Judging Freedom - Col. Tony Shaffer: The End of Zelenskyy?

Episode Date: November 15, 2023

#GlobalPolitics #Espionage #PowerGames #netanyahu #ukraine #israel Prepare to have your belief system challenged as we penetrate the thick fog of international politics with our esteemed guest, Colonel Tony Schaefer. This episode peels back the layers of a recent Washington Post narrative, accusing a Ukrainian military intelligence Colonel of the Nord Stream pipeline's destruction. As we scrutinize the CIA's all-too-convenient explanations, we delve into an intriguing dialogue between President Biden and the German Chancellor. We stir the pot of conspiracy and question - Did the Ukrainian Navy really pull off such a sophisticated attack?As we journey further, we cross borders into Israel, surveying a nation's growing dissatisfaction with Prime Minister Netanyahu in the aftermath of the October 7th attack. Our analysis uncovers the diminishing Western support for Ukraine and an intriguing link between President Zelensky's downfall and the events of October 7th. We then untangle the strings attached to the precarious funding situation of both Israel and Ukraine, drawing attention to the dangerous game of borrowed money and borrowed time.Finally, we expose the neoconservative's secret agenda targeting Putin and their exploitation of Ukraine as a weapon of war. As we step back to see the larger European reaction to the conflict, we spot an attention shift from Ukraine to Israel. We conclude by scrutinizing General Jaluzny's stark admission about Ukraine's grim future, Zelensky's waning political lifespan, and the mainstream media's failure to mask these harsh realities. Join us for this thrilling episode as we navigate the labyrinth of global politics, espionage and power plays.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Thank you. Hi, everyone. Judge Andrew Napolitano here for Judging Freedom. Today is Wednesday, November 15th, 2023. Colonel Tony Schaefer joins us now. Tony, always a pleasure. Thank you very much for coming back on the show. Always good to be here, Judge. Thank you. I want to talk to you a little bit about how the Israelis feel about Prime Minister Netanyahu. And I want to talk to you a lot about the collapsing support in America and in the West for the war in Ukraine. But before we do, over the weekend, the Washington Post came out with some sheer nonsense from the CIA. Of course, they don't admit it's from the CIA. You can debunk or support that, that a colonel in the Ukraine military intelligence, he has since denied this, is taking responsibility for the destruction of the Nord Stream pipeline. Our friend Cy Hurst says this is hogwash. This

is the third of the CIA's crazy explanations. The last one was six people on a sailboat a la Gilligan's Island. Why would the CIA use, there is the colonel, he's in jail. So you see him in a glass cage in a Ukrainian courtroom. He's jailed because apparently he attempted to induce a Russian pilot to defect to the Ukrainians and something went wrong and Ukrainian soldiers were killed in the process. He first admitted, but then denied they had anything to do with Nord Stream. But my question is, the President of the United States boasted in the presence of the German Chancellor, if Putin enters Ukraine, we'll destroy Nord Stream. The German chancellor didn't say a word. Cy Hirsch came out with the most detailed, irrefutable explanation of CIA and Navy SEALs destroying Nord Stream. The CIA came out with the nonsense about the Gilligan's Island like Minnow, the name of

that boat, if you remember from the TV show. I do. And now this. Why is the CIA coming out with this now? Does this have to do with anything with Zelensky falling and Zelensky rising in Ukraine? Sorry, my question's so long. No, I think the parallel is more appropriate for get smart. Remember, two men in a rowboat and all the doors. With that youthful face of yours, you are aging yourself that you know these 1950s television shows.

We need to use the cloak of silence. It's like, Max, you know that doesn't work. Anyway, back to our topic. So the CIA's motto should be anything but the truth. Because that's why they're putting it out the idea here is to muddy the waters as long and as as as as massively as possible with as many stories as as they can they can do so what you see here is another convenient narrative and i think most people even oh it, oh, it's a narrative. It's a narrative. It is a narrative. So the CIA is all in picking up threads. Come on. We saw this a number of

times over the years, the whole yellow cake in Africa. I'm sure your colleagues, McGovern and others can probably give you much more detailed stories than I can. But suffice it to say, the CIA is all in because, to your point, Judge, all roads lead back to one very frail and dependent Joe Biden. So here is that frail and dependent Joe Biden, Chris, with Chancellor Scholz. This is before the invasions, about two weeks before the Russian troops first entered Ukraine. If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it. How will you do that exactly, since the project and control of the project is within Germany's control? We will, I promise you, we'll be able to do it. Like a poodle standing next to him and not

shown on that clip is the Chancellor of Germany. He doesn't say a word, just stands there and smiles. This is meat and potatoes for Cy Hersh. Look, Judge, who are you going to believe? The video or your lying ears?

