Judging Freedom - Max Blumenthal : Charlie Kirk and Zionist Billionaires.

Episode Date: October 6, 2025

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and using the code sleep today. Hi, everyone, Judge Andrew Napolitano here for Judging Freedom, today is Monday, October 6th, 2025, Max Blumenthal joins us now. Max, a pleasure, my dear friend. Thank you for joining us. I want to explore the behavior of certain American billionaires, particularly the Ellison's who soon will own CBS, Paramount, and TikTok. But before we get there, why do you think Trump told Netanyahu to stop bombing in Gaza? and why is the bombing continuing? Well, Trump told him to stop bombing because he thought he had a deal with Hamas.

I mean, J.D. Vance, the vice president, actually published Hamas accepting some version of Trump's 21-point plan. The Trump's truth social account published a photograph of Israelis protesting in support of a ceasefire to return. their captive family members still in Gaza. So it seemed sincere, leaving aside the neo-colonial nature of Trump's plan, which is actually a pacification plan and not a peace plan. It seemed clear Trump wanted it to end. He wanted to be the head of a Gaza peace authority. Tony Blair was to come in as the head of the Gaza Transitional International, International Transitional Authority.

and Benjamin Netanyahu had other ideas continued the bombing and slaughtered I think about 60 people yesterday and wounded close to 160 the bombing continues two days ago Israel

deliberately targeted with a U.S. warplane and a U.S. missile a center for the blind run by UNRWA in central Gaza city. Netanyahu is under sustained pressure

from the fanatics in his coalition, who comprised the heart of his coalition, Bezalas Motric, Idemar Ben-Gvier, lesser-known figures like Orit Strach, who say the so-called hostages are actually an impediment to total victory. And total victory consists of the destruction of northern Gaza, the Judaization of northern Gaza through new settlements, and the expulsion of the population through ethnic cleansing into the Sinai Peninsula. That's their agenda. And if Netanyahu does otherwise, they can just blow up his entire coalition and send him back to court after he loses immunity.

So Netanyahu has kept the bombing going. He's gone before the Israeli public in Hebrew and said, we actually have no plan to withdraw. And he stated explicitly yesterday that troops will remain, occupation soldiers will remain deep inside Gaza throughout the duration of this supposed peaceful. plan. Well, why would Gaza accept such a thing? Why would Gaza surrender the hostages? Why would Gaza throw down their arms in the face of no deal at all? Yeah. They're not going to because if Hamas understands if they give up their weapons, Gaza will not, the Israeli talking point of them giving up their weapons and surrendering and then Gaza returning to peace is just that and that everything the Israelis say is deceptive. Look at the West Bank where the Palestinian Authority

has not only given up weapons. They've turned their weapons on fellow Palestinians on behalf of Israel. Go into any Palestinian refugee camp in any major Palestinian city. And by day, the Palestinian Authority arrests Palestinians. And by night, the Israeli military raids and they coordinate. And the West Bank is now not just cantonized, but it is on the verge of being annexed. It has been turned into a giant prison. Palestinians can't travel between one city, from one city to another because of the amount of settler terror and military terror. And so Gaza will face that as well. It was Hamas that expelled or pushed the Israeli military and Israeli settlers out after the second Intifada and allowed people in Gaza to travel up and down their

tiny little open-air prison freely for the first time. So they're not going to give up weapons for the same reason, Hezbollah won't. Hasbullah's major accomplishment has been defending Lebanon against an Israeli occupation, forcing Israel to leave in 2000 and preventing Israel from marching to Beirut as it did in the early 1980s. So they're facing pressure to put down their weapons. None of these groups will put down their weapons, but they will agree to a very one-sided agreement just to end the violence. And it's a fact that Hamas is facing pressure from the civilian population of Gaza, which has suffered so much. But how can they negotiate when Israel is demonstrating the real power dynamic between itself and Washington that, as Tucker Carlson

