Joy, a Podcast. Hosted by Craig Ferguson - The Presidents of the United States of America (PUSA)

Episode Date: February 25, 2025

Meet The Presidents of the United States of America, also known as PUSA, one of the well-loved rock bands that broke out of Seattle in the 1990's. This year is the 30th anniversary of their debut album, which features hits Peaches, Lump, and Kitty. We had a great chat, I hope you enJOY!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The name of this podcast is Joy. I talk to interesting people about what brings them happiness. Hello. My guests today have the best name of any band in the history of bands. They are two members of the presidents of the United States of America. They are on the Mount Rushmore of rock and roll. What up, motherfuckers?

Yes. Yes. That is friendly. Yeah, you know what? I have to say right away, gentlemen, that how sorry I am, because this is the people listening or watching this will not know, but this is the third time we've attempted this. Yeah. Third time, because we tried it when I was in my house, in my apartment in London, and we tried it again from

that same apartment or something, I can't remember. And then anyway, here I am in the best studio in London. It's amazing. We actually, Chris and I used a professional podcast studio a couple of weeks ago to pre-record something for somebody. And we were moved nearly to tears by how amazing it is to just walk into a podcast studio and have someone sit you down in front of a good mic and just have it all be amazing. It's kind of incredible. It's incredible.

I'm gonna keep doing it. If I can afford it, I'm gonna keep doing it because I think this is fancy. I suspect that Brian Eno probably works in here too. Yeah, I think I saw him go by. He does work here. You were going to tell me a story about Brian Eno. Was it you, Chris, who were going to tell me a story about Brian Eno? Yeah, yeah. I've had three different experiences where I've met my heroes and it's gone bad. Brian Eno is definitely a hero for me, so I don't want to meet him. Yeah, yeah, right. Sometimes you don't. Like as a side bit story real quick, I went to Nantucket

one time and saw Jonathan Richmond in a tiny little theater on Nantucket. I mean, we were second row right there. He's just being his insane self and playing Spanish flamenco guitar for 20 minutes. Just an incredible performance. And we were supposed to go, we knew the people that promoted the show, set up the show. So my wife and I were supposed to go out for drinks with him afterwards.

And after his performance, I just said to the people who were hosting the after thing, I can't do it. I can't go out and have a regular conversation with this guy. There's no way. I would never allow the bookers when I was doing late night, I wouldn't allow the bookers to even approach David Bowie just in case he said, yes, don't want it. Don't want you to be here because he turns up and he's smart. Yeah, that's smart. I don't want it.

Don't want you to be here because, well, he turns up and he's like, I hate you crying, girl, fucking us home. And then I'd be like, well, that was the point. Yeah, well, and he already roasted Ricky Gervais on his own show. He did, yes. That's right, Ricky made that, although Ricky says that he was lovely.

Yeah, by all accounts, he was incredibly lovely. So Brian Nino, what happened? So this is the third of the jewels in my stupid crown where I met my heroes, but the other two are stories for another time. But I was a young, starving artist in Boston. He, in the late 80s, he was coming to Mass College of Art

to do a presentation of some sort. So naturally I went and as I approached the auditorium, there's all these big glass doors, he's outside the auditorium talking to somebody, obviously a friend, he's kind of conversing and hanging out with this person. And I noticed as I approached different people that are walking up and kind of taking a moment to say,

shake his hand and kind of acknowledge Thanks for coming and it's great to meet you and all this stuff I see three or four people do that and i'm i'm like the fifth person who's going to walk up and Shake his hand and say something and uh, he just turns to me and says would you please fuck off? Wow Because he was trying to have a conversation with his friend So he's like, but you please fuck off. I'm trying to talk to my friend.

I was the straw that broke the camel's back. Oh my God. So, so Brian Eno just basically told me to fuck off and I cherish that interaction probably a lot more than I would if we had had any sort of conversation. Yeah, he just. But maybe. if we had had any sort of conversation. Yeah. He just, but maybe Brian Eno had the courage to tell you that when I always wanted to and just had to. You haven't done it yet.

I don't know. You haven't done it yet. Yeah, not yet, not yet. Yeah, yeah. We're 35 years in. I think that, is that a Basquiat behind you, Jason? Is that a Basquiat? I wish.

I would be zooming in from my private island, if that were the case. Yeah. No, that's actually a, that's a portrait of my old bandmate, Kevin from Love Battery, done by the regional Pacific Northwest artist, Ed Fotheringham. Very nice piece. Yeah. There's some other good stuff here. Yeah.

I just saw the crown and I thought, it looks like a Basquiat crown. I think it's an homage. It's from the earliest 90s and that series, all of the subjects had crowns on there. Bruce Pabbit, one of the creators of Sub Pop was in there and one of the Mud Honey guys. It's a regional Pacific Northwest art history. Yeah, Regional royalty. Regional royalty. Yeah, I think that, you know, I'm always a little intimidated by you types from that time period in that zip code that you guys are from because it is very arty and very influential in pop culture to this day, you know, but you guys were kind of slightly after grunge. Is that what you call it?

