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Thank you. Hi everyone, Judge Andrew Napolitano here for Judging Freedom.
Today is Monday, November 4th, 2024.
Larry Johnson is here with us on, does the New York Times now finally acknowledge Ukraine is on the ropes?
And is Prime Minister Netanyahu leaking classified documents to make himself look good?
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Larry, welcome here, my dear friend. A lot to talk about both Israel and Ukraine. Let's start
with Ukraine because you did a lot of research over the weekend, which you published at your that your uh website website sonar 21 and which i commend people to read um why is the new york
times suddenly and in your view articulating what we've been saying all along uh that ukraine is on
the ropes well the proverbial fat lady is singing and they know that the end is near uh but but they haven't dismissed all the
all the narratives you know from from the very outset you know we were told that the russian
army was incapable it was incompetent that the russian defense industry was shoddy uh that they
were having to rely upon refrigerators and household appliances to steal chips from them to use for military uses,
that the Russian army was poorly trained, poorly led, that they're running out of missiles,
that they were suffering catastrophic casualties.
You know, this is this whole litany.
And meanwhile, Ukraine is doing great.
Ukraine is building up, they're conquering
territory, they're moving the Russians backwards. Okay. Well, all of that is, to put it bluntly,
crap. It's not true. Never has been true. But now it's becoming so obvious that there is genuine fear in Washington and in Europe that
Ukraine is going to lose and could lose before the end of the year.
I mean that their ability to continue to fight would just evaporate.
And so finally, at least the New York Times admitted, okay, yeah, the intelligence folks
are saying it's no longer a stalemate. But they did make some other startling admissions.
That they conceded that the intelligence community assessed, you know, which means they guessed.
But they assessed as of last July that Russia was not going to do anything and wouldn't be able to make much progress.
Boy, was that a wrong
prediction. And, you know, there are some of us, you know, myself, Ray McGovern, Scott Ritter,
Danny Davis, others, Brian Berletic, a large number were saying, no, no, no, no, no, this is
going the opposite direction. And I laid it out very clearly in an article in early August. So you've
got this phenomenon where the New York Times is telling some truth, but they continue to tell some
lies. As an example in their piece, they insisted that Ukraine, since the start of the war in
February of 2022, has only suffered 57,000 000 dead they've had almost that many killed in the
last two months in kursk the the death toll there right now is 30 000 for the ukrainians but and
then they insist that russia has suffered twice as many casualties as uk Ukraine even though during this entire period of war Russia's firing eight to ten
times more shells at Ukraine as Ukraine is firing at Russia the math just doesn't work what what is
the uh more likely and more reasonable killed in action figure for ukraine it's probably close to a million wow i mean it's how could the
times be so far off unless this is just is this an intel mouthpiece i mean did somebody in the
cia leak this stuff to the times instead of the washington post well what the clearly the
intelligence method is methodology is this. Ukraine gives us information.
We take it and say,
okay, that sounds right,
and don't do any attempts to check it.
There are some independent sources out there.
What they're doing is they're looking at obituaries.
They're using overhead imagery of cemeteries and watching how they're growing,
doubling, tripling inside.
There was one about three months ago around Kharkov
where they noted that it added 30,000 graves around Kharkov
and just these two cemeteries in a period of one month.
So there are ways to come up with those numbers.
And you're not seeing...
Russians, yes, Russians have died in this war and it's probably
close to 80,000, but they're not dying in the numbers that the Ukrainians are. And part of the
reason you got so many Ukrainians dying is the troops are poorly trained. They show up not knowing
what to do and they do something stupid and get themselves killed. Is the United States continuing to give Ukraine what it needs?
I mean, because you point out they lack viable fixed-wing combat air capability.
They lack a stockpile of tanks, vehicles, artillery, and artillery shells.
They don't have secure facilities or bases on their own territory,
and they have to rely rely on uh nato uh owned
property what the heck do they have to fight with yeah well and the and the most important thing
they don't have is the manpower you know even the the the u.s uh material support has been
uh i would call it a symbolic gesture up to this point, particularly over the last six months.
But even if we could magically come up with, let's say, 50 new Abrams tanks, Australia reportedly is going to ship 50 tanks to Ukraine.
Who's going to drive them?
Who's going to operate them?
