Joy, a Podcast. Hosted by Craig Ferguson - Tweets and Emails

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

This week on JOY podcast the guest is you! Craig shares what's been on his mind recently and answers some questions from fans. EnJOY!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is me, Craig Ferguson. I'm inviting you to come and see my brand new comedy hour. Well, it's actually, it's about an hour and a half. And I don't have an opener because these guys cost money. But what I'm saying is I'll be on stage for a while. Anyway, come and see me live on the Pants on Fire tour in your region. Tickets are on sale now and we'll be adding more

as the tour continues throughout 2025 and beyond. For a full list of dates, go to thecraigfergussonshow.com. See you on the road, my dears. My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy. I talk to interesting people about what brings them happiness. Hello everybody. So, let me begin with an old-fashioned but traditional way of starting out by anything I do. It's a great day for America everybody. I don't say that ton right now because everybody gets mad Everybody gets mad if I say it's a great day for America people who think it's not a great day for America

And they argue with people that do think it's a great day for America, but it's just the thing I say cuz you know Anyway, look here's the thing This is the Joy Podcast. Normally I talk to people who I want to talk to or sometimes, and I'll be honest with you, I don't really want to talk to at all, but I think, oh, I'll talk to them because see if I can find any common ground. Because that's kind of what I look to do when I'm talking to someone is find some common ground.

Now, that's not hugely popular right now, because common ground and agreement isn't a clickbait friendly, you know what I'm saying? It's kind of like, no one wants to see people agreeing about things. So I know that I know me look not I do this for people to see it, to be honest, I do it because it kind of interests me to talk to people about anything, whether they be celebrities or not, if they're just interested in walks of life. And that was the whole idea of doing this podcast,

was to talk to interesting people about stuff that they do. Now, interesting doesn't mean I agree with them, it just means I'm interested. I'm like, oh well, tell me why you think that. But it was suggested to me and I kind of liked the idea of, you know, because one of the most popular bits we did on the old late night show was the tweets and email segment. Where I would get tweets and emails from people who would just send them in and I never looked at them before and I would like tweets and emails from people who would just send them in. And I never looked at them before.

And I would like get the tweet and email and I would just talk to them. I would answer the tweet or the email and, you know, and figure out what was going on from there. And I was, as somebody said, why don't you, why don't you try that on the JOY podcast? So the upshot of it is we are going to try that today. So the guest on the Joy podcast today is you. Is you.

Is you. Because I like the idea. I like the idea of trying it out. So what I have here is a bunch of tweets and emails that people have sent in via the social media and such. Now look, full disclosure, I'm not really on that social media much. You know, the Instagram and the Twitter X account or Twix account that I have or Facebook or any of the things or YouTube or anything.

I don't really look at that too much because not for any kind of, it used to be, I think, a snobby thing, but really what it's about is about mental health. It drives me crazy if I dig into that. You know, it makes me depressed. So I kind of stay away from it. But Tomas who I work with who produces this, Tomas Zakopal, who's a lovely man from the Czech Republic, or as we must learn to call it now, Czechia, although he doesn't like saying that, but he monitors

the social media and he looks at it and he put together the questions for you to ask me today. So written here on these is a selection of tweets and emails that people have sent in. Now I'm going to answer them and we'll see where we go from there. So let's see. This is from email, an email from Stuart McMillan. Can you name the bars you worked in in London and Glasgow and how many still exist? Well, that's a very easy one now because I never worked in any bars in London at all. I only drank, I drank in some bars in London and I was thrown out of some bars in London.

Some pretty good ones too, but I never worked in any of them. I wasn't really interested in supplying. I was more interested in consuming. I did work in one bar in Glasgow. I loved that job. It was the upstairs bar of a restaurant called the Ubiquitous Chip in Glasgow. That was the name of the, it's a very fancy restaurant actually. It's very popular, it's still there.

