Judging Freedom - Phil Giraldi: A Ceasefire or a Fraud?

Episode Date: January 29, 2025

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Thank you. Hi, everyone. Judge Andrew Napolitano here for Judging Freedom. Today is Wednesday, January 29th, 2025. Phil Giraldi joins us now. Phil, always a pleasure. You have a great piece out at the UN's review and elsewhere about what to expect next between the United States and Israel. And I want to explore many of the ideas that you have put into it. But first, do you think that Trump shares Joe Biden's contempt for the personal freedom of the Palestinian people? You know, that's a good question, because I'm not really sure that that's the kind of thing that goes through Trump's brain. I don't think that he, you know, basically looks in personal terms at the victims of his policies. Joe Biden was a much different creature. He was somewhat moralistic,

and obviously he was and is so on board of the Israeli train that for him to be exterminating the Palestinians, to give Lebensraum for the Israelis is a no-brainer. Trump, I think, is a little more complicated. I think that he basically does not consider Palestinians to be important because they don't really impact in what he does and how he does it and how he works his relationship. So I think he's equally disposed to sending them into

the Sinai desert to starve. But the fact is that he doesn't quite think of it as in moralistic terms. Interesting, interesting observations. What about Netanyahu? Do you think that Trump shares, he'd never admit this publicly, Biden's subservience to Netanyahu? Again, I think that's a little more complicated because I think Trump, of course, has an enormous ego and sense of self, which would draw a line in the sand, I think, on dealing with Netanyahu. relationship with Israel you would realize that most of what went on didn't come from Trump it came from the ambassador that Trump had appointed in Israel he was more or less the spokesman for the policy and I think that that's how Trump kind of keeps his distance I think this time around we'll find out next Tuesday when Netanyahu will be in town. And I certainly hope he will be able to address Congress again, since that was so delightful the last time around. I think that in this case, we're going to see some kind of leveling out of the relationship driven by Trump. And it is, in fact, that Trump was the one who invited Netanyahu as the first

foreign head of state to visit him in the White House. That tells you something. He's got something in the back of his head that's telling him he's got to establish a certain kind of relationship. I wonder if he'll play a clip of Jeff Sachs' speech at Cambridge University, the same one that he played on his Truth Social. Yeah, I wish he would. And I wish actually, here's my dream. This is my dream, that Netanyahu lands here and we immediately arrest him because of the ICJ warrants. I would love to see that, but I have no high expectations. He could be arrested by state authorities over whom Trump has no jurisdiction, although I doubt very much that that will happen. Does Trump control Netanyahu,

or does Netanyahu control Trump? Now, control, of course, I mean, with respect to Netanyahu controlling Trump, would be through all of Netanyahu's acolytes and wealthy donors in the U.S. I mean, McGregor, who, of course, is more a military analyst than a political analyst, is convinced that Trump would not have been elected, but for the vast and overwhelming support of the donor class in the U.S. and that Trump knows that. Well, that is, I think, a good bit of analysis. I share that suspicion to a certain extent, but I think that the answer is actually, in some ways, that answer is a little bit deceptive. Because to my mind, the control comes from the Israel lobby in the United States.

And that's there and available for Netanyahu or anyone else who is Israeli prime minister. So I think that's where it comes from. And it's quite right to point to the money. We're talking about something like $300 million that came from Jewish sources to Trump this time around. And also a considerable sum, of course, went to Biden. So this is money talks, nobody walks. And that's what we're seeing with the Israel lobby in the United States and the power that it wields.

It means whoever is the president is, to a certain extent, a cipher. of course in congress too where uh congress has been bought bought completely and is spied on completely by the israel lobby as uh as some congressmen have recently revealed and uh but they get away with it they get away with it because of their power over the media and their power to to shape the narrative And I was, I'm down in the dumps of this is just going to continue. Is Donald Trump going to become a genocide Donald? Well, I would bet yes. Because it seems to me that based on statements from Netanyahu to his own people, that Trump has basically conceded to him already that if this so-called ceasefire, and I do call it