So you've got to have trained personnel. And the length of time required to train these folks is, you know,
minimum six months, if not longer.
And that's just getting them trained up in their individual skills.
We haven't even begun to discuss the how do you train units,
a battalion to operate within a brigade, and brigade, two brigades to operate within a division?
You know, how do they interact in the field?
How do they communicate?
How do they maneuver?
All of, you know, these are things that you just don't read a book and do overnight.
It requires some time and some actual practice.
And that's what Ukraine doesn't have.
They're out of time.
Is the Ukrainian government still kidnapping young men from bars?
Bars and everywhere.
There's a video that was just posted online today of some school kids
filming outside the second story of their building,
and they're watching police tackle a guy and then stuff him into the back of a car to go off to join.
You're in the Army now.
So, yeah, they're losing, on average,
about 30,000 people killed and wounded a month right now,
which is an enormous amount.
How could the times be so far off, Larry? 52,000 versus a million.
Because they're stenographers.
They're not reporters.
They're taking what is given to them.
They're not engaging in any kind of critical thinking.
And, you know, one of these days, this is going to get exposed for, you know, the lies that they told,
but there'll be no accountability.
I mean, look, think back.
Remember the war in Vietnam.
You and I are old enough.
We can remember that.
And that at the time,
the newspapers were filled with reports
of great American victories
and these rising Vietnamese,
Viet Cong body counts.
Oh boy, the light at the end of the tunnel. of a great American victories and these rising Vietnamese Vietcong body counts
and oh boy the the light at the end of the tunnel and we we all know now know
thanks to Daniel Ellsberg and others that that was as Ray is fond of saying
male bovine excrement hmm What is the story with
North Korean
troops fighting
with Russians and
Ukraine using
this as an excuse to establish
an alliance with South Korean
troops?
Well, number
one, the reports of a military relationship
between Russia and North Korea
is about as important as saying,
hey, judge, I got a newsflash for you.
Did you see that yellow ball of light
that came up out of the east?
I think that was the sun rising.
Okay, you know, look,
Russia and North Korea have had a military relationship for 74, 75 years.
The Russians flew planes on behalf of North Korea during the Korean War.
So the fact that there's been military exchanges and interactions, that's not news.
What's taking place is that Western intelligence, in my judgment,
has seized upon the fact that
they've had this longstanding relationship to try to manufacture a narrative that, oh my God,
the North Koreans are being brought in because the Russians are getting beat so badly. Okay.
Now, again, we know that is utter nonsense because if the Russians are getting beat that badly,
then why is the United States sounding the alarm,
oh my God, we've got to stop those Russians,
or they're going to take over Europe?
Well, if they're getting beat, how do they take over Europe?
Come on, can we have some logic in here somewhere,
for the love of God?
Right here.
Go ahead, go ahead.
Well, I was just going to say, so they've manufactured this.
It's part of a desperation play.
Yeah, I think Ukraine would love to get
the South Koreans in. I mean, my God,
they've already got French,
Poles, Germans,
Canadians, Americans,
Colombians. Why not
bring in South Korea? Make it a United
Nations failure.
Here's President Zelensky on Thursday of last week referring to Ukraine and South Korea as joint partners in cooperation.
Cut number one.
We agreed to strengthen the exchange of intelligence and expertise, to intensify contacts at all levels, including at the highest level,
to develop a strategy of action and a list of countermeasures in response to the escalation,
and to involve joint partners in cooperation.
As part of this agreement, Ukraine and the Republic of Korea will soon exchange delegations to coordinate action.
As part of this agreement, Ukraine and the Republic of Korea will soon exchange delegations to coordinate this action.
Is this an excuse to involve another country or is this hogwash?
No, it may very well be because Murat Karulin reported, and he's got great sources both within Russian military and Russian intelligence circles, that the play was to bring in South Korean pilots to fly the F-16s,
which the West had given to Ukraine,
but the Ukraine doesn't have pilots capable of flying them.
Even after more than a year of training,
the Ukrainians still can't get in the air.
So that very well could be.
Let's also recall that South Korea has been pretty involved with helping Ukraine,
particularly in providing 155-millimeter shells when the United States ran out and couldn't find any more.
So South Korea has been sort of a willing lackey of the United States in helping Ukraine for the last two years.
