Judging Freedom - Kyle Anzalone:

Episode Date: March 4, 2024

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Kyle, a pleasure, my dear friend. Thank you for joining us. Over the weekend, the Russian intelligence services released a tape recording of two German generals speaking very candidly, as if they didn't know they were being listened to, about Germany shipping Taurus offensive long-distance heavy-duty missiles to Ukraine and the need for German technicians in order to operate them. About the same time, Chancellor Scholz said in response to what President Macron of France had said earlier, don't worry, we're not going to send any German troops there. So this is either the right hand not talking to the left or government being as deceptive as it always is. What is your take on the

candor of the German acknowledgement that it's prepared to wage offensive war against Russia? Well, Judge, thank you so much for having me back on the show this week. And yeah, I guess with government, I typically go with deception. That seems to me what's going on here, that maybe Schultz knew that this was going to be leaked and try to get out ahead of it and say something a little more dovish. This seems very serious. They're talking about sending German troops to Ukraine and more importantly, revealing the role of British troops already on the ground in Ukraine. And also, you know, just as somebody who's a member, you know, I live in a NATO country, and so I'm a citizen of the NATO alliance, I guess. It seems very concerning that German defense officials are discussing these kinds of things on lines that are apparently

intercepted by some third party here. So that seems to be a pretty big breakdown on behalf of the Germans. But yeah, overall, this seems like some big deception and a real potentially hawkish move by the German government here. So now we know that Germans, British, American, and French, whether in uniform or out, whether military or intelligence, whether civilian contractors or freelance mercenaries, are all present on the ground in Ukraine. Is NATO fighting a war against Russia? Yeah, and we really have been at least since February of 2022. And Judge, it's interesting, of course, that all these discussions about NATO and admitting

that they have troops operating in Ukraine, that we've had the CIA extensively operating in Ukraine for some time. We've known this all along, and certainly guests of your show have discussed this all along. However, there is a young Massachusetts Air National Guardsman who just pled guilty to the discord leads. And in early 2023, he was leaking documents that showed that these special operators were in Ukraine, that the Western. And so we knew about this for some time and from official documents.

And just now, Tashar pleaded guilty to leaking those documents and is going to spend apparently the next 16 years in a federal prison. It's reprehensible that he should be punished for revealing a truth that the American government was lying about, that the NATO governments were willing to lie about, as if they can spend our money and deploy our colleagues, countrymen, and not tell us about it, not seek the permission of Congress, not seek a declaration of war. Of course, there'd be no basis for a declaration of war against Russia. They all seem to want war, though. Listen to this crackpot, Mike Turner, this Republican from Ohio, who's the chair of the House Intel Committee, talking in a very matter-of-fact way that, oh, don't worry, they'll get their money. Cut number six, Sonia.

Speaker Johnson now has the leeway and the flexibility to work through Congress and the Appropriations Committee. I think it's going to be moving quickly. We're going to get our appropriations. They're not completely out of am April. They're not completely out of ammunition. I've been to, I was in Kiev last month and met with Zelensky also at the Munich Security Conference and certainly spoke to our military. And they are rationing, but they are not out. This is critical. We have to support them now or they will lose.

And I think the Speaker sees that emergency. Hakeem Jeffrey sees that emergency. And I think we're going to see bills hit the floor. Do you think that Mike Johnson will cave and listen to this type of nonsense? I'm certainly concerned that last week we had reports from House Republicans, House Democrats, that they were willing to kind of break reins and support Mike Johnson if a member of the House Freedom Caucus, say, calls his speakership into question if he allows this vote to come to the floor. He would have the Democrat support needed to overcome that hurdle,

any Republicans who oppose. So I think it's pretty likely the war party, at least in my lifetime, really doesn't lose on these kind of issues. They get Congress to acquiesce and do what they want. So it certainly seems that we're moving in that direction. And also, it's just absurd that this representative and so many other warhawks in the U.S. get to parade around like they're somehow pro-Ukraine when we knew from the Ted Shere elites, the discord elites, that Ukraine had no chance of winning this war in early 2023. And yet the U.S. pushed the Ukrainians and lost tens of thousands of Ukrainian lives

in last year's counteroffensive and has cost Ukraine so much more territory than they otherwise could have negotiated and kept in this war with Russia. So it's absolutely a travesty of what these people who parade themselves as being pro-Ukrainian have actually cost the people of Ukraine. Colonel McGregor opined when I ran that clip of Congressman Turner that Congressman Turner's next trip to Kiev, he'll be met by Russian military and security officials, Russian military and security officials. Here's a similar argument, but this is the classic domino theory argument that Joe Biden loves from Secretary Austin after they beat him up on his

decision not to tell the president about his leave of absence for his surgery. Here's what he had to say about the, boy, if we don't get that money to Ukraine now, American troops are going to be fighting Russian troops because there'll be no stopping President Putin. Cut number eight, Sonia. We know that if Putin is successful here, he will not stop. He will continue to take more aggressive action in the region. And other leaders around the world, other autocrats around the world will look at this and they'll be encouraged by the fact that, you know, this happened and we we fail to support a democracy.

