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you Hi everyone, Judge Andrew Napolitano here for Judging Freedom.
Today is Wednesday, July 9th, 2025.
Professor Gilbert Doctorow will be here with us in just a moment on a Russian view of war,
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Professor Doctorow, good day to you, my friend.
Welcome here.
Thank you for accommodating my schedule.
What is the status of the special military operation
as you understand it from the perspective
of the Kremlin as we speak?
They're not calling it a major operation, but de facto it is. The Russians aerial attacks on Ukraine have increased dramatically in the last several
weeks.
The last couple of days there were something like 700 missiles and drones fired at various cities
in Ukraine.
The projection is that in the coming days the numbers will rise to more than a thousand
a day.
Now maybe 10% of that will be missiles, 90% will be drones, but the drones are quite destructive. This geranium, as they call it, attack drone that the Russians are using in the last few
days has demonstrated itself to be very effective in demolishing gold buildings.
What is the level of participation, as far as you can tell, of President Putin himself
in military tactics. Stated differently, does he
give to his generals complete freedom to wage the war, or is he like Lyndon Johnson going over
maps with General Westmoreland? I doubt that it's the latter, but he certainly is influencing the pace, the tempo, the intensiveness
of the war, which has increased.
And I don't think the generals were deciding that on their own.
I think it was conferring with him on what comes next.
The Russians have taken advantage of the general silence in Russian-related affairs
that has set in during the Iran-Israeli war.
They are taking advantage of the summer season,
which is a good time for waging war in general
in that part of the world.
And they are fighting, so a very tough war.
And I'd like to distinguish my remarks
from what some peers are saying,
particularly the titles
that are given to their videos on YouTube, the various not very responsible platforms,
are speaking as if Ukraine is going to collapse tomorrow.
Nothing of the sort.
And I think the best proof of that is what happened in the last week. These last few days we saw the great importance of a send-off for a general,
lieutenant general, the most awarded, the highest awarded Russian warrior in decades. This is General
Gutkov, who was killed on the front lines. This is the very man whom you showed on this program
when Putin visited that submarine several months ago
and he was speaking to the sailors.
He was discussing with them the purposes
of a special military operation.
And he used the opportunity to elevate certain Gurtkov to be number two
or three persons in Russian armed forces in charge of all of the Marines.
This man came from the Far Eastern Marines.
But we saw him on television receiving this order, raising his rank.
And this week we saw Mr. Putin, President Putin giving the second medal hero of the
Russian Federation to his widow.
He was killed.
Now, why do I mention this?
It's important by itself, but how he died is important.
He was killed by incoming return fire from the Ukrainian side. Return fire.
This was, he was at an artillery station and that was hit by return artillery. That tells you that the Ukrainians are very
capable. They could spot instantly where the fire came from, and they could direct their
own fire against it. That is not the science.
Was the fire intended to assassinate him, or was his death a byproduct of the fire?
A byproduct. We only knew about these deaths because it was the Lieutenant General who
was killed. If it had just been ordinary soldiers, you never would have heard about it.
How deadly has been the Ukrainian counterattack, a portion of which you have just addressed?
Well, this was return fire.
It wasn't as such a move of large numbers of soldiers.
No, it was on the front lines.
It demonstrates the capability, the determination of the Ukrainian side to return fire, which
is not an easy thing to do. We also note in,
I think it was in today's Herald Tribune, the remark that the Ukrainians have now started
putting into service drones which are on fixed wires. That's to say these are very slender,
hair thin wires are attached. They can be several kilometers worth of wire.
And the advantage in this is that they are,
they are immune from usual counter strikes,
from destruction because they do not rely on GPS
or are vulnerable to electronic warfare.
Now, the Ukrainians just caught up with this. The Russians have been doing this or are vulnerable to electronic warfare.
Now the Ukrainians just caught up with this. The Russians have been doing this
for the last several months, which have great effect.
And here the Ukrainians are now in on the same thing.
So the Ukrainian side is by no means down the ropes.
It has very serious problems.
It says that it can recruit 25,000 men a month.
