Judging Freedom - Phil Giraldi: The CIA and its Lies

Episode Date: December 29, 2023

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can give you peace of mind, the peace of mind you deserve. 800-511-4620, learjudgenap.com. And when you speak to these good folks, tell them the judge sent you. Phil Giraldi, welcome back to the show, my dear friend. What role, if any, does the CIA play in the slaughter in Gaza? Well, that's a little bit hard to judge. Clearly, the CIA is in direct liaison with the top levels of intelligence in Israel. And the director, in fact, has been there a number of times. And in fact, he's been kind of labeled as as the main contact in some senses between the White House, between the president and Netanyahu and the people immediately around them. So the there clearly is a channel there. The channel is obviously two ways. It just depends on how you want to read it. I rather suspect that we are in a situation where essentially Biden is afraid to confront

Netanyahu for some of the things that the army is doing in Gaza, which make the US and Israel look bad. I would think the more direct everyday contacts are through the military. I'm sure you've read this article about how right up till now, since October 7th, the United States has provided 10,000 tons of military equipment. I mean, this is almost unfathomable. Wow. So if the Netanyahu government says 10 Israeli soldiers were killed, but it really is 50, would the CIA know that and be in a position to contradict them? I mean, stated differently, are there CIA assets on the ground in Gaza reporting back to Langley about what's happening or even coordinating with Israeli intelligence? I would bet there are. if you went to the government and asked them if there was a presence of intelligence officers or military officers, they would tell you, oh, no, no, no boots on the ground. But we've seen in the case of Ukraine, that's a lie. So I would suspect they're right up front there, if only

to be able to serve as intermediaries in terms of the use of some of these weapons systems and also probably intelligence equipment that is analogous in terms of offensive equipment. And I would imagine there are people on the ground for that. They might be undercover as contractors or something else. It might even be diplomats cover, but I'm sure they're there. Does the CIA get involved in military activities, in violence? Now, I'm not talking about overthrowing Allende or anything like that, but would CIA personnel, full-time CIA employees or outside contractors, be dressed in military garb and fighting with or assisting or helping the IDF commit its horrific acts in Gaza? I'm trying to determine from your unique experience and knowledge of how the agency works, the level and extent of American involvement in these war crimes. Well, the simple answer to that is absolutely. a major division which is a special operations division which is uh essentially um former uh

special operations soldiers who are retired or are have spent three years or five years or six years with special operations and after that they want to go in with cia and these people generally are in civilian attire, but they will go into sort of a halfway uniform if that's justified by the circumstances. These people were very active in Afghanistan. They were very active in Iraq. And they were also very active in Libya. And the answer there is. Yes. What would American what would American CIA do in the case of the IDF murdering a woman and her baby inside a Roman Catholic church in Gaza? Would they stop it? Would they run to aid the victims? Would they caution against it, or would they be indifferent? Well, I don't think anyone could be indifferent to that, but I would think that there

are a couple things at play there. It depends to what extent that person is integrated in what the Israelis are doing, whether he or she is armed. So there are a number of things that qualify the answer. I would think that the United States CIA Special Operations Group people would go by the International and Geneva Convention rules of war, which would mean they should intervene to stop something like that going on. Though I can imagine there are cases where at a minimum, they will advise the Israelis not to do what they're about to do. But I would like to think that they might physically try to stop them. I don't know this for, obviously, a fact. None of us do. But the atrocities that are taking place, including killing people and then taking their organs, which we've been reading about today, this stuff is just unspeakable.

Why are they taking their organs? Is it to desecrate the body and humiliate the family, or is it for medical purposes? It's to sell. Israel has long been a center for organ sales throughout Europe and other parts of the world, and many of the organs that are taken are from Palestinian prisoners who somehow seem to die in custody. So this is well known. This has been reported for years, and it's suspected that they're doing the same thing now with Hamas and also with people who are being arrested and dying on the West Bank. Has the UN served any purpose, any beneficial purpose in the slaughter in Gaza?

