Joy, a Podcast. Hosted by Craig Ferguson - Nellie McKay

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

Meet Nellie McKay, an incredibly talented singer and songwriter. She's released many wonderful albums and has performed with Laurie Anderson, Joan Osborne, Suzanne Vega and the Brooklyn Philharmonic Orchestra. Her role as Polly Peachum in The Threepenny Operaearned her a Theatre World Award for Outstanding Debut Performance. I hope you enJOY!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The name of this podcast is Joy. I talk to interest and people about what brings them happiness. Hello everyone. It is I, Greg Ferguson. Welcome to the Joy podcast coming to you from London, England. Well, I'm in London, England. My guest today is not them. Although she was born in London, England, which is a strange coincidence.

Not really. She's a true American genius and someone that I really get a kick out of and I think you will too. Please welcome the wonderful Nellie McKay. I am very excited to be talking to you again, Nellie. It's been a while. It's actually been a minute or two. Where are you? Is it Christmas where you are?

It looks very, very festive behind you. It's always Christmas. And in fact, I don't know if you ever worked in piano bars, but I once got fired from one for playing Christmas music in July. But that's the best time to do it. I've never worked to piano bars, but let me ask you this. Have you worked a lot of piano bars? Oh, yeah, and I still think about it because it's like the Beatles in Hamburg.

You've got to play eight hours a night or, you know. You actually, you probably know this, but you perform less once you go pro. Oh, yeah, no, that's for sure, yeah. Because then it's always for money. It's a shame. And you're like, no, I don't, I'm not doing it for, but I don't know, what I do, you're kind of, you're kind of wrong all the time, really, aren't you? You just kind of talk. I just talk. All I do is talk. Let me ask you about the piano bar, though, because I'm kind of interested. There's a piano bar that I keep walking by. I don't know if you know it. It's on the upper east side in Manhattan. I think it's called, hang on a second. Megan, what's the name in that piano bar? Randy's, Brandies, Brandy's piano bar on the Upper East Side, do you know it? No.

Oh, man. Maybe it changed names. It might have done. But every time I walk by, there's a lot of fabulous-looking men outside smoking cigarettes, and then they go back in and start singing again. It seems like Bohemian Rhapsody is very popular in there. I want to go in. Maybe I should.

Can you play piano? No, I can't play piano, but I can sing rockously with a bunch of middle-aged games. man and I feel that's enough. Well, and you can do their hair too. Yes, I can. Let me ask you this. Are you in rehearsal right now? Are you in rehearsal in New York?

No, we start right after Labor Day. It's like going back to school. Oh, right. Because what's the name of the play? It's a new play, isn't it, that you're doing? It's called Let's Love. Oh, that sounds upbeat. Is it upbeat?

Well, I think it should be called congestion tax Because I hate the congestion tax so much But I'm going to work on Ethan Yeah, there's a lot I'm going to do when he's not around for matinees So I wouldn't go confessing that right now At this early stage in the game But Ethan Cohen who wrote the play I mean, he's written some very dark stuff

I mean he did the screenplay for Fargo and no country for old man. And, you know, is it, but this is this more cheerful or is there a lot of people getting killed with oxygen containers and stuff? I want there to be. I suggested that. I suggested like after every love scene,

I could stab someone. Yes. But, you know, there's so many reasons. There's that Wayans Brothers movie, I think, is it called scary movie or something? And where people just, start going on a rampage and the Hasidic guy comes over to people in the audience start stabbing and he's like, you talk during Shiddler's list. You know, like there's just so many random

reasons. You can stab people. I think it's, I don't know that it's allowed to actually go out and stab people who are in the audience. But you know what, what theater is in? Tell me that because maybe it will be okay. Where are you? It's on 20th Street. So I say anything goes. Yeah, I think I think below 34th Street. Yeah, I think you can stab members of the audience. That's all right. I don't, it's an old bylaw in New York. We should probably find that. Do you know, I want to ask you about it, because I'm in London.

As long as you can tell behind me, if you look out of the window, you could probably see there are chimney sweeps and singing urchins and all sorts of people with their thumbs behind their lapels. You're from London, aren't you? Weren't you born here? Well, I was born there. Yes, so I have dual citizenship. That would seem like a fail-safe, but I've heard that the first on the nuclear bomb list is London.

Is it really? Like if it broke out, they say that's the first place they would hit. Why would they go for London first? I guess, well, it's close. It's close if they're going to be coming out. I don't think about it much. I used to think about it a lot in the 80s, but that was kind of way before your time. See, when I was like 20 when you were born, and during the 80s,

We were always terrified in nuclear wars. Do you worry about nuclear wars? Yeah, you know, and I shouldn't. I should be the last person because I know what humans do. So I should be hoping for annihilation. But all these people who they like to go kayaking, they're not worried about it. Yeah, well, I think if you're kayaking, would you raise a fair point? If you are kayaking, then it's unlikely that you'll be in a place that's going to be nuclear attacked.

