Judging Freedom - Prof. Jeffrey Sachs : Definitely Genocide.

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

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and tell them your friend the judge sent you. Professor Sacks, welcome here, my dear friend. Great to be with you. Thank you. before we get to the UN's genocide report, why has there been no meaningful response, just some tepid words to the United States-supported Israeli attack on a residential neighborhood in Doha, Qatar? Well, I know that the Arab nations have been meeting pretty much around the clock

in the Gulf region, and then just today I was. with the number of senior diplomats. There are meetings going on at the United Nations now. This is a very serious matter because Israel attacked a country that was not involved in this conflict other than facilitating mediation, mediation that the United States ostensibly was supporting. And this is an ally of the United States.

with a large military base in Qatar. So this attack sent a message to the Arab world that the United States would not protect the Arab world against attacks from Israel, that Israel operates with complete impunity in the region. The United States government does whatever Israel says, and I think that this is leading to a very serious, serious assessment by countries in the Arab region about the meaning of the U.S. foreign policy

in this context. In other words, Israel is understood for what it is, a rampaging rogue state that operates outside of international law. But the United States was judged by at least some of the the countries in the region to have some glimmer of responsibility vis-a-vis Israel's illegal behavior, and that seems now to have been decisively disproved. I know you're going to be of the UN next week. Has the United States relented and will it permit the Palestinian delegation to land at JFK? As far as I know, the Palestinian

allegation will not be at the UN for the session on Palestine other than online. They will come in online. There will be a worldwide revolution at Israel's behavior. And there will be strong support throughout the world for Palestine. And again, the United States government profoundly discredits itself. And unfortunately, brings us the American people into this by violating international law on the rights of delegations to come to the United Nations. We are the host institution. And this administration is only doing what Israel says.

There is no American foreign policy. People should understand. And there is only Israeli foreign policy implemented by a kind of puppet regime in the United States. Did you say puppet? I did. I said that we're just following along. We're pulled on the strings by the Mossad, by the Israeli government. Our Congress, we have members of Congress sitting, listening to this war criminal just in recent days, who tells them about all the

virtues of Israel as Israel is committing a genocide just nearby where the American congressmen sit. It's not only a disgrace and a dereliction of duty, it is a culpability of the American political class because it is a direct complicity in genocide. And one of the most important points about the 1948 genocide convention is that every country has the responsibility to stop a genocide. It's the most grievous, heinous crime on the planet. And not only is the United States political class not stopping it, it is actively complicit in it. The Secret Service has several emergency services vehicles that it uses to rush the President of the United States to a hospital from the White House, should it ever be needed. And one of them just a few weeks ago,

the Mossad had planted two listening devices. Secret Service found them and dismantled them. Nobody was arrested. It's the Mossad government. Why would they be arrested? When the Israeli government kills innocence but misses its targets, as happened in Doha, is there domestic political pushback against Netanyahu? Inside Israel? Yes. No. No.

Right now, no. I mean, there is pushback against Netanyahu for many things, but not for killing Arabs. Unfortunately. Even innocent Arabs who had nothing. to do with the people they were targeting, because they bombed a residential neighborhood. I'm sorry to say, but one of the points that is repeated in opinion surveys in Israel

is the belief that there are not innocent Arabs or innocent Palestinians, that if there's mass death, that's okay. This is, I'm sorry to say it. And of course, there are exceptions to this. But this is actually part of the scene right now. No, there is not pushback on something so minor as people dying in an Israeli bombing. Do they feel this way about Jews who are not Zionists or Christians?

No, I don't think so. I think that it is especially targeted at their neighbors, their immediate neighbors. So I think it is targeted specifically at the Palestinians who live among them and are equal a number to the Israelis, yet are being starved to death, murdered, expelled from their homes, or crushed to submission in other ways, or their view of other countries. in the region, which they view not as human beings, but only as instrumental one way or another in affecting Israel's capacity to achieve its goal of essentially what they call greater Israel, which is complete control over Palestine and parts of other countries in the region, parts of Lebanon, parts of Syria. We don't know what the real boundaries are of this greater Israel, so-called.