Let's switch over to Israel. Is there any evidence of a smashing
success on the part of the Israeli efforts to strike strategic targets in Tehran. No, and it's fascinating to put Israel and Ukraine side by
side, and we could have a gaslighting competition, you know, between the two of them. I mean,
it's phenomenal how the spin and the happy talk, and we're doing great, and we got a great victory,
and yet when you look at the actions, you look at what they're doing,
they don't match up.
So, if Israel had inflicted the kind of damage that it claims on Iran,
they'd be out there with a press conference showing the photos,
the movies, the overhead imagery, everything.
They'd be having the pilots up there giving them a pat on the back,
and they wouldn't be fretting or putting reports in the paper
that they expect another more devastating attack from Iran.
They'd go, whoa, whoa, wait a second.
You said you wiped them out because you wiped out their air defense,
and now they're
coming back at you boy how does that happen so yeah it is it's just lie built upon lie
because the the the zionists running this show uh are they are ideologically blinded
they cannot see and step back and look at objective fact.
Here's a clip from General Jack Keane.
Jack, of course, works for one of the Defense Department organizations
that purports to be some independent entity.
Yeah, ISW, the Kagan folks.
I didn't realize it was that bad.
But anyway, he's got a decidedly different view from you.
He's on Fox with my friend Brian Kilmeade.
This is just the general speaking, but take a listen to the last few words he uses.
Iran is sitting there essentially naked.
I mean, this is just unbelievable.
Cut number three.
Military effects of that strike is beyond what's being reported because they have literally taken down most of the Russian air defense system,
the so-called S-300 missile defense systems that the Russians gave them years ago.
And that's what's really protecting their nuclear enterprise, their oil and gas industry and other key strategic assets like the missile production factories
that the Israelis did destroy at multiple sites. Those are ballistic missile factories, by the way.
So yes, this air defense system destruction is really powerful because
Iran is sitting there essentially naked.
But what kind of sense does this make? Is he a willing dupe or is he incompetent? powerful because Iran is sitting there essentially naked.
But what kind of sense does this make?
Is he a willing dupe or is he incompetent?
Yes.
Does it have to be either or?
Yeah, no, he's both.
I mean, good Lord.
Again, just from the logic standpoint.
So they're sitting there naked.
What's Israel waiting for?
Take them out. I i mean that's what is
israel says that iran's the number one threat that they got to eliminate so what are we waiting for
take them out i mean it is that they're they're completely disarmed right so and and you watch
what it's happened like yeah we've defeated hamas. Really? 14 months later, Hamas continues to kill your soldiers.
Hey, we've got Hezbollah on the run.
And yet every day, Hezbollah is launching rockets, missiles into Israel,
not just northern Israel, but even going down into central Israel.
So all this happy talk about them being den denuded is is just it's false and part of the reason for this
is the west military equipment the west air defense systems they've been exposed as
in incompetent as ineffective and boy that's drying up cells for people like Lockheed Martin and Raytheon.
Right.
So what do you do?
That Russian stuff is crap.
It's no good.
We beat it.
No, they didn't.
The one battery they took out was a Hawk.
I believe it was a Hawk battery.
That thing's almost as old as I am, okay?
So that means it's old. Larry, is it fair to conclude that if the
Israeli fighter
jets could
not pierce
whatever defensive system
Iran has in place,
that the U.S.
cannot pierce it?
Correct. Oh, well,
no, we can get through it.
The question is, can we fly in it and fly back out and survive?
That's the question.
What I find stunning is we have now deployed reportedly 12 B-52s
that are, I guess, sitting at the Al-Udeid Air Force Base there in Qatar,
which is just across the Persian Gulf there from Iran.
What are we doing?
Are we putting out bait?
Because those planes can be easily destroyed by Iran.
They've got the missile rocket capability to do that.
It appears part of this is to be a show of strength while one of our aircraft carrier battle groups sells out of the Persian Gulf and is going to be replaced.
But it's not that its replacement is not on scene yet.
So I guess this is a temporary holding pattern.
But, you know, this notion that we can we can militarily defeat Iran, it's a delusion.
We do not have the ability to project and sustain force in a way that we could defeat Iran.
We simply can't do it.
But we keep telling ourselves we can't because we're the biggest, we're the best.
