Joy, a Podcast. Hosted by Craig Ferguson - KT Tunstall

Episode Date: November 19, 2024

My friend KT Tunstall is a super talented genuine rock and roll star and possesses a wild, beautiful, brilliant soul. A fellow Scot, KT has released eight studio albums and has numerous awards to her name. Her album Eye to the Telescope has been certified 5x platinum. She can turn a story into a song and a song into a story and can chat all day long. This is a fucking cool episode. EnJoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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but today is a little bit different because I actually do love love this guest. She's my friend, she's a rock star and she really is a rock star. Like sometimes when you say to her, you're a rock star, but she's also a rock star. Her name is Katie Tunstone, she's gorgeous, enjoy this. Tomas, who is producing the show at the moment, is obviously a vampire and he can only come into your house. If people forget that about vampires, you have to ask them across the threshold. Absolutely. Invitation necessary.

Right. Okay. So you're in Sausalito? I'm in Sausalito, California. I can see the Golden Gate Bridge from my little room. And the city at a distance, which is wonderful. Do you know Bonnie Rae? Do you know, I don't know her well, but when I first started out, we were playing in Nashville and I turned, we were playing in some little dive.

It was like a little 500 kind of dive club. And I turned to the right and Bonnie Rae is sitting side of stage watching the show. Wow. Because you know she lives right there in Sausalito. Does she live here? I didn't realize that. She lives right there. No way. Yeah. Because I did a voiceover job this morning in a little, a great local studio called Studio

D recording or something. But he was telling me that Bonnie Raitt just made a record there. Yeah. Because the last time I was in Sausalito, I went to a shop. You know, they have shops in Sausalito. They totally have shops. They have shops and in one of the shops, they sell like little things like art. Yeah. And, you know, a little kind of. All the things that you didn't realize you needed. Yeah, right. And I booked it at Bonnie Ray and I know Bonnie because a very good friend of mine,

who sadly died since actually, was her guitarist for a long time. Oh wow really? Yeah. Well it's all making sense but yeah she's one of the greats for sure. Oh my god she's fantastic. I think you two would get along very well actually. You've got a bit of a Bonnie Rape vibe yourself. Listen she's one of the sets of shoulders that I stand upon for sure. Yeah. She's like pop or lady rock star.

Yeah. Yeah. At a time when women in that area of rock, it wasn't like, wasn't packed with them. No. And, um, I, my, my own brush with that energy from a closer relationship with Susie Quartrow. I, I loved Susie. Uh, what was that? The, the, the, the, the can, the can.

Oh, can, the can. Yeah. And the, and the, and the, and the can, the can. And the, and the cool. I remember watching that in Top of the Pops when I was a kid. The really cool thing about Susie as well was that she did the leather onesie and the kind of mod hair, but she really didn't like wear makeup. You know, she didn't really glam up.

She was kind of one of the guys. But Suzy was the first ever, ever female rock and roll musician to play an instrument on stage. Really? Yeah. And so she'd been plucked out of Detroit, taken over to the UK, um, Mickey Most, Rack Studios. And Mickey Most, who was that producer who was kind of like Simon Cowell before Simon Cowell, right?

It's an amazing story. She, she was, she was in a family band and she actually played drums in her family band with her sisters and the quarter was what they, what were they called the, um, Oh God, I'd have to, I'd have to Google it. I can't remember. There would have to be four of them. Were the four of them in the quarter? It's four sisters or three sisters, but, but the, the, this record, I think

Mickey was gone to America, seen her and they only wanted Suzy and her dad didn't tell her. And so for a year she was sort of carrying on playing in this family group and then finally she found out that they actually wanted her. She went over and ended up selling 55 million records in Europe and Australia. She was a huge rock star. Were you doing gigs with her recently? So I met her.

She was a huge Elvis fan. And I met her about 20 years ago doing like an Elvis, huge Elvis tribute show in Hyde Park. I didn't know this. How did I not know about this? She's such a character. And so I had kind of based my second album cover on her. I've got this, it's called Drastic Fantastic. I've got this big mirrored bass that I'm playing. And it was like, you know, sort of Susie Quartrow homage.

Anyway, she saw me after she played and she goes, Katie Tunstall. And I was like, oh my God, we're like Susie Quartrow. And she goes, I'm handing you the baton. And I was like, what, what fucking baton are you talking about? And she basically handed me the invisible baton of female rock, where she said, you're the one that I see doing what I did and you're the one who's going to carry it on and we need to do something together. And 10 years later, we wrote a Geoettes record together.

20 years later, 15 years later. That's crazy. You know, I talked on the podcast to a young American musician who is a woman who her family are Scottish. What's her name? Bishop Briggs is the name. Oh yes. I mean, imagine being called Bishop Briggs.

Right. She's not really called Bishop Briggs. Using it as an artist name is fantastic. That is very funny because Bishop Briggs to those who don't know, is a suburb of Glasgow. Yeah. And I should call myself Trinit. From Edinburgh. I'd have to be Cumbernauld.

Ah, Mr. Nauld. Cumbernauld. I think I would call myself Cumbernauld. Bernold. Cumbernauld. There't know, because is that your porn name? No, it's my name. Come Bernald. But these... It's amazing. She was saying how much of an influence, cause I said, you know, Katie, and she said,

oh my God, she, and she talks about you the way you talk about Susie Gwiffin. Oh, come on. That's amazing. Isn't that great? It's hard to, it's hard to get your head around that, you know? Yeah. Just like, I've had a few people say it now, you know, cause it's 20 years since

the first record, it's the, it's the anniversary, it was just, it was the 20th anniversary of me going on Jules Holland last week. Was it, and is that, was that suddenly IC? Was that the first one? No, it was Black Horse. Black Horse was the first one? Yes. That's interesting. I always have them the other way around in my head. I see, was that the first one? No, it was Black Horse. Black Horse was the first one? Yes.

