Judging Freedom - Anya Parampil: US Disrupts What It Hates

Episode Date: September 9, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Thank you. Hi, everyone. Judge Andrew Napolitano here for Judging Freedom. Today is Monday, September 9th, 2024. Anya Parampol is here with us to talk about scandals in Israel. And why does the United States hate certain Latin American countries? But first this. A divisive presidential election is upon us and the winner is gold. Let me tell you what I mean. Since 2016, our national debt has grown a staggering 70% and gold has increased by 60%. Do you own gold?
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Starting point is 00:01:59 Remember, hope is not a strategy, but gold is. Anya, my dear friend, welcome back to the show and thank you for your time. Thank you very much for joining us. It's a pleasure for the audience and for me. Over the weekend, Prime Minister Netanyahu made a public showing of the fact that he has ordered the IDF to invade Lebanon. This is the third time he's done it. He did so while the commander of U.S. forces in CENTCOM, which though it's headquartered in Florida,
Starting point is 00:02:36 covers Europe and the Middle East, was with him in, I'm not sure if they were in Jerusalem or in Tel Aviv. Does this mean anything to you that he's made this kind of an announcement? Can the IDF possibly take on Hezbollah when they can't defeat Hamas? I think this tells me that Netanyahu is increasingly desperate and trying to manage the narrative that he is embarking on a great regional war in the Middle East. I mean, we already know that the Israelis don't respect the sovereignty of Lebanon as it is. They've been engaged in exchanges with Hezbollah and pushing the limits there, firing into Lebanon, killing
Starting point is 00:03:19 Lebanese civilians already throughout this war. And it's really, I think, just a tactic that serves two purposes. One, try to bait Iran into a deeper conflict or a more aggressive position with Israel. But more importantly, his comments came just after the U.S. Secretary of State, if you want to call him that, Antony Blinken, made a remark claiming that the peace negotiations were 90% there, close to the finish line. So Netanyahu's statement effectively comes out and sabotages Blinken's public face, though I would say that Blinken himself is just buying Netanyahu time as he has throughout this entire war. And it was interesting to me actually to watch Netanyahu's speech last weekend, not just this previous one, but before that, when there were hundreds of thousands of Israelis in the
Starting point is 00:04:11 street, close to half a million demanding Netanyahu reach a ceasefire and just simply bring the remaining prisoners of war or hostages home in an exchange. And an Israeli journalist asked Netanyahu after his speech, during which he said, basically, no, there's no chance we're going to make a deal. I'm just pushing forward. The journalist said, well, you know, President Biden in the United States said that you're not behaving well. And Netanyahu responded with the words of Antony Blinken saying, well, actually, Antony Blinken says that I'm trying really hard to make a peace deal. And so I think this is part of a dynamic where you have Netanyahu acting like a madman in the public and trying to ramp up war. And Antony Blinken, the U.S. official who seems to be
Starting point is 00:04:56 running foreign policy and spearheading it with an MIA commander in chief, running cover for a foreign leader to the point that his own words could be used as Netanyahu's defense against comments from the commander in chief. It's a fascinating analysis. I think you know that our friend and colleague, Professor John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago, openly, notoriously, and regularly refers to Antony Blinken as Netanyahu's lawyer. Now, I don't know if Blinken is a lawyer, but he certainly is running cover for Netanyahu. How foolish to make a comment that we're 90% there. That means that the 90% stuff is not really disputed or contentious. It also
Starting point is 00:05:41 means that there will never be the closure of the gap here because Netanyahu cannot afford the political consequences, the disastrous political in the street, is already facing severe political consequences. But that's the nature of Israel. It has to push forward with death, actually, in order to preserve itself. And now that we've seen confirmation in Australian media, something that the Gray Zone reported from the very beginning, that October 7th, all the fatalities, the major death toll that we saw on that day, actually, responsibility for it lies mainly or perhaps primarily at the feet of the Israeli military. The Australian media just came out with a report claiming that October 7th was a mass Hannibal directive campaign, meaning Hannibal directive being this policy, an official policy within the Israeli state that I think many Americans have an issue grasping, which allows
Starting point is 00:06:50 them to essentially just torch an area, even killing their own civilians, if it means preventing hostages from falling into the hands of Palestinians. And so that's what happened on October 7th. We hear about October 7th constantly in U.S. media and from our politicians in order to justify this war. And yet, and our continued support for it and the money that we're sending, which, by the way, if Blinken were serious about a 90 percent ceasefire, he has all the power in his own hands by doing that, not only now in alternative U.S. media such as the Gray Zone, but in mainstream Australian papers and beyond, even in Israeli media, they've admitted this. The fact that Netanyahu can just keep on pushing ahead, even as those people are in the streets saying that they want our hostages back, tells you everything you need to know about the nature of the Israeli state. And in my opinion, a state based on death and destruction is unsustainable. They can call this a slaughter, whatever doctrine they want. It's immoral. It's illegal. It's a war crime. And look at what it has led to. Hasn't the IDF
