Judging Freedom - Larry Johnson : How Trump Has Helped BRICS

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

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Call 800, 5114620, 8005114620 or go to Learjudgenap.com and tell them your friend the judge sent you. Larry Johnson, welcome here, my dear friend. Before we get to your great work on your Sonar 21, your analyses of the president helping bricks and helping the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and manifesting in ignorance of economics 101, before we get there, I want to ask a few questions about Ukraine. Do you think that the elites in Ukraine, the diplomats, the generals, the general, the senior government officials, even the ultra-nationalists know that their days are numbered and that the war can't go on much longer and Russia will soon triumph and achieve its military objectives? I think there are a few. Unfortunately, it's not the overwhelming majority. When we saw last week that the Ukrainians let the 18 to 21-year-olds leave the country, I interpreted that as that they were at least. least starting to acknowledge that the end game is afoot, and they wanted to get the sort of the

future of Ukraine out of harm's way. That was perhaps one of their considerations. But, you know, this is like a repeat of history when you go back and look at the end of World War II with respect to Germany. You know, it was clear eight months before that that Germany was defeated. But they didn't stop. And so all they succeeded in doing was getting more Germans killed. And in that case, more Russian troops killed as well. But the end game is here. It's just a matter of how quickly it's going to unfold.

Alistair, a crook is of the view that the ultra-nationalists are so, you know, we sometimes call them Bandaris, we sometimes call them neo-Nazis. you know, the mentality of the people of whom I speak, are so powerful, so ideologically driven that the rest of the elites are fearful to state the truth for fear of personal repercussions against them. Does that make sense to you? Oh, yeah. No, absolutely. This, you know, this emergence of, you know, we call it the neo-Nazis, whether it was the Azov, Italian right sector. They embraced an ideology that touted themselves as part of the Aryan race, a superior

race, and portrayed the Russians as inferior as Slavs. And, you know, within that, they'd also include Jews, except they brought in Velodemir Zelensky a Jew to, you know, head up their government. So, you know, there's not exactly intellectual consistency with these folks, but they are vicious. I remember seeing videos going back four years ago where they would come upon people that they considered undesirables on the street and just beat them senseless. And, you know, the police just stand by and watch it and do nothing. So, yeah, the physical intimidation factor is at work here. Do you think that these ultra-nationalists are rubbing their hands and ready to take over the government of what remains of Ukraine?

I mean, that's not going to please Moscow. Yeah, no, I think their game is to try to keep the money flowing as long as possible because they are enriching themselves in the process. But, you know, there's going to, Russia has clearly changed its modus operandi now. I mean, they've embarked on a new tactical approach with the hitting of these key factories. They're going after key logistics centers. And, you know, last week they launched a missile that landed very close. It was a precise hit on a military target, but it was close to the British embassy or British consulate. and just sending a message that if Britain, France, and Germany continue to try to

reinforce the war and keep it going, that they themselves could become targets. Were you switching gears, were you surprised that the State Department denied visas to all Palestinian officials preventing them from attending, I don't know how they can get away with this, preventing them from attending the UN General Assembly here in New York on October. Well, it's not just Palestinian officials. Anybody that's

carrying a Palestinian passport is now banned from coming to the United States. So this is shameful. This is further solidifies America's guilt as an

enabler of genocide. You know, this is reminiscent of the kind of thing that was actually done to Jews and the lead up to World War II, preventing them from entering certain countries. So now the United States is following in the long tradition of this kind of facilitation of genocide. You know, I mean, let's be honest. We did it to the Native Americans in this country. Right. It's turning, you're saying, okay, we can do it to these Palestinians because they're subhuman.

They're not real people. Chris, put up the B-roll that you have. This is the send-off of an armada of 50 ships, which includes a lot of Americans and a lot of Western media bringing medicine and food. to Gaza. Colonel McGregor has argued that in a real world, in a healthy world, these people would be protected by

the United States Navy, but don't expect it to happen to these people. No, no, the Navy's too tied up off the coast of Venezuela. Right, nicely fun. Yeah, yeah. No, we can't be concerned with protecting people because we're not

going to be the war department. We're going to go to war with people in hopes getting my Nobel Peace Prize says Donald Trump sorry I just you know this is getting more this is like a Monty Python skit on some sort of hallucinogenic drugs that just the the contradictory messages that Trump is sending but but again this flotilla to try to bring actual relief to the the people of Palestine it's going to be stopped by the Israeli Navy and they may even kill a few of them. But, you know, we were waiting for the other countries in the world to shut down trade economic commerce with Israel across the board. And I put on that to

BRICS countries. They too could do something and they're not doing anything. How important to U.S. markets are imports to the U.S. from India. Yeah, so if you heard Trump yesterday, oh, man, this India boy, we're such an important market for them. And I said, really? You know, I'm trying to think of all the Indian imports that I've ever had to consider buying. And so I looked it up. Roughly about 2.7% of Indian GDP, it's $131 billion of trade, which, you know, it sounds like a lot of money, except the Indian economy. is $4 trillion in size.