After grunge? Yeah, yeah. We were fun. Funge, that's right. We brought the fun. That's right. I knew there was something like that. And if only we were kind of come up with that at the time.

We were constantly being pressured like, what do you call your music? What's happening here? What do we put? What umbrella can we put it under so we could sell more of it? What do we need to make of this response, this obvious response to grunge that you're doing? Yeah. Yeah.

It was only like four years ago that I came up with Funge. So whoops, I missed the boat there. But isn't that always the way this stuff that you always think, you know, if only I'd have, you know, told Brian Eno to fuck off. If you like, when you go up to him, as he turned around, you could have said, you know what? Fuck off Brian Eno. Or at least if you'd mustered a back at you or something. I know you are, but what am I?

Just finger guns. So is your face Brian Eno. How did you, how do you? I know you are, but what am I? Or just finger guns. So is your face, Brian, you know? Yeah, yeah. But let me ask you this, because you guys have been working together off and on for a long time, right?

Yeah. How did that come about? How did it start? Were you like? What happened, Chris? Well, it started, the embryonic version of the presidents was the Dukes of Pop, which was a acoustic duo, which is me and Dave Deterre, the guitar player. And I used to work at a coffee house here in Seattle

called The Last Exit. And on Monday nights, I would take my apron off and we'd play open mic kind of style sets at The Last Exit. And that was kind of the beginning of me and Dave connecting as songwriters and performers. And that was super fun and loosey goosey. And then, uh, I went to Boston, lived in Boston, lived in Seattle, back and forth.

Finally, I settled back in Seattle in like 91 or two, three, something like that. It's all very blurry that time. You guys, you're doing a lot of drugs and alcohol and stuff. I was doing my share. I was doing my share. People dead back then, before cell phones, that the cell phones of the 1990s was the drugs and alcohol. It's different now. It's true. Yeah, it's true.

Well, one big difference really is that we depended on each other to eliminate boredom. Right. You know, we had to schedule a show on a Tuesday night so that we wouldn't die of boredom. And so out of that, well, really out of the joy of finally moving back from the East Coast to Seattle, I started writing songs and Dave and I started playing again as a duo. This time we were electrified and we had a bass amp that we both plugged into and then we put that into a speaker cabinet made out of an acoustic guitar case because when I moved back from the East Coast I didn't have room in my car for my bass cabinet so I just took the speaker out and brought the speaker so we were you know held together with spit

and chewing gum at that time until we played a gig with my friend Dave Thiele sitting in on drums and Jason was there. And I might let you tell this part, Jason, there was a softball. Sure, well, okay. So, yeah, how did you come into the scene? I didn't know anything about these guys, except I knew Dave a little bit from whatever,

P and Ness to him at the stall somewhere. But they were performing and it was pretty fun. But then there was this moment where Dave had planted someone in the audience and he just, Dave pulls a baseball mitt off of his amp and says, "'Anybody got a ball?' And so the plant throws the softball out of the crowd and he just bang, catches it and puts the mitt back down,

which was to my eye in that moment, the absolute dumbest slash greatest thing I'd ever seen at a rock show. So I was instantly obsessed with these guys and I started a sort of a month long campaign to just, you know, hey, you got to just drop what you're doing and start a band with me. And they reacted to that the way anyone would which is to say you are a lunatic please go fuck yeah yeah would you please fuck off so yeah after a couple rounds of fuck-offs and backaches and your mom's we we got

we got it together I that part I don't even remember. Was that the first lineup of the presidents of the United States of America? That was it? I would say, except that of course Chris's friend Dave Thiele was sort of the original drummer. But that was a different band. That was Go. Yeah, okay. Yeah.

Different songs and stuff. And Dave was a sort of hobbyist drummer. So he wasn't like gonna make a career out of playing drums. But I remember, yeah, Dave and I were kind of like, we don't need a drummer. Because part of the fun of doing what we were doing was we were kind of trying to rock out.

We're like some nerds that are trying, reaching for being a rock band, but not achieving it so that the crowd would come and see us and be filled with empathy. Look at those poor dorks trying to rock. It was not an act. These guys, one of my favorite details about them in the earliest days is they would show up and you know how guitarists always have, you have your gear, you have your guitar,

and on the other hand you have your whatever your case is that you have your pedals and stuff. These guys would both show up with little tote sacks with like a cord and a pedal in there. Yeah. Hey, it's the tote sack guys. What's up? Rock and roll. Like a faded tote bag that says New Mexico on it or something.