And if you're going to Glasgow, please spend your increasingly devalued American dollar there. It's a very fancy restaurant and upstairs they had a bar where they sold a beer called Pfuchtenberg. Pfuchtenberg is a German lager beer which they sold on tap. I think you can get it in more places now but in the time when I worked there, it would be the mid to late 80s, that was the only place

that I knew of, certainly in Scotland, that I knew of that you could buy Pfuchtenberg lager beer on tap. Now this stuff is very, very strong and the bar itself was very close to Glasgow University and Glasgow University academics used to come in and say, I'll take a lager beer because that's how academics talk. And I would say, well, okay, you can have one, but you can't have any more than you have any more than two. And they would have two of them and they'd be like, what are you talking about? And they'd have four

and then we'd have to call the police. It's a very strong beer, is what I'm saying. The Bustenberg Lager beer. And I worked in that bar. I loved that job. Working in that bar, I think was the best training ever for what I ended up doing later on like doing stand up and doing, you know, the late night show and interview shows and stuff and even game shows, because it was very improvisational. You were dealing with a lot of noise and a lot of different stimulus, a lot of different people, all trying to get your attention and you had to improvise.

You had to improvise a great deal. And improvisation is fun. It was, it was kind of like the way you see young comics now, they do crowd work in clubs and they film themselves doing crowd work and then they put it up on the internet. And I think that's fine. I'm glad I didn't do that though, because crowd work, which basically working in a bar

like that kind of is crowd work. You just kind of like, hey, where are you from? You're dumb or whatever the thing is. Um, that I don't know how much I would want that recorded for later. Uh, it's one of the things I think about, you know, with, with younger people now, particularly younger performers, I, I think it's great that they have access to so much media so quickly, but I also think there's a downside to it, which is, and many have run into this already, that a lot of the stuff you do when you're starting out isn't perhaps your best stuff or your most sensitive stuff or your more thought out stuff, your more considered stuff.

And you end up, it comes back and gets you later on. I mean, look, it doesn't have to be, doesn't have to be that. There seems to be a real thrust right now in all forms of, particularly entertainment media, which is, I mean, really what is that? But to try and find, to catch somebody out at some point in their career and, you know, and shame, shame them for a clumsy thing they said

or a silly thing they said, it's happened to me, it's happened to everybody, I think. I think it's mean-spirited. And mean-spirited, of course, gets clicks. There was a project that my son, my younger son was given in school. The teacher gave them, he said that you have 20 minutes, 20 minutes to find a piece of good news on conventional media. Go out and find a piece of good news.

And they really struggled to find it, you know, because the, when you watch the news back in the day when TV was a thing, you know, they would be all the terrible news about what was going on. But the end, it was always, you know, a parrot that could ride a skateboard or a pig that could sing Dixie or something. And it cheered everybody up towards the end of the news. Now, of course, that impulse is taken over by, I guess, TikTok and Instagram, where you see pirates that can do skateboards or dogs that can juggle or stuff like that. But I think it's kind of, a lot of it is, you can get too much of it. Do you know what I mean? I of it is you can get too much of it you know what I mean I don't mean you can get too much good news I mean you can

get too much of that stuff it just it doesn't do anything anyway what the hell is that talking about oh yeah what I'm saying is I don't know if it's a great idea for young performers to have everything out there right away but you know the genies out of the bottle that's gonna happen I'm glad it didn't happen to me so I worked in one bar in Glasgow which I really loved working there you know if I wasn't an alcoholic you were sober and I am still sober by the way thanks internet rumors but I've been sober for 33 years now over 33. It's funny how you get the sense some people would really be delighted if I wasn't so far rich.

I don't know if I'm imagining that if I'm paranoid or something. You get the idea that people will be like, oh yeah, see, it doesn't work. It works. If you work it. But the idea of, you know, having stuff out there when you're young, I don't know. But this is always the problem I've had with performance. I like to perform live because when it's done, it's done. It's over and it's finished and everybody goes away and you remember it the way you remember it. Whether you liked it or you didn't like it, it's done, it's done. It's over and it's finished and everybody goes away. And you remember it the way you remember it, whether you liked it or you didn't like it, it's up to you.

But now, you know, the struggle, the kind of tension I feel with it is I don't really like, and I've never really enjoyed visibility. I like, obviously you need to have it. I want people to come to the show, so they need to know who I am, and they need to know where I'm playing and what I'm doing. And I want to entertain people. I like doing it. I love doing it. It's my thing. But at the same time, I struggle with

the idea of visibility because I don't know, it makes me feel uncomfortable. I feel like maybe I'm just, I think it's probably want to have your cake and eat it which is a phrase I've never understood anyway I mean was the point of having a cake and not eating it is like oh He wants to have his cake and eat it well. Well. What else are you gonna do with a fucking cake? I mean it doesn't make any sense to anyway though the short answer to the question hang on my nose is running a bit That's probably the cocaine. Ha, ha, ha. The short answer to the question, can you name the bars you worked in?

