Joy, a Podcast. Hosted by Craig Ferguson - Jim Rash

Episode Date: July 1, 2025

Meet Jim Rash - actor, comedian, screenwriter, and filmmaker. You may recognize him as his role as Dean Craig Pelton on Community, a role which he was nominated for at the Critics' Choice Television Award for Best Supporting Actor in a Comedy Series in 2012. He co-wrote The Descendants (2011), for which he received the Academy Award, Independent Spirit Award, and Writers Guild of America Award for Best Adapted Screenplay. We had an absolutely wonderful conversation and I hope you enJOY!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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See you on the road, my dears. My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy. I talk to interesting people about what brings them happiness. Welcome to the Joy podcast. Welcome to the Kitsuper Studios here in Brooklyn, New York, where inside the tent today, my guest will not be here because this is one of the rare shows we're going to do remotely. And the only reason I'm doing this show remotely, as in it's kind of like a zoom call, like the way I'm talking to you right now, but I'll be talking to my guest, Jim Rash.

Jim is a writer, an actor and performer and an improv guy who was a frequent guest on the old late night show of mine and he was on a show called Community which was one of the great American sitcoms slightly unsung those who are into it are really into it and those who are not into it I've never heard of it, kinda like me. Please welcome Jim Ratt. Jim Ratt. Jim. Yes. I've broken my rule for you.

I had this rule that I wasn't going to do any more remote podcasts. Oh. But, but I've broken it for you for two reasons. One because it's you and I adore you. Thank you. And two because I heard you had your kitchen done. But I'm on the East Coast and I wanted to be able to see it, but at the same time, I wasn't prepared to make a transcontinental

flight for just that. And I know I've talked up this kitchen and you've been going on and about it and dying to see it. So this is a win-win for both of us, because I'm so very proud. You should be proud. Now, let me, did you design it yourself? Are you a house design-y person? No, not at all.

And for those watching. I feel like I'm stereotyping you there a little bit, because I feel like, I'm like, oh, you probably do your own design, if you know what I mean, but you probably don't. No, I just get it. The gays get it.

No, I have a friend who is much better at this. I'm one of those people that point and go, I like that, you know, that kind of, that kind of I. And then you always want somebody who's going to do something that you don't even think of. So not that this kitchen is like out of the ordinary. And most people listening are going, oh, do you really have this kitchen done? But this is like seven years old and come on on it's not that crazy. I think it's pretty great and also what what you want though with a designer is you want cohesion cohesion cohesion because I like I can I do what you do I go wow like that but a designer will say

that is nice but you've got to have you know if you're going to have that you've got to have that that other thing you don't want to do like you know, if you're going to have that, you've got to have that. You don't want to do like, you know, theme rooms like the Madonna. Flag. Thing. Planting. Yeah, this is, this is my kitchen. Yeah. Is that your kitchen actually? Okay.

No, I'm in a tent. It's a choice. It's a choice. It is a choice. But I'm in a tent in Brooklyn. What it is, I mean, it's a choice. It's a choice. It is a choice. But I'm in a tent in Brooklyn. What it is, I mean, I don't know if you've been to Brooklyn, Williamsburg recently. Have you been to Williamsburg? Not recently. I have.

I have been. You remember the TV show, Portlandia? I do. Yes. It's that. It's that's where I am. Okay. Understood. So you brought it's that's where I am. Okay, understood So you brought a little bit of Portland to Brooklyn. Well, I didn't bring it. It was here

I just turned up and bringing a little bit. I brought a little bit of Scotland But not much of Scotland. Oh So you're just squatting in some tent and I am I have a tent and I'm squatting in Williamsburg, where are you from? You know, you have rights. I am. I have a tent and I'm squatting in Williamsburg. Where are you from? You're not from. You have rights. I do have right. From LA?

Is that what you're going to ask? Yeah, I was going to say, I think of you as being East Coasty, but you're actually not, right? No, I am East Coasty in the sense of Southeast. I grew up in North Carolina. So yes, in that sense. But I grew up in Charlotte. I love Charlotte. Did you ever, you know, they have that really good comedy club there,

The Comedy Zone, I think it's called. I've never been there. It's also been a hot minute since I've been in Charlotte. I've lived in LA for 30 years and I was at school in Chapel Hill and that was just a Quite a bit ago. So that was you know, I have family still there, but I don't get there as much these days Why wouldn't you go back to Charlotte? It's I mean, oh I just I just told you I have family there and I just don't That's why I don't go to Scotland no No, no. I also have family in Scotland. That's true.

You know, that's not the reason. I just haven't been back East since sometimes they've been coming here. So that's it. You know, it's probably my turn. Now, I haven't seen you in a while. Did you get damaged in either have you been rioted or fired? Not fired as in work fired, but fired as in on fire? Fired before, but not in that way.