I think that sounds pretty cool. I mean, it still has coolness about it. But what I think is kind of interesting, particularly about the presidents, is that you guys... I mean, there's real musicianship in that band. I mean, even though there's fun and it seems to not take itself so seriously, the music is very accomplished. The playing is very accomplished. It didn't seem to me that there was a joke about... I mean, I think that all was about weird Al. You can think Al is making fun, but he follows the rule, if you're going to parody something,

you have to be better than it. Yes, absolutely. Very tight ship in Al's world. We know that from when he did Gump. You know, I'm blanking on his name. The drummer contacted me out of the blue and he just had some really specific questions about certain... Bermuda Schwartz. Bermuda Schwartz, that's right. He was like, now listen, on the second verse,

you're doing this thing with the floor tom and the what's it. Yeah, he needed to know. I need to recreate that, you know. So, good old Schwartz. Well, part of our deal was we wanted to appear not to care at all and what's it and I need to recreate that. Well, part of our deal was we wanted to appear not to care at all while simultaneously caring deeply. So we knew that if we were going to make funny, fun music, it had to be a certain amount of proficiency and otherwise it's just a hat on a hat. Yeah. Yeah kind of I mean, I think that that was quite interesting. But I mean I the same thing

I mean I I get a vibe from you. It's not the same band but I get a vibe like they might be Giants who were always producing songs which Didn't necessarily take themselves seriously in the in lyrically Or they had some humor in it. Cause it seemed to me that particularly grunge and I think that's the correct me if I'm, you know, going away off in the wrong, the wrong tangent here, but the funge that came out of it because, cause grunge was pretty poor faced and, and grumpy. It was quite an adolescent vibe.

It was great, but it had an adolescent vibe to it. And I think that what you were doing suddenly, it was like, it seemed like there was an extra layer of confidence. Like we don't give a fuck. We don't give a fuck what you think. But clearly you did. Yeah, we did. I mean, part of what we used to always say when asked, like, how do we resonate against the grunge explosion and stuff we'd kind of talk about well go back further in Seattle music history and you'll find party rock right you know you'll find Paul Revere and the Raiders, the Kingsmen, the Sonics although the Sonics were pretty intense

but still you know you could party to it and then more recently the Young Fresh Fellows, which were like heroes of mine. And so, yeah, we would always kind of leapfrog back over the grunge thing to the source for us, which was Northwest Party Rock. But if you're also, if you're implying that we're also genius musicians. Then we'll take it. Correct. Correct. Yeah, I kind of am a little bit. I heard that.

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Listen to mini questions on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Seven questions, limitless answers. Hello, this is Craig Ferguson, and I want to let you know I have a brand new stand-up comedy special out now on YouTube. It's called I'm So Happy. And I would be so happy if you checked it out. To watch the special just go to my YouTube channel at The Craig Ferguson Show and it's right there.

Just click it and play it and it's free. I can't look I'm not going to come around your house and show you how to do it. If you can't do it then you can't have it. But if you can figure it and it's free. I can't look, I'm not going to come around your house and show you how to do it. If you can't do it, then you can't have it. But if you can figure it out, it's yours. I remember when, because I worked on a television show called The Drew Carey Show. I don't know if you remember it. And never heard of it. When Drew played me, because he played me when you guys did the cover of the old Ian Hunter thing,

Cleveland Rocks. Cleveland Rocks. And I heard that, I was like, Spander, that's the first time I'd heard the band. I'm like, Spander fucking banging. I mean, they're great. I was in bands before I, you know, I was such a bad drummer that any band that I was in immediately became funny. And so I had to lean into comedy because I thought, well, I'm bringing that to rock and roll anyway.

But the idea of, I mean, the band was really good. It was all, I don't think you ever fooled me for a minute about, oh, hey, we're just wacky. That's not- Well, the caveat with that is that in the beginning, when we had you know 50 people at a little place called the romper room this little bar that's where we could be as sort of

Discombobulated yet still pull off the show as possible then when we stood up in front of You know we had success and we had to stand up in front of a lot of people We kind of got more into like revving up the machine and getting tighter and tighter and hitting our marks and stuff like that And the cleveland rocks thing I think came when we were really kind of at the peak of you know efficiency as Being alive, right? Definitely because we didn't really prepare for that. We were just we were in the studio doing something else and they're like Yeah, you want to take a pass on this song, Cleveland Rocks, for a TV show?

We're like, okay. And we just banged through it twice, and that was the end. Is that true? Yeah. Well, I mean, we knew I had to talk about it, but yeah. Because we were on the Rosie O'Donnell show, and Drew was a guest as well, apparently.

And he came to, for some reason, the backstage was little trailers, and he came to our for some reason the backstage was little trailers and he came to our trailer and Came in as I remember it and I might have embellished this over the years and Jason can confirm or deny this But I remember him coming in with a supermodel on each arm Like girls that were significantly taller than him, but this may be Mike my creative. I think why I think I think're, it's a generous use of the word super model, but I understand, but I drew, drew went through a period, he went through a period, I think in the early part of success where, you know, that, that was

part of his life, he very quickly that went away and he got, you know, his thing became driving a mini that had a union, a British flag on it, you know, his thing became driving a mini that had a union, a British flag on it. You know what I mean? It was like he, right? He has some ties to the Seattle Sounders, the MLS team there. That's right, yeah. And he would, particularly in the early seasons,

he would come to a lot of the games and be right on the side of the field. And my family had front row season tickets at that time and he would walk by and there were no supermodels but there was an earnest team of young people that were there. They were obviously doing something professionally oriented with him and it would occasionally I'd be like, Drew, and he'd be like, hey, president's guy. And I would only do that because it would blow the minds

of everyone in my section. So, good times for me. I do remember from that day that we met him in the trailer, here's how little I knew about the show. He was already, I think, pitching the idea of this theme song. And I immediately asked him if I could tell him a joke, and I proceeded to tell this joke about Cincinnati, not Cleveland.