Because kayaking, by his very nature, is not usually done in central London. You would think that, but they have all kind of sites all over the world. In fact, you can stay in bunkers on Airbnb. Well, no way. Are we happy about this or are we sad about this? And also, as a follow-up kind of question as well, why this hatred of people kayaking is there, do you have a problem with kayakers? Yes.

I don't know why. They're so smug. Yeah. I kind of feel to say, I know I'll take a lot of hate for this, but I kind of feel the same way about people who cycle. Not the e-bikes. Yeah, yeah.

People who wear all the outfits and the tiny little hats and stuff. I can't do it. Just their tight butts alone that they, yeah, go ahead. Yeah, they kind of wave them in your face, literally kind of say, this is what you don't have. That's what I feel like is going on. Let me ask you this. If you don't kayak and you don't bicycle, how would you get around New York City, man?

A hitchhike. That would be very dangerous. That would be a very dangerous thing to do. Why do you think it got so dangerous? My mother used to hitchhike. And one time she had a guy, he drove her out to the desert, and he said, I've had a lot of Spanish fly. And she had to kind of fend him off and then run through the cactus and the dark and wilderness

to get away from him. But mostly in the 60s and previous, it was a legitimate way to get around and there was a lot less fear for both the people picking up the hitchhikers and the hitchhikers. What changed? See, I have a theory about this that may not fit into the narrative. I don't think it has changed. I think the coverage of it has changed. So I think all of the scary shit was going on before, but it wasn't so like hyperbolic all over the place. I think People have been dreadful for a very long time. And I don't think that they're getting any worse. I think they're just getting more noticed.

There's more news to fill. There's more kind of stories to tell. Every tabloid, every Instagram account, people have got to tell a story. But I want to just bring you back to your mother. And what happened? Oh, I guess she got out. I mean, my, one time they found a gal who had been, you know, hurt.

And I think she had been, then her body had been burned. Oh, my God. And all they found, they said she was a redhead who wore hoop earrings. And I think that kind of took it out of my nana. And then when her mom, my mom called a couple of days later, she was like, oh, Robin. She was from England. Yeah, oh, Robin. But, you know, I mean, it's the kind of thing.

It makes your heart stop. Oh, my God. So I guess, I guess eventually my mom, you know, she stopped doing it. I think one time the cops picked her up and they said, you know, this is illegal and they drove her back home and I'm getting all these stories mixed up but she fell asleep to the sound of the dishwasher and she felt so safe it was probably one of the earliest dishwashers and then one time she lived with a guy I think he was making meth again I'm probably getting all these stories messed mixed up and so but the cooker and you cook it right and it set the house

on fire and so then again the fireman and the police came and so she hid under a pile of laundry she actually fell asleep and they didn't catch her oh my god you should talk to my mom mom, she has much better stories. I feel like I perhaps should talk to your mom, or at least the FBI should talk to your mom. The, um, so it must be quite difficult for your mom if she had such a colorful young life herself to be a disciplinarian with you.

Was she very strict with you when you were little? But you know, it's no fun being the disciplinary and being the organizational one. It's fun being, you know, and she always had a taste. She was on tour in Hong Kong with Albert Finney, and she wound up getting in an argument with him at a bar, which is the best thing you can do with Albert Finney. It's derricker, I would have thought.

Yeah, so you've got to find somebody to manage your tour who doesn't want to go have fun, you know, because, you know, who enjoys filling out forms and checking in hotels. Does anyone enjoy that? I don't know that people enjoy that. Yes. Yes.

Oh, really? I don't know. I've never been good at it. Oh, it's a whole sub, what do you call a fetish? Yeah. It is just a kink. People who like doing, like doing hotel filling in forms. I guess like if you're, if you're used to tax forms and stuff, do you do your own taxes?

Hell no, I don't even know. They're going to get me. Yeah. I should evade them, right? Like Joan Byers. I don't think you should evade your taxes. your taxes. It never goes well for anyone to evade your taxes. I just heard about Percy Sledge because we're thinking about a tuna his for the Ethan show. And apparently he got in trouble

for that. And also he had to have a fundraiser for medical care. Craig, after a man loves a woman, he had to have a fun. He lived in Baton Rouge. I mean, that's like a fifth of the price of stuff in New York. He had to have a fundraiser for medical care. We should move to your house. Why would Percy Sledge would not be comfortable in my house? He's not still around anyway, Percy Sledge, is he? No, but I am. But it's just in this country, I mean, I know you're having trouble with the elites going after the national health,

which used to be sacrosanct in Britain. But I mean, here we don't even pretend. You're just on your own. Wait a minute, I must, I feel I may have misled you. I am in London visiting. I do not live in London. I'm in London right now, but I live in New York City. Oh, that's a nice.