So in other words, $131 billion is sort of a rounding error. It's not essential. It's not critical compared to, you know, the import of Russian oil, diesel, gas, or at least the oil that's imported in India into diesel and gasoline. And the diesel runs the trucking industry in India. So, you know, what India is sitting and looking at is realizing, you know, if they got cut off from that cheap supply, the inexpensive supply of oil from Russia, it would be very damaging to their economy. You know, they can find other markets where the items that they're currently trading with the United States,

they can go elsewhere. They can make that up. Maybe not 100%, but it's not going to hurt them financially. And here's Donald Trump. You know, he apparently believes it. So either he's just flat out ignorant, ignoring what he's being told, or his aides, his assistants, they're lying to him.

They're not giving him the truth. Look, it didn't. It took me five minutes, ten minutes to figure this out. It took a little longer to write it up. But, you know, you would think that people at the, this policymaking level would say, okay, we have the leverage. For example, with Mexico and Canada, like in Canada's case, if we cut off trade with Canada, that that would hit a quarter, 25% of their gross domestic product.

That would see serious damage. In Mexico, it's an even higher number. So, yeah. We're just stop here. We're looking at President G, Prime Minister Modi, and President. to Putin as best buddies and they're in Shanghai literally as we speak this isn't live but it's just a few minutes old yeah well that that's actually from yesterday but you notice they're all laughing now this is where it gets great uh firstly a lot of memes have come out so one of them said man can you

believe how dumb trump was to impose those tariffs and they're laughing it up uh the other one was They're laughing and saying, Can you believe that Macron's married to a dude? So it's just, but here they are, the China and India, the two, the largest countries in terms of population in the world, with Putin,

who has the fourth largest economy. So there are three of the four largest economies in the world right there. And they are not yelling at it. at each other. They're not poking each other in the chest with a finger. They're laughing, they're smiling, and they recognize, we've got to cooperate. And that's, this is what was so powerful about this Shanghai cooperation organization. How has Trump's ignorance of economics 101 helped substantiate, solidify bricks? There's, there's President Prashean of Iran Right, correct.

How does it help solidify the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and solidify if Bricks Trump's rants and raves and rails against Bricks, I believe he's helping them out. Oh, yeah. No, this has, you know, two years ago, you could sit around and say that Bricks was still a nice idea, but in terms of execution, in terms of becoming really something that affected how trade and payments for goods that are traded. were made, you'd say there were still

a ways off. What has happened, both as a result of Joe Biden's policies, but now under Donald Trump, particularly with the tariffs. What's fascinating is when you look at the countries that have

dependence on the United States for trade, none of them are BRICS countries. None. The countries that are dependent on the United States for trade are you know, really, they're not consequential nations. So once you step back and realize now that the BRICS countries

and the distinguished between the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and BRICS, Shanghai Cooperation is basically China and Russia, along with the former republics of the Soviet Union, like Tajikistan, Kurdistan, Turkmenistan, and Belarus, So Kazakhstan, those are part of the SCO. And it was initially for a security arrangement in that part of the world. But now it's expanding. And the SCO part with my left hand and the BRICS part,

they are starting to merge and meld and come together. Because you notice at this conference, other countries were invited, including Iran, as you pointed out, with Pajeshkien standing there, Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan. I'm pretty sure I saw President Lula of Brazil there. No, Lula didn't make this one.