Starting point is 00:08:00 recently murdered an American by putting a bullet in her head while she was peacefully demonstrating in the West Bank? Yes, this was a peaceful, a peace activist, actually, just there, and who was shot, targeted in the head without any explanation. And again, that's part of, I grew up on the story of Rachel Corey, an American peace activist who was from Washington state and actually was in Gaza at the time when Israel was still directly occupying it, defending a Palestinian's home when an Israeli bulldozer ran her down. There's British journalists at the time that were killed by the Israeli army, and they get away with impunity. Meanwhile, you have people in the United States complaining about Hamas killing American citizens, hostages, prisoners of war during this conflict. And yet they would never point out that those Israeli citizens, or those US citizens actually joined a foreign military. I don't know how we can actually, in Blinken
Starting point is 00:09:05 stepping out and calling them American heroes, I think if you were going to be an American hero, you should have put on the US military uniform, and then maybe you would garner that level of respect. But instead, you see this hypocrisy, no attention on the Americans killed by the Israeli forces, whether it's in the West Bank, or beyond, or even just with the World Central Kitchen, remember, just a few weeks or months ago when the Israelis carried out a double strike on a convoy of humanitarian aid workers. How much more do the Israelis have to demonstrate that they don't care about human life, even if it's the Americans?
Starting point is 00:09:39 They're openly biting the hand that feeds them. And the hypocrisy from the State Department is, again, says a lot about Antony Blinken and who he truly works for. Here's Anwar Ibrahim, who's the Prime Minister of Malaysia, at the recent conference with President Putin, the Eastern European Economic Conference, East Asia Economic Conference, saying it all began with colonization. Chris, let's run cuts six and seven back to back. As I've consistently said, we cannot use the narrative of many in the media or Western capitals that it all began with 7th October Hamas attack.
Starting point is 00:10:29 It all began with colonization. It all began with the Nakba in 1948. It all began because of the reluctance to accept the resolutions of the United Nations consistently and of continued harassment of settlers. I think the majority of countries have taken a position, including the recognition of the state of Palestine. But why is it not happening? Because of the intransigence of Israel
Starting point is 00:10:58 and unfortunately with the total support of the United States. In fact, giving him a standing ovation when atrocities have been committed. That's why I ask my colleagues, even in the West, where's the humanity? Why do you talk about justice? Why do you go and preach to us about human rights and democracy? Why is there contradiction
Starting point is 00:11:25 when it comes to treatment of issues happening in the world? And again... I've not heard a head of government speak so candidly, honestly, and directly and courageously as he. Indeed. And I think Putin's facial expression suggests he agreed with the president of Malaysia there. And the reality is, yes, I think the majority of the world is far beyond where the United States are and our allies.
Starting point is 00:12:01 It's just that we've been able to exercise such extreme bullying tactics in the international community to prevent any sort of response, be it at the UN or elsewhere. But that's changing. That world that you see on stage there with Putin is, I think, the direction that we're moving into. And the rules-based international order that the West has attempted to prop up since World War II, I think, died under the stewardship of Antony Blinken and Joe Biden. It's never been more clear that the Western ideals that we profess are all based on hypocrisy and we don't have a leg to stand on. working on building our strength up internally and showing ourselves as an example to the world instead of cracking down on free speech and making a mockery of our own constitution, while at the same time making it clear that we do not care about human rights, we do not care about human life, and making our block, our sphere of influence,
Starting point is 00:13:00 simply outdated and worthless to rising powers. Before we leave Israel for other topics, this is hard to believe, but have Zionists called for you and your husband Max's death? Yes, that was in response to a tweet that I made about Dana Bash being protested at her book events, which I think is completely valid. Dana Bash, I love to watch CNN because I think it's where the sausage gets made. It's where you get to see the political theater playing out. And if you watch it with a critical mind, you can tell exactly what's going on. So at the beginning of this war, after October 7th, I watched a whole lot of Dana Bash manufacturing consent for this war, saying some of the most disgusting things, even in response to children getting slaughtered. Well, at least they weren't raped.
