Judging Freedom - Max Blumenthal : The Occupation Comes Home

Episode Date: May 17, 2024

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Thank you. Hi, everyone. Judge Andrew Napolitano here for Judging Freedom. Today is Thursday, May 16th, 2024. Max Blumenthal joins us now. Max, you know I've been reading your work for years, and you've been on the show weekly for about a year, but last night was the first time we met in person along

with Anya and Aaron, and it was a delightful, delightful, happy experience. I was lurking in the back of the crowd, but I didn't want you to know I was there until it was over with. Chris, we have a wonderful picture of the four of us. There we are. Aaron, you, Anya, and me crammed into this publisher's office in a bar, only in the Lower East Side of New York.

I looked pretty surprised there. Yeah. Very happy time. And for me, it was a thrill to be hugged and kissed by the beautiful Anya while her husband just stood there and watched. Yeah. It didn't last long enough for me to intervene. But it was a great, great surprise. And this was the book launch for Anya's new book, Corporate Coup, which is about the failed U.S. coup attempt against Venezuela, looking at it as a test case for the overall failing state of U.S. empire and its mechanism of financial terrorism. And it's a great book. It was a great book launch. We had an overflow crowd.

Oh, you sure did. I was blown away. I couldn't see you for some reason. I was blown away at the meticulous knowledge the three of you have, particularly Anya, after all her research of the dastardly ongoings by the CIA in Latin America, something we should explore someday. I know that that's what the book is about, and it's all on the tip of her tongue, but it was marvelous the way all of it was explained. I was also blown away. This is a little selfish of me to say the way I was greeted by that crowd. Listen, I'm an ex lifelong Fox guy and all these young lefties were just greeting me and hugging me and wanting to take pictures of me because of the way the world has turned.

And I have been liberated. And part of it is because of you and Anya and Aaron. And I'm deeply grateful for it. It was a wonderful crowd. Wonderful crowd. I mean, it reminded me of the SDS, the Students for a Democratic Society of the 60s when I was an undergraduate. It was terrific.

People of all ages, all races, religious backgrounds. Yes. Yes, absolutely. All political persuasions were there. So it was a leftist kind of meeting space. And it shows we're really just in a different era right now. And people are paying much more attention in the United States to the outside world and to geopolitics. And they're turning to you because of your smart guests and your own insights. They're beyond all that Fox and then hate fest that they've been feeding us for years. Yes, yes. You were recently you and I spoke about this briefly last night and you wrote about it at the Gray Zone. You recently spoke at UMass Amherst, a very fine educational institution, just last week. What did you witness there?

Well, I gave an hour-long talk at UMass and a lot of the students in the audience were either missing or it was a still packed crowd, but many students were not able to come. And those that were there were yawning because they'd spent the entire night in jail. They'd been handcuffed for six hours. The state troopers that arrested them refused to allow them to go to the bathroom while they were cuffed or in zip ties. Some of the women said they weren't allowed to change their tampons. They were, I mean, treated very harshly after being tackled and brutalized by Massachusetts State Police. Why? Because they staged a peaceful encampment on the central lawn at UMass. And rather than allowing this to just peter out at the end of the semester, 48 hours away from graduation, a new chancellor and a board of trustees who are obviously subject to pro-Israel and oligarchic influence decided to send in the new version of the Pinkertons.

Where like, you know, Carnegie used to pay for the thug squads in the past, but now we, the taxpayer, have to pay for these cops to just absolutely brutalize peaceful students who are doing nothing wrong. And, you know, this wasn't the first encampment at UMass. There was an encampment, I think two years, a few years ago for protesting the cost of housing around campus. They did the same tactic and nothing happened and they weren't beaten. So they're being beaten into submission because this cause threatens the very heart of empire. As I mentioned in my talk at UMass, last week in Washington, there was a major conference of intelligence spooks, military honchos called the Strategic Competitiveness Project run by Eric Schmidt, co-founder of Google, who oversees the Pentagon's third offset to compete against China in AI. And on one of the major panels seated next to former CENTCOM director General Mark Milley was Alex Karp, the CEO of Palantir, probably the biggest private spying firm in the country. They're running targeting for the Ukrainians. They're involved with the Israelis.

