Judging Freedom - Aaron Maté: Lies the Zionists Teach.

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

Aaron Maté: Lies the Zionists Teach.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

you Hi everyone, Judge Andrew Napolitano here for Judging Freedom. Today is Monday, June 9th, 2025. Aaron Mate joins us in just a few moments, but first this. While the markets are giving us whiplash, have you seen the price of gold? It's soaring. In the past 12 months, gold has risen to more than $3,000 an ounce.

I'm so glad I bought my gold. It's not too late for you to buy yours. The same experts that predicted gold at $3,200 an ounce now predict gold at $4,500 or more in the next year. What's driving the price higher? Paper currencies. All around the world, they are falling in value. Big money is in panic as falling currencies

shrink the value of their paper wealth. That's why big banks and billionaires are buying gold in record amounts as long as paper money keeps falling They'll keep buying and gold will keep rising. So do what I did call my friends at Lear Capital You'll have a great conversation and they'll send you very helpful information Learn how you can store gold in your IRA tax and penalty free or have it sent directly to your doorstep. There's zero pressure to buy and you have a 100% risk-free purchase guarantee.

It's time to see if gold is right for you. Call 800-511-4620, 800-511-4620 or go to learjudgenap.com and tell them your friend the judge sent you. Aaron Mate, thank you, my dear friend, for joining us today. Thanks for accommodating my schedule as always. What is your latest understanding of the drone attacks on Russia? I mean, who orchestrated them? What was their military purpose? Who benefited by it? The purpose to me was for Ukraine to help try to convince its Western sponsors that it's still in this fight and that Ukraine should get even more US military support on top of the tens of billions of dollars that it's already gotten.

And you can see why. The whole point of the Ukraine proxy war was to weaken Russia. It was to take a strategic adversary off the table, as Keith Kellogg, Trump's envoy to Ukraine, once described it in glowing terms a few years ago. And you can understand why then Ukraine felt as if doing something like this, going after Russia's nuclear arsenal would convince people in Washington to hand over more money and more support

and impose more sanctions. The problem they face is that Trump is not an ideological zealot when it comes to this issue, unlike Joe Biden. The president of Brazil, Lula, just recently disclosed that in speaking to Joe Biden. The president of Brazil, Lula, just recently disclosed that in speaking to Joe Biden, his impression was that Biden wanted to destroy Russia. And that's the goal that Ukraine has been tasked to help fulfill. But in Trump, there's someone who's

not on board with this, clearly. Now you can see that from Trump's reaction to this. So this was Ukraine's goal. This was planned a long time ago. I would be surprised if members of the Biden administration were not aware of this operation, given how integral US planning and military support has been to Ukraine's operation. I don't know if anybody in the Trump camp knew. But from Ukraine's point of view, this was meant to convince its Western sponsors that it can do what it's been tasked to do. I just don't think with Trump it's going to work because Trump doesn't share that same ideological commitment. Is it credible that the United States of America as President Trump has said did not know about it? I mean if this was planned by MI6 as Alastair Crook claims and maybe you disagree with this,, they're wetted at the hip to CIA and to Mossad and to the Ukrainian intel. I mean, isn't it more likely than not that someone somewhere, I'll use Ray,

the governance phrase in the bowels of the CIA knew about this and it just didn't go up the food chain. I think it's a fair bet that people in the US and UK governments knew about this, but all we can do is speculate unless anybody has inside knowledge. It's all speculation. Given the scale of US and UK involvement in Ukraine, it's fair to speculate that US and UK intelligence officials had a hand in this, but we don't know for sure. And it's quite plausible to me that especially something like this was kept from people in the Trump administration who came to office vowing to end the war. So given that the planning was admittedly done since before Trump took office, to me, I wouldn't be surprised if people in the Trump camp and the Trump administration did not know about this.

Because if you're Ukraine especially, you want to keep something like this operation under wraps. So all I can do is speculate. I understand why people think that this was designed not in Ukraine but elsewhere, but we don't know for sure. And certainly I think it's quite plausible that this was kept from people in the Trump administration who were vowing to end the war. I asked Alistair Crook this morning who is running US foreign policy.

I'm going to play the clip. It's only about 20 seconds long. I would like you to pay careful attention to the last two words that he utters. Chris Cutt, number five. He's terrified of the Senate with 80% of the Senate opposed either to the Iran deal or to his deal normalization with Russia and want an escalation. This is very dangerous. So who's in charge of foreign policy? The Russians may be asking himself. Well, not President Trump, but it will be split up between the deep state, the Congress and Israel. And Israel.