What is the latest information you have from your sources on this intel leak in Israel,
which has caused Israeli authorities to draw a circle around Prime Minister Netanyahu's office and accuse the the officer being the leaker well uh so shin bet who's sort of the israel's version of the fbi i've been
investigating leaks because they saw that there was classified information that was showing up
for example up in germany uh and build uh one of one of the newspapers and as a result of this
investigation they started making arrests one of the arrests was basically
a spokesman for Benjamin not not who would who had actually traveled to
Germany and is alleged to have leaked this information to the Germans now what
was the purpose of leaking this information the leaks were all designed to manipulate and manage
public opinion in israel i know i probably should have said judge sit down i don't want you to pass
out from the shock learning that politicians are going to use and misuse intelligence to manipulate
public opinion but by god that's exactly what they're doing. And now the reports are that it was not confined to just one bad apple,
one rogue elephant.
No, no, no, no.
There are others.
Another senior official has been arrested.
I don't have his name yet.
The first one arrested is named Feldstein.
And, you know, he was part of Netanyahu's inner circle.
And did all of these leaks, if accurate, if true, if real documents, make Netanyahu look good?
Well, not only to make Netanyahu look good, but also to sabotage any prospect of negotiations moving forward with Hamas and getting an actual release of those
hostages.
I think Netanyahu is worried that if he actually gets a negotiated release of those hostages
and an end to this fighting, he's in trouble.
He might actually have to face the prospect of going to jail.
You know, one of the judges in the case,
apparently there was an application for bail which was denied,
and the judge hearing the application,
who showed the evidence that Shin Bet has,
revered to it as a very damaging leak for Israeli national security.
Could you imagine the head of the government doing something like that and what
the consequences will be when he no longer is the head of the government? But Judge,
in defense of Bibi Netanyahu on this one, he's not the only president that's ever leaked sensitive
intelligence for political purposes. Gee, I think there's a guy named Joe Biden then there's a you know I think even Donald Trump did it and Barack Obama and
George W Bush and let's just go back the this is one of the powers that
presidents have now I don't know if in Israel it's the same as in the United
States where the power to classify declassify resides with the president.
But in this case, what Bibi was doing was deliberately leaking and having intelligence leaked on his behalf
in order to either sabotage a particular negotiating position or to portray him in a particular light that would be favorable and this is you know this
is all about politics and power this isn't about doing the right thing one of these leaks claims
to have retrieved documents from Sen wars laptop a person notoriously known for not using laptops, iPhones, or emails.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I mean, this fabrication of intelligence in order to feed a narrative,
to portray, you know, it's just, we've talked about this before,
but the fact that Hezbollah is routinely defined as this massive terrorist organization.
And yet, if you go to the Israeli Foreign Ministry's own site, where they list every
attack over the last 24 years, you quickly come to see that Hezbollah really has been,
they're fighting for national liberation liberation much the same way that our
forefathers fought to oust the Brits and to in a war of independence they're not
carrying out suicide bombings I was talking to my brother-in-law the other
day and he had to saw they do these suicide bombings all the time I said no
they don't go back and look when the last one was in fact I don't think
Hezbollah has ever been implicated
in a suicide bombing in the last 14 years.
So it's the kind of thing that we use this intelligence
to shape a narrative to get the people believing certain things
so that they will allow the government to act in ways
that really are not in the national security interests
of those countries, in particular in the case of Israel.
But might be in the best interest of the political longevity of the head of the government. Yeah, exactly right. I mean, what
Alistair Crook talked about this earlier today with you,
Israel and Netanyahu has got Israel now into
at least a forefront war, fighting
Hamas, fighting Hezbollah,
fighting the Houthis, and wanting to fight Iran.
There is no country in the world that's got the military resources
and strategic depth to carry out a forefront war, especially Israel.
But that's what they're trying to do.
Thank you very much for your time, Larry.
Fascinating, fascinating stuff on both Ukraine and on Israel.
All the best, my dear friend.
We'll see you at the end of the week.
All right, Judge, and thank you so much.
Sure.
And coming up tomorrow at 2 o'clock in the afternoon, Matt Ho,
at 3 o'clock in the afternoon Matt Ho At 3 o'clock in the afternoon Karen Kwiatkowski
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