And he said that if we allow these protests to continue and we don't defeat them in the war of ideas, we will not be able to send armies to war in the West. And they've clearly lost the war of ideas. They have nothing left but force and the phony anti-Semitism allegation, which they're using to criminalize these student protests. But what Alex Karp said is exactly right. These student protests, this campus-wide, nationwide rebellion does truly threaten American empire. So you have a public school, University of Massachusetts, owned by the state, arguably the most liberal state in the union. You have the public spaces on the public school. You're not talking about students occupying the president's office. You're talking about students standing in a public green, expressing political views contrary to the donors to the school. And for that and that reason alone, the police came in and I'm going to guess, correct me if I'm wrong, there was no violence

until the cops got there. The cops were violent. Exactly. I mean, no one was harming these, you know, these students weren't harming anyone. Actually, the day before my talk, pro-Israel students were going around ripping down flyers posted around campus, advertising my talk and putting up pro-Israel propaganda, but they faced no consequence. But they weren't harming anyone. They weren't doing anything. Now they've been charged with trespassing on their own campus. And the campus administration handed over the safety of students to the state police to come in and beat them with truncheons and tackle them. We saw at UCLA, the police, LAPD, LA Sheriff's Department, University of California Police Department disappeared for

four hours at precisely the same time a mob of Zionist hooligans from West LA gathered with metal pipes, Dodger Stadium level fireworks, and pepper spray to attack peaceful protesters at UCLA. All on camera. Multiple cases of assault and battery were carried out on camera, live streamed by local media throughout L.A. And the police stood by and watched? Arrested anyone. No one has been arrested yet. But two days later, 41 students were arrested preemptively on their way to a peaceful sit-in. And they were charged, along with every journalist documenting this, with conspiracy to commit burglary by L.A. Sheriff's Department. It's so obvious what's going on here. This is another school owned by the government and again the public part of the school the part of the of

the government's property dedicated to the free dissemination of ideas max i can't imagine any of these cases withstanding a rudimentary challenge in court that doesn't that that's a not necessarily a happy outcome because of what they went through being unable to use the bathroom and being hogtied. For what? For standing there while expressing a political opinion? What's the burglary? What's the basis for the burglary charge? They're just throwing anything at them. Columbia University charged the students with trespassing and removed their ability to even live in their own dormitories that they had paid for. But they're just making it up as they go along in order to preserve the special relationship with a foreign apartheid state currently engaged

in genocide 5,000 miles away. And let me give you a few insights into why campus administrations are behaving the way they are and waging this massive attack on free speech and allowing students to be brutalized by outside forces. Please do so. Okay. UCLA, for example, one of the attackers on camera who was proudly admitted to being involved is named Tom Bibian. He's not some run-of-the-mill criminal class hooligan. He's from an extremely wealthy family in West LA that runs the Bibian Family Philanthropic Foundation. They're heavily involved with the Chabad ultra-Orthodox cult. They've donated to media. I think they've donated to politicians. So there is political pressure not to arrest these students. CNN actually showed up not to arrest these hooligans. CNN showed up at the door

of one of these hooligans houses, an 18 year old who was beating protesters with metal pipes on camera. And his mother, you know, this is a very, in a very nice neighborhood. His mother said she was very proud of what he did. He was defending his people and he's going to join the Israeli army soon. Then you have at Columbia University, we've all heard about Manoush Shafiq, the president there has no idea what she's doing. They're trying to stop a divestment drive. The students want to divest from arms companies like Lockheed Martin, which are providing Israel with gigantic weapons platforms and bombs to commit genocide. Well, guess who is a major Columbia trustee? Che Johnson, who is Obama's Department of Homeland Security chief, who is coaching Shafiq on this and serving as a liaison between the law enforcement agencies and the security state and the administration. He is on the board simultaneously of Lockheed Martin. Lockheed Martin has received more public welfare, more money from us, the US taxpayer over the last 10