But no, I, you know, gratefully did not have to, I left my house at one point because there was a fire when a very brief one broke out in Runyon Canyon. Oh, yeah. And that was one of those ones where you're looking at and you go, yeah, even though it's not close, too close for me. So I went one night to a friend's house, but that was put out pretty fast. And, but no, no, I, I'm thankful. Unfortunately, I have friends who were not, who live in Alta Dena and stuff, but, you

know, it was quite a time, quite a time. Yeah. I mean, watching it from afar, I mean, I lived in LA for 23 years and watching it the the the neighborhoods go up I was like, oh my god, that's crazy. Like I mean, it's nuts. It's very yeah It's like now is it the air better and stuff? Well, I guess so, but you know that season's coming So, you know everyone got like the watch duty app which was like saved probably everybody, you know It was very up-to-date and that's already, you know, everyone got like the watch duty app, which was like saved probably everybody, you know, it was very up to date. And that's already, you know, now and then going

out there small like quickly put out things. But you know, that's it is that time of year is coming to us. Fire season, I don't know that fire should be a season is one of the reasons why I don't know, we don't get these posts. I live in New York City now and it's different. Every day is weed, pee, and rat smell season. That's the season. But that's a condition.

At least you expect one season, sort of how LA is almost the same temperature. You get up in the morning, you know, grape, pee, rats, all is right in the world. And weed, all is right in the world. And weed all is right in the world. Yeah. I don't... I feel like it's a little bit of an imposition that we eat smell because I don't smoke weed. Do you smoke weed? I do not. Right.

That's not said as a judgment. I just don't. No, I'm not judging people for doing that. I just don't feel I should have to participate in it. Do you know what I mean? I'm getting a lot of secondhand weed smell. Yeah, understood. Yeah. I don't care for it. I'm just, I was bad at it. You know, like I've done,

even nibbling an edible, I did it wrong. I just, I don't like, I guess some people, some people just know how and their personality or something reacts right way. I just am the one who gets quiet, which might be great for other people, but I get quiet and I get in my head and then all I'm doing is having a dialogue where I'm like, you're not speaking, Jim, you're not saying anything. And I was like, while that might be beneficial to those around me, it isn't to me in my head. So I was like, I'm not doing this correctly.

You ever write when you're like that? Because I mean, I think of you obviously as a performer and stuff, but I always think of you as a writer too. Do you ever have any, do you have any good ideas when you were like, because there is this myth, well, maybe it's not a myth for some people. For me, I could never come up with anything when I was high. Nothing.

No, I don't think it does me creatively right. That I can remember because obviously I don't do it. So if I did, I would have kept doing it if it was more fruitful than me just staring at a blank page, cold sober. Yeah, I think that that kind of terror is what gets me to work is when I see that, you know, if I don that, you know, if I don't do anything here, there's gonna be a problem, as opposed to,

I'm busy thinking. Like, I think type first, think later. That's my approach. And certainly that seems to be, you know, observable in my output. Like, clearly he types first and thinks later. Oh yeah, yeah. Well, then somebody is gonna say, you know, every, every book is going to say

their version of that. Oh, right from your first pass, just right from your heart. Don't, you know, don't get it or whatever. I, I find that, uh, enviable, but, uh, personally impossible. I, I, I write rewrite. But the same time, you got to rewrite, you got to to go back and go back and go back and go back all the time. Are you writing right now? Are you writing anything just now? I am. I just finished editing something I had written closer to pandemic year and

just starting outlining something at the moment. So is that a movie? Are you doing a movie? It's a movie. It's based on, it is a true story, which I've never done like something, a real person story, but I'm taking a stab at it and seeing if I-

Who's the parent? Who's the parent? Do you remember team? Well, they went by a team named team Hoyt last name H-O-Y-T the the father pushed his quadriplegic son who had cerebral palsy through Belston marathons triathlons and so they were a team for a good Lord they ran 30 30 marathons, you know, and he would just push his son through all these things. And then they were very high in activism for differently abled people and quite an inspirational

story. Do you have any connection to that world? Are you close to anyone who's in that position? No, no, I just, I think I'm working with Nat Faxon, who I often work with. And I think it's just a beautiful story. And there was like a lot of elements to it that I felt that we felt fit within the things that we like.

There's a lot of comedy and drama happening at the same time, which I'm always attracted to. So we're just starting that process of digging through all, because when you're doing these kinds of things, there's so many interviews, so many, there are books and stuff, so you're really, there's a lot to dig through. And you're spending a long period of time,

so that's another challenge. Yeah, I'm glad you brought up that, because I didn't know if you and Nat were still working together, or if you had some horrible argument and you weren't talking to each other, so I'm glad to hear that, you know Well, the second statement is true. There's always a horrible argument, but we are still together See I find him I find him and I say this with love just reprehensible Yeah, you know, it's funny, you are a very odd couple.

I mean, I know you're not a couple, but you're an odd duo. You seem very different and yet the stuff that you do has a very definite voice to it, like all of its own. It's kind of, it's interesting to me. Have you ever thought of appearing as the odd couple? I think the Neil Simon play with you in that fact, there's something there. You know, the one thing I do know is no one's tired

of watching the odd couple on stage or ever. So, no, I'm serious. It is a coupling that always works. No, we will. Maybe one day we'll get into regional theater and actually do the odd couple, odd couple. But we are, we will. Maybe one day we'll get into regional theater and actually do the odd couple, odd couple. But we are, we are very different. And I think that works to our benefit, you know, we have, and that's how we operate at the Groundlings. I think you just find people that

you sync up with, you know, comedically. And then I think we just have a nice way of working together for the most part, which means, which is, which is me saying that get out of here and let me just do this. Get out now and let me finish this. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I observed that as well. Is that where you met at Groundlings? Yeah, we met at Groundlings in what's called the Sunday Company right

before the main company. What's the Sunday Company? Well, there's some of their levels. You know, you start the school and everyone starts at the same place. You know, you have like basic improv and intermediate improv, and then you work your way to the Sunday Company, which literally performs on Sunday. It's sort of like your last stage to hopefully make it into the main stage, the main groundlings company. So a lot of people spend up to a year and a half in the Sunday company,

and then hopefully get into the main company. So it's a very fun time. Did you get into the main company? I did. I made it. I was in the, I was an actual main company member for 13 years. Good Lord.

