Judging Freedom - AMB. Chas Freeman : Trump Stumbles at the UN

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

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My speakers are working, but I can't hear you. I think we're... Nothing still... No. Nope. I could hear the advertisement perfectly, no problem, but then could not hear Judge Napolitano. Okay, can you hear me now, Ambassador? Yes.

All right. What a delight. I'm sorry about it. Thank you, and apologies, everyone, for the occasional glitch here. As I was attempting to ask you, before we get to your take on President Trump at the UN, yesterday he and Prime Minister Netanyahu announced a sort of neo-colonial plan for the dominance of Gaza, why would Hamas give up its arms and surrender the hostages? Well, I don't think they will.

You know, this is another example of the United States and Israel colluding to produce a proposal that has all sorts of false assumptions in it. One assumption is that Hamas has been defeated. It hasn't been. Another assumption is that you can ignore Palestinian nationalism and you can ignore democratic opinion among Palestinians and impose a government on them. Another assumption is that somehow you're going to get

Arab states to send troops and pay for the reconstruction of Gaza, which, by the way, they've done before on multiple occasions, but history shows that whatever they build, Israel then destroys. So this satisfies no one. And I note that in Israel, there's a little smotech, the ultra-religious Zionist, has rejected the plan outright, saying that it will end in tears. I don't think we've heard from Hamas. I don't, you know, I think people in the Arab world are very eager to please the United States. They respect our power, if not our wisdom.

but I don't think this is going to fly and what role would Tony Blair have would he be sort of the colonial under this scheme the colonial governor of Hamas doing whatever Israel and the United States want well that's been his historic role yes so why not I'm told that he likes to delegate doesn't like to be on. So he will be, he will preside over what you correctly call the colonial enterprise in Gaza if this happens. But as I said, I don't think it's going to happen. Yesterday, President Trump, this was not televised. We were told that it happened. There are some still photos of it. Forced Prime Minister Netanyahu to apologize to Qatar for the assault on a residential neighborhood in Doha. The apology, of course, came three weeks after the assault and was probably forced upon Netanyahu because Trump was worried his $400 million jet might be demanded back.

Or the Cutter, a royal family would rescind its plan to invest $400 billion in some American enterprise. I mean, where does this get us? Absolutely nowhere. This is more important. I think this was preceded right after the attack by the president saying that there would be no recurrence of such an attack and immediately being contradicted by Prime Minister Netanyahu who said Israel will attack anyone anywhere and any win.

it feels like it. And he pretty much reiterated the same thing in his speech to an empty room at the UN General Assembly. So I don't know that this is performative and shameless, and I suspect it does not really reassure the gutteries. Netanyahu at the UN was cold, indifferent. demanding, threatening, offering no empathy, empathy, sympathy, or understanding when he addressed this audience, which was literally empty, but for Israeli officials and embassy employees. Right, and the Visitors Gallery act with Israeli supporters or Israelis, I'm not sure which. But no, that speech was in every sense an indication of the extraordinary isolation that Israel has achieved for itself internationally.

You know, you just can't begin to overstate the significance of a mass walkout on that speech. I think President Trump, who's so closely identified with Prime Minister, Netanyahu was fortunate that people didn't walk out on his speech. Instead, they sat in what was pretty much stony silence, with a few exceptions, and listened. And I know from friends who know some of the diplomats who were sitting there listening to our president, that they were texting things like, this man is utterly insane. How can Americans not see that? So it was silence, but it wasn't respectful.

Here's Netanyahu at his worst, articulating the myths he has been perpetrating about October 7th, every single one of which has been debunked by Western and Israeli sources. Chris? They beheaded men. They rape women. They burnt babies alive. They burnt babies alive in front of their parents. What monsters!

And these monsters took more than 250 people hostage. And those included Holocaust survivors, grandmothers, and their grandchildren. Who takes hostage grandmothers and grandchildren? Hamas does. So far, we've brought home 270. of these hostages, but 48 still remain in the Dungeons of Gaza. This was an outdoor rave R-A-V-E concert. It's hard to believe that there were grandmothers.

Well, there might have been, and maybe some very sexy elderly women dancing there. But, you know, as you listen to that, the amazing thing is the crimes that he's reciting are all crimes of which the Israeli defense forces are guilty. And we're talking about rape? What about sodomy and rape in prisons, Israeli prisons? Talk about taking grandmothers and grandchildren hostage. What do you think Israel's doing on the West Bank and elsewhere? Talking about burning people alive, Israel's done that by bombing tents.

We've seen the videos. So this is an amazing effort at, perverting the truth and attributing to others what Israel has been doing. I'm not saying, you know, there was no evidence of any of that, of course, but it's possible what happened. We still are living with this incredible set of lies. He went on, by the way, to deny that there was any starvation in Ghazi, he said Israel had generously provided food throughout. And, you know, So I don't think anybody outside Israel, his supporters there, gives this man any credibility at all. The starvation has been well documented by every medical group that has ventured into Gaza and has chosen after they leave to speak about what they have seen.