years than the Department of Education. Can you believe that? So that's controlling Columbia University. And that's what these students are threatening. And then you were talking about how UMass is a public university. Well, Ohio State had a very harsh crackdown in Columbus, Ohio. Ohio State, by Jeffrey Epstein's number one wingman, Les Wexner, Victoria's Secret former CEO. He has donated over $120 million to Ohio State. He basically controls that campus and the city of Columbus, and he's on the board of trustees. And despite all of these credible accusations from Epstein accusers, Virginia Giuffre, for example. No one can dislodge him from that board because it's all about the Benjamins, baby. That's what this all comes down to. What is the latest politically motivated investigations by the House Republicans in order to tamp down the exercise of free speech on college campuses. Well, we are witnessing a return to the House Un-American Affairs Committee trials of the McCarthy era,

in which people not only had their lives destroyed for simply having the wrong political views, but were actually killed. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, Sacco and Vanzetti, American dissidents were given the death penalty. Paul Robeson eventually was killed in his family's view and certainly had his life destroyed. And James Comer of the House Oversight and Governance Committee and Virginia Fox have sent out a letter demanding that the Treasury Department investigate various nonprofits for sponsoring groups like Jewish Voice for Peace or the Jewish group If Not Now, as well as Students for Justice in Palestine, because of their, quote, un-American views. This is a new talking point that the Israel lobby is

rolling out to not accuse them of being pro-Hamas or anti-Israel, but to accuse them of being un-American and demanding that the government investigate them and then bring them before Congress to testify about their un-Americanism. Last week, we saw Virginia Fox bring actual educators, heads of public school districts from across the country to testify on the grounds that they were sponsoring anti-Israel education. Representative Aaron Bean claimed that second graders were belting out Nazi propaganda schools and just completely making it up. But now they're rolling it into un-Americanism, and they're going to do show trials, the House GOP, which is actually under the control of the

state of Israel and the Israel lobby, on the grounds that protesting this genocide is somehow un-American and it's getting traction. Concurrent with that, there are lawsuits being waged by major corporate law firms with plaintiffs as the family, the plaintiffs are the family members of captives in Gaza. And they are going after the same targets, students for justice in Palestine, American Muslims for Palestine, various, I think, Jewish Voice for Peace, Code Pink, Medea Benjamin's group. They're suing them and they're on a fishing expedition, but they're accusing them, including Code Pink, of being a foreign terrorist organization. And what they're trying to do is declare protests

a form of terrorism on the grounds that that protest supports Hamas. So we are witnessing the greatest attack on free speech in our time. And the hypocrisy, Judge, is incredible because you remember back in 2013, I think the Democrats tried to investigate nonprofits that were supporting the Tea Party, and Representative Virginia Foxx protested. The same people that are waging this attack protested that. They're complete hypocrites. They don't believe in the Constitution.

They just believe in shutting down their opposition and using lawfare. T, if they're interested in investigating foreign entities that are influencing America, I wonder if they'll investigate the donor class. I wonder if they'll investigate AIPAC. I wonder what they'll do with Congressman Thomas Massey's legislation to require AIPAC to register as a foreign agent. Yeah, investigate themselves. Look in the mirror. Right. I didn't know that it was that bad.