And I still perform the day I'm getting ready to direct the next main show. So I have never left. I just, you know, at one point you become an alum because you don't want to deal with mass emails and voting. Right. And I feel like, I feel Groundlings is a bit like Catholicism that once, you know, once you're in, you don't get out.

Like maybe the Mafia, you know, once you're in, you don't, you don't get out. Uh, like maybe the mafia, you know, comedy in comedy out. Yeah. Oh, there's no, no way of doing it any other way. No, it's one way through. Yeah. It does seem like a, like a, is it, can I say it's a cult? I think it's a cult. Yeah.

I mean, I know it's not, but I like saying it is. I mean, let me, are we drinking blood? Sure. Yeah. But I mean, other, other than than because if you don't have someone else's blood in the taste of it, you can't perform or find a comedic connecting thread. I mean, that's... A lot of people don't know that about show business, that you have to drink blood before

you get on stage. No. Uta Hagen said it, even in acting, you really need to taste blood of your partner in order to really connect on stage. And don't anybody look that up. But that's what Uta Hagen said. I love that you referenced Uta Hagen. You're welcome.

That's... No reference to Nina Hagen. No. Nina Bean. No. Wasn't Nina Hagen 99 Luftballons? Oh, I did not know that but I love that. Is that Nina Hagen? 99 Luftballons? We're just looking it up right now. You remember 99 und Flufflautballons? Yeah, I knew it because you would either hear it, well it was partly in English or there was also probably an all English version, flow along. Yes. No, I, yeah. I knew it because you would either hear it. Well, it was partly in English or there was also by an all English version.

Yes. I think it was an all English version, which was released for America. She should not sing. Well, that's who Nina Haggindon. Oh, we're wrong. Oh, it was a woman called Nina, but her second name wasn't. Oh, it was because the harbinger thing I got. I was going to say because I remember Nina Hagen to be Uda's sister who always did not care for Uda because she was always assigned to be prop master

for Uda's acting classes. You remember Nina. That would be a lot of work. That would be a lot of work. Mm-hmm. The person came from a term with the 99... Luftballons. I said... Well, I think that's what I said, Luftballons. Yeah. I don't think we should...

Let's talk a little about Uta Hagen, though. I don't want to let this drop just yet. Because I don't... I feel like I don't know really anything about Uta Hagen. Do you know much about Uta Hagen? Talk me through it. I do not. The fact that I referenced her was mostly a bit. I will say, I will say, I took it, I deactivated and took a little mentalish break from Instagram. But at the time, Instagram,

someone was uploading old clips of Uta Hagen and teaching her acting classes, which were a dream to watch as she's showing, you know, actors in whatever period this was from Certain tricks and how to be in a scene and that was enthralling but that's as much as I have I have a mental Picture in my head of her. That's it. I think Uta Hagen was was was the person I remember talking about the Illusion of spontaneity. I think she said that you have to look like just thought of it. Well, you understand the words, the illusion of spontaneity, but that's, I feel like that was her, but that could have been Uta Lempur as well. It was certainly an Uta, or maybe, or, or maybe it was Nina who sang 99

Loft Ballons. Right, right. And every time she sang it, it was like the first time. Yeah. It's safe for us to assume that there are a lot of Uta's out there and a lot of people last name Hagen who are very, very key in our lives. You know that Sami Hagar's real name is Uta Hagar. I can see why he switched it up a little bit. Yeah, and I think that was the right choice.

I mean, Sammy, so we're kind of rock star relatable. Hey, Sammy, how you doing? Yeah. Because that's how rock stars talk, apparently. Yeah. How you doing? And you also, I'm sure there were concerts where instead of yelling out a song they wanted to hear they go Tell us something about acting, you know, like like what about the illusion of spontaneity? Yeah

Forget I know this is not him but forget free bird. Tell us how the best way to block a scene Yes, that's what what is the best way to block a scene? I always think it's good to have all the actors standing in a line Shouting towards the front and then everybody is able to pick up and what's going on? I I always tell them don't cheat out be out like yeah, right Don't look at your scene partner connect only with the audience and throw everything right at them and as loud as possible Shout no, that's okay. I don't say project to the back, I say project to another state. That's right. Just yell as loud as you can.

And it's okay to look like you're yelling. A lot of people, they'll get it, they'll understand what you're trying to do. And then I tell them, if the scene is about anger, choose one note and stay there. Yeah, and start big. Like if it's an angry scene, start really angry and stay really angry. I always say, anyone who tells you to build from a place doesn't know what it means to construct a scene. That person needs to quit and go open up any type of shop.