Fair analysis? Yeah, I think we're all talking about the same forces here. There's an entrenched bureaucracy and powerful, wealthy lobbyists and billionaires who basically control policy, and they have a huge hand in what happens, but they're not the final say. control policy and they have a huge hand in what happens, but they're not the final say. I mean, Trump has shown at times a willingness to defy the national security bureaucracy and he might do that still on Iran.

It's not likely, but it's possible. But yeah, I mean, overall there's an entrenched bureaucracy and there's entrenched powerful interests. And certainly the Israel lobby is a major part of that. And what happens if Trump goes along with an agreement with Iran? It wouldn't be a treaty, it would be some sort of an executive agreement like the one that he cancelled, which allows a minimal amount of uranium enrichment for civilian purposes. What can Netanyahu and what can Lindsey Graham do about that?

Well, that's a great question because they will try to do something because they don't wanna see normalized relations with Iran because Iran's a powerful country and Iran will not accept Israel until Israel accepts the rights of Palestinians, which Israel refuses to do. And so they'll find ways to sabotage Iran through other means, going after what's left of Iran's allies,

supporting, you know, efforts to foment regime change. They'll do what they can if Trump makes a deal with Iran. Just as what happened last time, they got Trump to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal. That was an example of initially a president defying the Israel lobby, defying pro-Israel forces in Congress from both parties, including Chuck Schumer, who lobbied against his own party members deal, because Barack Obama was a Democrat after all. So they'll do what they can, but certainly if Trump goes ahead and does the right thing and makes a deal with Iran, people like Lindsey Graham and Benjamin Netanyahu will be cooking up whatever they can to try to put the two countries back on

a war footing. Alistair Crook seems to think that this concoction that Lindsey Graham has come up with, which he says has 80 co-sponsors, obviously enough to override a presidential veto, at least in the Senate, to impose more severe sanctions on Russia, which I guess would be secondary sanctions because we've sanctioned just about everything, he seems to feel that that is some sort of a threat to Trump, some sort of Republicans in the Senate rising up to resist his authority. Do you agree? Well, it certainly will be a test

of whether Trump was willing to exert control over foreign policy, which is supposed to be the domain of the president. And from what I've heard, he is. People I know on Capitol have said that Trump is pushing back on Lindsey Graham and is basically telling Lindsey Graham to back down. And it's been reported too that Trump is basically asking for authority under Lindsey Graham's bill to basically ignore what Lindsey Graham is demanding, which is impose secondary sanctions

on countries that do business with Russia. And for good reason, because this would essentially make diplomacy with Russia impossible, and it would ensure that the war in Ukraine continues without interruption. And so, but that's the test that Donald Trump faces. Is he willing to actually refuse to let Lindsey Graham and other warmongers dictate foreign policy, we'll see. If he lets them pass this bill, it isn't veto it, and he lets them basically control whether or not he can engage in diplomacy with Russia,

then he'll have failed that test. He will have failed it dramatically. It may even be constitutional implications here. If the Senate tries to intrude into his, here I am defending him, I've called him authoritarian and I'm defending him, but he does have certain legitimate prerogatives under the Constitution, one of which is foreign policy. And Lindsey Graham, the Logan Act notwithstanding, seems to be trying to mold that foreign policy to his own liking.

You saw the clips of Lindsey Graham and his new buddy. They don't agree on anything except this, Richard Blumenthal, when they were encouraging as Zelensky to be optimistic. Optimistic about what? Isn't Trump at the end of his rope on Ukraine? These are two people, Lindsey Graham and Richard Blumenthal, who have bragged about how they're using Ukraine to bleed Russia.

Lindsey Graham was so happy that Ukraine would, in his words, fight to the last person. He said, this is the best money we've ever spent. Richard Blumenthal said almost the exact same thing, that this is the best investment we've ever done because we're taking out a rival Russia without sacrificing any American soldiers. So what they're really saying is this is great because Ukrainians are being used as cannon fodder on our behalf. And that's what they want to keep going.

That's what they're trying to enlist Zelensky in continuing. And Zelensky has an intent to do that because he himself walked away from a peace deal that could have ended all this three years ago. And now he doesn't want to have to admit defeat. He doesn't want to have to admit that he could have avoided so much death and destruction had he accepted a far more favorable peace deal than the one that Russia is offering now. Plus, he also has the traditional threat of radical ultra-nationalists threatening him if he makes peace with Russia.