Yes. So I'll be coming to see the show. You will? Yeah, of course. I don't like to go below Midtown, but I'll do it for you. I'll go and see the show, yes. What's in Midtown? The barrier between the Upper East Side where I live and downtown,

which I'm happy to go to, but I don't like going to midtown. It's too busy. No, you're on the Upper East. So that means that must be the new hip district. No, I think it's more than the hip replacement district. It's a little more kind of genteel and quiet. That's why I like it. No, the hip districts are Brooklyn.

Brooklyn is hip. Williamsburg is hip. Where are you? What neighborhood are you in? Don't say that, but just like general area. Oh, I mean, I can't tell you. And it's not your race. It's your class because you can't help it.

Once people reach a certain level, yoga studios and cupcake shops appear. And that's just, it's just how, Craig, how can there be so many people? I know they buy up apartments like his real estate deals. How can there be so many people who can pay, you know, 8,000 a month in New York? You know, so they're always coming for you. So you got, yeah, you got, you got to hide, you know, you've got to hide. So where are you hiding? Where's your neighborhood?

Give me a rough idea. Give me a rough idea. I think I'm going to be pretty close to the theater, you know? Right, that's enough. We're downtownish, downtownish. Yeah, but get this, I mean, Yule Brunner, when he was performing, my mom used to work for Yul Brunner. She was his second assistant.

So he would come off of the stage after. shall we dance and go right to the oxygen machine and just go, and then his first assistant was Claire. So he would say, Claire, I don't know how to talk, Claire, Claire. I need, I need fourth inch rubber bands from Fortham and Masons. And she would say, yes, Mr. Binner, Robin, Mr. Britta needs fourth inch rubber bands from Fortman and Mason. He says, no, Claire, I need half inch rubber bands from Fortham and Mason.

Oh, yes, Mr. Brenner. Robin, Mr. Brinner needs... Isn't this great? It's really a living. It is, but what do you need those rubber bands for? What did your Brinna need the rubber bands for? I don't know, but what problem is this is, between Matt and the evening,

he would go, be with Marlena in wherever he was staying. I don't think he got a lot of rest. And then afterwards, I think after the show, he always liked to wind down. man, people can really kill themselves with the performing thing. Well, you can do that.

And the affair with Marlena thing. Yeah, the affair, was it Marlena Detriek? Was that it was? Yes, and Mommy thinks that it didn't work because they're too much alike. Yeah, I think that that's possible. Having not met either one of them, I'm going to decide that that's actually what happened. And they were too alike. Hello, this is Craig Ferguson,

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influence is to do with your parents because your father's a very kind of uh clever playwright as well isn't he oh yeah i think i think there's something called genetic memory so who knows how far it goes back i mean i don't know if you've done any i have done very little but i do think that maybe some my family were part of the pirates of Penzance. Okay. And so that's why I, we, you know, there's lots of ways to be a modern day pirate. And, you know, you've got to live outside the law, you must be honest. There has to be a certain order amongst thieves and performers for sure.

My wife always says circus folk. We're circus folk. And so the rules are a little different, you know, that, um. Well, what does she do? Yeah. Circusy. She's a little circusy. Rides horses.

You can ride a horse with one leg and stuff like that. No. Yeah, yeah. Can you do that? Do you ever ride horses around downtown neighborhoods? Oh, no, I just want to pet them. Well, I think that's perfectly acceptable. You can pet horses.

You're quite vocal about animal rights and stuff, actually, as I remember, aren't they? We bonded over veganism, as I recall. the last time I spoke to you. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Well, how is it going for you, Craig? Well, I'll be honest. There was a time where I returned to the harsh world of the carnivore.

I'm not going to lie to you, Nellie. During the lockdown, I went beef and chicken a little bit for a while. But I'm back, and I have, was interesting. I don't know if this is of any interest to you, but it certainly was to me. For the first time in my life, I got a medical exam. and the doctor said, your cholesterol is up. You need to go back to your vegan diet. And I said, or take statins.

And I was like, no, I don't want to take statins. If I can avoid them, thanks. So I have returned to the way of the hair before. I'm back. That's wonderful. Yeah, but it was a, you know, it was a right. I imagine you're still where you are with it, right? You've remained true to the cause.