But don't tell me how to build a scene. Start big and go open up any type of shop, but don't tell me how to build a scene. Start big and go bigger. I always like, there's a very complicated, I call it the Bon Jovi acting technique. This is how I like to do it. Well, your Bon Jovi songs, we do big noise, then there's a little bit of things, then a big noise. That's how I like to do acting. I shout something, then I do something. Then I shout it again.

Yeah. And then there's a big chorus. It's always... Acting is like performing a song. There's a verse, there's a chorus, there's a bridge, right? So if I'm... if the scene is, you know, I'm upset, I'm telling this person to get out of there. I'm like, get out! And here's what you're gonna do. Don't look at me!

But you better believe. Now, should they be able to hear what the stuff I'm saying quietly? Not necessarily. Not necessarily. If they read the script, they already know. So you always act because you know what's happening in the scene. Don't. I feel as well that I don't know if you have the... Whenever I work as an actor, I don't read the script. I read the lines. So I just lead the lines that I'll be saying.

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It's called I'm So Happy. And I would be so happy if you checked it out. To watch the special just go to my YouTube channel at The Craig Ferguson Show and it's right there. Just click it and play it and it's free. I can't look I'm not going to come around your house and show you how to do it. If you can't do it then you can't have it. But if you can figure it out it's yours. You mentioned something which I'm quite interested in because I feel like everybody I talked to has said this that you said you

came off of Instagram, you came off of social media. Did you find it was becoming intrusive in your life in some way? Very much so. I, I, yes, I felt I, it was robbing me. I think I was getting distracted, I think. And it wasn't even me posting. So you know, people go, I don't post much when I go, but it's really not about posting that bothers me. And because I do enjoy, look, I, you know, I understand the joys of it. I enjoyed that kind of stuff.

But I found myself getting to the place where if we're going to a party and you say to your friend, oh my God, you went to Europe. Like, in other words, back in the day, you would not know this information, but then you're, it feels like we're so caught up on someone's life. We walk in and we just, we fill it in because we don't need to have a conversation.

You just, you just, you just got that puppy. Oh yeah, yeah, got a puppy. Oh, yeah, he's adorable. And then you move on. And that's the end of that. Anyway, I just I just didn't like and also we're getting you know, you get hit with a lot of news at the same time. So you're just trying to like, I think, take care of yourself. I've stopped looking at the news completely. Now Now I don't look at the news at all. It seems like it's going well. Yeah.

I think it's going great. I know that if I like sometimes if I walk by a TV repair shop of which, you know, Manhattan is legendarily, there's thousands. I live in the upper East side, which is mostly TV repair shops. That's that's favorite. I walk by a TV repair shop and the news is on, seems like Los Angeles is doing great, particularly in the last couple of days. Yes, it's, it's, it's a pleasure to refresh your news and just, and, and, and then everything's

either the opposite. This is happening, this isn't happening. And it's, and it's like, you know, LA is a giant place. This is happening, this isn't happening. And it's like, you know, LA is a giant place. So it's, we're talking about something that's like downtown, right, this moment and rightfully so protesting this moment, you know, and you hope it doesn't get to a place of violence, but it's just sort of, it's pretty crazy to think it's just downtown right now, you know. Oh no. of it's pretty crazy to think it's just downtown right now. You know? No, it's funny though. Have you ever been part of a, of a protest or something like that?

I mean, I, I've, it's something I've never really, never really found myself in that position. I've never thought, well, you know what? It's time I was said this, um, and join in with my friends. Maybe it's because I do what I do for a living. So you kind of get it out another way, but. Or maybe I should, maybe I have absolutely no civic responsibility and I'm a horrible person. It could be that, quite easily.

Well, you know, these are great places where you put a mirror in front of yourself and you have to look at yourself, Craig, and decide what are you for? Yeah, well, you know, mostly for a... At this point in my life, I'm now 63 years old, Jen. So I'm, I'm kind of mostly for sitting down. I'm all about sitting down. Well, that's good for protesting. That's, that's who they need. They just want you to sit there.

They need a lot of, to keep it calm. If there's a sit-in somewhere comfortable, like if it are going to be, well, we're all going to go, we're going to sit in this very comfortable lounge to protest. Then I'll be like, wow, I feel like I want to be part of that. You need a glamping version of activism. Welcome to my tent. I'm in a tent right now. A glamping tent.

So that's, yeah, it's called,'s called a full circle. Full circle conversation. That's one of those writing slash acting techniques. They teach you that in the ground length. What do you learn in your first day at the ground length? Full circle. Full circle. I call it full circle. In other words, if you get lost in the scene and you don't remember, just go back to the

first line and see if you get it right. And so the audience will get it. Oh, we're going to go back and we're going to start over. It's called full circle. You know the, you know, the idea of the callback when the comedian will call back to a joke that they did earlier. I've been working on a technique recently called the reverse callback where I reference jokes, which I haven't told yet. Seems to, I think audiences really like that. They're like, wow, this is clever. Yeah. I love it in the sense that you just keep doing it

and go, how about for that for a callback and then just keep going. And then someone goes like, I really, I wasn't listening very well. I kept missing, missing stuff. I didn't remember when he talked about barber shops, but he came right back to it and he says, you know, hair and a shave, dun dun, like that.