That's interesting. I always have them the other way around in my head. I know because I just, so Black Horse wasn't on my album. I wrote it after the album was recorded. I was still a nobody. We hadn't released the record yet, but I was so fucking bored of these confessional, emotional open mic nights. I hated them.

It was just like Phoebe from Friends playing Smelly Cat and crying, you know? It was awful. And I really had, I was really adamant to try and get some rhythm into my set. And whilst trying to pursue my own career, I was the kind of guest vocalist in a Jewish drum and bass band called Oi Va Voi. Oh, that's not true. It's true. It's the same record label. I'm going to get lost because there's so much fun. There's so many funny stories about it. But the record label who wanted me to sign to them was an underground Asian dance label that had Nits and Sonny, who's amazing, they had also

signed Seven Seconds by So Solid Crew as a one single deal. And they said, look, to get to know us, we have this instrumental band that needs a vocalist and they need to write some singles. And there are a 10-piece Jewish klezma drum and bass band called Oi V'Voy. And so I joined that band, wrote some singles, went on tour for the first time, which was brilliant. And the sound guy, I was telling him how awful these open mics nights, and the sound guy Mosheek, was like, I've got this loop pedal in my bag, we should set it up at rehearsal and see what we can do with it." And so at the end of rehearsal one day, we set it up. I mean, it sounded crap to start with, but he kind of tweaked it and helped me. I'd never seen anyone like bash the shit out of the guitar. I've seen them noodle and do like guitar, vocals. I was like, surely if you hit the guitar,

you get a beat. And it sounded like a badminton racket hitting a plastic bin. It just sounded terrible. And Moshe was like, don't worry, we can kind of, you know, play with it. And he got it sounding like a kick drum. And then the scouts for Jules Holland had come to see me rehearsing and just working out how to use this thing. And I was writing Black Horse and I was trying to work out if there was some vocals that you could have

going all the way through a song. I was like, I need some lyrics. I mean, I had no idea what it meant. I was like, these are just lyrics that came into my head to just try and get a song going. They saw me working that out and I was like, excellent, we've got a song in the bag for album too. And then I'm on tour with my mate from Orichne actually, half cousin.

I just had a last blast, like go on tour with a friend and just be in a band rather. I was a bit apprehensive about being the bride, finally, being the front person and being known. Yeah. So it was a bit of a last blast, went on this tour and then got the phone call about Jules Holland that Nas the rapper had pulled out with 24 hours notice and the scouts asked if I wanted to replace a global hip hop star. And I'm like

an unknown unemployed girl from Scotland. Do people in America know about Jules Holland and how important that is for a British musician? I mean, people certainly know more about it now that with the advent of YouTube and everything, but Jules Holland was an original member of Squeeze. Sure. And he presented the tube as well. The tube was a fantastic music show.

It was a music show on British television. I mean, punk AF. It was off- Oh, it was crazy. It was a fantastic music show. It was a music show on British television, which was... I mean, punk AF. It was off... Oh, it was crazy. It was mental. It was like Paula Yates on a bed with Michael Hutchins and, you know, they're practically shagging. I know.

It was amazing. Paula Yates and Jules Holland and Muriel Gray. Muriel Gray, yeah. It was brilliant. But Jules then went on to start later with Jules Holland, which has been now running, I think for 30 years. And the premise is- Yeah, he's a fantastic musician. He's amazing.

And the premise is that you have five or so acts in the round with an audience that are kind of around everybody on the floor and it's recorded as live and everybody plays a song each. And as the rapper was meant to be there and he pulled out and I got the gig. And I turned up. Did that, was that a real change of life thing? Was that like a real like John? Yeah.

That was like shot out of a human cannon. So I get down to the studio. I've never been on TV. My album isn't out. I've no experience of this world. on TV, my album isn't out, I have no experience of this world. And it's Anita Baker, Jackson Brown and The Cure. And Embrace were on it as well. But I'm just down there going, oh my God, this is mental. And I'm thrown out to the middle of the floor, three, two, one, go. And I'm like, just don't fuck it up. Don't out to the middle of the floor, three, two, one, go.

And I'm like, just don't fuck it up. Don't fuck it up. You know, cause the Looper thing, you've got to get it right. Yeah. Once it starts, that's it. Right. That's it. So I'm like, all right, I got the loop going, get going.

I can see Anita Baker like clapping. I'm like, Robert Smith is smiling. Like this is rare. It's going good. And then I get, you know, and I know it's gone well, but it was a risky thing to do. But it was my label boss who said to me, do that fucking woo-hoo thing. And I was like, yeah. And I was like, and I said, but Shabs was my label boss. I was like, it's not on the record. We didn't have a recording of it. It wasn't on the album. And Other Side of the World was the

first single. I was like, shouldn't I play the first single? He's like, no, trust me, play that whole thing. And I was like, all right. And then the next morning, I've won the online poll of the favorite artist on the show. Wow. Against the Cure? Against the Cure, Anita Baker and Jackson Brown. And then on this tour I'm on at the moment, we just played the troubadour in Hollywood as our first night. I know, because Megan and I were trying to get out and we couldn't make it work and I'm

sorry. No, it was fantastic. We played the show and there's a little, I don't know if you've done a gig there, but there's a little corridor upstairs. There's your dressing room. And after the gig is great gig. I'm getting changed and an older gentleman comes straight into the dressing room, which is weird.

