Judging Freedom - Larry Johnson: Should Trump Abolish the FBI, CIA, and NSA?

Episode Date: January 6, 2025

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Thank you. Hi, everyone. Judge Andrew Napolitano here for Judging Freedom. Today is Monday, January 6, 2024. Larry Johnson will be here in just a moment. It's the time to abolish the FBI, the CIA, and the NSA. But first this. We're taught to work hard for 35 to 40 years. Save your money, then live off your savings. Unfortunately, there are too many threats undermining the value of our hard-earned dollars. The Fed's massive money printing machine is shrinking your dollar's value. Just the cost of groceries is absurd. Let me be brutally honest. I think the dollar is on its way to being extinct, not just here, but globally. The BRICS nations, led by Russia and China, threaten to remove the dollar as the world's reserve currency. Central banks have been shifting away

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Immerse yourself in knowledge and information. The writing is on the wall. Now is the time to consider shifting some of your dollars into gold and silver as your bedrock financial asset. Call my friends at Lear Capital, the leader in precious metals investing for over 27 years. They help me diversify into gold and silver. They can help you too. Call Lear today at 800-511-4620, 800-511-4620, or go to learjudgenap.com. Larry Johnson, welcome here, my dear friend. You have written extensively on the FBI dropping the ball in a number of instances, the most recent of which has to do, it's rather startling, with the so-called suicide and explosion of a vehicle outside of the Trump International Hotel and Tower in Las Vegas, Nevada.

What are the anomalies there? And what kind of nonsense does the FBI want us to believe? Well, I wouldn't even characterize it. I did use the word anomaly in one of my pieces. But the reality is the FBI is lying, bald lying bald face lying about how this individual died they claim and they said oh it's backed up by a corner that the individual shot himself with a with a desert eagle desert eagle shoots a 50 caliber bullet it's a big bullet you know it's a that bullet is about the the size of my middle finger,

and it's literally about that long, okay? It has enormous force. Anybody that's ever shot one of those handguns, it has an enormous recoil. So if you're trying to shoot, and they claim that this guy shot himself in the left side of the head, which means the gun should have fallen to the side, but they said they found it on the front seat, you know, on the front floor. That doesn't make sense, number one. But number two, we have the actual video.

In the video, when you go frame by frame, you can see the moment that the explosion starts. And we're told that he died before the car exploded but you can see very clearly in the video the individual in the driver's seat and i refer to the individual because i'm not certain it was tim this matthew livelsberger who they claim it was you see this individual sitting upright head is. You would see the gun in the left hand. You don't see the gun in the left hand. You would see the explosion. A big fireball comes out the end of that gun when it's fired. You don't see a fireball. You don't see a

flash of light. What you see is the individual sitting there and then this explosion starts from down below. Now, some people said, well, he could have exploded the car by shooting the firearm into the battery. Except that's not the FBI story. The FBI story is he shot and killed himself. Then the vehicle detonated. There's something really, really wrong with this story. Why is the FBI lying about it? The other dimension is this Leibelsberger,

he was 18 years in Special Forces, as literally as in part a Green Beret. And his duty assignment, the DOD confirmed this, I saw last night, per Jack Posobiak, that he was assigned to the barracks in Panzerkasserne. Panzerkasserne is a base southwest of Stuttgart, about 10 miles outside of Stuttgart. But it's not a base where you've got a bunch of soldiers housed in barracks

and they get out and drill every morning and march around and do their training it's just it's an admin post and his real assignment was with a european special operations command ucom or usac and uh usac most likely assignment inside inside not outside, inside Ukraine, working with CIA. He was working on drones. So this Leibelsberger then all of a sudden comes back to the United States. And what's fascinating is there are a bunch of emails and manifestos released that are ostensibly tied to him, except some AI analysis of those materials suggests they're written by two different people, number one.

And number two, some of the information that's contained in there, just, you know, for example, he wrote in this one, allegedly wrote in this one email, yeah, I'm headed to Mexico. Well, the next thing you know, he shows up. He's in Las Vegas. That's not Mexico. He's in las vegas that's not mexico he's in las vegas uh so what what what do you think is going on here i don't know it is it's a i i would say it's a there's some sort of uh psychological operation underway it makes it makes no sense. Did he have knowledge or did he express opinions about the drones that have been all over New Jersey in the past month? Yeah, that was contained

in this message. And he also in that message indicated that they were Chinese drones. And that's what I'm saying. this may be part of a psychological operation, a message designed to create some anti-Chinese animus, because he talked about anti-gravitational propulsion systems. Now, some could say, well, he was Green Beret. He wouldn't necessarily have access uh to the that kind of you know to the what they call the unidentified aerial phenomena the uaps used to be called ufos however there are my understanding is there are special operations

