Judging Freedom - Larry Johnson : Trump and China.

Episode Date: October 13, 2025

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Deja vu all over again. You know, let's recall back in January 15th, there was a ceasefire declared and it was credited to who? Donald John Trump, that, oh, man, this is amazing. Look, Trump's broker to ceasefire. And it led to hostage release and prisoners. release and we saw the same kind of pictures we're seeing today all the joy and the happy reunions and it's terrific and then uh Israel started violating that ceasefire and Hamas said well then we're not releasing any more of the prisoners at the prisoners that are released today

I think they were all former you know they were all Israeli military uh who had served who were active duty soldiers so I really don't I don't put them in the same category as They are prisoners of war because war uniforms carry guns. Sorry, you know, that's a fair fight. Grabbing a civilian is a whole different matter. So we're left in the same position that you've got all these poorly defined future steps. Is Hamas going to disarm? I don't think so.

And it's not just Hamas. Again, the entire Western narrative, this is theater. They fail to understand that there are 14 different Palestinian groups. Hamas clearly is the largest and most influential. But you have Palestinian Islamic jihad. You have the popular front for the liberation of Palestine, the PFLP, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine. There's even Abu Nidal.

So each of those groups have some military capability as well. And so coming up with a comprehensive solution, that includes the Palestinians. But it's like, you know, we're going to see this Kabuki theater in a little bit at the Charmel Sheikh Peace Summit, except my understanding is Netanyahu's not going to be there. Hamas isn't going to be there. So the people who are actually engaged in the fighting, they're not at that discussion. And so that's like, you know, that's like you trying to broker, you know, you've got a couple that wants a divorce.

And, but you're going to meet with all of their friends and neighbors, but you're not going to meet with them. You know, you're going to have no influence on that process. Wow. I want you to take a look at the release of one of them who actually kissed his Hamas protectors. Max Blumenthal arguing that these Hamas fighters are probably the people that saved this guy's life from Israeli attacks. Watch that. year 49 yes we continue with you a total of 24 prisoners have been successfully handed over and importantly they all remain alive and well one prisoner remains bringing the total to 25 it is expected

that the process of handing over the bodies of four Israelis will also be completed in the coming days this clip is being banned by the IDF they don't want the Israeli public to see this Well, let's remember early on within the first eight months, you know, following the October 7th raid by Hamas, you had three Israeli soldiers who had been captured, who got free, who came out waving white shirts, trying to get over to the Israeli lines. And the Israelis killed them, shot them. They were unarmed. They posed no threat. So again, you find that despite the efforts of the West to portray Hamas, these great beasts, these awful terrorists, these people that behead children, those are all Zionist lies. It was just the opposite. You find that these Palestinians exhibit a level of professionalism that is frankly not found among the Israelis. And I tell you, this goes back, so, you know, 35 years ago when I was the,

deputy director over the anti-terrorism assistance training program. One of the, we were providing training at that time to both Israeli police as well as to Palestinian police. And our trainers would always come back and comment that the Israelis were a clown show, but that the Palestinians were highly professional, they paid attention and demonstrated a level skill. And it looks like that hasn't changed over the years. Wow. So Netanyahu is claiming this is a great victory for the Israeli public. He has yet to defeat the Palestinians. He has severely damaged Israel politically, culturally, economically,

diplomatically. And now the whole world, even the United States public, questions. the moral basis for the Zionist apartheid state. How the hell can he claim this is a victory? Probably the same way Custer could claim that he won that last stand, okay? You know,

this is perhaps a classic example of a Pyrrhic victory. The fact that after two years, Israel, with every military advantage, was unable not only to defeat Hamas,

and to eliminate them as a military threat, but was unable to rescue the hostages. And, you know, frankly, they had an entire area surrounded, both from the sea and from land. I mean, Hamas was in a position where they were not, they didn't have ready access to supplies, for God's sake. And yet, they persisted. How did they get weapons?

How did they get rounds of ammunition? Yeah, I don't know if it was stockpiled in advance or, you know, I'm sure they had some smuggling networks. And, you know, there were tunnels, I'm sure, that go under, they go from Egypt into Gaza. And that may have been one of the access points. But, I mean, it just, again, it illustrates that after two years, Israel could not defeat Hamas, just like, you know, the United States couldn't defeat the Houthis.