Like usually you've got 10 minutes or so after the show. And then I realized it's clearly a friend of Sean's and so, you know, all good. And he's got a beard. And anyway, comes up to me in the dressing room and he goes, Katie, it's Jackson Brown. Oh my God. And I'd never met him that night. And I'd never met him since. And I told the story on stage and Jackson Brown's like, I remember that night.

It was crazy. That's night. It was crazy. That's great. It was amazing. I love, I love when you hear about that kind of collegiate environment that musicians can have. They seem to like proper musicians, particularly, I think, rock musicians, that write. They don't, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that there's a kind of delight in each other's work that I don't see so much maybe with the other areas of entertainment. It's really funny because it's like a kind of high school musical with musicians where

you often like at festivals or something where lots of you are there in one place. Because we don't actually see each other very often. Cause you're touring all the time. I mean, it's probably the same as a comedian that you don't really fraternize that often, you know? And then when you see each other, there's this kind of, are we, are we, are we cool? And then as soon as you know, the vibe is good. You can absolutely gosh and tell each other how much you love each other.

Does it cross boundaries? I mean, have you met people who are wildly outside your musical purview that you think I really want to like work out with you. I really want to jam with you. I really want to play with you like Jimmy. I don't know. Yodlers or... Yeah. I mean, well, what? Like Jewish drum and bass bands. Well, I suppose so. Yeah. I didn't even know the... Yeah, but I think the most impactful one of those was Hall and Oates. So, Darrell Hall does this thing called Life from Darrell's House where he gets bands. It's a bit like Jules, he gets them to come and jam.

Oh, I think I've seen that. And we did one and my head was blown. I was like in Darrell's place, he had a place in London where we filmed it. And I'm playing a fucking glockenspiel and out of touch. And he's, I'm like duetting with Daryl Hull. And I ended up actually going on the road with Hull & Oates a lot after that. And that was just like, it was the coolest. It was so magic. It was the coolest. It was so magical. The 2025 iHeart Podcast Awards are coming.

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and find lasting love, finally, we wanna help. Listen to I Do Part Two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Isn't that the weirdest thing though about getting on a show business that you rub up against people that you idolized when you were young? I mean, you can't get away with that these days. You can't rub up against people that you idolized when you were young. I mean, you can't get away with that these days. You can't rub up against them in the same way as we used to in the 90s. Well, people were rubbing up against people in the 90s in a very different way. In a different way. It was a different time.

No, there's no rubbing now. If you rub, you rub yourself. Exactly. Keep it to yourself. Keep it to yourself. Rub yourself and call yourself come Bernald. But I think the funny thing is, it's like, you're still a fan of these people, you know? And I find when I'm in those environments, you just got to go, just fucking be cool. Just be cool. Just be cool. Just be normal.

They're just musicians, just like you, they're just musicians, you know, and not lose your shit. Because the thing is, if you lose your shit, you miss the opportunity of actually connecting and having a friendship with someone. You know? I remember when I, you know, when I all first kicked off and I was friends with Scarlett Page, Jimmy Page's daughter from Lesotho. And it was at the Brits and she, and I was wearing these amazing Vivian Westwood boots, right,

that I'd got for the thing. And I won that year. It was a brilliant year. And she goes, do you want to meet my dad? And I was like, yes, I really want to meet your dad. Yes, I will meet Jimmy Page. And I'm so trying to be cool and meet Jimmy Page. He's like, hello, Katie.

And I'm like, oh my God. I'm like, hi, Jimmy. I said, how are you? And he goes, I'm great. He goes, I love your boots. And I said, and I just went, I love you. And he went anyway, nice to meet you. Bye.

Do you know that's why, that's why I would never let the bookers approach David Bowie to appear on the late night show. God, what would you do? I was like, don't, I don't know if I can keep it together. I know. I feel the same way about Bowie. I never met Bowie and I would, I think I would be a bit the same with Dylan. I just, I just like, I don't know what the hell you'd say, you know?

I know. I mean, to just say, you're great. I think it's probably be weird. But it was brilliant when I did Jules Holland. I met Robert Smith after the show and he was actually the first famous person I ever met. I'd never met a famous person. First one I ever met?

Who? Robert Smith. Shut the fuck up! This is crazy! Like our first gigs were at the Edinburgh Festival. Yeah, Robert Smith. There used to be a show, there used to be a show on TV in Britain called Jukebox Jury. I remember. Right. And it was like some people would come on and they would talk about songs. Like there's four people and you play a bunch of new singles and people either go thumbs up or thumbs down and say whether they like them or not.

And for some, somebody must have canceled and I got invited on jukebox jury and Robert Smith was on jukebox jury, but this is before I got sober. Wow. So I was going, ah, and, and I remember it only because the single that we were judging was unbelievable by EMF. Right? Wow. That's how long ago it was.

Right? So unbelievable. Yeah. And I, and Robert Smith didn't like it. He's like, nah, I don't think it's going to be a hit. And I was like, no, it's awesome. It's going to be a hit. And I was drunk and all that.