They're pretty close to each other. It's all right. But he was very, he laughed his ass off at that middling joke and never corrected me. So good on him. You know, the thing is, I used to say, hey, and he used to go, hey, you, to me. It took him three seasons to realize that I actually worked on the show, I think.

He's 60 episodes in. Yeah, it was a long time in. Craig. Because he called me Mr. Wick for about two years. He's like, hey, Mr. Wick. I'm like, it's not my name. Can I ask a question about the show and you? Yeah.

You're from Glasgow, right? I am. Glaswegian? Yes. Great word, by the way. It is a good word. Fucking good word. You were doing something different accent-wise

on the show, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. No, no Scots? No, what happened was, this is a true story. What happened was that I auditioned for the part of the Spanish photographer in the sitcom Suddenly Susan. There'd been a hiccup and obviously, you know, the accent work that I was doing was unacceptable to the team that were making Suddenly Susan.

They wanted something a bit more Spanish. But the casting guy that was there said, Hey, we've got another show. They're looking for an English guy. Can you do an English accent? And I was like, season George as I can. And that's how I ended up doing it. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So, cuidado. That's my Spanish. I just remember when your late night show started, you talking and I'm like, that's what is happening? I guess at that time I wasn't as, I couldn't pick the Scottish. It's hard to hear it. Broke out of a hat.

I think as well what happened is that because I was playing, because Mr. Wick was a very, is a very arch character. It's very good. Kelly, you're absolutely, you're fired. No, that's, I mean. There it is. There it is. There arch character. It's very good. Kelly, you're absolutely, you're fired. No, that's, I mean... There it is, there it is, there it is. Yes, I absolutely talked like this entire show. And, and because that's the only thing that anybody

knows you from, I mean, I'm always amazed when you see these English actors that like, did you ever watch Yellowstone? You should watch Yellowstone because there's an actress in it. I can't remember her name, forgive me, but she plays Beth, the very, very American kind of great character in Yellowstone. And she's English. I heard her in an interview, I was like, oh my God, I can't believe it. But you get locked in with the sound of someone. And then it just becomes part of their whole identity. So it changed for me after

I had to convince people I wasn't from England when I started doing the late night show. They're like, man, his Scottish accent is terrible. It's pretty hard. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, I've always wanted to ask you something actually, because I am such a fan of your late night show. Oh, thank you. because I am such a fan of your late night show. I mean, it was so refreshing. I don't think I ever felt like the guests had been produced

when they sat down. You know what I mean? It felt like maybe they were, maybe you knew what you were gonna talk about, but it just felt like, you know, let's just hang out. And that was so refreshing. It got more like that as time went on, but it's kind of like the way you guys described in the music, like at first, the first year or so

when I was on Late Night, nobody was watching it. So I could fuck up as much as possible and kind of find my way. And by the time people started watching the show, I kind of knew what I was doing. I got comfortable. And I realized that also as the show became more popular, better guests started coming on as well, which, you know, people who were like familiar with the terrain,

but it, it's, uh, I think I always approached it kind of like music anyway, the same way as approach standup is like, you got to rehearse, but it doesn't mean you're going to play those notes, but you got to practice. You got to pick up the guitar every day or you got to, you got to rehearse, but it doesn't mean you're going to play those notes but you got to practice. You got to pick up the guitar every day or you got to play the drums every day. It doesn't mean you're going to play that, but you've got to be there. You know, you got to be inside. You got to get the rest in for sure. Yeah. And that's kind of where we were. That was our credo the whole time was we wouldn't really

rehearse ever. And maybe that led to some extra shenanigans early in in like a you know early in a tour first couple shows but as much excitement as just playing clams but yeah I don't know keeping it fresh. There was a sensation I would have when we would go on tour. The fourth show was where we stopped just playing the notes and started playing the songs. It was a subtle shift where it's like we inhabit the song because now we're not worried about where the notes are and that kind of stuff. But what I really wanted to ask you and by the way I did recognize how

comfortable you got because sometimes I think you were almost completely reclined as a host. You were like, just, yeah. I was like, when is Craig gonna bring out like a cot and just lie down while everybody talks? But here's what I've always wanted to ask you, and this might be totally off base, but do you think that your accent was an impediment to you just taking over the world of late night.

Like, I feel like you should have been a Carson level, you know, human in that world. There you go. Yeah. Do you think your accent was a glass ceiling like that? I don't know. I mean, possibly if it had been something that had been aspirational for me. But I think what happens is that I came from a different angle. And I wonder if this is the same for you guys. I did not, look, I didn't grow up watching Carson. I didn't grow up watching David Letterman. I didn't grow up watching Late Night.