I didn't know that they were contemplating show trials. Thanks be to God, James Madison thought about that in the Constitution, and the Congress is not allowed to enact legislation, the result of which is the conviction of a crime. They'll humiliate people. They'll drag them before their overlords and ask them questions and force them to answer. But there can be no criminal consequences for it. But it's a reprehensible use of power in America to intimidate the exercise of free speech. Nobody can intimidate you and nobody can intimidate me, but we are different. We have megaphones. The average person would think, certainly the average 18 or 19-year-old on a college campus would think twice before expressing themselves if they feared

government reprisal. That's called chilling. And the Supreme Court has over and over again found that to be unconstitutional when the government chills the exercise of First Amendment freedoms. The New York University students who are arrested for protesting their schools and support through its investments in the Israeli genocide, who may have been arrested during peaceful protests, are being forced to submit reflection papers reflecting on what they did wrong and discussing their culpability in order for them to graduate. And at the same time, in another shocking example of foreign influence on our government, the 70-year-old trailblazing Israeli revisionist historian Ilan Pape,

whose book The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, provided devastating insights into the cruelty of Israel's founding on the backs of Palestinians, was detained at Detroit International Airport 12 hours ago by FBI agents and interrogated for hours about his supposed links to Hamas. And they demanded every Arab and Muslim contact he had in the United States. And they took his phone and copied its contents. And I will be doing a webinar with Ilan Pape on Saturday. But this is clearly coming from Israel. The FBI is clearly taking its cues from the Israeli security state here. We are under occupation. The occupation has come home. Now, what are we looking at here, Max?

Can you see it? There it is. That's, yeah. So you can just register that QR code on Saturday, if you want to see our webinar this Saturday at 12 p.m. Eastern time. Okay. We'll post that for you on my website. In the meantime, the House of Representatives has enacted, I don't think the Senate has voted on this yet, as one of the most profound anti-free speech pieces of legislation since the Patriot Act made it a crime to tell the recipient of a search warrant that they had received the warrant, the Anti-Semitism Awareness Act. I mean, this allows the bureaucrats in the Department of Education, as I understand it, to cut off federal funding to schools,, in the opinion of those bureaucrats, don't adequately surveil the students, the professors, and the administrators for articulating

anti-Semitic speech. This forces you, if you want to criticize the government of Prime Minister Netanyahu, to criticize another government as well. This forces you, if you want to criticize Zionism, to criticize another religious and racial movement as well. This not only punishes speech, this forces speech. This compels speech. This is about as profoundly violative of the First Amendment as one can imagine, and yet it was voted on overwhelmingly. The only one who spoke against it was Thomas Massey. They gave him two minutes to speak against it. adopt the definition of anti-Semitism put forward by a very politicized organization, a pro-Israel group called the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, which claims that anti-Semitism is not only, quote unquote, hatred of Jews, which is what I would define it

as, but also declaring Israel a foreign apartheid state as a racist endeavor or applying double standards to Israel that wouldn't apply to, quote, any other democratic nation as if Israel's democratic or, quote, drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis. First of all, I actually know the author of this definition. His name is Kenneth Stern. Who is he? Well, he used to work for the American Jewish Committee, and he left because they were too extreme for him, too pro Netanyahu. And he is actually opposed enshrining that definition in law and said it was just simply an attempt by him to define anti-Semitism, was never intended to be applied to the law or force

U.S. government agencies to enact it. He opposes the Anti-Semitism Awareness Act, as does Jerry Nadler, an extremely pro-Israel politician from a heavily Jewish district in New York. And Congressman Nadler is the oldest member of the House of Representatives who's Jewish. I think he's been there for 40 years. Yes. And he opposes it because it just simply opens up a Pandora's box for destroying the Constitution even more than it's been completely urinated on since 9-11. And this is Comer and Virginia Foxx in the same gaggle of Republicans. And the Democrats like Richie Torres, who the AIPAC simply, he's just someone AIPAC simply owns

from the poorest district in America in the South Bronx, has some Jewish constituents in Riverdale. And Richie Torres is just, all he does is serve Israel and never shows up in his district. But the Anti-Semitism Awareness Act would define Albert Einstein as an anti-Semite. Albert Einstein, who was asked by the state of Israel to be its first president and refused and referred to the Lehi or Irgun movement, which is the intellectual basis for the Likud party that Netanyahu leads, he referred to them as Nazis. Ronald Reagan referred to Israel's conduct in Lebanon during its invasion in 1982 as Nazism. I, of course, would be defined as an anti-Semite under this law. So too would one third of all Jews under 40 who have told pollsters that they believe Israel is committing genocide. So this law,