teams and a green beret could be part of that that if there is a suspected uap that's fallen to the ground and needs to be recovered that you would have a special military unit go out and do that recovery and those people involved in such recovery operations would have special access program aka sap clearances so it's possible he was involved with that. We don't know. The one email message sent out claimed that he held TSSCI unacknowledged special access program clearance for the unidentified aerial phenomena. Maybe true, maybe not not that's why I said there's there is so much misinformation and look the FBI the initially that came out the report from the government this wasn't a report from social media government said oh yeah his we tested his DNA and the DNA

didn't match his son and therefore he was upset that his wife had slept around. Well, wait a second. By virtue of his position as a Green Beret, the Army already has his DNA. Because, you know, if he gets blown up on the battlefield, they want to make sure that the pieces they recover belong to him. So why do they need to check his son's DNA to find out if it's him? Find out. Check your own damn DNA base and say, yeah, it's him or it's not him. Was somebody else killed in that car and not this fellow? We don't know. We don't know. And so you got to ask yourself, why is the government creating such

confusion around this? And confusion around the fellow in New Orleans. One of the things they come up with is that, oh, they were all at Fort Bragg, but it doesn't necessarily mean they were all at Fort Bragg at the same time. Hell, I was at Fort Bragg while some of them were there probably because it's a big base. And the Green Beret, that's where they're trained and qualified that's where they go through their qualification course on fort bragg and they conduct their final exercise there

whereas this guy jabbar he was an admin moini uh you know no disrespect to people just do admin in the military but he was not a fighter. And yet, when you get down and start looking at all the details about these events, it's Jabbar who has zero experience building explosives, builds two improvised explosive devices that have sophisticated remote detonation capabilities. And the 18-year military vet who's actually been trained to build sophisticated explosives has a clown car arrangement of fuel cans and fireworks in the back of his the suss Tesla cyber truck very very very odd so have you odd. So... Have you seen the video of Jabbar

taken from the Apple glasses that he had showing him scoping out Bourbon Street? Yeah, well, just ask yourself. You and I know the government had that video at the time he made it, because everything

you do and say and communicate via your mobile devices, the government has. Well, yeah, they haven't. Buying but not putting anything it captures to any good use to keep people safe. It doesn't really guarantee necessarily that although it had been collected, that they would have been able to recognize it

or identify it as an immediate threat. But ask yourself this question. This guy was in financial straits difficult straits he was not making tons of money he didn't have a steady job how does he for afford a two thousand dollar pair of glasses okay these you know these are not your fifty dollar buys uh bifocals that you pick up at the Kmart or Walmart. The implication that I'm hearing from you is that Jabbar had help, and Leibelsberger may not be the person who died in that car. Or if he did, he was murdered. He didn't kill himself. Those are all possibilities. Because I can say honestly, I don't know. What I do know

is we're looking at all of these unusual red flags that an irrefutable evidence that that's not true so why are they lying about that it's not not that oh we our investigators made a mistake no no come on and then the the other thing is the id documents. I mean, this was a raging conflagration inside that car. Yet, miraculously, the passport and the ID card survive. His body's burned beyond recognition, but everything else is, oh, hey, it's readable. We can see who it was. So and part of what the message released in those manifestos are about how the Chinese are a threat. And the messages released that Jabbar is these Muslims are a threat.

We've got to watch out for those Muslims. And at the same time, Judge, two weeks ago, the State Department, my old office, who had issued a $10 million bounty on the former senior commander of ISIS that had connections with al-Qaeda, which were claiming that, you know, this guy swore allegiance to ISIS. Yeah, that's al-Jilani. And we're now taking the $10 million bounty off his head, dressing him up in a suit.

You know, I've said it's like, I don't know if you ever watched that television show. I actually did. I admit it. Queer Eye for the straight guy, you know, four gay guys who'd go in and fix up some heterosexual schlub, you know, actually make him presentable.

That's what we've done with Jelani in Syria. All of a sudden he's wearing a beard and he looked very dignified and, you sudden, he's wearing a beard, and he's looked very dignified, and he's not chopping heads off anymore. So you've got to say, what's going on here? Because we've got the CIA on one hand playing

buddy-buddy with ISIS, and then on the other hand, oh, it's ISIS! We've got to be afraid! They're killing us all! And we're being told the message out there. We got a thousand undercover ISIS operatives in this country ready to launch terrorist attacks. Well, maybe we do. Maybe we don't.

But what I see is a lot of media manipulation going on. Chinese, ISIS, Chinese, ISIS. And yet the government then turns around and lies about critical aspects of this. Or they cover up information. The guy that tried to kill Trump at West Palm, you know, Ryan Routh, he reportedly, and I see, I do have a definitive number on this, at least 20 visits to Fort Bragg over the last 20 years and or over 140 visits. Judge, I spent, I was on Fort Bragg probably between 1994 and 2016, you know, four times a year at least.