I mean, what the heck? It's abundantly clear that Joe Biden got a prosecutor fired when he was vice president. He says it on stage. I don't know why people doubt this. He says he did it. Same here. I have not talked to Cy Hirsch about this, but I do believe Cy's reporting is completely credible regarding Joe Biden approving the hit, conducting the hit. Gilligan's Island metaphor. To do an attack like this underwater takes a sophisticated technology capability. You can't do it with two men and a robo. You can't do it with a pleasure craft. You have to have a submersible with some level of ability to put people at the bottom and implant things or things. I referenced to you and your audience, Blind Man's Bluff. There's a book out that talks about Black Navy,

and that's Black meaning, the euphemism for clandestine, Black Navy during the Cold War. So anything you can see in that book, you can imagine was applied here to the Nord Stream pipeline. So I'm just saying. Last question about Nord Stream.

Does the Ukrainian Navy military intelligence community have the sophistication to have pulled this off? No. No. Not remotely. No. Okay. It's a strongly stated aspiration, but no.

There's no way. None. Zero. Zero. Okay. Before we get a little bit into lapsing support for Ukraine, one or two questions about Israel. You have friends and contacts in Israel and in the IDF. What is the feeling about Prime Minister Netanyahu?

I mean, for generations, maybe for 75 years, the Israeli people had a compact or a contract with the government that the government had their backs, that no matter how unpopular they were, how irrational their opponents were, the government would protect them. October 7th was the greatest Israeli government failure in the history of the country. How did the Israelis, from your contacts, feel about Netanyahu himself? Well, I'll just state what I've already said on the record, restated, I should say. You know, I have my own radio program, The Hard Truth, Tony Schaefer. I am interviewed back right after the 7th of October, Ambassador Ido Aharoni.

Ambassador Aharoni, who I've met, worked with, he was the consul general for the Israelis at the UN for about six years. Now, you seated that ambassador next to me at a dinner party at- That's right. At a lease. You remember that. You remember. Absolutely. So you know him.

You know him. So you know him personally. So his perspective, and again, we talked about this in the show, that Netanyahu's legacy is going to be the failures leading up to the 7th of October, to the attack. That's it. That's what the Israelis I talk to, represented by Ambassador Aharoni, reflect that. So I think at this point, Bibi's shelf life is limited. And I don't want to use the shelf on the shelf metaphor. I'm just saying, I'm just being a little bit glib here. But I think there's a limited time he has left to do what he has to do. I know there's a lot of international pressure on Israel to do a number of things. One of those is regarding their

march into the Gaza Strip. I don't want to get into the details of that. I do track it, as you and I both do a lot of stuff on another network. I'll be talking about my point of view on this later today. With that said, it's very clear that most of the Israelis that are actually not politically minded, that is to say they don't go to the political extreme, see Netanyahu as a net loss that he needs to go sooner than later. Okay. Why is support for Ukraine collapsing in the West? I think the veneer of victory, which was touted by the mainstream media in both the United States and England, has worn away. I think the bare horror of Ukrainian losses cannot be hidden. I think the immense waste of U.S. military resources, German resources, NATO resources,

which have been given to them and used fruitlessly, cannot be hidden. And the one thing that you can't hide is the Russians are back on the offensive. So every part of the battlefield from north to south, the Russians are now have returned to the offensive, some in major ways, some in small ways. But there's no way to hide that at this point. I think that's why the U.S. is finally people who have been lied to. Notable, notably, your audience, Judge, you've always given me and others access to your audience. We've told them from the beginning that the Russians were going to win this. And it's not I'm not pro-Russian. It's just the facts are what they are, rather than what the

folks on the neocons wanted them to be. We're going to take a break from Colonel Schaefer for just a minute for a commercial announcement when we come back. How bad is for President Zelensky? And what is the connection between the fall of Zelensky and the events of October 7th? But first this. Judge Napolitano here. The world is falling apart and the government wants to spend money to try and save it. The Israelis are defending themselves from the greatest onslaught in their history. Ukraine is collapsing.

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tell them the judge sent you. How badly did the neocons miscalculate in Ukraine? And how badly do they admit they miscalculate? I'm sorry to ask you this. I can't do it with a straight face. I can't either. with a straight face.

I can't either. They're admitting nothing. I mean, I don't encourage people to go over and look at Jennifer Rubin and Malcolm Nance and all these folks, because I think that I head knowing what I know when I see what they say. It's like, really? Are you like a Star Trek character? Do you live in some alternate timeline that we don't know about? Because that's the issue. They continue to live in their alternate universe, Judge. They started off in that alternate universe and they tried to make everybody else join that alternate universe. Well, to make everybody else join that alternate universe. Well, they're back in their own alternate universe by themselves, but they're not going to actually admit to anything that they did regarding mistakes. And this is and let me say this to be very clear, painfully clear. Political aspiration should never be the basis for taking sides in a foreign conflict. And that's what happened here.