a so-called ceasefire, goes the wrong way in terms of Netanyahu's politics and his instincts uh he he's going to be able to uh drop those 2 000 pound moms that donald trump has just released 1800 of um and he's going to be able to use them to kill the rest of the gaza good god palestinians in in palestine itself on the West Bank. 1800. McGregor advises that there is no purpose for a 2,000-pound bomb unless you want to destroy an urban area. Yeah, that's right. Or you just want to kill people on the ground. But the fact is the urban area would be the existing Palestinian cities towns on the West Bank which they are doing their best to kill even as we speak uh with the attacks on geninine and elsewhere there is no question but in the next year if Trump lets them get away with it uh we're gonna find palestine uh essentially uh written off the

map just like the gulf of mexico and uh i it will be gone and it will be uh absorbed into israel and depending again on where trump sees it his own interest in this, personal interest, personal ego, Netanyahu will get away with it. Well, what are they going to do with two million Palestinians? The Egyptians are not going to take them. According to McGregor, al-Sisi would be removed from office in a heartbeat. King Abdullah is not going to take them. According to McGregor, he'd be overthrown in a heartbeat. What are they going to do? Slaughter a million people? Will the world stand by and allow that to happen?

Well, it could be that they've already slaughtered 800,000, according to the British medical publication Lancet. That's one of their estimates for the the possible numbers of bodies that are buried in the rubble in gaza so yeah they have no 800 800 000 yeah yeah and and and look at some of the some of the statements that are coming out of ben gavir and Smotrich and others, they have no hesitation with killing these people. These people are animals. They're born to be slaves or killed. And that's what they really believe. And that's what's so sickening about the US support for these monsters. Well, what happens next, Phil?

Well, as I say, I would love to see somebody develop a backbone in Washington and tell Netanyahu to get the hell out of here. The weapons are not coming anymore. The money's not coming anymore. You're committing the grossest war crime since the Second World War, without a doubt, and we are not going to support you. That's what I would like to see, but I don't expect that at all. I expect that there's going to be some, I would expect there already been some sort of negotiated fallback positions that will enable the Israelis to do whatever they want. Just as they got away with with the ceasefire, the phony ceasefire negotiated by the United States, by Amos Hochstein, an Israeli and a former IDF army veteran who was our negotiator for Joe Biden. We know that that was phony. Do you believe the current ceasefire is phony also?

Yeah, I believe it's essentially phony in the same way, that essentially there is no authority that makes sure that everyone is in compliance on it so the israelis will pull the same trick that they pull time and again uh which is always to get into one of these deals and then renege by saying that the other side is failing in its responsibility they do this again and again and again. They've done it, of course, most recently, as we just mentioned, in South Lebanon, and they're doing the same thing in Syria.

And they'll do the same thing to Gaza, and they'll do the same thing to the West Bank. Trump just announced he's signing an executive order to deport illegal aliens to Guantanamo Bay. When I saw the headline, Trump announces plans on Guantanamo Bay, my heart jumped. I thought, oh my God, are we finally going to close this devil's island. Now I have been there, it's a prison that cannot hold 30,000, it can't even hold 1,000.

But he just announced at a signing of legislation called the Lake and Riley Act, which is an abomination because it authorizes punishment before conviction. He announced that he's about to sign an order directing the incarceration of 30,000 illegal aliens at Guantanamo Bay. I guess we need to know more about it. This may be another one of these things where he shot from the hip like when he said last week the Russians have lost a million troops and the country is suffering and Putin's leadership is being disparaged when of course none of that is true well the estimates I've seen are that there are, as a result of the Biden policies, 11 million illegal immigrants in

the United States. So this is just a ridiculous bit of theater. And this is obscene. what can I say yeah yeah all right well um on Ukraine is the spigot still open do we know the phone is ringing the background it'll stop in a second oh my God I was wondering that sounds like Beethoven I was wondering where that's coming from. No, it's Mozart. No. All right. I forget what I had just asked you.

Yeah, no, you asked me about whether the spigot was still open. The short answer to that is that it depends on who you talk to. The Pentagon is saying the spigot is open, that these weapons and the money have already been funneled into the system. And the White House, as far as I can tell, is saying, no, it's not. So that's a good question. Well, again, according to McGregor, Trump has told his acolytes that this is very untrumpian. He feels bound by the orders of the Congress and the commitments of the Biden administration. That's absurd. He could turn that spigot off with a phone call or the stroke of a pen in two minutes. I would imagine if the spigot has been closed, we would have heard from President Zelensky by now, would we not? Yeah, I suspect you're right. I mean, those on the receiving end would be the ones who would

