sunglasses and record straight to camera videos in the cab of their, you know, crew cab truck. Like, it's the place where they cross over. Anyway, he ended up going to jail. Wesley Snipes did. And then when he got out, he had like a martial arts action show on Fox. Wow.

That only went for the one year. Okay. It's called the player. It was called the player. Thank you. All right. And I heard Wesley Snipes was going to have a martial arts action show on Fox. I said, please, can we please get Wesley Snipes to come on NPR?

Yeah. We did. We failed. Oh, well. We failed. Come on, Wesley. It's not too late. I'm all, Wesley, you're always, you're always welcome on my air.

Wesley, you're also always welcome. Listen, he's free to a good home. Oh, well. You're talking about Wesley Snipes the actor? No. Because I think at this point, it is he may very well be. He may be. He's probably doing all right.

He's doing all right. You think he's doing okay? What do you think he's up to? Paying his tax? He's probably in Latvia right now, shooting for two days on a, on a European action movie and getting paid a million dollars. Yeah, sure. And you'll see it on Hulu and you'll go, this came out this year?

No, you'll see it on Roku. You see it on the Roku channel. He's living that cognitive, cognitive decline Bruce Willis lifestyle. Perhaps just getting shoved, shoved into movies, two or three a year, backed into things. He says, I already renounced my passport. Is that going to be a problem? Damn. He says, Sam, folks, of course, can find the Sam Sanders show here in Los Angeles on K.

CRW, but also now on public radio stations around the country, correct? Yeah, we are distributed nationally by PRX. Shout out PRX. That's the public radio exchange. Public radio exchange. And so, gosh, I don't keep count, but they send me updates. Stations are adding them across the country. We appreciate that.

You can also find the show on YouTube. We do video, full episodes. It's also, of course, in podcast feeds wherever you get your podcast. But it's a fun show. Sometimes I'm talking about entertainment and culture with smart things. thinkers. Other times, I'm talking to the creators themselves. We love to give hot, pop culture hot takes. We love to laugh at the zeitgeist and not just examine it. You might like the show. You booked Linda Holmes. My girl, the OG. She's so great. People will be excited

to her take. So I had my friend Linda Holmes, whose podcast. Oh, Wesley got me in the butt nuts. Cool. It was great. Yeah. We had. We had. Always been on dog. I said that before we started taping, and no one liked it. I liked it. I enjoyed it. I had Linda Holmes and Ronald Young come and do mid-year review of all the pop culture of experience. And hearing Linda Holmes rip F-1, a new one?

Okay. Is it thing of you. She hates that movie. I should probably go see F-1. Thanks for reminding me. But yeah, all that kind of good stuff. There's also a newsletter. I'm also drawn to dabble in substack, but, ugh.

But yeah, listen to the show. That's good. I mean, I know you've always been Nazi curious. Subsdack's a great platform for that. Where is everyone? My question is like, where does everyone go next? Because there was medium for a second and then it was substack. Well, they will go somewhere else.

What's next? Let me just get there first. I'm still on Tumblr. That's because I'm into Vore stuff. You know what? I've been getting really into writing the editorial on restaurant menus. Like menus where it's like there's like a few pages of all the different diner stuff. but then on the back there's like a whole like our story thing

that's sort of my medium now you know it's still really happy for me two places Pinterest and Reddit we're big Reddit guys here it's just like good people trying to help Jordan's all about R slash Archie Comics I'm all about R slash marbles there's a lot of fun wholesome stuff where people never discuss the outside world because they're too obsessed with their one weird thing mine is like I got to change the water filter in this fridge. I don't know how to do this shit. Reddit will tell me.

Reddit will tell you. They will excitedly tell you and sometimes they'll be helpful. Yes. Once in a while. Once in a while. Yeah. Thanks, Sam. Thanks for coming on the show.

That's honor to be here. Yeah. I thank you for being so nice to Wesley Snipes. I have a question, Sam. Yeah. A lot of the people listening to this are podcast listeners. Let's say they wanted to hear the Sam Sanders. They couldn't do that by podcast though because I know YouTube and public radio, but they

We couldn't do it by podcast, right? Jesse, we mentioned it in podcasters everywhere. They can. Yes. In fact, how about, let me ask for it now? Close mouse don't get fed to let people know how they can find the podcast of the Sam Sanders show. In your show notes for this episode, could we link to the mid-year review episode. I think we could.

Can we link to the Linda Holmes episode? Reddit.com slash hot tubs and of course. Yeah, let's put that Linda Holmes episode to jump in. Ronald Young's a great guy, too. I've done some PCHH with him. He's a nice, funny man. Can I also say this? Sure.

Can we link to Linda Holmes episode of the Flop House that I just listened to today? Because it was really great. Yeah, let's do it. She was so great. She was filling in for Elliot. It was about Red One. Linda has seen Red One twice. It's where the rock plays Santa's Bat Bodyguard.

Oh, I've never seen it. What I love about Linda, like I know a lot of people who cover entertainment, think about it, et cetera. And a lot of times their energy is like coming to it as a fan. Linda does this amazing thing where she comes to her work as a fan but also as like a really good lawyer and she's always working she's always reading and she's encyclopedic

and I'm like how do you have time to watch all these things read all these things and think smart thoughts about it and also write books right good books novels novels this is Linda Holmes we love you Linda we love you Linda sorry Glenn we love you too Stephen Thompson we love you too of course it's also like I don't know and I

I'll stop now. Pop Culture Happy Hour, like, that shows DNA lives in so many other, like, pop culture podcasts that came after. I would not have, I wouldn't be doing the work that I'm doing now without, like, Linda and that crew is, like, a guide and a possibility model. I just, I love them. An iconic crew. An iconic crew. Shirley, one of Time Magazine's 100 Greatest Podcasts. You know what my possibility model is?

Wesley Snipes the dog. Wesley Snipes the dog. Listen, he likes you. He's a good dog. He's a good dog. He's a good dog. Our theme music is Love You by the Free Design. Thanks to the free design, thanks to their label Light in the Attic Records.

Our producer is Stephen Ray Morris. Thank you, Stephen Ray Morris. You can find us on Instagram at Jordan, Jesse Go, Hod. You can find Jordan at Jordan, David Morris, and me at Jesse Thorn, very famous. You can find us on Reddit at R slash Maximum Fun. You can find us on Pinterest, just pinning some of our favorite wallpapers. And we'll talk to you next time on George. Jessica.