And so if you're a Baltic state, you're really worried about about, you know, whether or not you're next. And and so they they know Putin. They know that what he's capable of. And quite frankly, if if Ukraine falls, I really believe that NATO will be in a fight with Russia. If Ukraine falls, I really believe that NATO will be in a fight with Russia. This is just nonsense, in my view, intended to scare the war party, as we call them, into doing what they're probably going to do anyway. And remember, he's under oath when he says this. I don't think that matters anymore when they say something that's profoundly untrue, that he's under oath, but he was under oath. Right. Yeah. And again, you had to ask yourself

if this is like deception or stupidity, because time and time again, Putin and every other Russian official has made clear that they have no interest to going to war with any NATO member state unless they're attacked by a NATO member state first. And in fact, you know, the way that NATO has waged a proxy war against Russia and Ukraine, if it was waged against any NATO state by Russia, you know, by a Russian proxy, we would consider it a Russian war against NATO. And so Russia has sustained attacks from NATO member states essentially, and has just allowed it to happen. So the idea that once Putin is finished with Ukraine, and he's not even interested in conquering all of Ukraine anyways, that he's now moving on to other NATO states is just absurd. One, the Russian army has had enough trouble

in Eastern Ukraine. And so, you know, there's no sense that the Russian army has the legs to go all the way through Poland. But also Putin has shown time and time again that he's very willing to negotiate and not take all of Ukrainian territory. He doesn't want to reconquer Ukraine and draw the lines of Russia all the way around Ukraine. He just wanted NATO, not Ukraine, not to become a NATO member state. And if he has to take half of Ukrainian territory to do it, he's willing to go that far and do that. But he's not going to attack another NATO member state. And yet we have all these politicians and officials. It's not just Lloyd Austin.

It's Nikki Haley. It's Joe Biden. Everyone in the White House saying that they know Putin's going to go on to NATO member state nets. And yet everything out of the Kremlin says that they have no interest in doing that whatsoever. Let me switch over to Israel and Gaza. Antiwar.com has a piece saying that 70% of Democrats want somebody running for president who's against aid to Israel? Where are they going to find such a person? Unfortunately, I don't see it on the horizon. Anybody high ranking in the Democratic Party seems to be all on board with the consensus that we have to support Israel. So

that's really unfortunate that they're not going to get the candidate. The good news is, is that the people of the Democratic Party have seen at least some of what's going on in Gaza, and it's absolutely made them sick, and they want no part of it. And so they're turning against aid to Israel. Hopefully this could, you know, manifest in the upcoming elections, and they could elect more Democratic representatives to the House or Senate. It doesn't look like they're going to get a candidate or would win the White House anyways. But more Democratic voters voting for candidates who oppose aid to Israel is beneficial because we need to break America's tie with Israel.

This ongoing support for Israel is just disgusting at this point. What is Benny Gantz, the former head of the IDF, a member of the Israeli Knesset, a member of Prime Minister Netanyahu's war cabinet, his political adversary on the floor of the Knesset. What is he doing in the U.S., and why was there such a big kerfuffle about him coming here? Well, I imagine he's in the U.S. because the White House is putting out this delusion that what is happening right now in Gaza doesn't reflect the will of the Israeli people or even really the Israeli government. It's just Netanyahu and a few other right-wing extremists who have kind of taken control of the government and who are doing this really nasty thing. But

no worries, we don't need to really reevaluate our relationship with Israel because there's other more moderate politicians. And, you know, they put forward this guy, Benny Gantz, who it turns out is just as radical as Netanyahu on this issue. He has some issues with Netanyahu, but they seem to be mostly, you know, internal Jewish politics and don't really have to do with how the Israelis interact with the Palestinians. In fact, he's the Israeli official that announced the Ramadan deadline, so March 10th deadline for Hamas either has to release all the hostages or they attack Rafah, a city of 1.5 million people, most of them civilians, sheltering on the street. He's just as bloodthirsty for Palestinians as the rest

of the Israeli government. But again, the White House has to pretend like they're not all on board with this genocide to somewhat appease their base. And so this is going to be one of their solutions, parading Benny Gantz around. Does the American public, in your view, see how two-faced the White House is. There would be no invasion of Gaza, but for all the American military support. And yet we're, I guess it's just symbolic, it's not substantive, sent 38,000 meals ready to eat to be airlifted onto Gaza beaches and at the seashore. So we're giving them the weapons with which to kill you. But if you survive those weapons and there is no food and there is no water and there's famine, we'll

give you some food to eat. I mean, that's basically what Joe Biden is saying to these poor people. Right. And I think bringing Benny Gantz to the U.S. is kind of symbolic in the same way as airdropping some aid into Gaza is. And just to put this in perspective, because I think this is really important. Before the war in Gaza broke out, before October 7th, there were 500 aid trucks entering Gaza every day. And that was with a somewhat functioning economy in Gaza. Now, I think every Palestinian has essentially lost their job and is now deplaced. So people don't have income coming in. And the number of Palestinians requiring aid has absolutely skyrocketed. And yet the number of truts entering Gaza per day in February was under 100. It was 90. And at some weeks, it was only 50