I worked in one. It's called the ubiquitous chip in Glasgow. Gosh, I mean, I better try and cut these answers down a little bit or we're gonna be here all day and we're not. Hello, this is Craig Ferguson, and I want to let you know I have a brand new stand-up comedy special out now on YouTube. It's called I'm So Happy, and I would be so happy if you checked it out. To watch the special, just go to my YouTube channel, at The Craig Ferguson Show, and right there just click it and play it and it's free I can't look I'm not gonna come around your house and show you how to do it if you can't do it

then you can't have it but if you can figure it out it's yours this is from Moss Whelan that's a lovely name isn't it Moss Whelan it sounds like a like a village in the middle of England't it? Moss Whelan. It sounds like a village in the middle of England somewhere. Welcome to Moss Whelan. Joy the cricket. Moss says, would you ever make a puppet show for kids? The rabbit on your old show always seemed joyful. Yeah. Nah. Nah. I don't want to do a puppet show for kids. That's a nice short answer. I don't want to do a puppet show for anything.

I loved doing the puppets on the late night show, but the reason we did the puppets on the late night show, and I think I've talked about this before, but it was really because we had no money. I don't know, if you go and look back at the countless millions of pirated clips of my old late night show on YouTube, on the Internet, everywhere, you'll see that the show that I was making at the time, we were making five shows a week.

We had really honestly no money to make the show. We were making it, we had no band, we had very few writers, we had very few resources. A lot of the times, particularly in the first eight years of the show, in the last two years we had a slightly bigger studio, but in the first eight years of the show, the studio was so small that if we had a guest band on, like I don't know, Adele was on or The Damned or The Sex Pistols or The Puzzcocks or whoever was on, Echo and the Bunny Men, OK Go, whatever, you don't understand what a band is.

But when they were on the show, we had to record the band first, let them play their music and then we had to move all their equipment off so we could get the late night equipment on and then I would do the show and at the end of the show when the band would be on I would pretend to introduce the band and then we would add the band in. But I'd already seen them and so would everyone else. It wasn't ideal but it worked for us. Anyway the puppet thing was, we just saw some puppets lying around the office and we thought we'll try that and it resonated with people.

People do love puppets. I think because puppets can say things that humans aren't allowed to say, that's the convention, isn't it? And I think that's true. The best example of that, of course, is a former guest on the show, is Triumph the Insult, comedy insult dog,

he was a fabulous puppet. But I don't think I would do a puppet show for kids or for anyone else. But you know, never say never. This is from Swakhar Ghose. I think I'm pronouncing that properly. Swakhar Ghose, G-H-O-S-E, maybe Ghose, I don't know, Swakhar, it's a very nice name, says maybe in the end, I don't know, I've probably annoyed a bunch of people by even suggesting that it might not be, I don't know, whatever it is from.

Anyway, it's an innocent mistake. But Swakhar says, I'm getting married in November this year. Any advice for a healthy married life? not actually I Think I might have some advice for healthy married life and it's to do with this is a coffee and Look, I won't lie to you. I was married a couple of times. They're three to be honest I was married once in the 80s for a couple of years. That was a, I mean, look, nothing about the lovely woman I was married to, but we were both drinking a lot, you know, and it wasn't a marriage as I understand it now.

And then I was married in 1998. I got married again and that was, you know, it was what it was. It didn't work out, but we had a lovely son who is obviously still my son and who I love very much. So that was great and the boon from that. But I've been married now since 2008. And here's what I would say. It's coffee, coffee time. Because every morning, whether I'm like on the road and away from home or in or at home, we have coffee time every morning. We sit down, we have a cup of very good coffee and we talk.

And a lot of the times, I'd say maybe like 80% of the time, I don't talk that much. I listen to a lot of things and a lot of, you know, my wife is very, is very plugged into news and current events and, and politics. She pays a great deal of attention to all of that. I actually don't. I feel like something big is gonna happen. I'll hear about it. Probably from her and that's kind of where I get my news. It's a trusted source. So we have coffee time because news now and this is one of the conflicts I have about even doing this what I'm doing right now which is everything in media, all media is social media. There's nothing but social media. When they talk about legacy media,

you go, what are you talking about? Everything's a fucking website. Everything is, everybody's got their tweets and their Instagrams and their social media. Everyone's looking for traffic on their site, which, fine, but that's what it is. And, and I find that, and I don't know if you guys know this, but I find the hyperbolic nature of reporting to be exhausting, really honestly, honest to goodness, exhausting.