Right, right. But it's the same kind of thing. You remember Donald Trump claim, okay, they capitulated, we win, we're going home. That's what Netanyahu's doing right now. But I don't think they have any, that Netanyahu and crowd have any intent whatsoever to put away their bombs and to stop killing Palestinian women and children. That's going to renew. I've been playing this all morning, but it's priceless.

Here's one war criminal asking a second war criminal publicly to pardon a third war criminal. Chris, cut number 12. Hey, I have an idea. Mr. President, why don't you give him a pardon? Come on. By the way, that was not in the speeches, you probably know. But I happen to like this gentleman right over here, and it just seems to make so much sense.

You know, whether we like it or not, this has been one of the greatest wartime presidents. This has been one of the greatest, wartime presidents, and cigars and champagne, who the hell cares about? Well, it's $139,000

worth of cigars and Champaign's wife has already pleaded guilty to it. And of course, Netanyahu is not the president. He's the prime minister, the person from whom Trump was asking the pardon is the president of Israel. Right. Herzog. This is

comedic. It's comical. Well, it's, you know, it's just a reminder that Donald Trump does not believe in rule of law. He believes in the rule of cronies, cronies, friends, and family. And that, you know, that's sort of how organized crime operates. It's really sad that, you know, Netanyahu has committed horrendous crimes against the Palestinian people and aided and abetted by Donald Trump. And so it's just, it's a stain on America. Here's, one, it's not we're going to easily erase. Here's Trump confirming that he was an active partner in that.

We have to do what we have to do. We make the best weapons in the world that we've got a lot of them. And we've given a lot to Israel, frankly. And, I mean, BB would call me so many times. Can you get me this weapon, that weapon, that weapon, And some of them I never heard of, Baby, and I made them. But we'd get them here, wouldn't we? And they are the best.

They are the best. But you used them well. It also takes people that know how to use them. And you obviously used them very well. Could a human being, the head of the United States federal government, praise the use of American weapons to put bullets into the heads of Palestinian babies. Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, this is you know, America. America is a

collaborator in genocide, unfortunately. We've aided and abetted this action. And, you know, look, I wish that what we were looking at was a genuine peace process that this would bring an end to the fighting between the Palestinians and the Zionists. But the Zionists are not going to give up. The Zionists do have no room to allow the Palestinians to exist anywhere in what they are calling Judea,

the Zionists who refer to as Judea and Samaria. So this is, the fighting will renew. Even while they're releasing all these hostages, you still got Israeli military operations taking place, or at least overseeing settlers in the West Bank. and settlers who are attacking Palestinians, destroying their properties, destroying their homes, killing them at times, ripping up olive trees. That's still going on. So until you get a actual rule of law where Israel will keep its damn hands to itself, this will continue.

I got to show you one more. This is Trump praising the Mossad's wealthiest assets. cut number 11. She got 60 billion in the bank, 60 billion. And she loves, and she, I think she said no more, and she loves Israel, but she loves it, and they would come in, and her husband was a very aggressive man, but I loved them. It was a very aggressive, very supportive of me,

and he'd call up, can I come over and see you? I say, Sheldon, I'm the president of the United States. It doesn't work that way. come in. But they were very responsible for so much, including getting me thinking about Golan Heights, which is probably one of the greatest things to ever happen. Miriam, stand up, please. She really is. I mean, she loves this country. She loves this country. Her and her husband, so incredible we miss him so dearly but i actually asked i've got to get her in trouble with

this but i actually asked her once i said so miriam i know you love israel what do you love more the united states or israel she refused to answer that means that might mean israel i must say how can that possibly be something to uh boast about yeah well this is this is why trump's base is so damaged right now with abandoning America first, putting Israel first. Israel first and foremost over all things American. And that is what, you know, frankly, Charlie Kirk came to that realization. And there certainly is a lot of circumstantial evidence to suggest that the Zionist had a strong motive to see Charlie Kirk's life ended. You know, that's not, that's not fantasy, the fact that Charlie Kirk announced two days before he was murdered, that the pro-Israel

position of Turning Point USA was over. And then Candice Owens claims that she's got actual text messages from the following day where Charlie was expressing concern that he was going to be killed. So, and yet here's shameful, shameful performance by Donald Trump to stand before this this Israeli legislative body and just suck up to him. But, you know, he knows where the money comes from. That's who owns him. Yeah, and I don't know if you notice this,

and we won't play it again, but seated right in front of her, and looking at her admiringly and fawningly, was the person that Max Blumenthal calls Mossad's copy boy Mossad's stenographer he happens to be the head of the CIA

Oh, was John Ratcliffe there? Yes, right there right in front of her looking up like he was admiring her as Trump is admiring a human being who is prepared to reject her own country for a criminal apartheid regime with no moral basis.