People like Lindsey Graham and Richard Blumenthal are taking advantage of that to basically continue the current strategy of sending more Ukrainians off. All while Russia takes more territory, but Russia does take strategic hits. Like for example, this recent attack was a hit to Russia. It was embarrassing. It damaged some important aircraft. And Lindsey Graham and Richard Blumenthal love that because they don't care that the cost will simply be more dead Ukrainians. Do you expect a humongous,

I don't even know if that's a word, an over-the-top retaliation from the Russians or just the continued methodical, patient, regular, systematic movement westward of their military? I do think we are going to see, and again this is all speculation, but this attack was so sensitive, attacking Russia's nuclear triad that I just, I don't see how Russia doesn't respond. As Trump even indicated, I mean Trump said that basically Russia's gonna have to hit back hard and I agree with him and I think he picked that up from his conversation with Putin. So yes, I do expect a more devastating attack than the one we've seen so far and I'm not, it's not what I'm hoping for. I wish everybody could find a

path to de-escalation at this point. This war's gone on for, well it's been going on since 2014 but it really escalated when Russia invaded three years ago and Russia has the military advantage and so any escalation I think will only lead to a lot more suffering for Ukrainians who have suffered enough so unfortunately yes I do think we're going to see a asymmetrical response from Russia. Here is one of the more childish analyses of the war out of the mouth of the president in the presence of the German Chancellor in the Oval Office on June 5th, Chris Cutt, number one.

But sometimes you see two young children fighting like crazy. They hate each other and they're fighting in a park. And you try and pull them apart. They don't want to be pulled. Sometimes you're better off letting them fight for a while and then pulling them apart. And I gave that analogy to Putin yesterday. I said, President, maybe you're going to have to keep fighting and suffering a lot, because both sides are suffering before you pull them apart, before they're able to be pulled apart, but it's a pretty known Analogy you have two kids they fight fight fight

Sometimes you let them fight for a little while you see it in hockey you see it in sports The referees let them go for a couple of seconds. Let them go for a little while Before you pull them apart and maybe maybe and I said it and maybe that's a negative because we're saying go but a lot of bad blood there's some bad blood between the two I mean where is he going with an analogy like that the million human beings dead and he's comparing this to two teenagers having a fight in a public park. Yeah, and unfortunately the two teenagers are not or children are not equally matched. I mean one's a lot bigger and that's the case with Russia.

I think what he's really saying is he doesn't want to put the political capital into fully divesting the US from his proxy war. He's willing to negotiate with Russia to address some Russian concerns, but he's not ultimately willing to stand up to people like Lindsey Graham, at least forcefully to say, this has gone on long enough. Yes, I know that you appropriate that Congress allocated all this money for the Ukraine proxy war that is still left and we're still giving them weapons, but I'm going to cut all that off and I'm going to just say, this proxy war has to stop now. So that's what I'm hearing from him He's not willing to put the political effort behind it now. Look

Could Russia have been more accommodating to him and engage more with the terms that he put out I mean the US did offer to recognize Russia's annexation of Crimea And but Putin basically said I'm not interested in that. He wants more because from Putin's point of view, Russia has sacrificed a lot as a result of the US push for NATO expansion and the sabotage of the Istanbul peace talks three years ago. So Putin at this point now wants blood. And I think he wants to teach the West a lesson.

And Trump is not willing to go as far as I think he could In meeting Russia's demands and I understand why it would be a tough political fight He would think Trump has it in him to turn off the spigot Remember all those funds appropriated by the senator subject to the discretion of the president Well in theory he does but do I think he has the fortitude no because ultimately He's spent a long time saying one thing policy-wise, but not willing to actually implement it when he had the chance to. In fact, when it comes to Russia in his first term, especially, he did the

opposite of what he promised. He talked about cooperation with Russia. He ended up approving escalatory policies with Russia, from tearing up arms control treaties to sending weapons to Ukraine that Obama wouldn't even send. And just like, you know, he was under a lot of pressure then. He had the Russiagate scam surrounding him. He's being accused of being a Russian agent. There was nobody willing to back him up, including on the Democratic side, in support of diplomacy with Russia.

Now, though, he has more free rein, and he is moving. He's not as bad as he was in his first term. And in fact, he's talked about brokering peace, which is better than what Joe Biden was doing. But yeah, I don't think he quite has the fortitude to really do what it takes to end this war. Here's what former national security advisor and former secretary of state

under President George W. Bush had to say, Aaron, I forgot what a neocon she is. Listen to this and watch this. Cut number two. And if we had given them everything at the beginning of the war, when the Russians thought this war was going to take five days, they might have won outright.