But this is a very instrumental view. It's not a view that the others are human beings. This is a view that they are just obstructions. Yet, the reputation that Israel has for murdering its foes is so prevalent that Benjamin Netanyahu took to the international airwaves before they caught the person who pulled the trigger. to deny that the Israelis had murdered Charlie Kirk. Have you ever seen anything like this? Israel's mode of behavior is assassinations. Who did they assassinate, especially those who are negotiating.

This is incredible. They assassinate the Hamas negotiators. They assassinate the Hezbollah negotiators. they assassinate the Iranian negotiators or they bomb Iran to stop a round of negotiations. Israel does not want any diplomacy. Israel wants complete domination and complete submission of the rest. Negotiators get in the way. They might reach an agreement.

Often they have signaled that they have reached an agreement. That's when they become real targets for Israeli assassination. One last topic before we, if you don't mind, Professor, because I know you believe that the Constitution means what it says. And before we jump to the UN report on genocide, last week the U.S. Supreme Court in one of those shadow docket opinions where it doesn't give a reason, it just says yes, no, stop, go. authorized ICE agents to stop anybody on the street and ask them to show their papers.

And if they can't prove they're legally here to arrest them, whatever happened to the Fourth Amendment and probable cause required and a warrant required before seizure of persons. We have a very narrow line for our Constitution right now. because Congress is completely uninterested in Article 1, which is congressional responsibility. We have no congressional responsibility at all. So the only check on the Trump administration's assertions of unbridled power are the courts. All across the United States, the courts, are ruling one by one that what Donald Trump is doing is illegal or unconstitutional

or an assertion of power that he does not have, but then it goes to the Supreme Court. And we don't know what is going to happen in our country in the coming days, weeks, and months. because if the Supreme Court decides that the idea of checks and balances, that the Article III institutions of our Constitution, that is the courts, will not limit the executive power and we already have a corrupted and busted Congress, then Trump will do what he wants. He will call the troops out where he wants. He will call ICE where he wants. And of course, the rumors are flying of all of the further and further exceptions of power that he has planned. I have no idea whether these are true or not. But our constitutional system is based on checks and balances, that there are three branches of government, that the executive branch, Article 2 branch, has the checks and limits of its power.

by the Article 1 branch, the Congress, and Article 3, the courts. Article 1 has surrendered. It barely exists. Our Speaker of the House is perfectly useless in protecting our rights or congressional prerogatives. He is completely an instrument of the executive power. When it comes to the Supreme Court, we don't know. John Roberts, the Chief Justice's Supreme Court, is my classmate from my class at Harvard University nearly 50 years ago. If he destroys the American constitutional system, this will be, I can't say how great a tragedy, but that is a responsibility now. that a few people have, they may uphold the constitutional order, or they may absolutely crush it.

Most constitutional orders eventually come down. Maybe ours will come down in days or weeks or months, but it is the Supreme Court now that is basically the last strand because there's no self-limitation by our executive branch right now. my column, my Washington Times column, which comes out tomorrow, but we'll be posted at midnight tonight at Judge Knapp.com. That's the concluding a few paragraphs. It's only a thousand words. It's entitled, Show Me Your Papers, which is basically what Justice Kavanaugh said, well, if you're here legally and they stop you, you have nothing to worry about. Just show them your papers. That's the hallmark up of the totalitarian regime. I want to get to

the UN's report, as I do, I commend to your reading and everyone's a poem by Carol Ann Duffy, who was the British poet laureate for six years. Her poem is called State Banquet. It compares the splendor with which King Charles and Donald Trump are dining to that of the children in Gaza and ends with the sight of a young baby looking for food through a bullet hole. How thorough is the UN's report on genocide in Gaza, which was released this week? Let me show people, they can't read the type, but it says legal analysis of the conduct of Israel in Gaza, and it's the independent International Commission of Inquiry. It's a big, thick, detailed text.

It has 258 paragraphs, all of them very thick with evidence and with legal analysis. It's an extraordinarily deep, penetrating and horrifying document, horrifying in that it lays out in full clarity the Israeli commission of genocide that is underway just as we speak. It is very thorough in the different categories of genocide, in the starvation, the intentional killings, the bombings. It's very stark in the intention of the political leaders of Israel, quoting them, which is not hard to do because they have not disguised their genocidal intent. So it's a compelling document, shocking, but shocking about a circumstance that is the most shocking on the planet. At the same time, last month, the U.N. also issued another report I just want to bring to people's attention.