And, um, and I still kind of feel a little weird about it because I don't think I was, uh, I don't think I was very impressive as a character in those years. I don't know if I'm that impressive now, but back then I was drunk a lot and I argued with Robert Smith about the value of Unbelievable by EMF. However, I was right. Yes, you were right. And I'm sure a guy like Robert Smith appreciates some honest conviction. You know what you're right. He probably, you know, he probably has people fucking just

agreeing with him all the time. Now as I think about it, he probably thinks about me a lot. All the time. In fact, the new Cure album probably has a song about you on it. He probably remembers it and thinks, oh, you remember that drunk Scottish guy on jukebox during, I really liked him. He challenged me intellectually. So when I met him, it was the end of the show and they have a nice little after

show and he was still there. And I remember thinking I've got to go and say hello to him. And so say hello. And he told, I was asking if they'd enjoyed making the new album they made. And I really remember he sounded like a 21 year old who just started a band. He was just so excited about new music and it was just, he was just a great dude. I loved his energy about talking about what they'd made and they, you know,

they'd already been around for 20 years or whatever. Yeah. But I've, I've heard you talk like that too. I've heard a lot of musicians talk like that. When you have new stuff, it's like... Oh, yeah. Well, that's what you hope. That's what you hope you feel like. But then that kind of dried up and I thought, I want to keep talking to him. So what do you do? I should ask him a question, you know? And I didn't really think about it. I said, what are you up to this weekend? And he goes, oh, well, I'm having lunch with my parents. And I was like, fuck, ask him something else. I said, what did they think of your hair and your lipstick?

I'm like, oh my God, this is a nightmare. And he just smiles and he just goes, I don't usually do that when I go home. That's very nice. And he was just the best. And, you know, he's an icon. I mean, he's a game changer. He ended up giving me a quote for my very first press release. No. Yeah it was he was so sweet. You keep in touch? No like we didn't kind of we didn't swap numbers or anything. I was just going

to ask if he if he had mentioned me at all since since Jukbox jury in about 1987 or something. Yeah, I'll pass on a signed postcard of you next time I see him. Yeah, that's right. Thinking of you. Thinking of you thinking of me. Thinking of you thinking of me. Do you sell merch on your tour? I do sometimes. Historically, it doesn't seem like my crowd are big merch heads. I've often just, it's often just been very poor. And the one thing that I've found these days that actually has been a complete

turnaround is I do little handwritten lyric sheets and put them in a little frame and people love that. So I think my crowd are much more about music than they are about t-shirts. Well here's what I have learned about merch. Please do tell. It's that if you sell merch on the road, it's all about the design of the shirt. Yeah I can't get it right. No and here's the thing, design of the shirt. Yeah. I can't get it right. No, I can. And here's the thing.

Don't get involved. That's because I think, no, I say, no, do this, do that. Whenever I have an idea for a t-shirt, nobody fucking buys it. Maybe that's why. I've always had the ideas and it's never worked. Don't get involved. It's not your area. Yeah.

Well, sadly, Vivienne Westwood is not available. Get somebody Nearly as clever as Vivian Westwood to do like Tomas He he farms it out to ask my tour manager farms it out to a merch company I must I must get the details. I did really want a t-shirt Do you remember everyone used to wear the Katherine Hamlet t-shirts? You know, choose life. Yeah, Frankie say relax and war, hide yourself and stuff. I wanted her to do a tour shirt that said, I did life in Fife. But she wouldn't do it. She didn't do requests.

Is that where you grew up? I grew up? I grew up in Fife, St Andrews. Was that? Yeah, it's quite a posh town St Andrews. Were you quite posh? Well, I mean, it's definitely got a spectrum community in St Andrews. But I was academic families because my dad was a physicist. So my mom and dad were English and they moved up just before, well, I was going to say I

was born, but I was acquired because I was adopted. But yeah, so I think your story is so interesting. It's quite a journey for sure. It really is. But dad was a physics lecturer and so we and I found academia was almost a bit like a religion where really it was sort of very hermetically sealed and it was all just academic people hanging out with each other. And for sure, you know, the bitchiest motherfuckers I've ever come across as well is academics. Like they're more competitive than fucking teenage stand-up comedians. They are unbelievable.

They've always got a bad word to say about somebody else in academia. Well it's why I really respected my dad as well because he just didn't give a shit about being a professor. All he wanted to do was research and he was just like, undergraduates are a waste of university money. And he just loved researching. And I remember the one thing that I've really taken to heart that my dad explained to me was one day he was really upset because they weren't getting the funding for experiments. So all my life growing up,

dad would go work at eight in the morning, come home for lunch, go back to work, come home for dinner, and then take me and my brother to his lab every evening because he had to kind of keep checking these experiments. And like he used to fucking play games with liquid nitrogen with us. You know, it was, it was, but he was very dedicated to the experimental research that he was doing. He was working in nuclear magnetic resonance a lot, which led to MRI machines and, um, yeah. And radiology.

Is that why you light up in the dark? Exactly. You can always see where I am. I mean, honestly dodgy stuff. 12 people in his department ended up getting cancer because they were just ignoring radioactive science. But the one thing my dad said to me was that he was trying to get funding and he said, oh my God, they're only giving us five years funding. You know, there's almost no point in doing it. And I was like, that

sounds crazy. I said, what do you mean? And he said, well, you've got to fund for 20 years because you're never going to find out the answers to this research in five years. And then I thought, so will you know the answers to your research? And he was like, probably not. And I was like, wait, what? So you're dedicating your life to researching something that you will probably never know the answer to. And he's like, absolutely. That's for sure. That's the mark of it. I think that's the, there's an old quote, which I love, which is, is a mark of civilization

and a man that he will plant a tree that he knows he will never stand in the shade of. Beautiful. That's exactly it. And that is, that is remarkable. And that is an amazing mentality. Yeah. You know, that you're part of the course of exploration. You're not going to be the person.

Was he a musician? Not at all. Neither, neither of my parents were musical at all. They thought I was, they were just, the thing was that they got me lessons. They could recognize that I was talented as a young kid and absolutely to their credit, they got me music teachers and came and saw me performing at the Bayer theater, all these plays, you know. And then when I actually left college and said, guess what?

I'm going to be a performing artist. They were like, no, they were like, we thought you were going to be a flute teacher, you know? And so it was very frightening for them because they didn't even listen to music. They weren't music fans. There was no record collection in my house. That's very odd. I wonder if it is a genetic. Do you think? Well, I think in my case. That's very odd. It was odd. Is it genetic, do you think?