Starting point is 00:13:52 I saw her make that statement once, which is absolutely disgusting. who's a former AIPAC employee, really do not hide the fact that they're Jewish supremacists and that they are constantly pushing Israel's narrative on U.S. media and, again, manufacturing consent for this mass death campaign. So I made a statement saying protests at our events were justified. And in response, a crazy Zionist lunatic on Twitter looked up a home address of ours and tweeted it, said, if anyone would like to pay Anya and Max a visit, here it is. She sent us DMs saying, TikTok, somebody will come to see you on Sunday. But, you know, thankfully, after we publicized that, I think enough people mass reported her that her account was suspended.
Starting point is 00:14:42 So, but I mean, this is just the way the Israelis operate or Zionists here. I mean, they are so violent. That's all they have going for them because they don't, they can't make an argument based in humanity and love or anything positive. It's all just destruction for them. And so it's what we expect, sadly. What is your understanding of the theft by the United States government of the plane used by President Maduro of Venezuela? This is a remarkable story, Judge, that just came out last week, though. The plane itself, the U.S. apparently seized in May. Just last week,
Starting point is 00:15:24 the U.S. then flew it back or seized it and flew it to Florida, taking it into U.S. apparently seized in May. Just last week, the U.S. then flew it back or seized it and flew it to Florida, taking it into U.S. custody. So this is part of a trend of the United States acting as if its jurisdiction applies to the entire planet. And this is especially the case when it comes to Venezuela and the sanctions we levied there. They said actually, in addition to claiming that the plane was seized, the U They said, actually, in addition to claiming that the plane was seized, the U.S. seized the plane because of Maduro's misgovernance, which I mean, then how is Air Force One still operating if anybody can just seize a plane because of bad leadership? That's ridiculous. But they also said that it was purchased in a way that violated U.S.
Starting point is 00:16:01 sanctions. Well, earth to the Treasury Department, your jurisdiction does not apply beyond the borders of the United States. So you don't actually have the right to go seize this plane in the Dominican Republic, except for the fact that the U.S. has subjugated so many governments around the world. And apparently this new government, which, yes, just changed in the Dominican Republic, is more subservient to U.S. interests. It's exactly like a case that I write about in my book that saw the United States actually carry out the kidnapping of a Venezuelan diplomat named Alex Saab when he was refueling his jet in Cape Verde in 2020. That was, again, there was a warrant issued in the United States, and only by pressuring a government that was subservient to the U.S. and Africa were they able to force local authorities
Starting point is 00:16:52 there to force him off his plane and into Cape Verdean custody, and he was eventually extradited to the United States. It's a bit similar, actually, to the case of Julian Assange, where the U.S. believes that it has the ability to, and it does unfortunately, because so many governments around the world are willing to bend to our will because we promised them aid investments and, oh, we'll build up a nice, beautiful U.S. embassy in your capital and pump a bunch of money into your economy. That's the way the world works for now. I think because we've exercised such criminal, just blatant criminal acts like seizing and stealing a plane, which honestly is a bit petty, it's not as if Maduro is not gonna be able to fly around anymore, that again, we're only doing damage to ourselves at this point, and exposing ourselves as hypocrites and exposing what the
Starting point is 00:17:43 rules based order is all about. And it doesn't look good for us going forward if this is how we're going to keep behaving, I think. It's a rapid deterioration of the concept of sovereignty, national sovereignty, that the United States can allege that events took place that took place in another country that have had no negative effect whatsoever in the U.S. somehow violate U.S. law and they can just arrest people and seize property. The very same agents who seized this jet refueled it and flew it to Florida would prosecute somebody who did the same, just stealing property like that. Why do they hate Maduro? Well, you talk about sovereignty. Since 1998, when Venezuela had a revolution that overthrew,
Starting point is 00:18:39 I mean, a very deeply, a government that was deeply connected to the United States and just running an IMF style program in Venezuela for decades that had led to social strife. Since then, Venezuela has said our oil and our gold reserves and all of our minerals, which are vast, again, largest oil and gold deposits in the world by far, is under their own command and that it can't be transferred to a foreign entity. That really upset ExxonMobil and the U.S. government and the IMF and the powers that lie behind them. And since then, they've been working to undermine first Chavez's government and now Maduro's. I always bring up the example of Maduro attempting to repatriate Venezuela's gold. Billions of dollars worth of gold stored in the Bank of