It's called the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification Famine Review Committee, Gaza Strip, August 2025. Again, it's a completely thorough, systematic, professional, detailed, evidence-rich report that in, that its highlights as the Famine Review Committee has determined that famine, IPC phase five, technically, is currently occurring in Gaza, in the Gaza government. Furthermore, the FRC projects famine thresholds to be crossed in other governance in the coming weeks. There are hundreds of thousands of people being starved to death right now, being starved to death. if this continues and we have mass starvation, Israel will never live this down. Whether Israel survives this, I don't know. But if we have the mass deaths that would be the

continuation of a starvation campaign that's underway, I frankly cannot see how the state of Israel could survive that. What becomes of these reports and what government actions do you expect will be taken? I mean, how much more horror does the world have to witness before some force restrains Netanyahu and his colleagues? The problems are basically the Trump government, the Trump White House. The Israeli government is murderous, but the Trump government is complicit. And it provides the means for Israel's mass murder. It provides it in many ways.

It provides the armaments. It provides the financing. it provides the diplomatic cover whenever there is an attempt, for example, under the UN charter to introduce a security force or a ceasefire, the United States vetoes that when there's a proposition that the state of Palestine be admitted to the United Nations so it has some protection for the Palestinian people. The United States vetoes this. It's basically two against the whole world at this point. The United States, and it's not the American people, mind you, as we talk about each week. The American people overwhelmingly are aghast and distraught at Israel's

rogue criminality and wars, crimes against humanity. This is an executive branch. Maybe the people on Epstein's list, maybe the people who have been bribed in other ways, maybe people who have whatever delusional motivation they think they have. But this is a small group in the United States that sides with a murderous group in Israel to commit genocide. And a number of American big tech companies are actively involved in this. And I think this is also important to understand. Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Open AI, Dell, and Palantir all provide a tremendous amount of digital support, cloud services, AI systems to support the Israeli defense forces. They are complicit in this genocide.

So this is something that we'll learn more about. The fighting will stop and people will enter Gaza and. And the scenes and the findings will be more horrific than people apparently understand at this moment. And if this mass starvation occurs, we'll see the emaciated corpses. Israel will not live that down. It can't. So Israel really has a decision to make, in my view, about its survival. I regard the three leaders of Israel, or four leaders, Herzog, Netanyahu, Ben-Givir, and Smotrich as, first of all, mass murderers.

Second, of course, guilty of the crime of genocide. And third, completely delusional, delusional that they think that Israel will somehow stand, given what it's true. doing. Delusional that any attack on Israel is somehow anti-Semitism. It has nothing to do with anti-Semitism at all. These people are delusional. But what about Marco Rubio? What about President Trump? What about our senior officials? They're also under international law, complicit. are responsible. The borders are going to open up. The fighting is going to stop. We're going to see what has happened. And there's going to be responsibility and accountability for this. So I really don't know what these people are thinking. But this is a small group committing

a massive crime. And President Trump is not able to issue pardons for international war crimes of Americans that have been complicit in this. You mentioned the Speaker of the House of Representatives. You could add the United States ambassador to Israel. You could add certainly the Secretary of State and whoever encourages Trump to do this to... There's something particular about international law of genocide since it is the maximal crime.

there is also legal responsibility and legal accountability. So punishments are meted out for the crime of genocide after the fact, but there's also an active responsibility to stop a genocide that is ongoing right now. Again, I don't know whether anybody in the White House or the State Department has a shred of decency. and honesty about this, but they have more than a shred of responsibility. So they ought to look at what is actually happening so that they can understand that this is not a small matter. Professor Sachs, thank you very much.

These reports need to be publicized, read, summarized, digested, shouted from the rooftops. and you and I and others on this show and the people watching do our best to do that. Thank you, my dear friend. Yeah, thank you. See you next week. As always. Very good.

Thank you. Boy, this is getting so emotional and so difficult to take murders all over the place in Utah and Gaza and the Caribbean. Why do presidents kill? Anyway, tomorrow,

On this at 11 in the morning, Colonel Douglas McGregor at one in the afternoon, Professor Glenn Deeson at three in the afternoon, Professor John Mearsheimer. Judge Napolitano for judging freedom. Thank you.