I grew up in Scotland. There was Late Night in Scotland as the pub. So you know, it's like, it's a very different thing. It had no mystique for me. I took the job in Late night because I just got divorced that I had a little kid and I wanted to be in town. And this was a job that would keep me there all the time. You know, like I would have to work every day. So that's why I went after the job. When I got the job, I fell in love with it, but it wasn't something that

was aspirational for me. So I never came at it from a place of great reverence. And I think the accent was a weird thing because I remember when I started, all the executives were saying, well, this is going to crash and burn because of the accent. And of course, you know, I don't think it was a problem when I was doing it. I will say this though, I mean, and I've said this before, but for the 10 years I was doing that show, I worried about my weight and my accent. Then when I quit, they hired James Corden. Yes, yes.

So I think that perhaps I was worried about the wrong thing. James was looking pretty tight though when he started. My only previous experience being the, what was the BBC show that he was on before that? That's a great show. I mean, he was a little rounder in that one. I think he's a terrific performer. I think he's a really nice guy. I've always really liked him.

He took some hate when he took over the show, but I think that I did too. People forget that because it's a long time ago. When I took over the show, the hate that you got, it was no social media. So, you know, you took the hate in the New York Post or the New York Times. But the time that he took over there was social media. So you take hate, but it is what it is. I mean, it's the whole thing about when the new bass player turns up, the fans that have been watching you for years are very angry.

And then they forgive you. Or not. Take note, Chris. Old bass player. Yeah, look, you dodged a bullet, Craig, with the late night wars. We know now that there was a lot of, like, that's just a blood sport. That whole who's going to host what next and all that stuff. And probably you would have gotten screwed by that by that asshole Brian Eno.

That I think that. You would have gotten the gig and he would have gotten in there and shafted. Have you ever seen that little animation on the internet? I don't know who made it. It's a work of genius where it's an imagining of Brian Eno, David Bowie and Tony Visconti writing the low album in Enhancer Studios. I'm writing this down right now. It is fucking genius. You've got to look it up.

It's insanely good. That's going to the queue immediately. I don't know who did it and I feel bad because and I'm sure someone in the internet will point it out but it is a work of comedic genius. Whoever does Boi's voice is spot-on and they have you know Brian Eno and Tony Visconti is this character saying can I be in it and David Boi saying I'm going to make up a special language that no one understands for this album. It's just lovely. It's very funny. Okay. I can think of so many other episodes of that show I would watch.

Yeah. I would love that. Let's do David Bowie producing Iggy Pop's The Idiot. Yeah. Or the Transformer album. When David Bowie producing Iggy Pop's The Idiot. Yeah, yeah. Or the Transformer album when David Bowie. Fantastic. Oh my God. Did you ever run into like, you know, I know you said that, you know, don't meet your heroes, but in the world of rock and roll,

you are gonna run into these people all the time. Did you ever collaborate with people that just blew your mind, you can't believe you were doing it? Well, number one of that ilk would be Weird Al himself. I mean, the fact that he and I are still good friends and we talk on the phone. And he's just such an amazing human. He produced a video for us for a song from one of our later records.

Um, we've jumped, you know, we've ambushed each other on stage at each other's shows countless times. Uh, yeah, he's one of those people that I'm hanging out with or being collaborative with. And I, I'm just like, pinch, pinch, pinch. How did I get here? He's amazing. Did he ever tell you about when he came to my house in Scotland? No, he came, he came to the house.

He, we had a party. Remember there was a, like, I know he has this place in Hawaii, but there was a big kind of like thing and he couldn't go there one summer. And so he came to this party that we were having in my house in Scotland. And I don't know if you know this, but Albie plays the accordion and yeah. Good to know. Good to know. You did know. Yeah.

In Scotland, we were having this party with this accordion band, you know, the de de de de de de de de de and these accordion., you know, the day that he did it. And these accordion as you do in Scotland. So I said to the accordion players, hey, there's a guy, do you mind if this guy sits in with you a little bit? They're like, oh, that weird Al walked in who is a God amongst the court. It's like a guitar bar to say, hey, Timmy Hendrix is here. Do you mind if he sits in with you guys? They were blown away.

But of course I wouldn't tell you because it makes him, it would be aggrandizing for him and that's not who he is. But it was amazing to see these people bow down to his greatness. It was fantastic. That would be an amazing thing to see. I'm jealous. We've, as Chris says, we've interacted with Al a ton, but man, seeing him walk into a room of 25 accordion players must be insane. There wasn't really 25, but let's say there was 25.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did have the pleasure of one time introducing Al to Wayne Kramer from the MC5 and figuring that they would maybe have nothing to talk about, but it was just a social experiment. And they hit it off like crazy. They squirreled away in a corner and just talked music for hours. It was very satisfying. But I think that is a thing with musicians. There is a kind of weird, like comedians are different now

but when I was coming up, comedians were very aggressive and competitive with each other. And I always felt with musicians, maybe young musicians are a bit like that too as they're making their bones and stuff, but I always felt with musicians, maybe young musicians are a bit like that too, as they're making their bones and stuff. But I always felt with musicians, if you get them onto music, they're fine. You can be, you know, a rapper and a classical flautist will find a way to connect, you know, because it seems to be the desire to be a musician is in a weird way, a connection thing, particularly people who play in bands.