a day. Airdropping a load of aid into Gaza is equivalent to about two truts worth of aid. So it's completely insignificant. We're increasing the number of truts entering Gaza from equivalent to about two trucks worth of aid. So it's completely insignificant. You know, we're increasing the number of trucks entering Gaza from 50 to 52 with that airdrop. It's just symbolic to look like, hey, this is what the Americans are doing when we're going to ship Israel far more bombs than we ever get the Palestinians food. The Intercept reports on a horrible state of affairs where a young Palestinian man was captured, beaten up, taken to a hospital, dressed in a hazmat suit, and walked out of the hospital. Was instructed by his captors to tell others to walk out of the hospital and they'd be safe. They all did, and they were all slaughtered, slaughtered.

Netanyahu claims the Israeli army is close to the quote, the most moral army in the world. That quote does everything to avoid harming those not involved. Is there any, any, any moral argument to defend what the Israelis are doing? Oh, none whatsoever. And the atrocities and the slaughters are getting worse and worse.

Last week we had what is being called the Flower Massacre, where at least 100 Palestinians, most of whom were gunned down, killed by the Israelis as they were trying to get flour off of an aid truck in northern Gaza. Just absolutely the most desperate people on the face of the earth and firing on them. Unacceptable in any right. And the Israelis say, oh, well, the Palestinians were getting a little too close to our soldiers. So we opened fire on a couple of them. And then that caused a stampede. And so not our fault. Obviously, you know, this isn't the most moral army. Any video of the destruction of Gaza will tell anyone that. And yet maybe it's only Joe Biden that would believe that level of propaganda. But I have to believe that he actually, even in his somewhat functional mind, knows what's going on better than that. has Israel boycotted the hostage negotiations in Cairo? I mean, why do you boycott a negotiation? It's a negotiation. You just keep talking until you either reach a result or you can't get anywhere. Why are they boycotting? So the hostage negotiations are really

important for the propaganda from Washington's perspective, right? We veto all these resolutions at the UN Security Council saying we can't have a ceasefire. We can't demand Israel stop. We can't condemn Israel. And one of the reasons why is they say that that would get in the way of the hostage negotiations. And so we can't, we had to veto these UN Security Council resolutions. We can't put too much public pressure on Israel because they would back out of the hostage negotiations.

So this is a really powerful propaganda point for the White House that these hostage negotiations are going on. At the same time, Israel isn't willing to actually move forward and isn't interested in having their hostages released. They want the hostages in Gaza as a pretext to continue this military campaign. And so the Israelis keep putting forward more and more like kind of Roblox and poison pills and the tots. The latest one, judges, they say Hamas has to produce a full list of the hostages who are still alive and who's been killed of who's left in Gaza. This is

probably going to take Hamas quite some time to do. And even Israeli officials say this really isn't a big deal. But Netanyahu has used this as an excuse to break off talks. So just another meaningless barrier, but something to drag out the process longer and longer and give Israel more time to kill Palestinians in Gaza. How dangerous for the Democratic Party in the United States is the natural human empathy for the plight of the Gazans amongst people that normally vote for the Democrats? Like we saw in Michigan, they expected 10,000 people, Democrats, to say none of the above or are uncommitted, and they've got 100,000 to do so. It does seem like the number is growing.

We talked about earlier in the show the article that 70% of Democrats want a candidate that doesn't send military aid to Israel. 50% of Biden's 2020 voters, about 50% of Hispanics in the U.S., 50% of young Americans, 50% of people who identify as liberal have all said that Israel's commanding a genocide. We've seen pretty large protests in Washington, D.C. and the U.S. We've, of course, saw the very powerful protests by the young serviceman Aaron Bushnell. And so there does seem to be a lot of sympathy among Americans for the Palestinians, at least now what is happening in Gaza is so horrific and so hard not to set your eyes on. And so easy to understand that without American support, Israel wouldn't be able to do this. Where do you think young Americans your age are on aid to Ukraine? Do they know? Do they care? Unfortunately, it seems to me that most

are in support of it, that they've kind of taken the bait on this. A lot of young, a majority of younger Americans tend to be liberal. And of course, when you look at the liberal end of the political spectrum, they tend to be anti-Trump. And initially, the war in Ukraine was portrayed as the great Biden war of diplomacy against Trump allies like Vladimir Putin and the other evil autocrats of the world. And so I think a lot of people still buy into that propaganda line, but maybe it will change as it becomes more and more clear that this war has completely failed. Kyle Anselone from Antiwar.com, you do great work.

And thank you very much for sharing your knowledge about all this with us. Much appreciated. We look forward to seeing you next week. Thank you for having me back on the show, Judge. Always a good time. Of course. Coming up later today at 4.30, Eastern Scott Ritter, and at 5.15, Eastern Aaron Mate, Judge Napolitano for Judging Freedom. We'll see you next time. Resolve to earn your degree in the new year in the Bay with WGU.

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