And I, I find it depressing. It's like you go, this is a really big thing that's gonna happen and we should all be worried. And then nothing happens. Or something does happen. But what the fuck did the worrying do? You know, did that help? I don't know. I mean, I know a lot of people disagree with me. Like, no, you've got to stay connected to what's going on. I don't know. I don't know if I really fucking do. I mean, especially now that I'm married to someone who is connected to what's going on, I'll hear it from her. And that's a trusted source for me. Like when she says, oh, guess what's going

on in Washington. And then she tells me, and I'm like, oh my God. And then I, the trick is to have really good coffee is what I'm saying. Cause then whenever you're listening to something and you go, and then you taste the coffee, you're like, oh my god, that's delicious. And then you can hear things and I'm not saying I'm no less than, of course I'm listening, but but I'm also, I'm also really enjoying the coffee. And I think that, I think that's, And I think that, I think that's what it is for me. So a healthy married life, coffee. Now there are considerations here. Obviously there may be cultural or

religious implications for you that require you not to drink coffee. Perhaps coffee isn't something you enjoy or do, but find a coffee substitute. Perhaps water, perhaps, I don't know, scotch. Whatever you enjoy drinking in the morning. I used to enjoy drinking. I used to, when people say I'm not an alcoholic because I didn't realize I was an alcoholic until I drank in the morning.

And I certainly, when I was drinking, which is a long time ago, I did drink in the morning. And what people don't tell you about drinking in the morning. I'm not advocating this, but I will say this. If you're an alcoholic drinking in the morning, it's the best bet. That's the best bet. That's the only bet that's good at the end of it. It's like, Oh, thank God. If you can hold it down.

Which is tricky a lot of the time. All right. This is from, So the key to a good marriage coffee or coffee equivalent. This is from Christine Chrysup. How many tattoos do you have now? And what are the stories behind some of your favorites? There's an interesting thing about tattoos. I think tattoos are a bit like sex or murder. I think that the first one is the most difficult, then after that they get kind of easier. And the truth is the way I feel about tattoos now is not the same as I felt when I got my

first tattoo. And I think most people with who have tattoos now kind of feel this way. I think. The ones I talked to you get one it's very significant oh this is a tribal marking for my favorite you know saying or this is my mom's you know sister's blouse that was very important to me or whatever it is you get tattooed in your body and and that's very important and then the next one's's important, but maybe slightly less important.

What happens is I got my first tattoo after my father died. My father hated tattoos and after he died I thought, oh gosh, what's the best way to commemorate a man who hated tattoos? Celtic paradox, get a tattoo. So I got a tattoo from my father and I only got one. And then I forgot about it for a couple of years then. But three years later, sadly, my mother died. And, you know, I was sad, of course, obviously. And then about a year after my mother died, I heard this kind of voice in my head. It was like, Oh, you get a tattoo for your father, but nothing for your mother.

So I thought, all right, so I got my mother's family crest. I got my father's family crest tattooed, and then I got my mother's family crest tattooed. Interestingly, father's tattoo, the family crest of the Ferguson's went on and about, I don't know, hour and a half, two hours, hardly any pain at all. Mother's family crest, two days agonizing. I don't know if that's significant or not, or maybe it says something about me. So I got those tattoos,

but then I was talking to the guy who was doing the tattoo at the time, and he said, well, you know it's bad luck to have an even number of tattoos. I was like, is it? And I'm very, I'm a control freak, so you tell me anything that I could possibly throw a bit of OCD onto and like bad luck and

I'm like oh I kind of bad luck so I had to have a third tattoo and I had recently become an American citizen so I got you know the join or die Benjamin Franklin I know tattoo put there and that was the third tattoo. But after that, you kind of just get tattoos. To be honest, I don't really know how many I have now because there's like, does that count as one? Or, you know, what about this is definitely one, but then these little bits were added later and you know, there's a bit around there and that guy.

And it becomes, I think, it just something that you do or something that you have. And it's not that you do or something that you have and it is not that it becomes less important it just becomes less dramatic maybe like a marriage you know it or a relationship of any kind you know a friendship you know that over time it becomes less dramatic and a little more comfortable and it leaves a mark and sometimes it stings and sometimes you wish I should probably get rid of that. You know what? I would never get rid of a tattoo and I'll tell you why.