Oh, it's a struggle every day. Because everywhere you go. you know there's this or that yeah of course so i think it's very good that you're honest because you know we live in a world where there's constant temptation in so many ways and so many people it can be hard to understand other people like the pianist mary lou lou lou williams had a severe gambling addiction that's something i've never had um but i you know so it it can be hard to get inside that when if i play a casino or something i mean to me it just seems like such a scam you know it's such an obvious, I ain't waiting around for that slot machine, but everyone has their

thing. And I think especially the more pressure you're under, you're under a thoughtful profession. I mean, if I could make a decent living, like just working for the park service, you know, an equivalent, I mean, I would, it's so nice not to think, you know, and you've got to be witty and you've got to make decisions, and that's tough on you. So, you know, everybody's under some kind of pressure. And food is such a, oh, it's just, it's something you can rely upon. And it's home and family.

It's tricky. It's so, you know, we all got to be kind to one another and ourselves. That's a wonderful thing to say about it. I feel so much better. You know, if the musician thing hadn't worked out, I think some kind of therapy or spiritual guide position for you would have been great. I really feel a little better having listened

to you say that. But Craig, don't you think that if you were working, actually I know someone who worked in a prison, right? And it's this tricky thing because the worst criminals aren't in prison. They die on, you know, the maximum count bed sheets and they go to the fanciest restaurants and they live lives of luxury. However, if I worked in a prison, I can just see, so, I mean, people would, I, you know, I'd be letting people out of their cells left and right.

And they'd probably stab me, you know. Yes, they probably would. Have you ever done a gig in a prison? I've never done a gig in one. I've visited friends in prison, but I've never played a prison. Who did you visit, if you can say? I can't really, but it was in a prison in Scotland. And it was a friend of mine who, I was actually a guitarist I was in a band with.

He got up to some nonsense and he went to a very harsh prison in Scotland. And I went to visit him. It was the only time I've been inside a prison, actually. And I thought, well, gosh, I really would never like to come back here ever again if that's at all possible. If I can avoid ever coming here, and it was at that point, nearly that I stopped cooking meth in the washing machine. Well, where is meth legal? Is there any place? I don't think it is. I don't think it, no, I don't think there's anywhere like you can go and they say, oh, yes, have a six pack of meth or whatever people do.

I don't think it is. Weed is legal, but I don't, I don't know that that's helped at all. I used to be very kind of like, yeah, everything should be legal, but I'm not sure it's helped at all, but I'm not, I don't take anything. Do you take anything? Oh, the only one working. Oh, interesting, really? Because socially, it actually, it bothers people, but I was like, do you need to drink? I said, why wouldn't I need to drink now? I'm happy. But working is, you know, it's that thing. I had a bed, you know, Craig, actually. It's funny you mention this because I got two things. First of all, I had a bad gig in front of Mike Nichols who had seen me at a thing. My mother wrote me this pristine joke, you know,

and it went over so well. So then Mike Nichols, he was like a butterfly at my side, and he kept saying things I didn't know. Like he was saying, me directing Beckett is like you reciting Fouk. I didn't know what he was saying. So I just went, ha, ha, ha. So he came with Diane Sawyer.

to the gig. I was like, I'm a dropout, man. But he showed up with Diane Sawyer, and I worked so hard on these big band arrangements, not thinking you've got to get your material, right? Right? So I didn't, so I said, I bombed the flop sweat, you know, flooded downtown, and he came over to the table afterwards,

the meet and greet him and Diane, and I could just tell it was over, and then he died. So then you realize you've got to get your mind. material or you've got to have some substances. But the second time was when I played a prison in West Virginia. And I had my gig bag. So I had all kinds of embarrassing things, including a couple of little vodka bottles. So who knew that?

I think that's a felony in West Virginia to take that into a prison. Sure. But the worst thing they did is they have now barred me from ever setting foot in a West Virginia prison, which doesn't entirely feel like a bad thing. It's not a punishment, really, in a way. Only on the job. You know, but Craig, you've got to make people happy, whatever it takes. Yeah, it's true.

But whenever I, you know, used alcohol, alcohol was my thing. Whenever I used that in performing, I thought I was doing great with my performance, but everyone has assured me that since I stopped eating alcohol, my performing skills have improved immeasurably. So I don't know. I feel like I couldn't do my job. when I was high. But I think with musicians, it's a little different, I think,

because they can get into a groove. I certainly know a lot of musicians who play in a very altered state a lot of the time, some very successful people. But then again, I know others who can't perform at all unless they're clean. Right. Well, I know Brett Butler, I think it took alcohol to be able to get her to start her whole career. Yeah. For instance.

I love her memoir. Yeah. I don't know if I've read that memoir. Is it good? Oh, it's good. Oh, it's so good. And I know there's an audio version, which is probably great because it's in her accent. Yeah, no, it's funny.