We know the Russians are recruiting 50,000 a month. So in terms of manpower, the Russians have a big advantage.
The Ukrainians are not out yet. And this is why the Russian activities today are much more
offensive, much more aggressive, and less scrupulous about civilian deaths.
Do you agree with Scott Ritter who says Ukraine is in hospice?
He likened the government, not the country, the government and the military to a patient who's
in hospice just trying to stay comfortable until the end of days.
and hospice just trying to stay comfortable until the end of days?
I agree with someone else, Nikolai Petrov,
who is a Ukrainian expert.
He doesn't usually come out with responding
to current situations, but he has come out saying
that Ukraine will collapse politically.
That's what I've been saying for some time.
It is not a pure military collapse, but a political collapse is entirely possible because
the situation is very strange.
There's a lot of resistance to the recruitment methods that are being used to fill those
25,000 slots that I mentioned before.
It's called impressment, a fancy phrase for kidnapping.
Yes. Now, one of the newest developments on the Russian side,
showing they're taking off their gloves, is that last week they have destroyed,
using these geranium attack drones, five recruitment centers across Ukraine, including in Kharkov.
They are playing on the antagonism between large strata of the Ukrainian population,
who otherwise are patriotic, and the methods of raising soldiers for the war that this
government is now using.
It is reasonable to understand that in a place like Kharkov,
a large part of the population would say very good that the Russians destroyed this.
Wow. How does the Kremlin view the American pause in the delivery of military equipment,
this on again, off again, on again, particularly
when the president claims he knew nothing about it.
Now it turns out the Secretary of Defense claims he knew nothing about it, that the
decision was made by his deputy who supposedly didn't tell him and thus nobody told the
president.
How does the Kremlin view that?
Well, the latest reading out, Jake, is on something still more recent than what you just discussed
That is Trump saying up the Russians are hitting so hard that we have to give Ukraine some more defensive weapons
well, the that was the news yesterday say on the
Vladimir Shalabiov show and it resulted in their mocking Trump, just
as they were mocking him when he said that he's not satisfied with Mr. Putin anymore.
For this Salovyov, who two days before was singing Trump's praises, well, that is history.
They were speaking of him yesterday in rather derogatory terms,
and with good reason, that Trump is making a fool of himself by flip-flopping day after day. I give
them, I don't give them. The most important point, I think, was made by Lovelloff in answer to this
very question. The giving more defensive weapons, that means, course patriots, 10 patriots, 10 patriots
that will last like one day in Ukrainian war, giving them more defensive weapons will have
no impact on the war.
We didn't learn anything from the Israeli war with Iran, it's that there is no such thing as an iron dome, that the best
and most densely established missiles, interceptors, are useless against the latest generation
of hypersonic missiles, of which Russia has plenty and is making many
more.
Therefore, whatever the United States gives in Trump's latest turn of events will not
help Ukraine.
Are the Russians using chemical weapons?
Well, this is of course the kind of thing that Russia's enemies in the States and elsewhere
would like to bring to the attention of the world public, and they will accuse Russia
without attempting to do any serious research.
Of course they're not.
It's like asking would the Russians use tactical nuclear weapons when they are doing so well with conventional weapons and they do even better if they introduce the Areshnik to the fight against Kiev,
it would be utterly stupid to violate international law and expose themselves to retribution from the world community. I ask that because of a question and a bizarre response.
I almost wonder if the question wasn't a plant
by those who want to smear Russia since as you indicate,
there's no evidence of this whatsoever.
But it was put to the president
who whispered to the secretary of defense,
who whispered back to the president,
who called on the director of the CIA, who basically made a statement of law,
not an acknowledgement of this.
But this is a fascinating back and forth, back and forth yesterday
in the midst of a two-hour, a nationally televised cabinet meeting.
Donald Trump, Pete Haig, Seth, John Radcliffe,
although the first voice you'll hear is a
little garbled, but it's a reporter who's trying to get to the bottom of this chemical
weapon issue.
Chris, cut number four.
I'm Ukraine.
Ukraine is the best international according to, I know after Russia for using toxic chemicals
in the fight.