said last week, Netanyahu is running around the region bragging that he has Trump under his thumb. And by bombing Gaza after Trump says to stop, he is reinforcing that dynamic and illustrating everything Tucker Carlson said to be clearly true. The only way to stop Israel is through force, and Trump is unable to apply it. How did Netanyahu react, if you know, to Trump's twice stated command that the Israelis will never annex the West Bank? He won't let it happen. Well, they can annex it gradually and not formally. I mean, it also, it doesn't serve Netanyahu's interest to formally annex the West Bank. That's something the settlers want. There's ideological and religious messianic reasons for them to do it, but for Netanyahu politically

doesn't serve them well to formally make the West Bank part of Israel, even though Israel doesn't respect international law. It would mean under the Geneva Conventions, they have an obligation, to care for the population to provide them with postal services, electricity. It would eliminate the Palestinian Authority, which would create a security vacuum, which would lead to massive militancy. It just doesn't serve him well. He likes to keep the, it's for the same reason that Israel under successive prime ministers, including Netanyahu, insisted that they did not occupy the Gaza Strip that they actually withdrew in 2005, 2006, even though they actually controlled the perimeters, the skies, the sea. It's to avoid having any obligation to the

population. So the population's then controlled by the Palestinian Authority. So they're just gradually annexing as much as they can in what's known as Area C, the Jordan Valley, the areas where there's the most farmland, arable land, water wells, and they will confine Palestinian to their little Palestinian Authority maintained reservations or ghettos. That's always been the plan. But now, I mean, the government's ideological tendency has lurched so far into the messianic far shores of the extreme kahanist right that the pressure to formally annexed the West Bank might actually explode Netanyahu's.

coalition at some point in the next year or two if he manages to hold on. From the perspective of Hamas, why would they even negotiate with the United States and Israel in light of the trap Trump lured them into in Iran and the murders that Netanyahu committed in Lebanon? Well, the real deal breaker should be the attack that Israel waged on. Hamas's negotiating team in Qatar and Doha, with some advance warning to Trump, but the Trump administration said they were, oh, we were only given 10 minutes, which further illustrates how firmly Netanyahu controls them and how disrespectful and contemptuous he is of Washington.

Either way, that should have been a deal breaker. Israel wanted to destroy the entire negotiating team. But Hamas, they're shrewd, and they understand. understand that to fulfill Israel's objective and to just abandon negotiations altogether plays into Israel's hands. It's for the same reason that Iran, when Israel sabotaged the Natanz nuclear facility in 2018, in order to break up negotiations that were underway between the U.S. and Iran, Iran continued to negotiate, but they escalated their uranium enrichment.

So Hamas will continue to fight in the Gaza Strip as it works to negotiate. but what's interesting is how the dynamics between Qatar and the United States have shifted. There's been a deal since that attack. First of all, Qatar has former lobbyists and cabinet-level positions inside the White House. They gifted Donald Trump something like $500 billion, or is it – sorry. The plane is worth – the plane is worth $400 million. They agreed to $400 billion. in investments in the United States.

Right. So they bought him an Air Force one, or he bought an Air Force one jet from them that they didn't want anymore, a luxury airliner. And they made $400 billion in investments. Trump walked away with something like a trillion from the Gulf. So Qatar has some influence. They, through Trump, Israel was forced to apologize for that strike. And quietly, as part of this deal, Al Jazeera has installed new leadership.

a new director who has imposed a softer line. I believe he actually comes, I could be incorrect, but I believe he actually comes from Al-Hurah, which is the U.S. government-funded Arabic language network. And he has imposed a softer line so that Al-Al Jazeera Mubashir, the Arabic network, is actually just focused on the humanitarian situation in Gaza and doing less coverage that's favorable to Hamas. So something deeper is in the works.

Hamas has avoided being assassinated. They've also resisted the pressure from the U.S. and Israel to be pushed out of Qatar entirely. But Qatar is moving. And there is movement towards a deal, but Israel is the main obstructionist because Trump won't be able to exercise any leverage. What is the Israeli government doing to spend money in the United States on Christian Zionist groups? Well, there's a new Foreign Agent Registration Act document at the Department of Justice showing that a group of lobbyists who represent the state of Israel are planning a massive campaign targeting Christian churches around Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Phoenix, and Denver. And these lobbyists, what they want to do is geo-fencing around the