Yeah. And I kept, I didn't know why I kept going. And I think that is it, hair and a shave cut. Hair and a shave dun dun. It's like, shave and a haircut, two bits, it's too predictable. And I think hair and a shave dun dun is, I still want to know what you teach the first day of when you go to Groundlings as a fresh faced young improvisationer. Like, I'd like to be an improvisationer.

What is day one? You sit down and what do you do? Well, really, it truthfully, it is to jump up and just start doing it. And I find it very interesting to watch what happens when you get a class or two of just throwing them up there and doing improv exercises, and then take a moment to sit down and break down if we want to call them rules or like structures, and then watch how it deconstructs them and then they get terrible, me included back in the day because I realized when we don't know any rules and we just jump in It's fun to watch people do it without any any any

parameters at first That won't be great scenes, but there's a spirit and then when they hear the rules they shut down and then they get very Apprehensive like oh here we are at the cake place. Oh, yes. I love this cake. It's good Yes, let's let's let's keep making this cake. Oh Boy, and the only rule I know is the the yes and rule. Is that a real rule? Yes, and you just have to keep adding is that is that real? I think I think it's a a good rule to be learning in the very beginning and the idea of being in agreement In other words, I'm gonna zig with you if you're gonna zag then I'm just gonna go with you

In other words, I'm not going to to not and I'm not gonna negate that I think Improvisers do it doing for a while. There is a version of no that they come to understand that keeps the scene going You know, but I think in the beginning knowing that I am going to let go of any preconceived ideas about where this scene is going. And if you decide that you're that were that the building got on fire, then we're going to play that, you know. I find it fascinating improvisation because it's something that I've never really been comfortable with in groups.

I mean, look, when I was doing late at night, Josh and I, who was doing the scale and that's all we ever did. We never wrote it. But actually the kind of slightly more, I don't know about structured, but certainly branded sort of improvs that, you know, okay, there's four of us on stage. We're going to play. Uh, what, what is it they used to call it? There was one of the games I, I, uh, I can't remember the name of the, the something they would call it.

What the pussy? Was it the pussy? I don't know if it was the pussy. That was so vague. You, it was called the something. Well, everything's called something Craig. The idea of the, of the something. Well, everything is called something Craig. What was the idea of the of the improv? It was like a long form thing that you would tell us the way I can't long form improv, which I don't really I don't

I genuinely don't understand. I'm not trying to be obtuse. I don't know what it means when you say long form improv. What does it mean? Well, I mean, I think long form improv is you might just get one suggestion, as I understand it. Let's just say like a group gets up there and says, we're going to perform long improv, just give us the title of this play. And they're not going to get anything else from the audience. They're just going to go with that one thing. And then for me, long, long improv.

And then like, you know, Second City and they do heralds, which can be based on one thing. That was the one. That was the one that knows that herald or the or herald. Well, I always said herald, but that's that's I don't know if it's the man's name or like herald as in a but I feel it has to do with well herald but also I was thinking of something that flows into each other because the idea is that you know if you're doing a correct Herald now, I'm not proficient on them But it's like I think like three separate scenes get started and then as they say some kind of game Happens and then the scenes are revisited with time and it all comes together if you nailed it as they say in the Herald world

Now someone on here who knows a Herald listening going, you know Just swerved in their car and said, Jim doesn't fucking know what he's talking about. Right. Well, which is completely fair. Well, but they're breaking the rule of, you know, keeping the scene going, because they've swerved the car, they've stopped the car,

and they've said, Jim doesn't know what he's talking about. It doesn't give you anywhere to go. It doesn't give you anywhere to go. That's true. If I heard that, I would say, you just negated what I just said, which I said was this true statement about a Herald. Right.

I, that, that was the one I always felt intimidated by it. Cause when I was doing the Drew Carey show, that's just when those Drew and Ryan Stiles and, and those guys were putting together, Colin Mochrie were putting together, whose line is it anyway. And I, they would go and practice at the Improv Club in Los Angeles. And I went once and I thought, I don't like this. I don't understand it. I don't feel comfortable doing it.

And they were like, no, you're the perfect sort of person for this. And I'm like, but I don't feel like I am. I can't connect to it. What was throwing you off? Was it the pace of those games? I think I don't like people. I don't work to it. What was throwing you off? Was it the pace of those games? I think I don't like people. I don't work well with others. Yeah, that's difficult.

Yeah, cranky loner, I think is what... That's okay. But aren't you a bit of a cranky loner, I feel too. What? How dare you? I see you there in your kitchen, judging. Am I cranky right now? No, am I alone?

Yes, always. That part I get. I like being alone. I like working alone. I like being on stage in my home. That's fair. It's like you're, and I'm just going to say it, because I think you're saying it, you're selfish.

You want all of the glory on stage. Yes. Yes I think that's right Selfish mean mean spirited. I think it's probably a good way to air. That's fair. That's your that's your brand and I think it's it's working I For I am known for it. Yeah No, when I was getting I'm here I text a friend I said, Oh, I'm getting ready to go on this really mean spirited, selfish loner. And he goes, Oh, Craig Ferguson.