If I may, Judge, you know, there is not a single, not a single, human rights investigative organization or international body including the International Court of Justice the International Criminal Court the UN Human Rights Commission that has not concluded that what is going on in there is the deliberate slaughter of people by bombing and sniping and starvation so this is a genocide everyone knows that mr. Netanyahu can stand there and talk to an empty room and deny it but it's empty because because everybody is tired of his lives.

And the American taxpayers paid for every bullet that enters the brain of Palestinian babies fired by Israeli reservists, many of whom are terrified of being there. What is Netanyahu doing to Israeli society? Well, you can talk about what he's doing to Israeli society, which is shredding any vestige of unity, causing people to hemigrate people who lose hope in the future of the

Zionist state of Israel, dividing people, caving into religious zealots who are essentially fascistic in their thinking. All these are terrible things, which a few very brave and very articulate Israelis constantly denounced to no effect. But I'm really more concerned about the impact on our country. We are in lockstep with Israel. We have gone from enabling Israeli crimes against humanity to actually participating in them. And so not only have we supported the horrors

that have been committed since October 7th, Actually, we enabled the horrors that happened before October 7. When the Palestinians burst out of Gaza, people should have said, well, you know, what were the Israelis doing to them before they burst out? The answer is, quote, mowing the grass. In other words, periodically bombing, straping, sniping, murdering people who might be an effective opposition to in a concentration camp. So, you know, this didn't start yesterday. 95% of casualties over the course of the Israeli occupation

of the West Bank and Gaza have been Palestinian, not Israeli. So we talk about terrorism. If the shoe fits, Israel shouldn't wear it. What is your view of the reception of the, murderer Al Jalani at the UN. Well, it's an extraordinary event, really, because this is a man who had a bounty on his head not so long ago.

He's been terrified by the West, the United States and Great Britain primarily. I don't think he has, in fact, to achieve St. Hood. In fact, what's going on Syria is pretty ugly. He is either not in control or he is complicit. In his followers, murders of alawites and Druze and other minority, Christian minority as well. This is not a subtle situation. He is a protege of ours, of Israel's, of Turkey's. He is now abjectly dealing

with Israel, to know of hell, because the Israelis are expanding the land that they're taking in Syria and conducting raids all over the place, backing the Druze separatists, backing Kurdish separatists. And yet, he's really, you know, he's on the payroll, evidently. And so he got a fine reception in New York. and I think there were two elements to it. One was realism. He is in charge, sort of, at least in Damascus. And we should deal with people who are in charge,

not pretend, as we do in Venezuela, that they're not. And second, we have had a media blitz, you know, wiping out all of his past behavior. Maybe he has, in fact, repented of his sins and is now on a different course. But what's happening in Syria isn't very firm evidence of that. Here's General Petraeus kissing Al Jolani's ring, Chris, number 24. As you know, Mr. President, I spent over 37 years in the U.S. Army, and I was a soldier, not a diplomat.

So I hope you'll forgive me if I speak with the directness of the old soldier that I am, as I get the first question out of the way. Because the fact is that we were on different sides when I was commanding the surge in Iraq. You were, of course, detained by U.S. forces for some five years, including, again, when I was the four-star there. And here you are now as the President of Syria.

I just want you to tell you, really, on behalf of all the people who are here, that this conversation has truly filled me with enormous hope. It has been very, very heartening and illuminating. Your vision is powerful and clear. Your demeanor itself is very impressive as well. How are you holding up under all this pressure?

Are you getting enough sleep at night? Again, I've been there, and it is so very, very hard. And you're many fans, and I am one of them. of them. We do have worries. Wasn't that disgusting? Well, David Petraeus, you know, is a talented general, but among his talents are political smartiness. What you just saw was a prime example of that.

This is part of the campaign to prop up Shara Angelani. And, yes, I mean, I didn't enjoy watching that. What's the status of Hezbollah these days? Nazaral has been dead for about a year, and at least on the public stage, they've been rather quiet. Yeah, they are quiet. They have been rebuilding their strength. They were badly hurt by the various Israeli assaults on them,

and weaken. But they do represent the majority of opinion in Lebanon apparently. And the effort to disarm them is going nowhere. Basically disarming them, given the weaknesses and unreliability of the Lebanese army, would leave Lebanon with no defense against Israel, which is, of course, the objective that we are pursuing in cooperation with Israel. They're not. beaten. They're there. They are still resistant. They still have backing from Iran, even if it is the supply chain, supply lines are now difficult. But the main strength that they have is popular support. Wow. Ambassador Reff Freeman, thank you very much. Sorry for the audio problems at the outset, but we are recovered nicely, and you were very patient, as always. And it's a joy to be

able to chat with you. We'll look forward to seeing you next week. Great. Thank you. And coming up later today at 2 o'clock this afternoon, Aaron Motei, and at 3 o'clock, Colonel Karen Koukowski, Judge Napolitano for Judging Freedom. Thank you.