perimeters of these churches so that when you walk in there with your phone, your phone begins to be targeted with ads promoting Israel. reminding you of the horrors of October 7th, you will also be treated to visual, virtual reality interactions where you can watch horrific scenes of October 7th on an Oculus. There will be billboard displays in and around church areas. And what they aim to do is actually digitally rope something like 4 to 5% of all U.S. Christians at least initially, into a Israeli propaganda clockwork orange-style megaplex and then track their phones after they leave. It's a $4.5 million deal right now, which will expand and which

builds on another foreign agent deal in which Israel has contracted, in which Israel has contracted Brad Pascal, the former campaign manager of Donald Trump to the tune of of $1.5 million a month to contract influencers and to game the algorithms and LLM models of chat GPT and other AI platforms in favor of Israel. There's also a separate deal to purchase influencers and pay them what amounts to $7,000 per post in support of Israel. And we can kind of guess who they are from the kind of activity that we've been witnessing online. For example, one of them, one of the apparent influencers is named Lizzie Savetsky. We've never heard of any of these figures before. And she recently boarded a small luxury yacht in an Israeli port

and claimed that it had been captured from the flotilla was filled with needles and condoms and margarita machines. Unfortunately, her handlers neglected to remove the orange juice bottles which had Hebrew labels showing they were Israeli brands, something that flotilla passengers could have never acquired. So it was all planted. Let me just improve the sound here. Wow. What does any of this have to do with the Ellison's acquisitions, if anything, of paramount CBS and of all things, TikTok? Well, Netanyahu announced a seven-front war last year, which has seen continued attacks

on southern Lebanon, thousands of violations of the ceasefire there, a 12-day war with Iran, the slaughtering of the entire cabinet of Yemen and assassination of the prime ministers, Israel fails to suppress resistance from the Ansarola government. attacks inside, genocide inside Gaza, a massive campaign of arrests and de facto annexation of the West Bank. I mean, the fronts just pile up. These are all just in the region. Now Netanyahu has announced an eighth front to the war. In a meeting with U.S. paid influencers for Israel, he basically signaled his intention to wage war on the minds of the American public and that America has become the eighth theater of Netanyahu's global war

and he openly called for TikTok to be purchased. So it's happened right, it's happening right before our eyes. It's happened today. This plan, this eighth front just took control of an important legacy media property, CBS News through the merger of Paramount and Skydance, the company of Larry Ellison, the Oracle billionaire's son, David Ellison. In addition, David Ellison purchased the free press newsletter of self-described Zionist fanatic, former New York Times columnist Barry Weiss for $150 million.

I highly doubt the free press has that much more traffic than the gray zone on a good day. and we published much less volume than her. It seemed like an artificial valuation. The investors behind Barry Weiss's free press are some of the major AI tech warlords. David Sachs, who is one of them, is in charge of AI and crypto policy for the Trump administration.

So if these investors made money off of Paramount's purchase of the free press, then what we have here is a very, a very clear conflict of interest because David Ellison has installed Barry Weiss's editor-in-chief now of CBS News. So the editor-in-chief has a major investor, apparently, who has a Trump administration role in basically gearing AI and crypto policy for Trump in apparent violation of the emoluments clause. And she will produce coverage, presumably that's favorable to her investor. This is a clear and explicit violation of CBS's published code of ethics, but more

importantly, just panning out, this is part and parcel of an Israeli takeover of American media as Israel faces global backlash and a complete cratering of its support in the United States for its genocide and seven front war in the region. Here's Netanyahu talking about the importance of the Tick-Tuck purchase, Chris, cut number five. We're going to have to use the tools of battle. You know, the weapons change over time. You can't fight today with swords. It doesn't work very well, okay?

And you can't fight with cavalry. That doesn't work very well. And you have these new things, you know, like drones, things like that. I won't get into that. But we have to fight with the weapons that apply to. in the battlefields in which we're engaged. And the most important ones are on social media. And the most important purchase that is going on right now is class.

Thal followers. TikTok. Ticktah, number one, number one. And I hope it goes through because it can be consequential. And the other one, what's the other one? That's most important. X. X.