I go, yes. I, God, that's alarming, but true, I guess. What about the idea of working alone for you, like doing stand-up? Have you ever done stand-up? I don't think of you as a stand-up. No, I've never done stand-up. I envy those who have that skill set. That doesn't seem like it's my jam, if you will, not to be like a jam. But I will say what I have done alone on stage, which brings, which I love so much, and I didn't create the show, but I've done it before at the groundlings a

former groundling created a show called one and one is the idea that that a performer will get up there and improvise completely improvise with nothing Obviously a one-person show so I get up there so welcome there for that. Can I do that? Yes It is I'd love you would excel at this. It's so fun. It's terrifying all day You're like this is one of those shows where you're like maybe not be for you but for me you're wired and the day is shot because you're trying to do everything else and you just know eight o'clock is coming and You're like why the fuck am I doing this show? why because it's terrifying and the audience is so on your side because they know the idea but the idea is you get up there and The director will get the idea is you get up there and the director will get the,

this is Jim, I'm not playing Jim, like it'll get a fake name just so they separate this, not Jim Rash's one person show. It's like just a made up name, whether you use that or not, other than your intro. Then you get the name of this pretentious sounding, you know, one person show. So it would be like, you know, my father never loved me or the waves crashed at midnight, whatever it is. And then she sets up an audience members get to create like three little stages using blocks and stuff that I have to justify as different set pieces. And then I just go for an hour and I just create a whole one person show. And it's basically, it is terrifying.

And then when you get off stage, you're like, I want to do it again. And then you book it and then you're like, why am I doing this? And then you I want to do it again because the audience is so there and so you get to do this type of improv that i've never done Where you just have to trust that there is going to be lulls like you you look up at this clock And it's like 40 minutes in and you just hit which is natural like a party where you just lose conversation and you're like, Oh my God, something needs to happen. And then it just, you just pull yourself out of it. And so you play a bunch of characters, you talk to it yourself as two different characters

and it gets insane, of course, but it's fun. I am not kidding. I'd never heard of this before. I feel like I might have been doing a version of this my entire career, and I want to do this. I genuinely want to do this. I need you to give me a number of the Groundlings, or do you have a New York branch of the Groundlings? No, way, way, way back, way before me,

they had an attempt at an expansion, but this was long, long ago and they don't. It's just LA. But yeah, Deanna Oliver who is a fantastic writer as well, and she's a groundling alum and she created the show. So I will give her a talk because yes, it's a blast. That's perfect for me. This is actually perfect for me.

I feel like, are you allowed to drink two cups of coffee before it? I think one and a half, but's just because because that's you know Well, you know why I say one half that's the folklore of it's very Shakespearean never drink two cups of coffee before a play Is it because it's an even number or no? I think it was either again Uta Hagen or Shakespeare who said it so I don't remember which of the two said it But it was something of like heahagan or Shakespeare who said it. So I don't remember which of the two said it, but it was something of like, he or she who has one cup, your talent runneth over. Two talent to the door she go, but a half will do well.

And I think that's the exact same. One and a half will do well, two will smell. One will do you well, the talent will be forthcoming. One will do you well, you will make them smell. Yeah, some of these words are going to change when I tell you the second time, but just give me a second to get it right. It's like one cup of coffee will do you well and talent will be forthcoming. Two will make it, leave the door.

A half cup more and talent shall be fine. I'm pretty sure that's what it was. It's interesting because it does change quite a lot every time you say it. I don't think so. Which is, have one cup of coffee and you will do fine and talent will come much more too and it will leave the door. A half a cup more will do you fine. See it's the same. Right. I feel like I have it now and that's great.

Now, Shakespeare, this is, look, I'm sorry to bring this up, but I feel like I must for the sake of historical accuracy. I don't think Shakespeare knew what coffee was. Oh, okay. Well, if good luck, go to Wikipedia and you'll find out you're wrong. I did feel like coffee might have arrived in Britain after Shakespeare. I think up until then they drank only mud. You know, they were experimenting with different brown liquids.

There was mud, there was poo, there was bridge water, there was, you know, dysentery and stuff, but they didn't have actual coffee until coffee time, which was later. Was that a proclamation? Coffee time was, was that an act or a move of government? It was the coffee claim act of 1702 when coffee was, I think coffee is a new world thing though, isn't it? So the king proclaimed it. I mean, to me, you said mud, but that to me is slang for coffee like, well, a cup of joe, a cup of mud. So maybe you just don't understand translation of text. And that's just, that's okay if you don't know it.

Yeah, it's possible. I think it's possible that I don't understand mud. Although growing up where I grew up, I feel like I have a very firm grasp of swampy conditions. And the mud, I'm pretty sure Shakespeare didn't know what coffee was. And I feel like his plays would have zipped along a bit faster if he did. I think particularly King Lear, I think it would have been King Lear. Oh, I'm old. These kids is driving me crazy. What are you going to do? There's your three acts right there, King Lear. Oh, I'm getting old, these kids are driving me

crazy. What are you gonna do? Yeah. I mean, I think for, it's good for a couple productions to give it a shot of espresso, as we would say. Like, let's give the Shakespeare a shot of espresso. Yeah. But I feel like as well, if he was doing the two gentlemen of Verona, which was of course set in Italy in the town of Verona, the Shakespearean play. I feel like he would have put coffee in that. If you knew what coffee was, hey, let's go for a cup of coffee. I'm with you, my gentleman friend. Mm hmm.