I know I write. I'm a very friendly with Tom Straw, who was the showrunner of that sitcom she was on. What was it called again? Grace Under Fire. Grace Under Fire, yeah. And Tom Straw, who's a good friend of mine, he's been on this podcast, Tom was, The, was the showrunner, the kind of lead writer on that. And Tom, funnily enough, when she,

and she was having a very difficult time during this, when her behavior was very crazy, he will not hear a word against her. He's like, nope, she's super talented, he loves her, it's very interesting. You know, she was having a hard time then. I've never met the woman, I don't know. Do you know her?

I met her once. She played underneath Madison Square Garden. I guess there's a comedy club there. And she was very sweet. She said, oh, I wish I was a little girl named Nellie. Well, I've wished that in my life, too, but not for a while, I don't think. I think you do it so much better than I do. So I wouldn't want to get in the way of that.

Do you ever perform over here in London? Do you work over here a lot? I hope so. I'd love to, the last time I was there, I got so sick but it wasn't it was Linda McCartney's vegan sausages

but it wasn't the fault of the sausages I took them to the hotel microwave and I think they put them on for too little time so it wasn't her fault

but anyway I was very sick the next day and then I went to go see my friend Richard Kind doing guys and dolls I know Richard Kind did you see that I saw Richard

when he was doing the producers Richard Kind was doing the producers and I went to see him that night. He was on this podcast like a few weeks ago. And Richard, I went to see him that night. And then after, this is a long time ago,

because after I went out and I met the woman that I'm now married to. That night when I went to see Richard. So I always think of Richard crying in a very fond way. He's a lovely man, Richard. Where did you go and meet your lady? it was an event after the theater I had to go to it was a party I didn't want to go it wasn't a party it was well it was a party

it was New Yorkers for children charity event and I didn't want to go but I said I was going to go so I went to this New Yorkers for children charity event and I met this woman and we've been married for years oh my goodness it's always the event you don't want to go to it's not funny she says the same thing I mean because she didn't want to go the thing either she was like oh all right and and she went And it's an interest, and now we say that to our kids,

which is always go to the party because you never know who you're going to meet. That's a beautiful story. Oh, and it's all Richard Kind's fault. It's all Richard Kind's fault. So, anyway, I interrupted you because you said you were seeing Richard Kind and guys and dolls in London. Oh, I mean, that's basically, yeah, and then, yeah, I left him a little Bernie sticker backstage. and I said, you know, if you want to hang out. And so he came to do my gig, and it was fun.

He walked me back to the elevator, and elevators can be very dangerous situations, so I appreciate his protection. Well, I don't know. I mean, given your mother's experience with the hitchhiker, I think an elevator is probably a lot safer than you're used to in your family's history, really. I mean, Richard Kinden, an elevator is not a dangerous situation at all.

But I don't know if you've ever read, it's a really, I haven't even gotten that far into it, but Susan Brown Miller recently died, and she wrote a book called Against Our Will. And whoa, once you read that, you're like, oh, cully crow. I mean, they say, say with prostitutes that the most dangerous place is more a hotel room than if you're on the street. Really? So, you know, you just never know. You never know. You've got to be paranoid, you know.

I think I'd do a pretty good job of being paranoid. I stay paranoid a lot of the time. Are you nervous about that? Do you get paranoid? Are you a nervous person, do you think? Well, you have to, because if I got attacked, I would just be Woody Allen. I'd tear up my driver's license. I mean, I knew, because I grew up in Harlem, and we had a, what do it call, a roommate who was a right-wing

folk singer from Minnesota, but he was a real white boy, you know, and he used to get so nervous. He would push a shopping cart and pee his pants and talk to himself so he wouldn't get mugged. So, you know, everybody, you know, I always feel like I'll hurt people's feelings, you know, if I, you know, it's like you suspect any guy that they could, but they are all bigger than you, you know? No, but of course, it's not just Harlem. It's just that at that time, It was, it was, in New York in the 80s, you know, was, was pretty, it was, it was rougher. But, but there was a beauty to it, Craig, because now, I mean, it's, it's ruled by thieves, but they're, they'd steal a lot more, you know, it's, it's a Dylan, it's, steal a little, anitorian jail, steal a lot, and they make you king. Yeah, well, that, it was ever thus. It's interesting, though, that if I was a right-wing folk singer, I don't think Harlem would.

would be, even today, the place where I would choose to live. I feel like there are other domestic arrangements that may be more salubrious to your chosen profession. But I get it. He was also an opera student, which maybe has a layer. But also, Craig, I mean, it's just the facts of life. It's where can you afford to live? But go ahead.