Starting point is 00:19:24 England just a few months before the United States initiated this coup attempt that sought to recognize a shadow government and then gave London the ability to just say, oh, we don't actually know who the government is in Caracas, so we're holding this gold indefinitely. Worked out great for the UK if the gold is even still there. Really makes you wonder, I think, about some of those gold deposits that were in the United States as well. And Maduro, for any flaws that you want to say that his government has, I'm not here to defend every element of it. I think that Venezuela has the right to be sovereign. And unfortunately, in the United States, there's this mentality, even within certain circles that might understand why war
Starting point is 00:20:05 in Europe doesn't make sense for us, still view South America and the Caribbean as our backyard in this traditional Monroeist way. And so they can't handle the fact that Venezuela has, because really we boycotted them and issued sanctions against them, gotten closer with Russia, China, Iran, rising powers that again are moving away from this Western dominated rules-based order and establishing their own way. And so the United States would love to have Venezuela back in its orbit. They would love to have Exxon back pumping the oil. And these are comments that even John Bolton, Trump's national security advisor, made publicly at the initiation of that coup attempt in 2019. But the ridiculous, just to spell out how ridiculous this policy is
Starting point is 00:20:52 now, because we're in 2024, the government never fell. Guaido and these figures that the U.S. recognize as the government of Venezuela are now in Miami and scattered throughout the United States and Spain. So they have no authority. Again, it couldn't be any more clear. And yet we refuse to reestablish relations with Venezuela, even at a time when we've let in millions of Venezuelan migrants through the TPS program and are now dealing with the blowback of that policy. We don't even have a functioning embassy, Venezuelan embassy in Washington, D.C. It is completely empty. And yet we have all these Venezuelans here that can't get any services. It's a complete disaster. And it almost seems as if it's an intentional ploy by our government. It feels like they just want us to be unstable here at this point, because I don't see any other reason why they would go ahead with such
Starting point is 00:21:45 a boneheaded policy. Venezuela actually has an official policy called Vuelta a la Patria, where they've repatriated economic migrants, chartered planes all throughout Latin America to bring back tens of thousands or thousands of migrants that left and actually decided they wanted to go back home. And the Venezuelan foreign minister, actually, I had an event with him in New York just a few weeks ago. He told me that they've tried to reach out to the United States and to the UN to implement a similar program in the United States. And it's we won't return the calls. We won't we won't actually engage with them and discuss any possibility of repatriating some of these migrants or just at least having a dialogue or relationship
Starting point is 00:22:33 with a country where we now have millions of their citizens. It's really scary, actually, when you think about how misguided and ridiculous the people that are running Washington, how they behave. Your knowledge of these matters that are not on the top of the fold or even the front page of American media is vast and extraordinary. What is the involvement, if at all, in any of this with Javier Malay, the new president of Argentina? Well, Javier Millay should be studied as a great branding campaign because he's taken what was just the traditional IMF neoliberal agenda that has existed in Latin America for decades and branded it as libertarianism. Yeah, he's slashing the government spending and slashing government ministries. And
Starting point is 00:23:26 so maybe some American libertarians think that that's really cool. But in reality, that is just the agenda that the IMF has prescribed in these countries for decades. And that's what he's carrying out. It's not even a sovereign Argentine policy. He's pegged his currency to the dollar, made his government more dependent on foreign bankers, and even shipped some of Argentina's sovereign gold supply overseas, which I don't know how any libertarian could support that. In addition, since April, when he met with the commander of Southcom. He's announced an intention to join NATO. Don't have to consult a map or I've never seen any map that includes Argentina as part of the North Atlantic, pretty far down South, last time I checked. And yet he's part of this trend,
Starting point is 00:24:20 such as like Zelensky, of leaders that want to join NATO and push their region further in the direction of conflict. And so what we're looking at, I mean, Zelensky, when he was elected, one of the first trips he took was to Israel. Then he went to the G7 meeting and had a big celebration with Zelensky for being, I guess, I don't know, puppets of bankers and Western hegemony. And now he is attempting to, through his words, calling for the arrest of the president of Venezuela, his regional neighbor, and taking really extreme rhetoric against left-wing governments in the region. It seems as though he is setting himself up to act as a leader in Argentina as a staging ground for a wider regional conflict. The U.S. has announced an expansion of a base there, a naval base in Argentina.