He was unable to get there. The ambassador for Brazil was sent. Okay. I saw the Brazilian flag and a gray-haired man, and I assumed that it was Lula, but Brazil was represented. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And so what we're seeing now with Bricks,

and one of the things that she announced is the establishment of a development bank. So a place where people can go get loans to do infrastructure projects in their countries. They no longer have to go hat and hand to beg the United States or IMF or World Bank for money. No, no, no, no. Now they're going to go to something where the U.S. has no control and no veto. You know, the other thing they're really looking at is that the entire what they call the Atlantic European power structure that has been sort of the center,

piece of international affairs since the end of World War II. And by that we mean at the United Nations, along with the United States, that England or the United Kingdom and France get a veto over U.N. Security Council decisions. Those two countries are no longer relevant. They shouldn't even have a seat at the table. They should get an occasional, you know, representation as their turn comes up. But they shouldn't be in a place they can veto anything. by contrast, India, with 1.4, 1.5 billion people and the third largest economy or second largest economy in the world.

So, yeah, they should be at the table. Right. You have addressed the UN Security Council. Are the members treated equally or do the five permanent members lord it over the others? Well, they tend to lord it over the others, or at least some do. The French representative was particularly obnoxious and disdainful of everybody else. Live down to every French stereotype, every negative French stereotype you've ever heard of. Tell me a little bit more about Bricks.

Do they need Swift anymore? Do they need the Western bank clearing system? No. Do they need to trade in dollars anymore? I mean, if the answer to both questions is no, and I think it is, you can explain in a minute. These are devastating blows to what Trump has been claiming he's going to establish, which is U.S. financial hegemony. Yeah, you know, when we start talking about international financial transactions, people's eyes tend to allow this over. So let's, you know, we'll just make it simple.

It's like, okay, you've got a Harley Davidson motorcycle. You no longer want to ride it. you're going to and i want to buy it so the way we do it in the states is i either i wire you money send you money through zell i say send you a check or i send you cash okay so brazil and china china now wants to buy all of brazil's coffee beans now in the past when brazil wanted when china wanted to do that did have to go to a bank and tell their bank okay go out and buy you know let's say it's going to be $4 million for the coffee beans. They'd have to go out and convert the Chinese currency.

Today Summit and the Chinese port into dollars. And so those dollars would be purchased. And then that money would be wired usually. And when it was wired, it was sent bank to bank. And the one bank sends another bank in email. That was Swift. Swift is simply an email system. And the bank of China would say,

to the Bank of Brazil. Yes, we're sending you $4 million U.S. dollars. It's coming out of this account. It's going into this account at your bank and it's on such and such state. Now, you know, all that information. That was old.

Now what's happening is China and Brazil are exchanging their currencies direct. They're not having to go buy dollars. Now, this is a subtle change. It's not a dramatic break yet. But what it means is that the demand for U.S. dollars is sort of the lubricant for international trade. That's going away. And so you've now got China and Brazil doing that.

You've got India and Russia doing that. You've got India and Brazil doing it. So they're all now starting to trade in each other's currencies. They're no longer having to go out and see money on the U.S. dollars in the international financial market. And they're certainly not using Swift anymore. How does the removal of U.S. dollars from these massive international trades harm the U.S. economy or the U.S. dollar? So when you've got a big supply of dollars and low demand for it, the price goes down. So, you know, it's a double-edged sword.

Yeah, we've got, if the U.S. dollar is at a low price, that means anybody that's producing something in the United States, is sold overseas, it means your product's much cheaper for the foreigner to buy. So they'll buy more of it, which may actually help your industry. So, you know, let's look, California wines right now. I bet you Europeans are buying those things upright and left or some of the other countries with the inexpensive dollar. On the other hand, if we're having to buy anything from overseas, that means that price is going up.

It's getting more expensive. So this lower, weaker dollar can actually fuel inflation and kick it off at quite a high rate. In the worst cases, you know, we saw it in the Weimar Republic in the 1920s. I saw it firsthand in Argentina in 1984 where you got so much currency circulating, not enough demand for that. The demand was for dollars that inflation kicked off in Argentina back then. It was a thousand percent annual inflation. Wow. Just unbelievable.

Wow. Larry, thank you very much. I appreciate you letting me take you to these economic areas. But I encourage everybody to read Sonar 21 because Larry does a lot of research and he reproduces the results of the research late at night, East Coast time. And it's always there for your first thing in the morning, which is when I see it. Thank you, Larry. We'll see you Friday with McGovern as long as he's not in jail. I'm only kidding. He had a little running with a U.S. Senator, but they ended up shaking hands. That rebel rouser of Ray. You've got to love him. Thank you, Larry. All the best, my friend.

All right. Thanks, Judge. Thank you. And coming up at 1.30 this afternoon, Professor Jeffrey Sachs, and at 3 o'clock, Scott Ritter, Judge Napolitano for judging freedom. Thank you. Thank you.