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Every episode gets real about the why behind these changes and gives you the inspiration and maybe the push to make your next pivot. Listen to these women and more on She Pivots now on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the 1980s, I lived in the Lurie site. And there was a lady, a woman that we all knew. in the neighborhood. And she was also an opera singer, but she wasn't very well known, and she was young, and she was starting her career. So she worked in a restaurant. She was

a waitress in a restaurant. She worked at a table at a restaurant. And on the way home every night, she used to sing these areas really loud. We used to hear her walking down the neighborhood because if ever the music stopped, if ever she stopped singing, people would look out on the fire escapes to see what was going on. So it was kind of a way of protecting her. as she was walking home that she would sing this beautiful music into the neighborhood and we would all hear her going home and if she stopped singing and someone go hey what's going on down here get the music band they would you know it would come back up again no kidding that was in new york yeah it was in on 11th street on 1st Avenue

right down like you know where veneer's bakery is down there um right there yeah yeah right there I used to live above that bakery technique yeah it I thought it was very clever. Yeah, yeah. I still love that bakery. I still love it. Well, I'm glad you come back here. Are you still, oh, no, you're on the Upper East Side.

But do they deliver? I'm sure they would for a price, but I don't mind getting on the subway and going downtown. Because, first of all, you can get right past Midtown by just staying on the train. So, you know, you get on the 86th Street, and then you miss it all out, and now you're in Union Square and everything's fine. And the other thing is, like you talked about New York and they, like this people complain about the subway in New York now. I'm like, you guys have no idea. This thing is palatial now. Palais used to, the subway used to be so awful.

And now it's like, this is actually pretty nice. It's all right. It goes everywhere. Very, I don't see much trouble. It's kind of clean-ish. It's not bad. That's funny. live in Queens when I was growing up before Harlem, and we were on the vomit comet, was what they

called the L. It was all like that. And that was where they had the first subway fires was our stop, the Halsey Street Station. But you know, if you're near 86th, I saw Rita Moreno do a book talk there at the Barnes & Noble. I know it, yeah. Afterwards, yeah, boy, but I messed up with Rita. I said, I'd met her because I did another off-broadway show. And I said, oh, after all that, I said, you must be tired. I think she was in her 80s. She gave me such a look. Oh, you shouldn't say that.

Don't mess with the Rita. You know, it's funny when you meet, especially if, and this must have happened to you quite a lot. And when you start doing well and people start listening to your stuff, you start to meet people that you've idolized. And it can be kind of awkward. It's an odd dynamic to be put into. Do you remember the first of your first of you? your heroes that you ever actually met or that you worked with? Oh, gee, I don't know even the first, but, well, Phil Woods used to teach me.

He's a wonderful saxophone player, legend, and he always said, you talk too much about music. But then I remember David Byrne, I think the last time I saw, well, one of the last times, I kind of locked him in the dressing room because I didn't want to let him go. And I kept saying, Mom, can I let David out? But, you know, people are just people. I think it's better if you don't know their work, you know. So I try not to look at it, watch anything or listen to anything, really. You know, it's funny.

I know exactly what you mean. I spend no time or very little time talking to comedians or like if I'm, if I'm talking to a comedian or a writer, it is probably, I don't socialize with people that kind of do the same as me, not very often anyway. Especially if I really like what they do, I'm like, I don't know, I'll just make a fool of myself. I'll say something stupid.

It's interesting you mentioned David Byrne, though, because there was this thing that I remember from when Talking Heads were doing, I guess, the album, Fear of Music, I think. It says it's an early album, or a fairly early album. they uh i found out that david burn was from scotland did you know that we were all super excited when we found out yeah yeah i was like david burn is scotties like the coolest person on earth is scottie i mean like apart from boy but you know boy is no longer with us so it is in fact

david burn now um and he's from scotland they hardly believe it but i've never met him i've never He was, he's a, he's another guy that I kind of thought, like, especially even I was doing late night, and I'd be like, no, I don't want to invite people on that I really, like I idolize too often. I mean, it did happen. There were, you know, people on that I did analyze. But boy was one and David Byrne was another. I was like, don't ask them, just in case they say yes. No, really? You didn't go for it? No. Go for it now, Craig. Yeah, maybe, maybe now it would be okay. Maybe now would be a lot. Maybe now would be a lot. little different. Because I notice when you get older, it kind of, it doesn't stop you enjoying people's work or really appreciating it. But the idea of being intimidated by people like that, it doesn't do the same to me. Does it still have that effect on you if you meet a giant in your field? Well, you just want to have something to say. What do you say that hasn't been said before?

I know. You know, that, that's it. You want to work with them. And I'm sure you have many ideas. I didn't have, but I'll put it up. But my mug that says tomorrow's just a future yesterday, which always wigs me. You can't be saying that the stonters, man. But it's right there in my cabinet every morning. You know, like the monks say they wake up in the morning, Buddhist monks, and the first thing you're supposed to think about is death, because that's supposed to kind of orient your priorities for the day. I don't know. I'm not, but, no, no, you should, you should. Why not write songs for David, or you guys could do just one song together?