if it's enacted, is going to drive the civil war inside the American Jewish community to new dimensions, cause massive lawsuits, rancor inside public schools. And it just is, it's opening up the door for social disaster and for targeting every other group that is regarded as a dissident, people who are called conspiracy theorists or extremists. So everyone has to oppose it, regardless of how they feel about Israel-Palestine, if you believe in the most fundamental value that makes America special, which is the First Amendment, freedom of speech. You and I have been talking now for 24 minutes, all of it about the influence of Jewish groups on freedoms in America. It's really unbelievable. All of it about the vice

grip that the donor class has on the Congress of the United States of America. And against, just quick clarification, and against Jewish groups like Jewish Voice for Peace or If Not Now. Right. What would they have thought? What would the donor class have thought of the happy, intellectual, open, beautiful conversation we all had last night at that bar on the Lower East Side. Well, they want to make sure that it doesn't occur in any public space. And the last thing that anyone affiliated with Zionism, and particularly the Zionist billionaire class wants, is for Jews to enjoy a normal life here in the United States or in Europe,

because that would invalidate the whole Zionist project, which justifies its existence and perpetuation on the backs of Palestinians as a sanctuary for Jews. Well, we don't need that sanctuary. We're doing fine here. And without them constantly fomenting conflict and driving anti-Semitism, we would just be like Episcopalians here. Doesn't strike me that you and your friends and your wife or I are Episcopalians. You know what I'm saying? I know what you mean. The real thesis of my talk at UMass was that October 7th has produced one of the ultimate mask-off moments. It's exposed all of our elite institutions and the Zionist control that's exerted over them.

But it also exposed Zionism itself. If Zionism is justified as a political project to keep Jews safe, as Theodor Herzl marketed it. Then what was October 7th? October 7th showed that Zionism and the state of Israel are the least safe place for Jews on the world. And now by nature, they aim to keep Jews in a state of perpetual fear and insecurity in order to keep getting the weapons, the money, and the political support from the Gentile authorities in Washington, those same Gentile authorities that voted for a bill that defines me as an anti-Semite. What is the status of fighting in Gaza? This morning, I woke up and heard a report that five Israeli soldiers were killed by friendly fire. I don't know where this happened. Can you enlighten us

on any of this? Yeah, I think that happened in the, I think, I believe that happened in the Jabalia refugee camp in the north of Gaza. And I think the number of deaths is higher, or there are seven extreme injuries. That was the result of a sophisticated raid by the al-Qassam brigades against three armored vehicles of the Israeli forces, which led to the Israelis coming in. They can't do anything without massive fire support. They can't fight face to face. And so when they came under attack, they called in massive airstrikes, which wound up killing the rescue team as the Qassam fighters escaped the tunnels. Now, let's step away from the details. What we're witnessing in Jabalia is a portrait of Israeli military failure. Israel went in hard in Jabalia, destroyed that entire

refugee camp throughout the months of November and December, killed so many people. There were hideous massacres. They dropped 2,000-pound JDAM bombs there to get one Hamas operative. Joe Biden's bombs. Biden bombs. And in January, they left claiming an operational hold, that they had taken out the Hamas brigades there. And now they're back because they totally failed. Hamas is reconfiguring both as a military force and as a government. And they are taking bodies. The Israelis are taking bodies. You could say that what Hamas is doing is kind of a form of a counteroffensive. Israel is also taking bodies east of Gaza City in the Al Zaytoun neighborhood. And as they advance in Rafah in southern Gaza, they're also facing very, very harsh resistance from all of the resistance factions, not just the Al-Qassam brigades, which are also able to still keep up some rocket volleys

against Israeli Jews-only communities in the so-called Gaza envelope, which keeps the population, the Israeli population, from coming back there. So we are witnessing seven months in, coming up on eight months, a complete Israeli military failure. Biden has just had to authorize over $850 million of arms in a shipment to Israel after this phony pause of bombs to Israel. And he's doing it because Israel cannot survive without it. They can't defeat this besieged force of guerrillas, let alone Hezbollah or Iran. They failed to release the hostages. They're not going to be able to take Hamas out.