What accent were you just doing? That was Groucho Marx. How was that? No, Chico Marx. Sorry, Chico Marx. Oh, Chico Marx. Chico Marx in Two Gentlemen of Verona, his one man show. That was the twist. No, I closed my eyes and I was like, holy shit, am I at that show?

And then I opened up. What's the comment I got? He's a me, you're a friend from Verona, Chico. Chico. Yeah. Yeah. And have you ever been to Verona or anywhere around that name or Italy? I have been only to, is it called Turin or Torino like Northern Italy? I know exactly the town you mean.

I would call it Torino, but I feel like that might be because if ever I'm reading the news on TV, I like to, if the story is about Nicaragua, I always like to say Nicaragua Oh, yeah. All right instead of me saying Torino, Torino Yeah, but that's the only I have so much of Italy to see and that's the only place I've been I would say that be careful when you go to Italy because if someone has bad eyesight and they can't really see they might think That you're Stanley Tucci. No, I Get that or Moby and Moby doesn't live that far from me either. So we could do a great Freaky Friday.

But he has tattoos, so you should be able to tell the difference. I know Moby quite well. And I feel like now as you mentioned it, you know what you do? You guys do look quite similar. No, that's the one I get more than Stanley to do. However, I was in a lobby Hotel lobby and a woman approached me and said oh my god, I'm a big fan. Can I get a selfie? We were posing for her help, you know her handheld selfie and she said I love your show on Italy and Then I go. Oh, I'm not Stanley Tucci. And she did not snap that picture.

And it was just a slow, you know, her hand slowly came down. She didn't take the selfie? I jokingly said, you probably don't need this picture. And she didn't take it. And then I told her who I was, not that that registered on her, but I really burst that bubble. I should have just said, as Joel McHale told me, I should have just said, yes, I'm Stanley and just kept going. But anyway, I was humbled by it because I was like,

oh, I wish I had that kind of acting talent, but thank you. I think you do. I think you could pass. Tucci's amazing, but I will take it. Thank you. No, he is amazing. He's an amazing actor, actually. I see him in Italy and I think, you know, I don't think he's acting there.

I think he's genuinely having a good time. I would imagine, yes. Yeah, I do love Italy. Where's the name Rash from? That's not an Italian name, is it? No, I should say I'm adopted So I'm not going I'm not going to be representative of this But but as I understand rash as according my grandfather found is Welsh. Oh I thought I thought it was an Ellis Island thing from rash from Germany because our es

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Oh, you did. Where did you go to in Scotland? Cause that's where I'm from. I know, I'm not, all I remember is, as a kid is wanting you go to in Scotland? Because that's where I'm from. I know. I'm not... All I remember is, as a kid, is wanting to go as many, like, castles and castle ruins. So I couldn't tell you everywhere we went. I've lived in most of them. And we road trip through. So we just kept going, you know.

Yeah. It's probably a good idea. Did you... Were you very... You were a teenager? Probably a pre-teenie. Yeah. Right. So did you eat the food there? Were you very, you were a teenager? Probably a pre-teeny. Yeah. Right. So did you eat the food there? Well, if I was a kid, I probably was complaining. I do remember how jet lagged. We were experienced hitting London.

Yeah. And you know when a family hits a place and everything goes off the rails immediately. And it's about being hangry. And like Coca-Cola didn't have ice in it. So that probably freaked me out for a second. Nothing has ice in it. And to to this day they're still like, still,

I'm afraid we don't have any ice. We can put it on the cold shelf. Have you ever experienced the cold shelf in Britain? No, what is the cold shelf? It's a shelf, but it has no refrigerating quality. It's just a shelf. I've got some on the cold shelf. It's a shelf near the door. That's it. Is that true? Wow. Yes. It's 100% true. Mostly. Yeah. Yeah. If you're hot, go sit on the shelf, baby. They say that to people. Why? Why don't you? Nobody calls anybody baby in Britain. You can't see baby. That's not it. No, you have to get an actual baby in Britain, legally, to get called baby.

You can't say, hey baby, what's up? In the South, it's just, okay, I would just naturally go and go, hey baby, why don't you go sit on that shelf? Have a seat. Y'all, y'all, y'all sugar, y'all go sit on that shelf. That's not, that's not very... Now in Britain, if you call someone baby, if you say, hello, baby, it's a baby. It's an actual baby.

Oh, it's an actual baby. And so the chances of you getting a reply are limited. Yeah. I was just probably being a nice, you know, one of my aunts or something calling me that to tell me, go sit on the shelf. But yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right.