Because I feel like it's part of your history. It's part of whatever marks you picked up along the way. I feel I have a scar on my hand. You can see that there's a little I have a scar on my hand. I don't know if you can see that there, there's a little scar across the back of my hand there that I got when I was drunk, when I was about 19 or 20 years old, I punched a window and some great idea I had

about punching a window and I punched the window and I got a scar on the back of my hand. It was very painful at the time and it was a lot of blood and very dramatic, but I'm 62 years old now and I got a scar of my hand. It was very painful at the time. And it was a lot of blood and very dramatic. But you know, I'm 62 years old now and I got a scar in my hand. I barely it. But every now and again, I see it and I go, blimey, what an asshole. Or I just, you know, I have affection for, you know, whatever that young man was going through at the time. And it has a certain sweetness to it for me,

even although I'd rather not have done it, but I did it. And tattoos are a bit like that. I sometimes think grief is a bit like that. I was talking to someone last night at a show. I do, after my stand-up shows now, I do a lot of meet and greets and I was talking to a woman after the show and she was talking about, she'd been bereaved recently and she felt bad and she'd come to the show to have a laugh and had a laugh and that was great.

I was talking to her about grief and I think grief is a little like a scar. It really, I mean my God it's so painful and it never goes away, but it becomes something that's part of you. And in remembering someone, like a scar, it kind of becomes like there's a sweetness to a memory. If you've loved someone and lost them. That's what I thought. I don't know why I got into that. It was from tattoos.

I guess because I got my first tattoo through grief. You know, that was what my father had died. I was bereft. I loved that man. I loved my mother too. And so the scar that I inflicted upon myself was a physical manifestation of the scar that I had in my soul from the grief. So the scar itself is the tattoo.

And every tattoo is a scar I guess in a way One of the things I will say one that kind of makes me laugh or maybe it's an indication But here's a story right there. Don't you can see I have the planet Saturn. That's where I wear my watch Planet Saturn that Saturn of course in mythology is the bringer of old age, right? He also ate his children, but I don't know if he really did that. I think that's metaphorical. But also, it's also metaphorical because it's a planet. But Saturn in mythology, the idea is that Saturn is the bringer of old age. And I thought, well, I'll get that where my watch is. So if I forget to wear my watch

and I look to see what time it is, I'll go. Oh, yeah, that's what time is All right, let's see what else we got we got From Robbie Winstead on Instagram Robbie says the last book you read. What was the last book you read? Now, I'm quite odd about the way I read, because recently, and this is one of the things I have to say that I'm so grateful for about these things, the phones, is I've become very into audio books.

So I will read a book at one point, and it might not necessarily be the book I'm listening to. It's almost like I consume more. I know it sounds kind of greedy, and I suppose in a way it is, but the audiobook thing is into me because I started getting into the Greek philosophers, Greek and Roman, Stoics for the most part, but also Epicureans and, you know, go back from, you know, from Seneca back to Epictetus, from Epictetus to Zeno, from Zeno to Socrates. And I become fascinated by the audiobook thing. And what I was interested in, and I'll get to the last book I read in a minute because

it's none of this, but it made me think of it, is that the audio book thing, getting into the idea of Socrates in particular, a lot of these guys, Epictetus as well, they didn't write down what they were talking about. Their pupils did, their disciples did, but they didn't. So the work of Socrates is all filtered through the writing of Plato. The work of Epictetus, who was a stoic of some renown. I'm not an expert in any of this, but all of his stuff was written down by one of his pupils. Because they didn't trust, I think what it was, is they didn't quite trust the medium to get

across the message that they wanted to get across and they wanted to see, they wanted to be in the room at the time. And I feel a great kinship to that. It is an interesting thing about what we're doing right this very second, which I'm not writing any of this down, I haven't prepared anything for it. I'm sitting in a fucking hotel room in Orange County because I'm doing a stand up show tonight. But there is a directness about what we're doing now, and I don't know if you guys will respond to it, but I'm kind of interested in what's happening.

Not that I'm comparing myself to the great Stoic Minds or of Epictetus or Seneca or anything like that, but Seneca did write stuff down. But I do quite like the idea of just talking. And maybe that's an egotism and maybe I'm second guessing myself, I don't know. But I guess the bottom line is nobody makes you listen. I mean it's one of the things that I'm doing myself now, I don't listen to the, as much as I can avoid it, the cacophony of the media, of all stripes. It doesn't matter if it's left or right or red or blue

or anything, everybody's fucking yelling all the time. And I feel like I can't hear anything when everybody's yelling. And so I've become interested in audio recordings of the writing of the great Stoics there. Now, the last book I read was a book by Robert Harris, who's a great writer. It's kind of in the same theme.