Well, I think in my case, yes. I think, yeah, apparently my biological father, who I never met, but found out who he was through Long Lost Family, the ITV show, was Irish. I knew he was Irish, but apparently a very, very good singer and a bar owner. So he would just sing for everybody. So yeah. Wow. But it's always been innate. It sort of feels like, it feels like, I mean, I'm sure it's the same with you with comedy and comedic timing, that you just feel like you've been born bilingual. Yeah, I can, it's something I can do. I know I can do it. I know that if I have to do it, it's something that I can do. I know I can do it. I know that if I have to do it, it's interesting because I've watched you

perform in very different spaces. I've seen you play in, you know, giant fucking arenas. And I saw you do a gig in a record shop in London where there was 20 of us in the shop or something. That was brilliant. And, but you're exactly this, it's not, it's, it's a different technique because if you're playing in a giant show, but you, you seem to me, and I know exactly, cause I know how this feels. There is a kind of an ease and a sense of purpose that comes with the walk out onto the stage. You go, now I'm going to do what I actually know.

Everything from now on, I'm going to be all right until this stops. I mean, I feel that really comes with time. Like I wasn't like that at first. And when I, it's funny because when I watched myself when I'm younger, I'm like, I look like I'm, I look, I seem cool. Like I'm not really looking at the audience that much. I'm not saying that much. I'm a total blabbermouth now.

And I'm looking and I know, I know looking at, I'm like, I'm shy. I'm definitely shy and I'm, I'm, I'm compensating by kind of playing it cool. And now that I'm older, I'm just an absolute like, you know, gobshite. I'll just go on and be, and I'm just, I'm talking to the crowd like I talk to you. and be, and I'm just, I'm talking to the crowd like I talk to you. But I wanted to ask you this because I knew we were talking today that did you, do you remember or have you ever had a relationship with this idea of the abyss when you're performing? You know, that you can go off the edge of a cliff, that it can fucking go horribly wrong.

Like, do you live with that? I think I might have done it. I think you actually, that was your career. I think you're talking exactly my technique. No, I know exactly what you're talking about. Let me ask you though, because have you finished describing it? Because I- Well, my point being was that I believe,

I subscribed to that in the early part of my career. And there was a turning point where I realized, I think it's a myth. I don't think it exists. And that's when I changed my demeanor was like, I actually don't think anything can really go wrong here. I think it's up to you if it goes wrong. I think that's right.

That's what it's funny that happened to me in a very definite way. I have it filmed actually. Um, when I was doing late night, because until late night, I was doing very much the formula, you know, the life of a, an actor and a comedian and a writer. And I would do this and do that, but late night, because I had to do it every night. It was the repetition every night. I had to be a different show every night. I kind of began to get bored. Right.

And the boredom was interesting. Dangerous. Yeah. Well, what I haven't told a lot of people, and this might be the first time I've talked about it publicly, for about two years when I was, round about when I did,

that monologue I did that everyone talks about when Britney Spears had that meltdown, and I was, I happened to be 15 years sober that day and I was like, it was in 2007. And by the way, thank you for doing that. It was a really extremely powerful thing to do. That was the best though, because what happened right at that time, I so hated what I was doing. I hated it. I hated pretending that I was doing jokes like, hell yeah, have you guys been watching the playoffs and stuff?

I don't watch the fucking play. I don't even really know what a playoff is. And I was pretending to be someone else and I was bored and I hated it and I was uncomfortable. And then that thing happened with her that weekend and I felt terrible for her. But it was, and I, when I went to work that morning, it was during that period, maybe a couple of months before and it ended a couple of months after. Everywhere I went, I had my passport in my top pocket. So that, cause I thought tonight's the night they're going to fucking get rid of me. Tonight's the night I'm not going to be able to stand it and just fucking leave and fuck it and go to Bogota or something.

So you were in flight mode? All the time. Wow. And I think you're right. There comes to a point where you go, you don't have to run to escape the fucking, the bonds of your own terror. You don't have to fucking run, you know, that you can, you can face it right there and fine, whatever fucking happens, happens.

And I think you just, you realize you're not a visitor to a venue. Yeah. The venue is yours. That's right. And I said this to the crowd the other night. I said, this is entirely collaborative. Like, this doesn't happen if you're not here and this doesn't happen if I'm not here.

And that's the magic is that you create this totally unique closed loop circuit with those particular people. And I say it all the time, because I think it's really great for people to remember that when you're in a venue watching someone or you're performing, those particular people. And I say it all the time, because I think it's really great for people to remember that when you're in a venue, watching someone or you're performing, it's the only time in the history of the fucking universe that those specific people will ever be in a room together.

It's like a fingerprint of the gods. And you've got to embrace the analog of it. Exactly. And remembering that that experience cannot be emulated by technology. It's completely protected from any possible future. It's fucking magical. It's magical. And it's to be awed and to be respected.