Starting point is 00:25:15 And there is now this push, yes, to bring him into NATO, which I think would be a disastrous policy. It will only lead to more instability, this time on the American continent. And as I mentioned, the Russians, the Chinese are very close with the Venezuelans. There are Russian military advisors in Venezuela. They do joint military operations. The Venezuelans buy all of their weapons from Russia ever since we boycotted them back in 2006. And so what we're looking at here is not just a potential conflict between Argentina and Venezuela, but the same regional powers that are fighting in Europe right now and the Middle East.
Starting point is 00:25:53 It would be an expansion of the world war that we are living through to the American continent when we could simply just wake up one day and say, look, we want to get along with Venezuela and all these other countries in the region, stop trying to undermine them through our NGOs and our covert, dirty operations in the region. We could just make mutually beneficial agreements and live in a world that I think would be much happier and much more positive, much more stable for the American people. Because if this conflict or if Zelensky has his way, we really think NATO is going to be a positive influence in South America, then we're only going to end up with more migrants and more instability on our border. We have never lived through something like that. We've only been dealing with wars in Europe and
Starting point is 00:26:39 the Middle East for quite some time. So why we would invite that to our backyard really baffles me. Last subject matter, if I could. Over the weekend, the head of MI6 and the head of the CIA sat next to each other in public and took questions at a Financial Times conference. Sir Peter Moore, the head of the MI6, made a truly absurd statement about the Russians in Ukraine. I'd like your thoughts on it. Chris, cut number 10. And it's important to remember how this started in this phase with Putin mounting a war of aggression in February 2022. And two and a half years later, that failed. It continues to fail. The Ukrainians will continue to fight.
Starting point is 00:27:30 We will continue to help them to fight. And it's difficult. Not a word of truth in anything he just said. It's almost absurd. It started two and a half years ago, and Putin has failed already. Yeah, I think that would be news to the Russians currently. But the odd thing that I'd point out there is that it's the CIA, MI6, all there for a
Starting point is 00:27:57 financial paper. I think that really encapsulates our relationship with the British. I grew up thinking we fought our independence from the British. But the older I get, the more that I realize that actually our government is run by a bunch of Anglophiles and people who actually still see us as wedded to Europe. And so that is the core relationship that has pushed us into this conflict with Russia. It serves no interest, I don't think, American interest to fight Putin in Europe, but it definitely has been a trend for the British to fight those wars. Here's what the two of them said. Bill Burns said the offensive into Kursk
Starting point is 00:28:34 put a dent in the narrative propagated by President Putin. Sir Peter Moore said, I think they have to a degree changed the narrative. Why are these two concerned about the narrative? They're propagandists, even though they're the head of the two of the largest spying agencies in the West. Yes. And that's all they care about is the narrative. They don't care about the fact they've been fighting to the death of the last Ukrainian. And I'll note that I just became aware today of this new statement from Victoria Nuland when she basically admits openly that the United States and Britain, through Boris Johnson, sabotaged a peace deal in 2022 because, in her words, the deal would have prevented Ukraine from buying more American weapons. And she's
Starting point is 00:29:26 smiling, grinning like the Cheshire Cat while making this stunning admission that she openly, that she and the British are openly satisfied to fight to the death of the last Ukrainian. That to me is sick. It's sick. And those are the people running our country. So I would like Americans to wake up and make a change. I don't know how we can do it, but I'm tired of it. I'm really tired of these people. Anya, it's a pleasure, my dear friend. Thank you very much for joining us. Before you leave, I just want everyone to know that I love the gray zone. And if you like judging freedom, you will love the gray zone. Well, you'll see more of Anna and her husband, Max Blumenthal, and their colleague,
Starting point is 00:30:06 our dear friend, Aaron Maté, as well as the others who labor mightily as investigative journalists to take on the powers that are. Thank you, Anna. It's a pleasure, my dear friend. The love is mutual, Judge. Thank you. Thank you. Coming up later today at two o'clock this afternoon, a person I have known for 50 years, the one, the only, the great Ralph Nader. And at three this afternoon, my best buddy from Fox, an expert on why things cost more than they should, Charlie Gasparino, Judge Napolitano for Judging Freedom. Thank you.

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