He wrote a trilogy of books, which I highly recommend, really very entertaining and very knowledgeable about the life of the great Roman statesman and let's be honest, Stoic, Cicerov. And he wrote it from the point of view of Cicero's slave, Tiro. I think that was his name. And Tiro actually apparently did write a book, but it was lost in antiquity. It was lost in history. So Robert Harris wrote three books about that,

assuming the role of Tiro in the writing, which is a just fabulous writer. And I think they're called Imperium, Conspirata, and Dictator. I think that's the name of the three books, but you can look up Robert Harris, the Cicero trilogy, and they are set at the time when Rome was transferring from a republic to an empire.

I wonder if you can see where I'm going with this, that there was a great shift in the politics of Earth at the time. And Cicero was very much complicit in that. He had a point of view in it. He wasn't ultimately victorious in how he wanted it to go. But he was part of the movement of history at that time. And it was witnessed expertly through Robert Harris's character of the Slave Tiro at the time.

And it's just fascinating. It's a fascinating parallels into how the world is now. Because here's what I believe. When everybody says, and this was during the election and all that, everybody said it's never been as bad as they're saying like it kind of It kind of always has It always has been like this. This is how it is

But what it requires of you right now Is to try and sift through the noise. I think it was look. I'm probably misquoting this terribly But you know, I don't know if I'm sure I'll be checked in the comments and stuff, but luckily someone else will read them. But there is a quote, I think it's an indirect quote, beware the man that bangs the drum of war, beware the man that says the enemy is at the gates because I am that man and I am Caesar.

Chilling, isn't it? You know, keep the people scared of everything all the time. And then, you know, it doesn't matter what you, what you're trying to steer them into. Keep them afraid. And by having people afraid, having people frantic, they're easier to heard. They're easier to hurt. But that being said, I also have another theory that kind of is in opposition to that. But when it comes to the idea of, you know, what I mean is like, when I talk to my wife, she's always like, she sees, she's not a conspiracy theorist, but she sees all this is what they're trying to do. Or this is what these people are trying to do.

And I'm like, I don't see it that way so much because I don't think people are that competent. You know, whenever I've met high up people in the level of corporate stuff or, you know, governmental positions, and I've met some very senior people in both of these worlds. I'm always shocked by how fucking dumb a lot of them are. Most of them just fucking, you know, not even dumb, just get them. Like they don't have that. They don't have the kind of wherewithal to put a conspiracy together.

Hardly any of them can put a fucking golf game together. I mean, it's, not the golf is a sign of intelligence, it's absolutely not, but but it's a lovely game. I feel like a lot of the time the answer is incompetence, not conspiracy. That's what I think. Of course I could be incompetent or more frighteningly maybe I'm part of a conspiracy, but I'm not. I can't join anything. There's one of the things that really I learned about myself when I was doing late night.

Late night is, let's be honest, a fraternity for the most part, certainly was then, of about maybe at that time it was half a dozen guys. I couldn't even be part of that. it was half a dozen guys. And I couldn't even be part of that. I'm not a great joiner. That's why I never really worked as a band member. Especially if you're the drummer in a band, which is what I was.

I mean, you want the drummer to be part of things, not working on his own. If you do that, you end up with the police. Know what I'm saying? You know what I'm talking about, Sting. That guy speeds up all the time. All the time. I hear him. Anyway.

I... God, I love how I've been talking. Okay. So look, here's the thing. I've got a bunch of emails here. I don't know how you guys feel about this format. I'm kind of okay with it. I think it's worth exploring a little more.

I'll get more specific and I'll stay on the Keep sending the emails and the tweets and stuff and I'll and I'll do some more of them if you want it to happen If you don't it's cool. I mean I'm I'm you know, I can I'll be alright is what I'm saying Here's what I'll try to leave you with something pithy and helpful. Here's what I think is try and have good coffee. Consider the source of your information. Talk to someone you trust and consider what that means. And also listen more than you talk, which is rich coming from a guy who's just talked at you non-stop for the last half hour. And I guess I really believe this,

and this is for everybody. Lighten the fuck up.