So I would urge that if these talks are going nowhere, if Vladimir Putin is playing along, hoping that he can just keep this war, this kind of 19th century war going, that we will help the Ukrainians, let them buy the weapons and let them buy the weapons from us and from Europe. Well, first of all, let them buy the weapons with what money? They don't have the money with which to buy the weapons.

But what terrifies me is we should have given them everything they needed from the start. What could that possibly have meant? Does she mean nuclear weapons? Because that's the only real deterrent that Ukraine could possibly have at this point. And what she's forgetting is that what happened at the beginning, immediately after Russia invaded were peace talks, the same peace talks that Zelensky was refusing to engage in just before Russia invaded. Russia basically imposed by force the diplomacy that Ukraine and the US were refusing to engage in. So that's actually what happened.

So if you want to play out Condoleezza Rice's scenario, and the US had somehow given Ukraine even more weapons than it gave at the beginning, which by the way was a lot. Biden rushed a lot of weapons to Ukraine even before Russia invaded. Then what you would have seen is Russia sending in even more forces to invade Ukraine rather than the relatively smaller force that it sent in with the goal of compelling talks. I do think Putin thought that Ukraine would collapse. I do think that's actually true. I do think he had a wrong impression about how Russia would be welcomed. And I do think that's actually true. I do think he had a wrong impression about how Russia would be welcomed. And I do think he was misled or diluted there. But in terms of what his goal was,

his goal was obvious. It was never to take over Ukraine. It was to compel the diplomacy that Ukraine was refusing to engage in by openly rejecting the Minsk Accords. And that's why there was peace talks immediately after Russia invaded, which culminated in the draft outline of the Istanbul Accords three years ago, which the US and UK sabotaged. And basically had the US sent in even more weapons than probably those peace talks never would have happened. And Russia would have sent in far more forces.

And maybe at that point, the war would have ended way earlier, just not in the way that Condoleezza Rice thinks it would have. at that point the war would have ended way earlier just not in the way that Condoleezza Rice thinks it would have. What justification does the Israeli government give for stopping an aid ship, a boat, a sailboat a couple miles out to sea? You know I've stopped paying attention to Israeli statements because they're just so divorced from reality and this is a government currently engaged in mass murder so they'll say anything to justify their actions but I imagine they'll put out some phony security pretext that this small aid ship trying to carry

basic supplies to Gaza is somehow a threat to Israeli security and of course they'll assert a false authority over Gaza when nobody recognizes Israel's occupation of Gaza and the West Bank. So they have no right to stop this aid ship trying to reach a place that is not Israeli territory. It's Palestinian territory, and it's occupied territory, and it's currently besieged territory. And yeah, they'll try to paint these activists. And they had, as just attention seekers that they've called the boat

the selfie yacht as if everyone on there is just out for attention when really they're just incredibly brave noble people trying to break a siege that is slaughtering tens of thousands of Palestinians. And is it true that the Netanyahu regime is now arming a criminal gang inside Gaza, one that has ties to ISIS? That is 100% correct. Israeli officials have admitted this, and the aim was obvious. They want, you know, while claiming falsely that Hamas is looting aid and that that's why it's not getting to the people of Gaza, looting aid and that that's why it's not getting to the people of Gaza. Israel has been paying off gangs that themselves loot the aid and create chaos, which Israel can then use to say that, oh, Hamas can't be trusted and the UN can't be trusted. And therefore we have to send in our own fake aid group to control the distribution of aid, which happens to

be set up in ways that promote ethnic cleansing in Gaza and also leave people there to be trapped like mice and shot as Israel repeatedly does with these fake aid distribution sites. So yes, it's one more plank of this just unspeakably cynical and evil operation that Israel is carrying out inside of Gaza. No surprise at all that the people that they're paying have ties to ISIS, because that's also by the way who Israel supported

in Syria. Literally when fighters aligned with ISIS and Al-Qaeda were wounded, some of them are treated in Israeli hospitals and then sent back to Syria. That's who Israel has always been tied to in that region. Aaron Mate, thank you, my dear friend. Thanks for letting me go back and forth on all the topics and thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. All the best. We'll see you

next week. Thank you, Judge. See you then. Of course. Coming up later today at 4 30 this afternoon from Moscow with some fascinating observations. Larry Johnson, Judge Napolitano for Judging Freedom. You