There were a lot of folks for whatever reason in the neocon left, because I don't consider them conservatives, who wanted Putin removed. Why that is, I don't know. Progozhin was part of that. I think we're going to come to find in much more detail that Progozhin was the heir apparent that they really did want him to be the guy that goes in there and gets rid of Putin. I mean, never hire a chef to do an assassin's work. You know what I'm saying? It's like, that was a bad move. But I think they were all in and were having Putin removed, somehow believing that Putin would, his removal would make things better within the former sphere of the Soviet Union. And I don't know, I don't know even know why they thought that. So. One of our writers, Willie Bowles, asked, how do these people sleep at night for what they have

done to all the young men's deaths in Ukraine? A whole generation gone for Victoria Nuland and Tony Blinken and Jake Sullivan and Joe Biden's fantasies, fantasies that they can use Ukraine as a battering ram with which to drive Vladimir Putin from office. Yeah, Judge, this was never about Ukraine, not once. I mean, Ukraine was used liberally. And I mean that in the general sense, not in the political sense. But it was very clear for a number of us, like, you're not trying to help these people win, are you? You're just simply giving them stuff and letting them go off into essentially a form of World

War I attrition warfare, where you're just throwing people into the grinder and hoping for the best, because that's what they did. And at this point, I think they really did believe, Judge, that throwing enough stuff at Russia would simply degrade Russia and see Putin and Russia fail. And they could care less about the very thing you just said, the lives of a whole generation of Ukrainians. They should be ashamed of themselves, but they're not. They're never going to be ashamed of themselves because their politics is a form of collective narcissism that allows them to do whatever they think is right and ignore the reality in which we live. Has Western Europe soured on supporting Ukraine the way the United States has, and at least the House of Representatives and probably

most of the Senate? I think the first group who actually said it was Poland. Poland actually, about a month ago, we talked about this. They said, we're out. Good luck with your war. And that was before the Polish elections. That's right. When a more liberal party came into power. Right. So Poland has already, I think, started the trend, and everybody else is just quietly kind of backing away. You know, it's like that Homer Simpson thing where he backs into the bushes, like, you know, I wasn't here. So, no, I think it's going to, that's why you saw that,

that great Zelensky clip, dialing for dollars, you know, him, if you give me, if you give me an Abrams today, I'll pay you for it Tuesday. So, you know. If you give me an Abrams today, I'll pay you for it Tuesday. Are the Ukrainians to some extent a victim of timing? That is October 7th, which certainly devoted or diverted the attention of American policymakers from Ukraine to Israel. No, I think it's a convenient off-ramp. Judge, they were looking for the off-ramp. A lot of folks by then were looking for the off-ramp. Come on. You can only ignore, again, like I said, the veneer of the alternate reality coming off the whole narrative. It was just getting harder and harder to cover up that big hole in their story about how victory is imminent. And then when you had, within, I guess, last week, General

Jaluzny admitting to The Economist, the British publication that, yeah, we're at a stalemate. No, you're not at a stalemate. You're basically on the defensive now, and you're hoping for the best. So I think that's why right now you're seeing, I think Zelensky's, speaking of someone with a limited shelf life, I think Zelensky's days are very limited. And Tony, after General Zelushny, who you and the other former military folks that come on the show have told me is rooted in the international military community, he's not a political hack. He may have been the president, but he's a serious military guy. After General Zelensky said that, President Zelensky dispatched his people to condemn what General Zelensky said. Then General Zelensky's chief of staff was assassinated when he opened up what he thought was a birthday present, and it was a grenade. Then President Zelensky canceled presidential elections in 2024.

So how unstable is President Zelensky's presidency in Ukraine as a result of the miscalculations in the war, as a result of Ukraine letting them around and not entering into a peace agreement with Russia that they both agreed to two years ago? Well, I think the peace agreement is going to be prominent in the new discussions. I know in most of the media I listen to, that's very prominent for the right reasons. The illusionary thing, remember, Judge, you and I are both students of history. During the worst years of the Civil War, we still had elections in 1864. Lincoln went up for re-election and a lot of people thought he was going to lose.