Excessible. Very good. Well, Ellison can own TikTok. How's he going to take X away from this fellow trillionaire? Well, Larry Ellison now owns TikTok, and TikTok has, first of all, Larry Ellison's Oracle is a major CIA contractor. Larry Ellison is on the board of Friends of the IDF. And he is someone who's hosted Netanyahu on his private island in Hawaii. He's very close to him.

So it looks engineered from Tel Aviv. Larry Ellison moved in on TikTok with the venture capital, the venture capitalist Andresen Horowitz, Mark Andresen, who is a major investor of Barry Weiss and Ben Horowitz, the son of David Horowitz, the anti-Palestian agitator and former Trotskyist, who actually was a mentor to many of these neocons, including Charlie Kirk when he was.

younger. So this is, it's very clear why this was done. And TikTok is now blocking or banning anyone from mentioning APAC in conjunction with an Israeli influence operation. It's been censoring anyone who is an Israel critic. The gray zone already has two strikes there. I think we're pretty much finished on TikTok. It's, it's in the, reason was spelled out by Mitt Romney and Tony Blinken in conversation when they complained about young people seeing too many dead Palestinian babies on TikTok. Ted Cruz complained in a Senate hearing that TikTok was spreading pro-Hamas propaganda. And then most recently, Van Jones, another apparent asset of the Israel lobby on real time with Bill Maher, complained that people

were seeing too many Palestinian dead babies because of a Qatari and Iranian influence disinformation operation. And he managed to earn laughter, too, with a punchline about dead Palestinian babies. So these are the talking points, and the billionaire investors are responding to these talking points. And as we just published at the Gray Zone, sourcing reporting from the investigative journalist Jack Paulson, David Ellison, the son of Larry Ellison has actually been in talks with Israeli officials for a decade about doing something just like this. We reported on leaked emails that were sourced from the personal email account of former Israeli

defense minister, Benny Gantz, by hackers, which show that David Ellison was recruited as part of an initiative called 12 tribes, referring to 12 Zionist billionaires that Israel sought to fund operations against pro-Palestine activism in the U.S. And that was his beginning, his genesis, as kind of a sugar daddy slash cutout for Israeli intelligence as it sought to wage cognitive warfare on the American public. And that's what Netanyahu is referring to in that meeting with influencers as well. They've been very clear about their agenda. It's playing out before our eyes.

And if you read any of the coverage, for example, Barry Weiss being installed today is the editor of CBS News, none of it mentions this. And this is the subtext to the entire plot, is that Israel is waging the largest foreign meddling operation in history inside the United States. It's not Russia Gate. It's Israel Gate. And no one in mainstream media is treating it as a scandal, possibly because they're afraid that they'll be bought next. So Israel's former top general sought donations from David Ellison and his father Larry as part of a billionaire coterie to fund digital paramilitaries aimed at sabotaging pro-Palestinian, I assume pro-Palestinian-American activists. Yep, American. The weak documents show one planner explaining, quote, in the jungle, we need more guerrillas and less IDF, close quote, with Paramount and CBS News now under his control.

the younger Ellison has installed self-described Zionist fanatic. Has she called herself a Zionist fanatic? Barry Weiss, as Senator-in-Chief. Yeah, and a New York Times editorial co-authored with Brett Stevens, who came up through the same Zionist lobbying network as her. She and Stevens said they accepted the label of Zionist fanatic, that they won't dispute it. This, the documents that we published are absolutely damning. Of course, they're 10 years old, but they help illustrate what's taking place right now. This is a foreign takeover using a fifth column of Zionist billionaire cutouts who are advancing the interests of an apartheid state that's engaged in a genocide that is hated everywhere

around the world. And it's not going to work, but what they're doing, in suppressing whatever's left of the news division at CBS, whatever's left of 60 Minutes, which was already a tool of the intelligence agencies and performed propaganda services for Israel, is they're trying to legitimize Israeli propaganda through a legacy media property.