So, you know, well over 100 times. After 9-11, the only way you could get on that base is you had to have a military ID or you had to have a contractor's badge that you were cleared on to it. Anybody else had to go through a long line and be vetted, etc. And you had to be able to explain why were you going on to the base? You couldn't just show up and say, I want to look around, see what's up. So what was he doing there that many times? All covered up. Pay no attention to that man over there. I'm just simply saying that the government's lying

about a lot of things or not coming clean with this information. And we need to know why do we need the fbi uh not in its current form uh you know i've talked to uh what you know i've got i've got real good real good friends because i used to work closely with the fbi um they say They say the problem started really with 9-11, where the FBI shifted from being an organization that was supposed to be investigating criminal activity. And look, everybody said, oh, wait a second. They were corrupt back in the 60s when J. Edgar Hoover was using them to go after Martin Luther King and others. Yes, I admit that. But really, you can make the case the 70s, 80s, into the 90s,

they were at least focused upon trying to do legitimate investigations without worrying about politics. After 9-11, they became a political outfit, and they have been conducting themselves like the Stasi, like the German secret police in the bad old days of East

Germany. I can tell you from my end of things that you've probably heard me say this before, Larry, to you personally, as well as on air, that since 9-11, a whole generation of federal agents has come of age, basically trained to forget about the Fourth Amendment. Gather the evidence first. Let the prosecutors worry about the lawfulness of the gathering, even though these people have all taken the same oath you took and I took to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. Is it feasible that we could expect that Trump would do away with the operations department of the CIA? Fancy word for the people that murder, kill, torture, conduct coup d'etats,

and wage private secret wars. Well, it needs to happen, but it's unlikely to happen. John Radcliffe is CIA director. What needs to happen is they're going to come in and say, OK, the entire covert action arm of the U.S. government, we're putting a stop to that. That stops now. We're going to stop the color revolutions. We're going to stop paying people to go out and try to overthrow other governments. We're going to stop funneling money to all these non-governmental organizations that are taking and paying people to go to the streets to protest in places

like Georgia and Romania. We're going to focus on developing foreign intelligence assets, people who spy for us, people who betray their countries, but give us information about what their leadership, what their military is thinking, doing and planning. We want information. We're not going to become the political actors that, you know, that's my ideal world. Now, that's not going to happen, Judge.

It should. But and that's that's where the really the CIA has gone astray i recommend all of your listeners if they haven't read the book by tim weiner called legacy of ashes that they do so because he details just sort of one botched covert action after another and it's been it's been going on since 1947 since since the inception of the CIA and just before. The NSA is in the Defense Department. It's about 10% military and about 90% civilian. You and I, from work we've done elsewhere, are quite familiar with it. Because it's in the Defense Department, it works for the president. He could stop it with a phone call.

They capture every keystroke on every mobile device, desktop, laptop, mainframe in the country. Donald Trump himself was personally victimized by this. Right. By the NSA and the CIA and the FBI before he was president and while he was president correct what are the chances that he shuts this down well there's there are ways that that is supposed that the nsa is supposed to operate and then as was was exposed by edward snowden uh initially uh where he said hey it's it's unfettered spying on all Americans. 9-11 was used as the excuse to justify this encroachment

on the Fourth Amendment in particular and the Constitution in general, that to justify the government coming in and invading everybody's privacy. And we always use these, that's where these terrorist attacks that you could almost say sometimes are allowed to happen or happen in order to justify. See, see, if we only had more opportunity to invade your privacy, this wouldn't happen. But it does happen, even though they have all of this uh capability and so uh it becomes it becomes an excuse to abuse the constitution uh i i believe look i'm a firm believer in uh that the admission of the nsa let's collect intelligence but as we saw what happened

in the case of donald, a very simple example, the British identified George Papadopoulos, if anybody remembers his name, he was initially one of the Trump advisors on oil and energy policy, a young guy with really little experience, but he made the mistake of placing a phone call from London to Corey Lewandowski back in the United States.

I don't know if Lewandowski was in Washington, D.C. or New Hampshire. And that phone call was intercepted by British GCHQ. British GCHQ passes that to the NSA. NSA passes that the CIA? And then CIA, working with British intelligence, comes up with a plan to entrap Papadopoulos and use him ultimately as one of the linchpins or predicates to launch the Russiagate investigation against Donald Trump. So this was an organized effort that used both signals intelligence as well as human intelligence elements. It used all elements of the intelligence community to go after Donald Trump. And for one purpose, to try to destroy the presidency of Donald Trump.

Fascinating stuff, Larry. You are courageous to articulate it and dogged to do all of this research. Thank you for bringing it to us. There will probably be more for you to tell us about between now and the Intelligence Community Roundtable on Friday. Yeah, I don't think you're a great fortune teller. I think you're just a good reader of facts. Thank you, my man. We'll see you then. All the best. All right, Judge. Thank you, sir. Sure. Coming up at 12 noon today, Scott Ritter, and at 4.15 this afternoon on our problems in the economy and with government spending more money than it takes in, Kevin DeMeritt. Judge Napolitano for Judging Freedom. Thank you.