And so, you know, the fact that we had elections during our Civil War means that, and I still see that the whole thing with Ukraine is civil war. Again, I've said this before, it's more of a civil war than it is an invasion of another party. They're all slobs. They're all slugging it out over terrain that's been back and forth between the two countries over the last 300, 400 years. So with that said, I think Zelensky is on very thin ice because he, that's why I think it's one of the reasons he canceled the elections. He knows his party, he and his party wouldn't sustain themselves in elections. People are fed up. People, they cannot lie to their own people about the massive losses and complete feckless effort.

And I think a lot of people, if they look at the facts, are going to see Zelensky as an extension of the United States and the interest of the neocons of Newland and of Blinken rather than being a steward of the interest of the Ukrainian people. Where does everything stand militarily? I mean, can Russia keep going east? Can it go to the Dnieper River? Can it go to Kiev? Does Putin even want to do that? Has the Ukraine military effectively collapsed? The answer is, I think the Ukrainian military is on the verge of collapse. I think there's a good chance you're going to see... Remember, another Civil War parallel, and I'm not the only one saying this, by the way just this is not tony shaper's creative thinking this is the things i'm i'm reflecting things that have been said in the media uh i think there's a good possibility if you remember the civil war in uh 1865 there was no formal surrender of uh of the south to the north uh basically jefferson davis the president of the south a democrat by the way just just throwing that in there, ran away.

And they eventually captured him. But there was no formal end to the war. Basically, people generally think the Appomattox surrender of Lee to Grant is kind of the end. But there was no formal end. There's a possibility. Are you suggesting that there'll be no formal end to this war. I'm suggesting if the central government fails, falls, the military will, or the military could fall first. I think the military, remember, they're used to getting tons and tons of resources. From us.

Yeah, from us. It's going to fall away. So the question becomes, what do you do with what's left in the field? It's going to be up to Putin what he wants to do or not do regarding the Dnepr River and the rest of Ukraine. I don't think Putin wants it. I think Putin wants a diplomatic negotiated into this. They keep what they have, and basically they push Ukraine into being a neutral state, much like Switzerland, where neither side has an advantage and they're kind of seen as a neutral

area for both sides. Tony, put your political hat on for me. Is there any chance that the Congress, through some sort of a crazy compromise involving Israel, Taiwan, the southern border, border security, whatever, politicians are able to cobble together. Is there any chance that Congress comes up with the billions that Joe Biden wants to send to Ukraine? So we've already got earmarked $10 billion to go to Taiwan, which I think is going to happen despite Biden doing some things

to actually ingratiate himself with the PRC, CCP leadership. Their meeting is today. The Xi meeting with Biden is today as we're taping this. So that's one tranche of $10 billion. That's a lot of money. And then we've committed to doing, I think, a similar amount for the Israelis. And I think that's something that's going to happen as well. The Ukraine money is something problematic because Joe Biden wants that money basically together with the Israeli money because of the problems in his own party. The Democrats right now are completely split down the middle. I think they're more on Hamas's side than the middle regarding the Israeli issue. So Biden wants to basically literally split the baby here. They want to have money go to Ukraine, which is his pet project, and he wants to have the Israeli money tied to it. So it's like, well, I had to do it.

I had to side saddle to get it through. The truth is the opposite. Everybody I talk to, members of Congress, want it all split out so individual votes can be established and tracked. I think you and I would agree. Any appropriation should be in a specific focused area, not a big block. This omnibus nonsense is insane. Our old friend Walter Jones drove Walter nuts when they did stuff like this. So I'd like to believe under a more conservative leadership, they're going to break out the budget, make sure these things are separate. And if they do break it out, Tony, will aid the Ukraine pass? No, it won't. It will not. So the absence of Ukraine from the front pages, so to speak, is not just because of American interest in Israel.

It's because of American and media recognition that Ukraine has lost. Something you and I and McGregor and Ritter and Johnson and McGovern and Ho and Kwiatkowski and all the others have been saying for two years. Yeah. And look, full disclosure, I know a lot of these guys. I know Matt, Matt Ho. I know Danny. I know Doug. I consider them all friends. But it doesn't change the fact that basically, we didn't talk to each other about any of this either. We did not coordinate. These are all folks I admire because of their independent thinking and independently of each other. We all saw this for what it is. And yes, the answer is to your question. The mainstream media just can't hide it anymore. There's no way CNN, MSNBC can do happy talk as our friend Catherine

Herridge calls it, where they basically, the media just parrots things which make people feel good. They can't do that anymore because there's nothing there that they can use to point to. Tony Schaefer, always a pleasure, my dear friend, no matter what we talk about. Thank you very much for your time. We'll see you next week. Great. Thank you, Judge. Three o'clock today, another analysis of this from the intelligence inimitable Phil Giraldi. He'll also tell us about war crimes in Israel. Judge Napolitano for Judging Freedom. MUSIC