Because people who hate each other will play in bands for years because there's a musical relationship. What I'm saying is, do you guys hate each other? Yeah. I mean, I've always wanted to share this. I'm glad we're here today. Sure, yeah. I have an announcement.

We have a low-level simmering hate for each other that just kind of keeps going. It's an odd relationship though, musicians. It's a weird thing. The Rock Band is the dumbest social unit ever invented, and one of the least stable and one of the greatest. And it might not be around for another 50 years, but we were around for the middle section of it. And we do a good job because we've never been huge road dogs

or workhorses, so we've definitely had enough time between things to not get to DEF CON either one or five. I forget which one. Yeah, I was right. Orange. Yeah, you just go on and maintain a nice Defcon 3 the entire time. Well, it's funny. Yeah, go ahead. It's funny too, because whenever I see a list of the greatest 100 bands of the 90s or something, we're not on it. Or it's like the greatest bands from Seattle from 1994, we're not on it. We actually, if you can, it's hard to find,

but if you Google greatest 700 bands of the 90s, we sneak in there. I never own those things either. I have never owned those things either. Yeah, yeah. But here's the thing, I see that as a superpower because I feel like that means that the fans that do show up are

true fans and the fans we do have like a connection with are true fans who aren't, you know, it's not like we were trying to take over the world. We just wanted to take over the room that we were in on any given night. So it fit us perfectly. I also think... And enough people have been involved over the long term that we were able to have just a really cool living and career such as it was, slash is, including actually great shows in Glasgow time to time.

Our first ever was at King Tut's Wawa Hut, of course. That's a great guy. That is a great guy. We made the, it can't possibly still be there, right? It is, yeah, it Wawa Hut. That's a great guy. That is a great We made that it can't possibly still be there. Yeah, it's still there. Oh good for them It's it was old when we were there and yeah That's where the way Oasis got signed to their first record deal was in there after the show they did that night famously that It had just opened when I was leaving bands in Glasgow because I wasn't I was in bands Early 80s, I think it opened in the mid 80s, King Tut's Wawa.

Did you not get to play there? I think I did actually. I did play there. Okay. I played there with a band called James King and the Lone Wolves, which always baffled me because if we were lone wolves, I couldn't understand why there was four of us, but no one asked that question. The band were pretty good, but they... a bad name, I think.

I disagree. It's a little serious. Yeah, well, we were a little angry. We were very angry and drunk. We were an angry drunk band. But I think that market is full. I think that that's a very, very well populated area. It certainly was then. And continues to be for sure. And that's, Chris and I, we've always sort of maintained that we were doing a different thing and just fulfilling a certain sort of almost a niche.

Like, yeah, to not be of the joy. To not be angry all the time, I think is okay. It's probably the coolest emotion when you're young. But I think when you get to above 30 and you put on about 10 pounds, if you're angry, you start to look like an angry clown. Like, and then angry clowns are not it's not good You have to be an upbeat clown I either that or you you continue to try to be angry after you have great success

And you're being your life is being pampered and but you're still pissed off Yeah, yeah, but you know a lot of you were talking earlier about like the sort of dark cloud of grunge You know, a lot of you were talking earlier about like the sort of dark cloud of grunge. Yeah. But if you isolate any a bunch of those band members and have a beer with them, they're hilarious and funny and great, you know, lighthearted people. There's a few, you know, there's a few dark souls that anchor, you know, the angst to the movement, to the scene, right right like generally the lead singers. Yeah But you know you get any of those guys who play bass or drums in those band bands aside and they're delightful

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They are so twisted and dark and pissed off. It's unbelievable. I love that. I think that I've seen it so often that it's gotta be a thing. There's gotta be something in it. It's not just, I've seen it once. I've seen it a lot.

People who write upbeat, cheery stuff, I mean, just some of your stuff is quite upbeat and cheery and you guys seem okay. Yeah. Well, for now, that was actually that my whole life, for some weird reason, as a songwriter, I've been sort of working my way toward the goal of having the music I make be exactly a reflection

of who I really am. I don't know exactly why I was driven by that, but it drove me to eventually after the presidents do music for little kids, little zero to five year olds as Casper baby pants. And that was when I arrived at that, I was like, ah, here it is. Here's like, there's no pretense of adult issues or anger or sexuality or whatever. That's all removed. I'm just like the innocent core of planet music. Do you have kids?

Do you have kids? Craig was asking whether you're an asshole in private. Based on your- Oh, right, right, right. But do you have kids? Yeah, I do. I have a 26 yearyear-old and a 24-year-old. So did you start doing Casper baby pants when your kids were little? Was that the thing that brought you into it? No.