Germany and the Netherlands have had intelligence saying that.
What does US intelligence believe and what do you believe about the use of chemical weapons?
Well, I'll ask John maybe to discuss it if you'd like, John.
Well, Mr. President, obviously chemical weapons, if it's documented in its use, it's illegal,
it's against all international laws of armed conflict and treaties.
And obviously I can't share in this room with this audience the intelligence that I can
share with you privately, but obviously you're not going to stand or allow for any violations
of international law by anyone.
That's right. Thank you. So you're not going to stand or allow for any violations of international law by anyone.
So the only thing interesting there to me, and of course you would have to have seen this because Chris put the words up on the screen since they just whispered it, was Trump saying to Hegseth, do you know anything about this, Pete? And Hegseth whispers back, no,
I don't, but John will. John being John Ratcliffe, the director of the CIA, who basically made an
incriminating statement about the Russians without mentioning them by name. I thought it was horrific
what he did. But anyway, what does the Kremlin think when they see nonsense like this? It's almost like a dog and pony show.
Well, I think they know what to expect with us in a cynical way, unfortunately. But let's
say that chemical weapons have not been used in this war in three years, but the Ukrainians
came very close to it. Not weapons as such, but attacks on production facilities
where there were dangerous chemicals
that they bombed for the sake
of releasing these chemicals into the neighborhood.
So the Kranians have been the ones who have been closest
in this three years of war to chemical warfare.
To confuse the Russians with that is the height of cynicism. Nothing of the sort has happened.
Is there any, before we jump to these fascinating events in Europe about which I know you want to
speak because you're a student of all this, but before we do, is there any pressure on President Putin
to ramp up the ferocity of the military activities?
Not today because that's exactly what he's doing.
I think people have satisfied his fiercest critics by the conduct of the war. The Russians are about to be launching 1,000 drones and missiles at Ukraine every day.
That is a record.
No one has maintained that or could maintain it for the indefinite period that Russia can.
Perhaps Iran with its 40,000 reported missiles could do something like that,
but it ended in 12 days.
The Russian war with Ukraine will go on as long as it takes,
and there's no question that Mr. Putin can persist in this very intense, destructive aerial warfare.
And by the way, this is not just missiles and it's not just drones.
I think the last few days there were 1,000 of these guided heavy bombs that were used
with enormous effect.
These aren't quite the 15,000 ton bombs that the US possesses. A thousand, a couple thousand, three thousand ton bombs can do a very good job.
What is the scandal in Europe involving the EU referred locally, referred to locally as
Pfizergate? locally referred to locally as Pfizer gate.
Here in Europe, justice works,
the millstones of justice work.
They grind very fine, but they grind very slowly.
The Pfizer gate scandal,
which is over the alleged abuse of authority
by the president of the European Commission, Ursula von der
Leyen.
This goes back to the last mandate she had before, not the current presidency, but the
previous presidency.
During the midst of the COVID pandemic, she concluded Pfizer a deal that was sealed by an SMS, which she
refused to release to court investigations. The European Court of Justice found this whole
case, which was brought several years ago, to be a violation of procedures of the European institutions.
How much money are we talking about?
It was $35 billion in contract to Pfizer, which was not held up to competition,
which was awarded on the say procedure of censure that will culminate tomorrow in
a vote in the parliament.
For those who would like to follow this, the most interesting, the most valuable speeches,
it's only two hours total time was allowed for this presentation of the censure motion.
That was itself scandalous because as one of the deputies in the parliament pointed
out, you are only allowing the heads of various groups, blocks of voters, of parliamentarians
and not members of those blocks who may have additional perspectives and may
differ with the heads of their group. In any case about two hours total is
on video. I think of the Irish Parliament video is the most valuable one. You can
find it on YouTube. Here's a one-minute version of one of the
members of the European Parliament. You sent this to us, ripping into her while she's seated right there.
Chris, cut number two.
Madam President von der Leyen, dear colleagues,
Europe deserves better than silence, better than opaque operations,
better than bureaucratic authoritarianism.