feel the pain and they would be the first ones to be screaming. You're right, I haven't seen anything coming out of the Zelensky administration unless there's some kind of behind-the-scenes negotiation or something else going on, but that's possibly the case. So, Zelensky about an hour ago insulted President Putin, putin is afraid to negotiate with him because putin fears strong leaders and he zielinski is a strong leader i mean this is absurd he isn't even the lawful leader of the government and yet he's making wisecracks like this yeah he's the guy that was doing those, shall we say, rather clownish dances when he was back as a comedian. He's still a comedian. I mean, Trump's only been in office 10 days, but is there any difference in his Israeli policy

and his Ukraine policy from that of his deplorable predecessor? I think you would have to dig real deep. And no, I don't see anything unless there are, you know, people that are involved in these processes that he's trying to fire in the U.S. government, which I don't know. Nobody's really come up with a list of how the getting rid of 2 million employees will impact on certain areas. But no, as far as I can tell, there's no difference between the two. And again, let's get back to the fact that trump has invited benjamin netanyahu as his first guest um in the white house so there's uh there there's certain signals being given here that suggests that uh businesses as usual and you know the speaker of the house of Representatives who really controls those joint sessions is an ardent Christian Zionist

who would love nothing more than to welcome Netanyahu to a joint session of Congress yet again so that the Congress can fawn all over him. On the other hand, maybe Netanyahu is going to fly to Las Vegas to meet his control person in the United States. And we all know who that is. Yeah, Miriam. Right. Right. What are the possibilities that we can go to the airport and do a citizen's arrest on Netanyahu? Is that a possibility?

You know, I'd have to check the laws on citizens' arrests. They'll probably land at Dulles, which is in Virginia. I would imagine that Virginia, being an old southern state, part of the Confederacy, probably still has citizens' arrests on its books. If you want to go, we'll get a camera crew there and I'll join you. I guess we really shouldn't be laughing about this. How much longer can Zelensky's government last, Phil? Well, if they pull the plug on money it's getting uh as well as weapons uh it would i i think i saw some predictions today they were just kind of off the cuff but they were saying that if that were the case he's finished he's he's finished right now uh when he would have to

actually formally declare that they surrendered uh who knows but uh the the lifeline is the cia still there and are they still gathering intel to report to uh john radcliffe and then eventually to the president sure i mean if the if the the embassy is still there which it is the cia station is in the embassy and uh sure it would be there and they'd be collecting information they probably have uh i'm just guessing this but they probably have all kinds of sources within the so-called zelensky government who are telling all kinds of things and i wouldn't want to be in that position to try to figure out what is what is true and what is false would they be on the ground in kyrsk that is with cia operatives actually be on the ground in russia sure sure there is a cia station in Moscow, and there are CIA people undercover of various kinds,

either State Department or military or even civilian cover. That would be called deep cover. And I'm sure they're active. I'm sure they're more active than they want to be right at the moment. I wonder if Trump gets the same doctored intel that Biden did, or if the truth is making its way through to him. You know, he doesn't like, he doesn't read, as we know. He doesn't like long debriefings. He usually takes them over himself. But at some point, somebody's got to tell him what's going on on the ground, no? Well, Ray McGovern would probably have a better feel for that than I.

But the fact is that there certainly is a briefing that goes to him daily, the daily brief, and it's now sent over by the DNI, the Office of National Intelligence. That'll be, I hope, Tulsi Gabbard. And so I don't know who's delivering it to him now. It might just be a staffer, but the word on the street within the intelligence community has long been that Trump is not interested in intelligence briefings. And he doesn't pay attention to them.

And he essentially gets his briefings from his apparatchiks, the people that are ideologically loyal to him and sound in terms of what their thoughts are and that kind of thing. That's certainly what I've been hearing. Well, that probably means you're a friend, Sebastian Gorka. Absolutely. Or people of that mentality. Wow. Phil, thank you very much for your time. Much appreciated. You are going to be on a Newsmax show. I look forward to seeing you there. Thank you. Thank you very much. See you there.

Sure. Yep. All the best. Coming up tomorrow at 8 in the morning, Professor Gilbert Doctorow at 1 in the afternoon, Aaron Maté at 2 in the afternoon, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson at 3 in the afternoon. Professor John Mearsheimer, Justin Napolitano for Judging Freedom. Thank you.