And the U.S. is not budging on their line of regime change in Gaza. Well, what is the situation with Rafah? Is there some division in the Israeli cabinet over Rafah, or are they united on Rafah but divided on what's going to happen when the war is over? Well, the war cabinet voted unanimously to go into Rafah, which was Netanyahu's plan. And the whole point of Rafah, there are really two goals there. And I don't actually think they're military. They're both political. One is to put pressure on Hamas because there's a negotiating stalemate. The Egyptians are threatening to pull out of Doha negotiations because they're so sick of what the Israelis are doing in Rafah,

and they're not extracting the same benefits they used to by basically being America and Israel's poodle. They're facing catastrophe if the border opens up from Rafah. And the other goal is basically to postpone the political destabilization of Israel once this governing coalition collapses, which will happen as soon as there's a ceasefire. And we've talked about that again and again. So they're going into Rafah, they're saying they have to go into Rafah to take out the four remaining Hamas brigades. But as we saw in the north of Gaza, where they destroyed everything, committed industrial slaughter of women and children, they're not going to be able to get it done in Rafah. All they've done so far is cause a terrible humanitarian catastrophe. We can see that the aid after Tony Blinken personally visited the Karam Shalom checkpoint where all the aid was going in, none of it's going in.

Much of it is not going in anymore. People are beginning to starve in and around Rafah. We're talking about 1.5 million people, war refugees. I just spoke to a friend who was in Rafah, an American who actually managed to get in with an aid delegation. And she showed me shocking pictures from inside the hospitals, including of a five-month-old baby who she met through the doctor who saved the baby. They found the baby alive in a tree after an Israeli airstrike had hit her home and killed her and entire family. So that's what the people of Rafa are facing. Is the return of the hostages even on Netanyahu's radar?

No, it's remarkable. They have no intention of getting the hostages back. And, you know, that's been obvious for months. It couldn't be more obvious now because they've rejected every possibility at ceasefire. Hamas accepted a ceasefire unexpectedly, and Israel responded by carpet bombing Rafah and sending its troops towards the east of the city. So I think it's pretty obvious to the families that Israel doesn't care. And for the first time, Hamas has provided proof of life of some of the American hostages. But what is the U.S.? What is Biden doing to pressure Israel to stop a symbolic pause, followed by almost a billion dollars of an emergency re-up of arms to Israel? Well, all that is going to some of that, at least, is going to be used to kill more hostages in this Hannibal Directive policy

that Israel is waging to actually kill the hostages to deny Hamas political leverage in the negotiations in Doha. I just want to show you an American senator at his extreme worst. You and I have criticized him and even mocked him in the past. But here he is last Sunday on Meet the Press. I won't even tell you his name, but you'll know the face and the voice in a heartbeat. Cut number nine, Chris. Historians would say, why is it OK for Reagan to do it and not President Biden? But let me ask you about. Well, why is it OK?

Well, can I say this? Why is it OK for America to not to to drop two nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki to end their existential threat war? Why was it OK for us to do that? I thought it was OK to Israel. Do whatever you have to do to survive as a jewish state again military officials say whatever you have to do has changed but let me ask you about how yeah these military officials that you're talking about let me ask you something crap i mean how do you how do you even respond to a maniac like that who wants to suggest that it was somehow moral for the United States to slaughter innocent Japanese civilians by dropping atomic bombs on them and suggesting that Netanyahu, what, should do the same?