They're not actually going to breathe new life into CBS News. They're just using its carcass to legitimate. legitimize whatever's left of their Hasbara. And it's a malicious project. Back in 2015, the Israelis actually sought out David Ellison and the 12 tribes funding coterie in order to wait. I mean, when I say wage war, they were actually going to deploy the notorious black cube firm of former Mossad professionals, which had stalked the accusers of

Harvey Weinstein, which had defended the makers of Pegasus spyware, which had spied on members of the Obama administration while they were involved in nuclear negotiations with Iran. They were going to use them to attack pro-Palestine activists and Israel critics in the United States. I mean, this is an organization that says it's involved in social engineering and moves freely in limited access, environments and harvest data from a system. Americans through the darknet. So this really is a war on us. We are the eighth front of this war. Christians going to church without even knowing it, in Arizona, in California, in Colorado,

will now be blasted with Israeli propaganda through their phones and tracked everywhere they go. Our media is now going to be overrun with paid influencers, but none of us will know that they are advancing the agenda of a foreign government and some of the major. major media properties, and 60 minutes, this once-treasured weekly news magazine that was home to the investigations of Mike Wallace will essentially be under the control of American AI warlords and Tel Aviv. This should be a much bigger scandal. And it's a scandal, again, of foreign meddling. Well, you know, this Justice Department is not going to investigate it, and probably none will if the Zionists continue their iron grip on the federal government,

no matter which party occupies the White House and which party has a numerical control of Congress. What can we do about this other than what you are doing now, which is exposing it? I mean, this is a pathway to a dictatorship, a techno-feudal dictatorship. And you can see that Trump administration setting the stage by labeling large swaths of the American public as terrorists, sending troops into American cities to suppress dissent. Trump referring to major American urban centers as training grounds for foreign conflicts, the labeling of anyone now off the coast of Venezuela as terrorists.

The whole definition of terrorism, which came into being through the AUMF after 9-11, has been expanded to the point where none of us are safe from that designation. The purpose is to suppress dissent so that we can't do anything about this takeover. So it's important now to understand at least what the stakes are and that this isn't a partisan issue. But with Donald Trump in the White House, these forces, these AI techno-futilists and who are all ideologically militantly Zionist and their Israeli partners in crime have more control over American policy than ever before. So it's important to resist it. Here's the person that whispers into Trump's here every morning and every night, sounding like it's Berlin in the 1930s.

We are about to provide you with a level of support. You cannot even imagine. This isn't just a task force. This is a all-of-government unlimited support operation. ATF, DEA, FBI, ICE, Department of War, every resource we have. We are sending in real cops with guns and badges to go out with you on the street every single night making arrests. I pledge to you, we will liberate this city from the criminal element that has plagued it for generations.

The idea that there is a square inch of block in this city where a citizen doesn't feel safe is unacceptable. This is Memphis. This is the United States of America. And all that bullshit is done. It's over. It's finished. My God, who will protect us from the protectors? Yeah.

I mean, when has Stephen Miller ever worn a uniform picked up a gun or gotten his hands dirty? I mean, he was some sniveling little resentful rich kid from San Francisco. a monica who just hated all the liberals that he went to high school with and he's been playing out his issues ever since. And where is the constitution? Trump is now attempting to send one national guard from California to another state, Oregon, to invade the city of Portland against the wishes of both states. Neither governor wants to do so. And it's because a court has ruled that he cannot send federal forces. And a court has ruled against that as well.

So the courts no longer matter. You can see in Chicago, the population does not want this federal invasion. And what the federal invasion is aimed at is essentially kidnapping citizens on the basis of their appearance, that they appear as criminals or they appear as undocumented immigrants, that they're illegal, which basically means, I mean, I would like. laugh at someone who I might laugh at someone who would say this years ago, but it's like it basically just means my whiteness is my protection from being kidnapped off the street because no one suspects that I came over the border. And that's what they're doing, violating the fourth and sixth amendment of

people who are in this country. So the constitution has been obliterated. And I've been saying again and again, this is not about immigration because they're not able to carry out mass deportations in the first place. They've basically shut down the border already. This is about crushing dissent and normalizing the concept of secret masked police in our cities who can kidnap anyone on any basis without a warrant and even arrest people who demand a warrant, as we've seen in a Chicago hospital with a nurse being violently arrested for demanding a warrant of a patient being arrested. It's about normalizing secret police. It's about normalizing the deployment of the military for testing in American cities and for testing various tech surveillance mechanisms.