And, you know, I mean, he has a huge library in his studio, and he climbs a staircase to get to it. And he brought me down a lot of music. It was very sweet of him, which I've never returned, because how could you? It has his initials in it. I don't want to give that back. Written music, like manuscript? No, it's more. obscure Argentinian orchestras but has DB. You know, I mean, look at how he dressed. He seems

quite meticulous, you know. What is he? He's a tourist. You're both tourists. I should, that's what I should say. If I ever run into David Byrne, I'll say, look, this may sound a little creepy, David, but I know you're from Scotland and we're both tourists. So why not? We'll do a song together. And we'll see what he says. I don't know. I think it might work out. Couldn't you start a few. No, I don't want to have a feud with someone I admire. That's a terrible idea. Have you got any feud? Do you have a celebrity feud going on that I don't know about?

I suggested it to Ethan because Neil Pepe, our director, he was like, we know, we're looking for ways to promote. I said, why don't we have a Twitter feud? And Ethan said, oh, I don't do anything like that. No fun. But he's a Virgo. But another Earth sign, I mean, I do think if the end of the world came, the last to go should be the Earth signs because you're very grounded. But Scott against Scott, I mean, that's great. You should look up your respective clans.

Maybe there's a whole history. I don't think we have to. I think they're Byrne and Ferguson. I think that's it. I feel like the, look, Neely, I don't want to get in the way of your master plan, but this is a terrible idea. I really like David Byrne. I don't want to be in a celebrity feud with David. Byrne. Plus, a lot of people would be saying, who is this person that David Byrne is in a feud

with? We don't even know who this guy is. And David Byrne would be like getting very angry and wearing his big suit. I don't want to do that. There's a great, you know the British radio show Desert Island Discs? Have you ever heard it? No. Oh, it's a great show, Nellie. It's a radio show and what they do is they have, it's been going on for like 60 or 70 or maybe even more years. And what it is is a guest comes on every week and they can be from any part of the world and they choose six songs.

They call it Desert Island discs. Like you're on a Desert Island. You only have six songs that you can listen to for the rest of your life on a gramophone. That's how long it's been going on. So you get to pick six discs and you also get to take, you get given the full work of Shakespeare

and the Bible, but you also get to take one luxury item and a book or something like that and David Byrne was on it I heard David Byrne on it and he was hilarious hilarious it's not what I expected at all

that's what his former bandmates say they say now he's Mr Rogers what the far yeah he's he was he's so he's a very singular a true musician I think like you someone who's mind

thinks in music. I mean, not someone who really even learns music as much as just that's how their brain works. And I think you're very similar. I think you process the human experience through music. I think he does the same thing. Everything is there. Don't you think? I wish I was like that. I mean, before to prep for you, I was listening to Nome Chomsky on consumerism. which is a perfect choice I'm Dr. Joy Harden Bradford and in session 421 of therapy for black girls

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Listen on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know you said earlier on, the Buddhist monks say that when you wake up, the first thing you should do is think about death, right, as you wake up in the morning. I have noticed that the older I get, the more I do that. I wake up in the morning and go, still here, right? Okay, what are we going to do now? It's not bad. But do you have a positive opinion of death?

When do you think, when do you plan to live to? I was hoping 93, I'm 63 right now, that'd be 30 more years, but it depends on how the health goes. You know, I don't know. I mean, you know, if it's going to be very bad for a long time, then, but I don't know. I think I have a reasonably positive idea of it. What do you think happens after it's all over? Do you have any inclination? Do you think about it?

Well, I think we're naturally, and of course this shuts out pretty much everything in our culture, but we're naturally supposed to live to six times the age of maturation, which should be 120, because we're basically not fully formed until we're about 20. But, of course, you know, there's so many ways that is forced upon us that goof that up. But I've lost so many people and good people, the boomers, for God's sake, You know, it used to be when I was playing nursing homes, Craig, everybody wanted Tommy Dorsey. Now, everybody wants Nick Jagger. They say, who's Tommy Dorsey?

Soon it's going to be, everybody wants David Byrne. This is not okay. I don't accept this, you know. You know, and then it's going to be the thong song, song, you know. But then what do I hope happens? I do think there's something beyond. I think all these serendipities are more than just coincidences. There are too many things that pop up, and it's not just that the devices are listening,

to us all the time. So whatever we're talking about now, I will then receive an ad for afterwards. It's not just that. There are genuine signs, it seems. And when you listen to people who have had near-death experiences, you get the sense of such peace, and they never want to come back. And then whatever is happening on the operating table works, and they come back, and they're back to pain. But they've had this near-death experience, and it's beautiful. And that's what I hope. I just hope we're reunited and there's no more misunderstandings or pain because who needs that?