As if they haven't slaughtered enough innocents in Gaza? Well, apparently this is what Israel wants to do. Lindsey Graham is advancing Israeli interest by calling for a nuclear strike on Gaza, as though it would be limited to people in Gaza, and the radiation fallout wouldn't actually kill the precious Jewish civilians of Israel on the other side. How could Jared Kushner develop the beaches if they had been infected by radiation from Joe Biden or from Israel's atomic bombs? This is just insane what he's saying. Are there instances of young people, young Jewish people attacking the delivery of aid to Gaza? Well, we have copious video evidence, and we produced a documentary by our contributor, Jeremy Lafredo, where he actually accompanied those young Jewish settlers to the periphery of Gaza, where they actually began attacking aid trucks. What are we watching now? Well, we're watching, these are young Jewish settlers at a crossing in which trucks traveled

from the Palestinian city of Hebron through the West Bank towards Gaza, and they're just throwing aid away. These are settlers who we pay for with our U.S. tax dollars, whether we believe it or not. And they have 501c3 nonprofits that support them like the Hebron Fund that the Treasury Department is never going to investigate, despite their obvious connection to acts of extremist terror in the West Bank. We're sustaining them. We're also paying for that aid. That's the aid we pay for. And they're throwing it out.

In order to conduct, to perpetuate a genocide, they openly stated to Jeremy Lafredo, our contributor, that the goal of this was to starve the people of Gaza, to starve them out. And that's a genocide that Secretary of State Tony Blinken explicitly denies is taking place. I don't think we've ever seen in our lifetimes a clearer case of genocide being committed. This is it. This is what the entire system after the Nuremberg trials, the post-World War II system, was erected, was created to stop. And here you have Secretary Tony Blinken coming in, an ardent Zionist with the rules-based order, imposing it in order to subvert that system of international law and to extend a genocide while denying it's being committed. This week, someone named Ari Nair, who is a functionary of George Soros, helped Ken Roth start Human Rights Watch, kind of to advance the overthrow of post-Soviet

governments that weren't going along with the United States after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of the Soviet Union. Someone who's not exactly, someone who I wouldn't exactly call an anti-Israel ideologue, declaring in the New York Review of Books, the sort of journal of the liberal intelligentsia New York, also sponsored by Soros, declaring that Israel is in fact committing genocide. And he pointed to the obstruction of aid deliveries. I don't know why he couldn't look at the industrial slaughter of children as an example, but he pointed directly to videos like this, scenes like this, as proof that Israel's committing

genocide. So I think more of the sort of liberal class that had supported kind of a liberal Zionist two-state solution is beginning to see the reality here. And that's that these settlers actually control the Israeli government and they want nothing less than the full extermination of everyone in Gaza and all Palestinians and all challenges to Jewish supremacy between the river and the sea. Max, I'll let you go. Thank you very much. But I have to say that you and Anya and Aaron and your colleagues at the gray zone are simply a gift to the American people who want to know exactly what is going on in Israel and what strings are being pulled here in the United States

and your courage is simply over the top. Oh, by the way, did Bobby Kennedy ever get back to you on your offer to debate him, which I offered to provide the platform for and moderate because I didn't hear back from him? No, I think a little brain worm named Shmuley Botiek got in the way. But thank you for the really kind words, Judge. At know, at the Gray Zone, we're providing journalism as a free public service, and we couldn't do it without everyone who's supporting us, including you, just giving us this platform. So it was really great meeting you and we look forward to collaborating more. Thank you. All the best. We'll see you next week. Thank you, my friend. Thank you. Wow. Another extraordinarily

brilliant and courageous person that I am deeply grateful for having on the show. Tomorrow, Friday, end of the week, two o'clock, Colonel Larry Wilkerson, three o'clock, Eastern Times, of course, three o'clock, Professor John Mearsheimer, five o'clock, Eastern Times, of course. Three o'clock, Professor John Mearsheimer. Five o'clock, end of the day, end of the week, everybody's favorite, Intelligence Community Roundtable, Larry Johnson, Ray McGovern, and me. Judge Napolitano for judging freedom. I'm out.