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And you know the Agora Theatre in Cleveland is a big venue, it's a nice venue, I like it. And I was on stage and I was kind of mucking around with the audience towards the end of the night. And I said to them, you guys are probably familiar with the Danish Christian existentialist philosopher Søren Kierkegaard when he said, and I believe this to be true, only the noble of heart are called to difficulty. And I said, it's a pain in the ass to go out at night. It's a pain in the ass to get a babysitter, it's a pain in the ass to get in the bus or the train or get your car. Parking is a pain in the ass, getting a ticket is a pain in the ass. The ticket websites are a pain in the ass. Everything's a pain in the ass. And I know it's all difficult. I know it's all that. And I know that money

is fucking tight for a lot of people too. And the fact that you did all that, you went through all of that fucking niggly bullshit to come here and hang out with me. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. And then they waited for the joke and I said, I don't have a joke. I really mean it. And that was a kind of weird moment as well. And I love that. And I like what you're describing. It's true. It's different. And talking of squeeze, so I don't know if there would be a Katy Tunstall if it wasn't for Squeeze, right? Because it went on Jules Holland, didn't have a recording of that song. So the

first 10,000 copies of the record are the audio from Jules Holland. Shit. Yeah. No idea of that. And then we had to rush record a version of the song to actually get it out as a single. And we ended up recording it in Chris Difford's studio, who's also from Squeeze. And then fast forward, you know, 18 years, I'm invited to go on tour with Hall & Oates and it's two openers.

It's me and Squeeze. So I'm on first, then Squeeze, then Hall & Oates and it's two openers. It's me and squeeze. So I'm on first, then squeeze, then Hall and Oates. And this was the 25th of February, 2020. So it was just before everything shut down. We were playing Madison Square Gardens and it was, it was, you know, and it's just Holy grail. It's like, that is the pilgrimage and it's, you just, it's not on your bingo card of life that you might ever get to play that place, you know?

So I was so excited. It was a bit of a cut downtime set because of the special venue. So I had 20 minutes opening time. And the other thing that's amazing about that for me particularly is that I'm solo. So like who the fuck ever gets to play, you'd always have a band playing Madison Square Garden, but I get to get on stage to 20,000 people who wouldn't come and see me on my own and play a set for them.

So I'm just, oh, you know, so excited. And a friend of mine, it's total name drop, is a photographer called Pete Sousa, who was Obama's photographer and Reagan's photographer. But I know him through Brandi Carlisle and he does quite a lot of music photography these days. Anyway, he's in town.

So he says he's going to come to the show and I go on stage and I start. I mean, it's just phenomenal that space. Have you, have you gigged there? I've never played it. It's an amazing space and it's in the round. So it feels kind of quiet. Oh, I've built this stuff there. Yeah, yeah.

So I go on stage and there 45 seconds into my song, all my gear craps out. Geez. The lights turn off. It is dead. I have no, no equipment. My guitar is not working, but for some reason my mic is still working. And so I'm fucking on stage with my pants down, with a microphone in front of 20,000 people for that.

I am familiar with. Like a minute into the first song and the guys are kind of running around trying to work out what's happened. And I'm just going, Jesus Christ, do I? And I thought maybe I should sing an acapella song, but I don't know what would work without the music. And I just, I couldn't get my head around it quick enough. And I'm thinking in my head, all roads have led here, you know, to being on one of the biggest, most famous stages in the world in this situation.

And I just felt myself go, fuck it. No abyss. Go. And I just got on the mic and I just went Madison Square Gardens, if the 15 year old me could see the 47 year old me standing on stage at Madison Square Gardens while all of her stuff delighted. And everybody just roared and gave me a massive standing o. They got the gear working and I had a phenomenal rest set. And it was incredibly memorable. And Chris Stifford was standing side of stage watching. And I did a podcast with him recently, and I told that story and he let me tell it.

And he was like, well, I know that happened, Katie, because I was there watching you. And I was like, God, I just blocked everything out. But Pete Souza was behind me on the stage and he took this picture of me once I got going again. And my hair is just flying in the air and my muscles popping out. And it just felt like the arena,

felt like a gladiator in the arena. What happened? You know, what do you do when it hits the fan? And it was funny. It was another of those moments where I was like, there's no way anything is ever going to be as confronting as that, as everything going wrong at MSG. I've done it. I've done it.

I came through the fire. Yeah. But also what happens is I think, I don't know if this will happen to you, but it certainly happened to me when things started to go wrong and I enjoyed it. I started to look, I started to look for it to go wrong. I kind of, I'm a little, I'm a little guilty of it. Like I, I, when I started in late night, I had, I think eight or 10 writers. When the time I had finished, I had three. Cause I was like, it just put some stuff on the thing and work it out. But that's why it was so brilliant. And that's why I talked to a lot of people over here and you are just

their absolute number one favorite. Like they go back and the guy who's with me on tour just watches the reruns all the time because it's a completely different level of engagement. It's not possible, but it's not possible in a company environment. It's, I think that it's when I watch it and I wonder if a band does the same thing to a personality like you, because you are a consummate musician. I've known, I know you and I know you and I've worked with you and I love you and I know how you work, but I also know you and I, you know, we've, we've played musical instruments

together with my young son and I know that. But I think this is, and I've said this to you, I think you think like a stand up. I think you think like, yeah, you have that kind of, of course you can play in a band. Of course you can play with other musicians. You enjoy it. You're good at it. I can fucking run around with actors and mileage, I can do all that, but really, when you're on your own,

that's when it's fucking... And I have to say, there's been times where I've thought, God, it would be nice to be in a band, wouldn't it? To sort of not be, really just not be the absolute captain of the ship all the time and for everything to be your decision and all the consequences of that be on you. But I have to be completely honest. I'm fucking very relieved. I'm a solo act. Yeah. I think that's easier on everybody, including the musicians that you work with.

Not because of unreasonableness, just because it's a... I do like to have control of that, of the stage and of how it goes. And when I'm on stage, I'm very aware of, I've got the wand, I've got the conch, you know, and you decide how it goes. And I love being able to go, yeah, we're not going to do that. We're going to do this. Also, if you even look at the origin of your, your career from the story you're telling about Jules, uh, doing Jules's show at that time, that's fucking ballsy. You know, I remember, I remember doing it.