Well, the UN is playing a role which is that it's unable to stop it. The resolution that was voted on last Saturday, which was originated by the United Arab Emirates, would have called for effectively a ceasefire, which would allow a greatly increased flow of medicine and food in particular into Gaza. But the United States, acting for Israel, complicit in this with Israel, got all that language struck out of the resolution. So the resolution only kind of hinted that if conditions were appropriate, there might be a suspension of some fighting, and that Israel, rather than the United Nations, would control the

entry and management of medicine and food coming in. So what result did that produce, which is food and medicine are coming in at a low level, just as they were, and the fighting has continued. So the United Nations has been totally ineffective, but that's largely due to the use of the United States veto on behalf of Israel. Even if the United States had not vetoed the original resolution calling for a ceasefire, does the UN have the wherewithal to enforce the ceasefire against the wishes of the Netanyahu government, or is it just moral suasion that the UN has? Well, actually, the Security Council resolutions have force behind them. The one that went through on Saturday was 13 votes in favor and two votes abstained,

which were the United States and Russia. The United States abstained for no stated reason, and Russia abstained because it said, look, the United States has made this resolution toothless. It's ineffective. The Security Council can start a war. Korea, for example, that was a Security Council war. So it has teeth in it, although the countries in the UN have to volunteer troops and they have to get behind it. But if the Security Council votes by 13 to 2 abstentions, that's a pretty strong voice. And it would have gone through but for the United States and Israel. Okay. Is it realistic that the IDF can eliminate Hamas, or is Netanyahu's stated goal physically and militarily and even philosophically impossible? Well, it's a difficult question to answer without knowing more to what really is going on on the ground. There are some estimates that the Israelis have already had killed

hundreds of Israeli soldiers in the conflict. Wait, Hamas has killed hundreds of Israeli soldiers? Well, between what the Israelis did when they counterattacked on the 7th, where they killed a lot of their own soldiers apparently, and what Hamas has managed to kill. So there have been a lot of casualties, but this is not being directly acknowledged by the Israeli government or by the U.S. government, which probably knows exactly what's going on. So we don't know a lot of things about the fighting. There are a lot of stories starting to appear, even in the New York Times, about how in today's New York Times, about the goal of clearing Hamas out of Gaza that Netanyahu keeps citing is probably undoable. But they have an alternative plan, which is basically to perform a complete genocide,

force all of the people currently in Gaza out or kill them. And that's another plan. Let's move across the ocean. What is the 10-7 Project here in the United States? The 10-7 Project is a plan that has recently been set up by six or seven leading jewish organizations in the united states uh including aipac and these organizations are are waging war basically on people in the united states who are critical of what israel is doing so this is a full frontal fully funded uh counter-attack against any kind of sentiments that are saying that israel shouldn't be doing what it's doing it's killing too many civilians you you know, et cetera, et cetera, going on from there. This is something that includes what we've seen a bit of already, which is that people who are part of the peace movement are being identified and put on lists so that they will be unable to get jobs after they graduate from college. This is how vicious

and how I think underhanded this whole thing is. If one were to do that from the other direction, can you imagine putting Jewish students who were supporters of the horrible atrocities that Israel is committing and put them on a list. I can imagine the stink that would be in the media and coming out of Congress and the White House. So if you're on the Columbia University campus, I'll just pick Columbia because it gets in the news a lot where I live, and you're chanting, from the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free, you run the risk, if you're a law student, of not even getting interviewed by a major New York City law firm, and if you're an undergraduate, of being put on this list that the 10-7 project people will

put you on. Yeah, that's precisely what they're doing it's uh they're putting on the list up in harvard at harvard um they were actually going around with trucks that had the pictures of the students who were supporting uh um a a ceasefire in Gaza. And these people had their pictures and their names on these panel trucks going around town, just driving around at random. And these lists were also being made to major law firms and other normal sources of hiring for Harvard graduates. And so this is very active. It's very much going on. Is their goal to suppress the freedom of speech and the freedom of assembly? I guess it is. Their goal is to have freedom of speech only if you say nice things about Israel.

And if you criticize the Netanyahu government in public um what is the what is the response that they will uh trigger according to the former Israeli government minister shulamat aloni well the they will call you an anti-semite uh whether there's any evidence for that or not. They will probably, if they really want to pile on, they'll make a claim that you're also a so-called Holocaust denier. And they will do other things to you. You know, they have a lot of money. They have a lot of access to power. And they're going to pull all the stops out.

Look at this poor woman, president of Harvard University. The Congress is investigating her, her scholarly works, for plagiarism. Have you ever heard of Congress investigating an academic over plagiarism? The last time I checked, plagiarism is not in the federal statutes nor in the Constitution. But I suppose if the target is perceived as not being sufficiently pro-Netanyahu government, and the members of Congress want to be perceived as sufficiently pro-Netanyahu government, they don't give a damn about the Constitution or the statutes or the freedom of speech. This fellow Shalom Adeloni, whom you quoted as saying, well, it's a trick. We always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing

Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When from the U.S. people are criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust, when from the U.S. people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic. I'm kind of surprised he said this. It's the former Israeli government minister. Maybe he doesn't care for Netanyahu. What does he mean it's a trick? Well, first of all, it's a woman. Oh, I beg your pardon. I didn't know the name, so thank you for the correction. What does she mean that it's a trick? Well, what she means is it's a way of shutting down the conversation. And she also, in her comment, went on to say that this provides cover for how the Israelis are treating the Palestinians. In other words, they can do anything to the Palestinians because they can disarm all criticism by mentioning either the Holocaust

or anti-Semitism. And of course, it has worked. Look at the guilt trip that Europe is going on now. They're putting people in prison for publicly saying that what's going on in Gaza, the killing is too much. In France and Germany, you go to jail for that. And in Britain, if you go out and demonstrate, they will put you in jail. And so this is what's coming. I was going to ask you how the countries of the EU come down on the moral issue of the genocide in Gaza. So how do countries like Switzerland, Italy, Spain, Portugal come down on this? Well, again, they dodge the issue. They see it as most of the countries in Europe,

there are major demonstrations taking place by the public because the public is outraged by seeing all these dead baby bodies lined up in Gaza. And the news stories about people going in to churches and shooting people who are sheltering there and who are going into apartment buildings and killing everyone they see. And they're going to the Oregon story. I mean, these things just go on and on and on. But the Europeans don't want to address these things. But ultimately, if the public is active enough, they're going to have to.

And I think we're hopefully moving in that direction in the U.S., where the public is getting a little tired of the Israel saga. And maybe it will eventually produce a result. I don't see the outrage, Phil. I wish there were outrage. There's outrage here on this program from you and our regular guests, but I just don't see the international outrage. I can't remember the last time a slaughter like this was covered on cable TV and all the other news outlets that we have today, and the major governments of the Western world were effectively silent or pretending to be indifferent or are indifferent or supporting it like the US.

Yeah, I mean, you're right, but I tend to see something a little different. You know, I'm kind of connected with a lot of anti-war type groups. Okay. And I hear from them from the inside and the things that are going on i think there's a there's a like an iceberg you know about uh 80 of of what is going on is probably hidden because the media is not reporting any of it certainly the government's not going to say anything what what do you expect to be going on from these people and a lot of them are friends of yours and, but what do you think they're going to do or what do they think is going to happen?

Yeah, it's always the what to do question. Right. Certainly, we people who are identified as anti-war, in a sense, are not going to be trying to overthrow the government. So what we can do is just make our voices heard. We can, in those areas where there is opposition to what is going on, we can help support them financially. We can work with them. And we have to hope for the good angels to somehow come out of this. If this fighting goes on, as israeli uh chief of staff predicted yesterday for months more there are going to be tens of thousands of gazans who are dead and god

knows what the final solution is and i use the word final solution uh advisedly that are these people all going to get killed? Are they going to get forced to get pushed into Sinai if the Egyptians will even let them do that? I mean, this is just a, this is the major, the worst genocide tragedy in memory, in memory since the Second World War. And we as a government are absolutely complicit in it. And we Americans have to speak up in as much as we can. Are you concerned about a false flag? Chris, can you put up the full screen of the quote from President Biden? Here's what was attributed to him just a few hours ago. I think he's on vacation. The president places no higher priority than the protection of

American personnel serving in harm's way. The United States will act at a time and in a manner of our choosing should these attacks continue. The reference to the attacks is so-called the terrorist attacks on American troops in Iraq. What American troops in Iraq are doing there, who knows, part of American empire. But my question to you is, is this going to be an excuse to commence an American land war, or at least an American invasion of Iran, because what Joe Biden is referring to, or what his spokesperson, put it up again, please, Chris, what his spokesperson is referring to there is the use of American military power to hit sites in Iran from which supposedly these terrorist groups find support?

Well, the fact is that we are illegally in Syria and Iraq where these attacks are taking place. We are there illegally. That's the first thing to be mindful of. But the issue here is that, yeah, Benjamin Netanyahu wants the United States to attack Iran. So here we have weak at the knees Joe Biden doing anything that Netanyahu wants. I would predict that in a matter of days, weeks, certainly, we are going to have some kind of counteroffensive against Iran. And this is really what the objective of this tit-for-tat is. And this is a very dangerous move. Iran has than uh than many of the countries in the region and certainly could strike back wow phil giraldi on this christmas week it's a

pleasure no matter what we talk about or how grim our conversation thank you very much for joining us my dear friend thank you and uh belated merry christmas and an early Happy New Year to you, Phil. And to you. Thank you. Thank you. Coming up at four o'clock, the inimitable Ray McGovern on all these same topics. Judge Napolitano for Judging Freedom. Thanks for watching!