It's a part of an entire project that I would call global gauzification, where a restive but impoverished citizenry becomes test gerbils for a rapacious billionaire class that has no morals and no respect for international law and seeks to export what lessons they've learned through that testing as a means of a financializing surveillance and violence. It's moved here and it won't end with Trump. Well, and it's only going to get worse, unfortunately. The size and scope of ice wouldn't shrink, even if they succeeded in removing every undocumented person from the United States.

They just find another class of people to go after because monsters, dictators, need a target. They need an enemy. They need to be able to focus the, ire of their people on some harmless enemy that can't resist? No, that's a great point. I mean, in the BBB, Trump expanded the size of ice to an almost intractable level. It got like over $50 billion. So while China is building these expansive bridges over massive canyons and building high-speed rail, the United States government

is deputizing the proud boys and deputizing a possible. criminal element to expand ice as much as possible. We have no way of vetting the personnel of ICE or knowing who they are because they're masked. Their defense is, oh, we're going to get doxed. And they have full latitude to kidnap Americans based on how they look. When this campaign is over, they're still going to be there with this massive budget. If you watch any NFL game during a commercial, you'll see ICE agents are being recruited and offered a $50,000 signing bonus. And this Praetorian Guard will be so entrenched that it won't be able, that it cannot be removed. And it's an ideological force. 100% of those signing up want to abuse Americans who they

consider to be terrorists or illegal immigrants. What's going to happen with them after Trump leaves? Either Rome or Milan, Italy was stopped yesterday, totally shut down. I realize it was a Sunday, but you couldn't get anything done with millions of people in the streets. The Italian public, I'm just using Italy as an example because of what happened yesterday is overwhelmingly against what's going on in Gaza, but the government is not. The government, of course, supports what Netanyahu and his coteries are doing. Yeah, Maloney. Maloney. What's happening in the United States is simply unacceptable, profoundly unconstitutional.

A federal judge in Oregon was so furious that she ordered that no Oregon National Guard can come into Portland, whereupon Trump ordered the Texas and California National Guard to go into Portland. She held a hearing on a Sunday afternoon at the end of which accused the man who appointed her to the bench of openly defying the order that she signed. She made a crystal clear that no National Guard from whatever state they hail can enter Oregon. So I don't know where this is going to go or what's. going to stop it. It's a complete violation of the whole concept of federalism. Correct. Founding fathers enshrined. Correct. She made a terrific 31-page treatise in defense of federalism. But what these masked monsters are doing in Chicago is simply reprehensible. They're

using axes to kick in doors, and they are beating people up if they don't have a passport with them and cannot prove that they're an American. This, of course, totally. totally violates the Constitution. You don't have to prove anything. The government has to have an arrest warrant to restrain you unless it observes you committing a felony. Max, thank you for your, go ahead, please. Well, and just really quickly, since you brought up the flotilla, we have an interview. I just wanted to highlight at the gray zone with Thomas Becker, who is a great human rights lawyer and journalist and a friend of ours who is on the conscience ship, which is due to either reach, Gaza and break the siege or to be intercepted any minute, possibly, possibly right now. Others passengers from the Samud Freedom Flotilla, including Greta Toonberg, have been led out after being abused for a week.

And Mike Huckabee, the supposed U.S. ambassador to Israel, has mocked Greta Toonberg on his Twitter account. And so there are Americans, American citizens who are due to be killed. kidnapped by Israel or who have been. And what Mike Huckabee, the U.S. ambassador, is saying is we will not provide consular representation to U.S. citizens because I actually represent Israel. So that's another indication of where we are with this government and who's actually in control.

American citizens attempting to bring aid to Gaza being kidnapped on the high seas by Israel will not receive consular representation as they're abused by Israeli. foreign police and security personnel. That is disgusting. Well, end it there, Max. I don't know what's going to stop this, but something has to happen soon. But thank you very much for all of your incredible work, both video and in writing. And thanks for your courage, my dear friend. All the best to you. Thanks a lot, Judge. Sure. Wow. Coming up on all of this, at 3 o'clock, Scott Ritter, and at 4 o'clock,

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