You're right. So if I go to the South, the next time I go to the South, if I call people baby, they'll think it's okay. Hey baby. Can I have a scurril? I haven't lived there in 30 years, but I'm pretty sure, you know, it's classic. Hey y'all. Hey baby. I don't know. I see. I feel a great affinity for people in the South because I also walk the earth

meeting everyone I meet feels they can do my accent better than me. I think people in the South also experience that. What are you doing? You can't do it. Yeah hi y'all. Hi baby. Do you have any toothpicks? There you go. That's a classic. Y'all have toothpicks. Which There you go. Oh, that's a classic. Y'all have toothpicks. Which actually probably is. Everyone likes to pick their teeth. Cause you would go to those restaurants like Sizzler,

which anybody who knows Sizzler or something, or any of those like chain steak places where you're getting like a- Waffle hut. Waffle hut. Waffle house, waffle hut, whatever they're called. Yeah, you'd have that little thing where you would rotate the little plastic dial on the side

and it would get one toothpick in it and the toothpick would come out. Yeah. Y'all have any toothpicks in your dial? You have the dial-up toothpicks? Yeah, yeah. That was like, you know, that was pre-COVID. They knew how to get one single,

that's one touch, one touch toothpick device was already invented way before all that. Did you get COVID by the way? Twice. Yeah, me too. Yeah, I had. How bad was it? Was it pretty bad?

The first one was, I guess it's all subjective, but it was like, you know, the fever, don't feel like doing anything, sit on the couch for a couple of days. And then it just sort of broke the second time felt like nothing had happened. Did you get vaccinated? Am I allowed to even ask? I don't know. I mean, I'm not afraid to say it. Of course.

Yes, I did. Yeah, no, I, I get vaccinated. Uh, I took Ivermectam. I, I, I drank bleach. I took ivermectam. I drank bleach. Yeah, that's so smart. Yeah, I feel like I took all the precautions. Well, some of those things are just wonderful things you don't want to let go. Like I keep wiping down my groceries just for nostalgia.

Yeah, I still do that. Let me just wipe down these turkey burgers and just get them nice and clean. Yeah, I, I still bulk buy enormous amounts of toilet paper. So smart. Just in case it comes back. So smart. Huge amounts of toilet paper.

Truckloads of it. I bought big things of ketchup. I really thought that was going to be a, you know, a possible, you know, empty shelf, but anyway, I was wrong. I had plenty of ketchup. going to be a, you know, a possible, you know, empty shelf. But anyway, I was wrong. I had plenty of ketchup. In Britain, you get your ketchup from the cold shelf. Well, you know, it's probably makes sense because everyone debates whether ketchup should be in the fridge or not be in the fridge.

Well, here's the thing though. It's not called ketchup in Britain. It's called tomato sauce. Right. Classic. And it goes with the other sauce they have is, and I'm not kidding, brown sauce. And what is brown sauce?

Is it like an A1? Is it like a, you don't know? I guess. Or gravy? It was like a steak sauce thing, but they call it brown sauce. Have you any brown sauce? I think a color shouldn't be the name of a sauce.

No, not at all. And I also think whoever invented brown sauce has always been offended because they were like the ingredients deserve some respect. And he goes, wait, do you taste this? Oh, I love your brown sauce. And they go, no, no, no, it's, it's delicious, baby. It's 10 ingredients. Oh, I don't care.

It's brown sauce. Brown, Brown will do fine. I think that's probably what Shakespeare called coffee now when I think of it see Right again full circle and now we know You know what? I think that is the goodest time as any to say good day Then oh great. That was it. Yeah, that's it. That's it. We don't go on forever with this thing We know we we get it done. What we call each other baby. We don't go on forever with this thing. We get it done. We call each other baby. We talk about pre-Shakespearean beverages.

And then it's time to move on. Heaven. That's heaven. It is heaven. It's heaven to see you again. It's good to see you from afar. I wish I could be in the room with you because it is kind of an open secret of how delightful you smell. And I wish I could be in the room. I can only imagine what your kitchen is like.

You must smell like... It's just... Coffee. It's like chamomile and dracar cologne. It's just a beautiful collection of scents. It's like going to Diptyque. I think that... You know the candle shop?

Yeah, you know, the, the candle shop. Yeah. You, uh, yeah. Do you make your own candles or you just, you just smell the dip sticks? They give you little sticks and they say, what does that smell like? And the older sticks to me, they all smell the same since I've had COVID. Oh, okay. So you had that problem. So it all is lavender to you or something. Yeah.

Well, everything at this point, cause I'm now 63, everything smells like lavender and pee. But I think that's because I smell like lavender. You know, it's so great to have all these things to look forward to the different chapters, you know, certain ages. Those parts of life that are just where everything just falls the fuck apart. No, I remember sitting around the Southern Campfire, my grandfather would tell stories of how, you know, he knew, you know, the love of his life was coming around the corner

because urine and lavender wafted into the house. And I remember how romantic it was to think, oh, here comes Grandma. Yeah. He smelled of it even then. No. I heard the rustle of her bag, and I knew she was the one. Here she was, and then crack crackle crackle of the fire.

Those are the memories. Jim, God bless you. Bless you. It's great to see you, baby. So good to see you. That was so much such a joy to talk to you. It's lovely to talk to you and congratulations on your kitchen. I know I'm seven years late, but thank you. Wonderful. What a journey, right? What a journey.

I mean, I feel like we've all been on that journey. 2018 to 2025. You know, it's been a long road, but we got that kitchen and darn looking. It's a beauty. All worth it. All right. Take care, my friend.

Thank you. Bye. Bye. Right? Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.

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