It was up in the Highlands somewhere. Did a radio show not long after that was aired. And there was an engineer and he was such a sweet guy and I can't remember his name, but he goes, get it, I was watching the telly, I was watching what you were doing. And I went, Oh no, no, what's she doing? Don't do it. No. And he understood, there was so few people who understood that he could have gone so wrong. The danger of what was going on. Yeah.

But that, whatever that is, that, that, when you talk about the Abes and you talk about the danger, like one of the very first standups I ever did was a punk festival in the IPA or the ICA or something in London. And I was absolutely harangued and booed off stage by the audience and all that. And when I come off, cause I remember Peter Capaldi was there at the time, he was in the band I was in at the time and he was like, Oh dear. I was like, no, I want to do it again. I know. I want to do it again. It's like, you know, I also can't really perform that well, not under pressure.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah. So if I'm filming something and I know that I can do it again, it won't be as good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Also, here's another thing though. Let me ask you this. Sometimes people will come backstage after you've done a show and they'll tell

you how great the show was and how much they enjoyed it. And it might not be a show that you enjoyed as much. And I've, I've decided, I've learned over the time to shut up a bit about that now and just say thanks very much. Yes, I know. There's a real dissonance that can happen between you thinking you've had a great show and they were like, it was nice. Yeah.

Or, or, or you having a terrible time and then just going, oh, it was great. You know. I had one recently. Yeah. I've heard performers talk about that when they're playing in Japan. It's just, it's crazy. Because someone said to me, just don't mumble. Don't ramble.

Because they'll clap for 10 seconds and then it's silence. So they go, and then you're just like, oh my God, it's completely silent. And you just start mumbling nonsense and it happened. But did you mumble? Yeah. I was just like, and a lot of Japanese people don't speak English. So they also, a lot of the audience have no idea what you're saying. Do they understand what you're singing?

Uh, I don't think a good question. I suppose it really matters in music, does it? It's another beautiful thing about music when you travel the world and play for people. You take it for granted that you speak English and there's so many of these countries that you go to. They have absolutely, they're basically listening to the Cocktail Twins. They have no idea what you're, you know, and they really, a lot of audience members won't know what the words mean. And you see that the words are emotionally communicating just as

powerfully as if they did know what you were saying. It's magic. You know what? I went to an AA meeting with a friend of mine from America once in Scotland. She sat next to me in the meeting and at the end of the meeting she went, that was one of the greatest AA meetings I've ever been to in my life. Didn't understand a fucking word. Not a fucking word, but somehow it worked. I was like, yeah, yeah. That amazing kind of osmosis through performance of not necessarily having to, I mean, it's

the same with art, isn't it? With painting or with dance, where there's something just that isn't to do with language at all. Right. And it's the thing that I, you know, I am so jealous of that doesn't exist in standup. If they don't speak English, I can't do it. I don't agree with you though, because I'm fully of the feeling that I think stand up is king. I think it is the hardest, most impressive art. I think it's, I just think it's beyond.

I don't see it that way at all. I think musicianship, funnily enough. Well we can, let's slap each other's asses. And well, that's more of a 90s thing. But you know, the thing is, but Craig, I could be having any kind of day. I could be feeling like shit or I could be feeling great. It doesn't matter. I can get on stage and just play the tunes.

And with stand up, there's just a level of vulnerability where it's going to be pretty... I would think unless you're incredibly good at acting, they're going to see where you're at. No, it's not like that at all. Really? No, it's not like that at all. It doesn't matter what kind of day you've had. It doesn't matter what kind of madness is going on in your life. You can still just enter. Well, when you go on to the stage, you start breathing different air and it's different.

It's a different set of rules. When I, towards the end of my drinking, I was like the last six months, I was, my life was in tatters. You know, my relationship was breaking up. I was homeless for all intents and purposes. And I was doing a show in the West End, I was doing the Rocky Hoarder show in the West End in London, which is a lot of moving parts and a lot of things and a lot of laughs and a big audience and, and, and high pressure. And every night when I heard the, and it was about to start, I thought, okay, everyone's going to be all right for the next 90 minutes. It's amazing that you held that shit together.

I don't know how you. Only for that. I think it's, and I think that's what it, I think that's what it is. I mean, about the standup though, it doesn't, I mean, look at some of the people that do it and then how terrible their lives are when they're not on a stage. I mean, musicians too, the one that always gets me is producers. Yeah.

People that, that do all this difficult kind of work and then can't, you know, balance their own checking account. It's so bizarre to me. I know. I was going to say about comedy that the place that I always just find genius is the silence in comedies and just the courage of silence and the comedians I really like, they're just so comfortable in silence and they just don't need to speak into the silence.

And maybe that's the same with music as well. Maybe it's the space as well as... Robin Williams used to always say, Robin always said it was this funny, you'd been so salient but the Robin used to always say that it's jazz. He said, he said, stand up is jazz and the way he did. And he always thought it was music. I certainly nearly every stand up I know and certainly every stand up I like is musical in some way. Yeah. They're not, they have a musical connection at some point. They don't just do that. Maybe it's different now because young people become stand up comedians in a way

that they used to become musicians. Yeah, maybe. Like it's, it's kind of like to me stand up. It's probably a wiser choice these days. I mean, I don't know. The thing about that for me becoming a standup was it was like becoming a real estate agent. It was just like, well, fuck it. You know, I mean, it'll do.

Yeah. Practical. Yeah. Well, not practical, more just kind of like a second choice position. I would have rather been you. I wanted to be you, but, but I can't or didn't or wouldn't or didn't have the talent for it or didn't have the application for it or it just wasn't there. And I ended up doing something else, but I wanted to be a musician. And I think a lot of, and I've seen it with a lot of actors and standups who all really

kind of want to be rock stars. And let's be honest, everybody wants to be a rock star because you don't, you don't say to someone as a compliment, if they do something really well, you don't say, you know, you say, ah, you're a rock star. Thanks man. You don't say, oh, you're a comedian. Thanks man.