No, not at all. It was funny. When the presidents were successful, I felt great about it. I was very, it was a very double-edged sword. You know, I felt like validated and excited and you know, I was we were all becoming successful and Navigating those waters and everything and but I also felt kind of unsafe I was as a child listening to the Beatles in my bedroom

I imagined that fame was like a doorway into a room Where everybody else in that room is famous and you're immediately accepted and all your problems go away and it's just this beautiful experience. You know, the velvet rope is removed and you get to go in. So I got to experience that, velvet rope removed, I go in the room, but immediately I noticed at the other end of the room is another velvet rope and another door. And I realized, oh shit, those things, those doors go on forever. Meaning like, you never- There is an end to the doors because the last one, you go through the last one and it's Keanu Reeves.

But until you get to Keanu Reeves, it's just velvet rope after velvet rope. But I understand, it doesn't- Velvet, velvet, velvet. And when I was a kid, I thought that if I hated going to the dentist, and I thought if I get on TV, I won't have to go to the dentist, which is the opposite. You're never away from the fucking dentist when you're on TV. It's just like, it's all the time. That's amazing. Yeah, yeah. So with that in mind, you know, the band for me was kind of like this weird skin that I was wearing that was in some ways very comfortable

and in some ways like, ah, I gotta get out of here. So I started, you know, this gut feeling I had that I was supposed to be doing something also or something else, welled up and I was experimenting on the side for like 10 or 15 years. And finally the experiments got small and acoustic and kind of intimate. And then I met my wife Kate and I saw her art and she does this amazing like collage art with animals and

it's very well done and it's bright and beautiful and silly and has integrity and it's you know beautiful happy universe that she's created with her art. And I was like I want to make music that comes from that planet and I did and literally a cartoon light bulb a big one went off over my head and I realized it's kids music that's what I should be doing and specifically the zero to five-year-olds because they're like little Buddhas you know they're like little enlightened beings and hanging out with them and writing for them is really exciting. It's an interesting thing because I have kids and when they were young, my wife, she has an aversion to children's music.

A lot of people do. And she would play, to this day, my youngest is now 14. And the song from his childhood is Atmospheres by Joy Division. Wow. Don't walk away in silence. But he seems to be alright though. He seems to be okay. Yeah, yeah. I mean you don't need children's music really, but my whole goal was to make music.

I used to say that I was actually a parents musician. I was writing 90% of the choices I made were for the parents. I was like what's not going to drive them out of the room into another part of the house and a lot of kids musicians pay lip service to that concept but then they do not deliver so I was very focused on the family experience. And it was a really amazing songwriting challenge to kind of ride that edge. Did you guys do live shows for little kids?

Actually, the presidents did one kids show at the town hall, but I had a trio for a little bit, but it got kind of noisy and crazy. And I decided to go solo. So I did like 1300 shows as Casper Baby Bence by myself before hanging up my boots when the pandemic came along. Your booties. My booties. Yeah, yeah. So what are you guys doing now then? What's happening in the way forward? The band going out again? Are you putting the band back together? No, we're not.

That's the headline. We are definitely not going to do that. Now hear this. No news. band back together? No, we're not. That's the headline. We are definitely not going to do that. Now hear this, no news. Exactly. Is that true though? Yeah, it is true. We're just, I mean, never say never and stay tuned and we'll let you know, tuned and we'll let you know, but for now, no. And for future, no. But we are sort of celebrating this year or observing that the big popular record,

the Lump & Peaches record is turning 30, which is a thing that people mostly celebrate and observe in service of a tour, but we're not gonna do that. So we're just going to, we're just going to be happy. That is true. Do you have anything though, you want to scratch that itch a little bit and go out and hear the crowd hear those songs again?

You know, I really do not. I love to, in my whole life, like the big picture, I see things as arcs. You know, like acknowledging when a creative arc is exciting and on its way up and, oh my god, here we are on the plateau and okay, there it goes and another one will come up in its place. That arc is just art and I'm very, very proud of what we did and what we achieved and how we presented ourselves and how we peppered the world with this joyful music. But it's art for me. It's exactly how I feel about the late night show, which is interesting because when people

say do the late night, do another late night show, I go, why would I do another late night show? I did a late night show and that it almost got to like in the last year of it once I knew that I wasn't going to do it beyond the end of my contract it actually got better. I think when I knew I was going to never do it again it was the best that ever was because it had that I'm about to abandon this quality which doesn't come that easy. I don't know if I can, if I'll ever find anything again that quite does that. With the exception of doing standup, which is, which is like my instrument now.

I mean, it's like, you know, the, you know, that's what I do. You know, that's what I play here or I play it there. What was that? You recognize that? Is that the skeleton? You know what I'm doing, Craig? What, that? No, no, no. Come on. What is that? Is that the skeleton? You know what I'm doing, Craig. You know what that? No, no, no.