For six years now, you have been heading this commission,
and it's a Jupiter verticalism that you apply,
cut off from the people and all too often also cut off from the
values that founded our continent.
PfizerGate is not an administrative error.
It is a question of abuse of power.
35 billion euros.
The public denier negotiated by SMS without a call for dendists, without a mandate, without
transparency.
The Court of Justice of the European Union has upheld this.
You acted alone outside of any kind of democratic framework and therefore it's not just your
error, not your fault.
It's not just your error, not your fault. It's not just your fault, it is actually symbolic of an even graver drift,
namely the fact that Europe is being steered,
disregarding the people.
Under your authority, the Commission has become basically the extended arm
of corporations, foreign entities, sometimes far removed from our civilization.
You talk about transition, but millions of Europeans are experiencing this as punishment. So is that the Europe that you're defending, madam?
A Europe where decisions are taken without any debate?
No, I'm sorry, Mrs. von der Leyen.
This Europe is not our Europe.
Our Europe is the Europe of freedoms, the Europe that respects
identities, sovereignties and democratic choices, the Europe that will protect,
that will build, that listens, not the one that imposes.
What happens if, by the way I misheard what you said, I thought you said 35 million,
it's 35 billion with an extraordinary amount of money to be paid to
this pharmaceutical giant without any bidding or any public scrutiny. But what happens if
she loses the vote of no confidence? Is she out of office?
She would be, but it's not going to happen. Nonetheless, she has taken a beating, public
beating. I was listening very closely to my friend, Ray McGovern,
on his remarks from his first meetings in Germany,
where he's now traveling and giving speeches.
He emphasized the fact that in Europe,
and Germany in particular, censorship is much tighter
than we had before Mr. Trump opened his mouth
at the start of his first electoral campaign.
But we heard here what he just represented.
It's astounding.
We haven't heard such frank speech
in more than a decade here in Europe.
Now, who was that man?
And again, drive the point home.
This is Fabrice Lagerri. He is the number
three man in the PENS, Marine Le Pen's party, the national rally. Now, was there coverage of this
in European newspapers? Almost none. I live in Belgium. The Parliament is in Brussels. Le Soir, the French-speaking
newspaper of record here in Belgium, had not a word about these proceedings. Instead, their
front page yesterday was telling us about the investigation that is now ongoing into
misappropriation of funds by the PEN's European Parliament members.
Wow.
You see the point?
I do.
Mr. Legerri.
Okay.
That is European censorship.
It is cutting off the public from what is happening under its notes.
So I urge everyone to go to YouTube and look up these speeches because you will be astounded
first to see the unraveling of the parties that
make up the parliament.
We have here in Europe something that Musk would call Uniparty.
The European People's Party, of which Madame von der Leyen is a member, is aligned.
That is a right-of-center party with biggest constituent membership in Germany,
which is how she got elected to her position as president, is aligned with the Socialist
Democrats who are slightly on the left.
The two of them vote together on almost everything.
In the present composition of the European Parliament, however, they are not a bloc.
They vote separately on some different issues.
And I can tell you that if you listen to the whole two hours and you hear what the Socialists
and Democrats said, they're voting against the motion of censure, but they didn't vote
at a confidence in Anderlein. They accused her
and the European People's Party of aligning with the far right, with people like the PEN's
Party, to pass legislation which the socialists object to. Now this is a situation that you
have in Germany itself, where Merz's party voted with the alternative, the Deutschland, on certain measures
of restricting immigration.
What's going on at the pan-European level here in the European Parliament?
You have other parties basically on the left, which are of course completely against von
der Leyen.
Unfortunately, from my own experience, going back more than 10 years, when I was admitted to
conferences within the European Parliament. Professor, I'm gonna have to stop you only
because we have another commitment coming up in about 45 seconds, but this is a fascinating
subject matter. Please keep watching it for us. We'll look forward to seeing you next week.
Thanks so much. Thank you. Coming up later today at 11 this morning,
Max Blumenthal at one this afternoon,
Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson at three this afternoon,
Phil Giroldi, Judge Napolitano for Judging Freedom. You