Yeah. Well, it's just, you know, I give them credit, at least they, you know, they understand what it means to be loyal and loyal to a cause. But, you know, that's not, that's what, you know, if you're an American citizen, support America first.

You know, you don't, you don't put the, the interest of the other country above your own. How damaging to the American economy has Trump's threats to impose a 100% tariff on everything coming here from China been? Yeah, well, it's in terms of the actual effect on the economy, I don't think it's going to be that great as far as it's not like the volume of trade is that significant to either economy.

However, the items that are in dispute, the items that China produces, that we need are significantly beyond anything that the United States produces that China needs. Up until this year, maybe going back last year, two years ago, China was dependent on the United States for exports from the U.S. of helium, of all things. Helium played an important role in the Chinese industrial process. Chinese realized then, you know, hey, we got we got to break free of this dependence. on the United States. And so apparently this year, they're now down to only about 5% reliant on the United States for that helium.

That's one of the reasons China is now playing its rare earth card, its magnet card, its pharmaceutical card, because the United States absolutely needs those without those key sectors of the defense industry and some in the automobile industry. will not be able to operate. They will have to shut down or they'll be significantly delayed. So Trump is, he keeps saying he's got, he's got some other cards to play. Like, oh, we're going to start sending, stop sending Boeing airplane parts to China because they've got all these Boeing airplanes.

What do you think China's going to do? China is then going to find out, oh, gee, gee, Airbus. They can buy French airplanes and just, This last week, the Russians previewed or revealed their first domestically produced commercial jetliner that is equivalent to the 737. It is made entirely of technology and parts from Russia, not a single foreign component. Gee, do you think it's at all possible that Russia and China can collaborate where Russia would share that technology with the Chinese? and the Chinese just might happen to have an industrial capability to produce those in-mass, and all of a sudden now, here's Trump saying,

oh, please buy our Boeing aircraft, which actually have a pretty crappy safety record to boot. So, I mean, this is, it's Trump not thinking these things through. I'm really sort of surprised that he's this reckless. Is it not true that north of 95, percent of all American antibiotics contain raw minerals from China? Yeah, from China. And those antibiotics are produced both, I think, in China and India. Right.

So Trump is going to double the price of antibiotics that everybody needs? Yeah. Yeah, this is, we saw this last week that John Deere, they're not producing antibiotics, but they build tractors. And they actually don't build. They assemble them. And they assemble them using parks that are produced in places like China, Mexico, India. But all those parts have now been tariffed.

They're more expensive. John Dears had to raise the prices of tractors. And guess what? They've laid off over 300 workers just last week. Because they don't have the sales to keep those people fully employed. So, yeah, this has an effect, a negative effect on the American public. And we'll see it showing up in places like Walmart and Costco. Wow.

Where people who usually count their nickels shop. Yes. So a toaster instead of costing your $25 will cost $30 or $33. Right. By the way, a tariff is a tax to cost. Congress and act these taxes, Larry? Yeah, no, and that's one of the issues that's before the courts, as that they can decree that, hey, and they're actually,

I think they already have in a couple of cases that, no, this is Trump acting outside of his authority. So, you know, the tariff, the whole tariff gambit is proven to be ineffective. Remember, in February, Trump was bragging that all these countries were lining up, and I'm quoting him, to kiss his ass, end quote. Well, I haven't seen a lot of derrier kissing going on. No, take a look at his former friend, Prime Minister Modi, now a mainstay of the Shanghai organization and of Bricks, mainstay.

In fact, he's buying Modi, they're now buying Russian oil using Chinese currency, so they're not even going into the international currency markets to pick up U.S. dollars to make that transaction. So now here you've got at least one area. Now it's not massive, but it's a significant move that no longer is the U.S. dollar going to be king. Wow. Larry Johnson, thank you, my dear friend. A busy day here, and I appreciate your accommodating my schedule. We'll look forward to seeing you again soon. All righty. Thank you, Judge. Sure. All the best. And coming up, Still to come at 1 o'clock, Scott Ritter at 3.30, Colonel Douglas McGregor at 415, Professor Jeffrey Sachs. Judge Napolitano for Judging Freedom.

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