I don't know how it is in your relationship. But this whole thing of like, you know, relationships are hard. No, screw that. Work is hard. Life is hard. You want to come home at the end of the day and just be, you know, have a cold one or not if you want to live to 120 and be happy.

I think that I think you're right. I think that it's such an odd thing. I was once I'm going to tell you something now something I did the piece of writing that I'm most proud of is a short story that I wrote for a collection of stories that my friend Larry Block who's a very good writer was putting together a collection of stories all based on the paintings of Edward Hopper so a bunch of different people some really clever people like Joyce Carol Oates Stephen King, you know, Scott Truro, they wrote, everybody wrote a short story and I wrote a short story about a church. And I just invented a whole thing about a hopper painting of a church in Massachusetts. And it's the best thing I've written because it was about death. It was about a man who dies in the space of the short story. And I mean, as he's dying, something really weird happens. And he says, this is, he says to the person that turns out, he basically Elvis turns up as he's dying and he, and Elvis has been long dead and Elvis, he says to Elvis, this is just the entertainment of a dying brain, isn't it? It's just the hallucination of a dying brain. And Elvis says, I think you can overthink these things. And I think that that is such a, I felt very comfortable with that.

And so that's where I'm going to set, where it's inevitable. So why overthinking? It'll happen. But do you feel comfortable that because you're Craig Ferguson, and also you have a lovely lady, that your things will be taken care of and treasured? I think that I think I own nothing. I own nothing, not even your body.

You don't even own that. You can't even control that. So I think everything is, Everything is gone. And so whatever lovely paintings or automobiles or anything that I own, when I go, they're no longer mine. What does it matter? I know, but I just, I hate West.

But it's just interesting because we were talked about David Byrne, you know, his song, Heaven. Do you agree with that? Oh, yeah, yeah. There's a place everybody is trying to get to the bar. Yeah. I used to listen to it. It's funny, I think that life is very perspective driven through the chronology of it. So if, for example, I listened to that song a lot when I was a young man.

He wrote the song when he was a young man. And I thought it was funny and irreverent and kind of almost defiant in its stance. It was it was a satire almost. And now I look at it from the perspective, I'm much further along the beach. So the island I'm looking at looks like a different shape now. And I think that's actually quite a relaxing and cool idea that nothing ever happens. I think that it's in Jewish tradition, the idea of shield, which is a place that the world where everybody goes to after death. and it's just kind of

not very interesting that's all they really say about it I don't know enough I don't know enough about it it's not like but it's not legs of fire and people prodding you with sticks around like that it's just like ah it's just a little boring

all right it's lovely catching up with you I do want to come and see what's the name of the play again love love the it's all love baby what's it's a call again let's love

Let's love, yes, which I suspect there may be irony in that title. Oh, boy, it's very smutty. You should know, Craig. I hope you're comfortable with that. Yeah, actually, remarkably so. That's great. I'm very pleased about that. Are you doing all the music for it as well?

Well, yes, but some of it, I think, will be standards. We're still figuring it out now. Okay. But, you know, have you done Broadway or theater shows? I've done a lot of theatre. I haven't done Broadway, but I did the West End in London and I've done different theatre shows around the world, but not Broadway.

I imagine it's much to say. Isn't it fun to just be, you know, just part of the machine and not have to do the whole motor yourself? Yes, it is. It is that. It's one of the things I miss about it, is that, you know, somebody will come over and say, no, what you have to do, stand over there,

say that, sing that, do that, and run out there as fast as you can. mess around just do that and that's your job for the night okay and then the best advice I got was an old-time performer when I was a young performer he said when you said when you get on stage lift your head up lift your head up and look up because the people at the back have paid as well eyes and teeth all the way in the back of the room I love that isn't that's me wonderful eyes and teeth as well eyes and teeth but do you know Jim Dale I know who he is.

I mean, I don't know him, but yes, I were very aware of his amazing career. Yeah, it was fun doing him. He could still do high kicks in his 70s when we did Throp Mi Ottero together. Did you know Alan Rickman? I did. I knew him a little bit, a little bit. Did you, was he on Trop Neoppa in his year? Did he do it?

No, but he went to school with my mother and he was always organizing things. Yeah, for their final test, he sang a thousand clowns. wait a minute, no, not. Send in the clowns. And then they were extras on the film, Oh, Lucky Man. So you can see them at the end dancing. Oh my God, well, Alan Rickman and your mom?

Yes, yes. He was, you know, then when I got a record contract, I think it kind of messed him up. We started calling him Uncle Al, and he would say, my name is Alan. My name is Alan. Your uncle. Potter?

All right, we've got to go. Good luck with Let's Love. And I will come to see it, particularly if it's smutty and it's downtown. These are two things that I'm actually okay. So take care of yourself. No hitchhiking around New York, please. I, Captain. Yeah, all right, good.

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