Oh, you're a graphic artist. You're an absolute actor. Thank you. You're a graphic artist. You're an absolute actor. Thank you. You're a voice over voice. You're a guy that can write really good jingles. Thank you very much.

It's not, they don't do that. It's a rock star. Rock star is it. I was talking about this to someone the other day about this, the very common actor desire to do music. And I really relate to it because I do think it's because they're spending a career being given the words and told how to say them. And so music is absolutely autonomous. You get to do the performance. And the other thing is if you're in a movie or a TV show, you don't get an audience fucking clapping at the end of every scene.

We get a huge applause every four or five minutes. You know what fucking bothers me about musicians as, is, as well as that you can go out and people will wait for the song you wrote 20 years ago. If I do a joke that I wrote 20 years ago, I have a fucking riot in my hands. I can't even do a joke I wrote a year ago. Yeah, you get criticized. It's like, where's the energy gone? There was an amazing, there was an amazing, there's an amazing bit of audio on the Joni Mitchell live album, Miles of Isles, which

is a beautiful, beautiful live album, I think from the Greek theater or a Fullywood Bowl in LA. And she's about to sing Circle Game, I think. And she's a painter, obviously Joni Mitchell, you know, great, did a lot of her own album covers. But, you know, she's got that great voice and she just goes, you know, I was always really envious of painters. They can be whatever they want. They can either just stay in the attic and not show anybody their stuff or they can try and sell their work for a million dollars, whatever. But you know, no one ever said to Van Gogh, Hey man, paint starry night again. Brilliant.

It's brilliant. Yeah, true story. There's a lot of, there's a lot of like, obvious benefits to being a musician as a performer where... Where you're doing a great job with it. Very intimate gratification, you know. You're fucking great at it though. I like being your friend. I like being your friend.

I like being your friend, and I like being... You're not uncomfortable with me being a fan, which I think is a very advanced, I think you're fine with. I am a fan, but that's okay because you can be a fan and a friend of someone. It's all right. It's all right. But I think it's a very good moment to share with anyone watching this who might not know that our worlds have smooshed together. They have. In a big way.

They have. The musical of a movie that I did 20 years ago. Yeah. Saving grace, which now you've written the songs for the music for the musical. Music and lyrics for the musical. And it's really good. It is really good. It's really good.

I'm so excited. And I think we're going to do it in London next year. I think that's what's going to happen. Yeah. It's all feeling really good. It is really good. It's really good. And I think we're going to do it in London next year. I think that's what's going to happen. Yeah. It's, it's all feeling very good. I think that's great. And that means you and I will be in London. Yeah.

And it's a long time. Like we've been working on it for years and years, like maybe eight years. Um, and these things take a long time. And I really feel like we've fashioned something fantastic. It's really cool. Isn't it? When we did the preview shows. It was great. What was it like making that film? Slave and Grace? It was fine. Did you enjoy it?

I loved it. It was a great time. Brenda Blethan. Brenda was so fantastic. We laughed the whole time we were making that film in Cornwall. Oh, really? Sweetie! She's just brilliant. had, we laughed the whole time we were making that film in Cornwall. Sweetie! It's brilliant! She, she and I made up, did I, I think I told you this, we made up a sea shanty. Oh, I'm sure.

When we were in Cornwall. I can still remember it because, and I will sing it for you now. Please do. It is, he's got blonde hair, a black mustache and a great brown bushy beard, but he's ginger down below me boy, he's ginger down below. So Brendan Blethan played a really big role in my life. I was able to tell her actually when I met her and it made her cry was that secrets and lies was the movie that made me look for my biological mother.

Oh, shit. Because I just thought, I was very close to my mom and I was very close to my dad, but you've always got that question of like, I just want to see the other bits that make me, you know? And I watched Secrets and Lies, which is just such a work of genius. And I just thought that's an absolute shit show and I feel like I could handle that. And if I could handle that then I can probably handle whatever is it'm in London. Oh, I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London.

I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London.

I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London.

I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London. I'm going to be in London. I'm going to go. Yeah. Yeah. Are we seeing you soon? You're coming to our house or what? Or are you going to the East Coliseum? When am I seeing you? I'm going to be in London. Are you seeing Megan in London? Megan's going to London. Are you going to see her then? Yes, all January, February. Yeah, I think we'll be there. Because I'm also getting Clueless on stage.

You're getting the musical of Clueless, which you've done the music and lyrics for. Yes, and it's going to be at the Tripolga Theatre in the West End from the middle of February. All right. So we'll come and see that. We'll come for her.. And it's going to be at the Tripolga Theater in the West End from the middle of February. All right. So we'll come and see that. Yeah, it's going to be fun. Yeah, that'll be... It's just an advert for saving grace. That's all it is. Yeah, knock it off.

All right. Well, bugger off and thanks for doing this and I'll see you. Love you. I love you too. Of course I love everyone in the podcast, but I actually do love you. I know, it's actually fam, proper fam. Yeah it is, it's family. I remember when we first met doing Saving Grace and we were talking to someone else and we were obviously bonding on the Scottish thing and we were talking about bad language and I was like, people don't understand. And I said, a good way to explain it is, is Craig here. He's a great cunt. And they're like, well, you can't, you can't, no, that's how

to explain it. And you just look to me and you went, I like you! I like you! That's so funny. There you go. Alright, get out of here. I'll see you in London. Big love, see you soon. Bye!

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