What is that? It's in your own stand-up special. Come on. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Promoting my stand-up special? No, no, not promoting. It's in the stand-up. It's in Tickle Fight. Tickle Fight was years ago. I can't remember all that. That's like remembering. I remember the middle eight from Peaches. I can't remember that. You don't remember that. All right. All right. That's fair. That's fair. You've moved on.

Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, a little bit. I don't know. So, Jason, what's it like? How do you relate to the band and the present day and all that kind of stuff? What's your feeling? Pardon me. I'm not familiar. What? No, I'm glad. I think it's, I will say that what Chris was just saying about the arc being completed,

you'll always hear that from band guys that are talking about why they're not performing at that time. It's usually right before another cycle or tour is announced. I can say with some authority, fully witnessing in the most candid of moments, Chris literally is the one individual who is like, he just wants to be out there and walking around in the trees. True. And he digs the trees. I dig the trees.

He has moved into an area where there's a lot of trees and that's just, you know, it's complete. That's great. That's a gift. And I, yeah, I tend to agree vibe-wise. Among other things, playing rock and roll, especially the way we do, is pretty physical. And we're not going to bore you with the details, but the collection of

dumb, stupid bullshit in our shoulders and our elbows and our... It's robust. Or I guess the opposite of robust. It's fragile. I'm trying to find the appropriate moment for when stand-up comedy becomes you're allowed to sit down on the stage. I'm not quite sure. I'm not quite sure if I'm ready. Yeah, I know. You guys hauling those water glasses around all the time, man. You must be. Well, you know, on late night, you were almost reclined all the way. Maybe you can be the first reclining comic. I think the Lazy Boy Tour where you with creative lighting and maybe some work from Brian Eno. Yeah yeah yeah and wait with the Lazy Boy Tour you've got more than one on stage you've got a whole bunch of them and you just you can do different segments. I feel like Doug Stanhope is doing that right now. Is he doing it right now?

Doug Stanhope is like he's one of my favorite comics Doug Stanhope. doing that right now. Is he doing it right now? Oh yeah. Doug Stanhope is like, he's one of my favorite comics, Doug Stanhope. Isn't he amazing? I mean... He is incredible and I'm just like, man, how can I... I wish I could still smoke like that. He's one of those people, I think, Doug, who is like... It's not an act. It's like that's a whole thing.

That he's... I mean, he's kind of a work of art in himself, I think. He's one of, a seriously underrated standup. I mean, like, wonderful. I'm so glad you brought him up. I mean, he is, he's incredible. I've sort of lost track of what he's doing,

like right now, right now, but I do pop in time to time. I guess. Standup aficionado. I don't know what he's up a fish and not tell. I don't know what he's up to at the moment because I don't, even with, with people, even with, you know. Let's get him on the line. Yeah. Yeah. Doug, come on. You know what I should do? I should, he's one of those guys though. He's so clever that I'm a little intimidated to talk to him. Do you know what I mean? It's like, I feel, yeah, let's set it up. Let's

get this going today. This is a, This is a precursor to the next episode. This is the lead into the Doug Stanhope episode. Yeah. All right, so I've got a great idea. To promote the 30 years of the album, let's get Doug Stanhope to go out on the road and not mention that album at all. That seems to follow the philosophy

of what your guys are putting together. Sure, sure. Yeah, yeah. This sounds pretty perfect. I don't know. I'll just say it. I'm not going to wait for you guys. We got to get Brian Eno involved somehow. I don't know. You can do a remix. Ambient presence. Listen, we got to go. But look up that animation ambient president. That lesson we gotta go. But look up that animation online of David Bowie and Brian Eno and Tony Visconti making the love. It's very funny.

I've written it down. It's very funny. One other thing I just have to point out is Josh Robert Thompson. Comedy genius. That episode of your podcast with him was so amazing. I immediately went out and signed up for the distance sound of trains. And I am enjoying everything. He will love hearing that.

I mean, he's, he's, he is, you know, the guy behind Jeff Peterson on the late night show is like all of that is to do with my, when I did Jeff Peterson on late night, when I put that robot in that space, it was a stupid throwaway joke. I wanted to have a skeleton with a robot voice that would mock the convention of a, of a sidekick so that it would, it would always agree with everything I say. And Josh would come in and start doing the voices and he'd fuck with me and he'd fuck with me so much that what happened is that he completely ruined my joke of you know, my my idea that the

Stand-up was dead and he became to my mind the best sidekick in late-night history Yeah, I mean unbelievable what that guy did What other sidekick fucks with the host? I mean, even, you know, like, well, Paul Schaeffer's just yes sir, yes you are, but there's Ed McMahon, you are correct sir, every, you know, but yeah, he did such a great job keeping you off balance. Oh my god, he makes me laugh so hard that guy. Yeah, I mean, oh yeah, So anyway, I just had to mention that because... Well done for mentioning. So we've got Doug Stanhope, Brian Eno, Weird Al and Josh Robert Thompson. If we can get those guys into a band, now you got something. Get those guys in a band and have them cover the presidents and then send them out onto it. Perfect. We can't do better than that. We'll call on you guys.

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