Judging Freedom - Prof. Jeffrey Sachs : Is Netanyahu Lobbying for More War?
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Professor Sacks, a pleasure my dear friend. Thank you very much for joining us.
I know you're in another part of the world,
but it's lunchtime here in the East Coast of the United
States.
And as we speak, the president of the United States
is having lunch with a homicidal maniac, who also happens
to be the prime minister of Israel.
What do you expect Prime Minister Netanyahu
was asking for now?
Well, he's asking for what he's been asking for for the last 30 years, which is carte
blanche to use the United States to make wars across the Middle East, a blank check for
the United States to continue its slaughter, Israel to continue its slaughter
with American complicity in Gaza, and probably trying to plot some renewed war against Iran.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, and he came to power in 1996 as a warmonger with a theory.
The theory was that war would remake the Middle East in Israel's image.
He counted on the American people to trust Israel and to back Israel unconditionally. Essentially, the political system has until
today. Trump has shown no capacity to differentiate, unfortunately, American policy from Israel's
policy. We'll see if anything changes. I'm not optimistic on that point. But we know what Netanyahu wants because
he always has said the same thing. At least he's consistent. He's consistently murderous,
warmongering and a disaster for the American people. And he will no doubt continue in that
tradition today? Here is the Israeli foreign minister speaking on Channel 7 News in Israel.
I'm sorry, not the foreign minister, an Israeli member of parliament talking about the only
way to save Israel is utterly destroy the Palestinian people cut number one the war we are fighting today
Which we embarked on the 7th of October is a war against a Nazi enemy
That threatened the existence of the Jewish people in the land of Israel
That is the whole truth
So the Prime Minister decided the Prime Minister decided to do it sequentially. I'm with him
No problem. Let's do it sequentially
You eliminate it has been lying you dealt a severe blow
Maybe even more than that to Iran now the time has come to deal with the Gaza Strip
How do we do that? You take off the glove stop the humanitarian aid cut off electricity cut off water
start destroying and
Expel voluntarily so to speak voluntary migration of Gazans
There are no people there. No innocence. No one who isn't guilty
As far as I'm concerned, they're all Hamas members at the end of the war. There should be two images in the Gaza Strip
First not a single Gaza
remains and all 50 of our hostages, 49 male hostages and one female hostage both living
in the seas there returned to the state of Israel.
Attitude prevalent in Israel today or is this just the views of a fanatical member of Netanyahu's
coalition in the Knesset? Well, this is a very widespread view. I don't think it's possible to quantify exactly who holds
what view, but this is very widespread. And it's the language of the Nazi Holocaust. It is the
language of genocide. It actually, sad to say, it is the language of the Bible in the book of Joshua, which
many Israelis read literally.
In that book, it says that God tells Joshua, go in and kill every man, woman, and child
in the nations that you will confront in the land which I give you. So in the book of Joshua,
the Israelites are to commit multiple genocides, and this is taken as a literal command. This
vulgarity that you just heard is genocidal language, pure and simple. There are no innocents. There will be no Gazans,
no Palestinians left in Gaza. It's horrific. That is representing a policy that the Trump
administration and the Biden administration and many administrations before that have
supported.
It's beyond cruel.
It's beyond criminal.
It is clearly, explicitly, vulgarly genocidal. It's horrible to hear this, but you can hear this from many, many Israeli
leaders. This is normal talk among the political class in Israel. This is normal talk among
the government ministers. This is normal talk among the generals. This is normal talk among the Israeli defense forces in Gaza.
They're killing people in cold blood by the dozens, sometimes the hundreds every day.
They want to kill or expel all the people.
And the United States is part of this.
Why is it part of this?
Well, it's very distressing to contemplate how the United States of America, how people
in the United States of America, but especially our governments hear this, know this and pay for and supply the weapons to kill all these people.
There is regrettably an American version of this as well by a well-known United States Senator state senator who believes that the Bible literally commands him as a senator elected
by one of the largest states in the union, Texas, to support the government of Prime
Minister Netanyahu.
You probably have seen this, but it's worth repeating.
Chris?
Growing up in Sunday school, I was taught from the Bible, those who bless Israel will
be blessed and those who curse Israel will be cursed.
So that's in the Bible.
As a Christian, I believe that.
Where is that?
I can find it to you.
I don't have the scripture off the tip of my finger.
It's in Genesis, but.
Where does my support for Israel come from?
Number one, because biblically we are commanded to support Israel, but number two...
Hold on.
No, no, no, no.
Hold on.
You're a senator.
We are commanded to support Israel.
What does that mean, Israel?
We're told those who bless Israel will be blessed.
But hold on.
Define Israel.
This is important.
Are you kidding?
This is a majority Christian country.
Define Israel?
Do you not know what Israel is?
He's talking about the nation of Israel. Are you kidding? This is a majority Christian country. Define Israel? Do you not know what Israel is?
He's talking about the nation of Israel.
You had nations exists and he's discussing a nation.
A nation was the people of Israel.
Is the nation God's referring to in Genesis, is that the same as the country run by Benjamin
Netanyahu right now?
Yes, yes.
It is.
Well, that last Q&A is just beyond remarkable.
You're talking to a senator, a graduate of Princeton University and
Harvard Law School, and he believes the reference in the Old Testament to Israel is a reference to
the government of Benjamin Netanyahu today, or somehow carries over to that government.
This is what we're dealing with, Professor Sachs. Is this a common attitude
amongst Christian Zionists and Jewish Zionists in America today?
No, but Senator Cruz takes millions or tens of millions of dollars from mega preachers
millions of dollars from mega preachers who preach this, and Cruz makes his living on scooping up money from saying these things.
That's what this is.
The man is completely corrupted by our political system and these campaign contributions.
He's a nasty, ignorant man.
We saw, if you watched the whole interview, he knew nothing about Iran, but he knew that
he wanted to bomb Iran.
He had no idea how many people live in Iran.
He knows nothing about anything, but he knows what to say to get millions and millions
of dollars from his campaign contributors who include the mega church, Christian evangelical
preachers who by the way tell their congregations similar things and get vast money from their
congregants. It's all a very sad system of
monetary extraction and corruption. Do you expect, let's go back to this lunch
in the White House, which is still going on, do you expect that Prime Minister Netanyahu brought Mossad with him to school the president on their
version of what's going on in Iran and why he needs to be more militarily aggressive
with Iran?
Well, we know that Mossad is joined at the hip with the CIA and has been for many decades in many crimes and murders,
coups, assassinations throughout the world.
And we know that Mossad played an important role in convincing Trump personally to bomb bomb Iran in this latest display of our one-person rule.
President does not have the right to go bomb Iran to make wars, whether it's a 12-day war
or any other kind of war.
That prerogative belongs to Congress, but Congress is so corrupt, money-oriented, and dead to the truth that
even when the president launches his wars, Congress doesn't care that it is their function,
not the president's function.
So is Mossad there?
Of course it's there.
Mossad and the CIA have run policy for the United States
for decades. This is not something new, nor is it surprising, nor would it be, well, it
may be denied or whatever, but no one would take seriously such a denial. This is the
essence of policy making, that it is murderous, that it is secretive, that
it is against law, both international and domestic, and that impunity is the whole style
of government.
What did Israel do with Iran in the middle of the negotiations supposedly taking place
between the US and Iran.
It went in and not just bombed Iran, but murdered dozens of people,
blew up whole buildings for their targeted individuals.
This is Mossad operations, it's murdering,
but it is part of the U.S. scene completely.
Do you think that Donald Trump's bombs hurt Iran or helped Iran?
Made it weaker or made it stronger?
I think it made the instability in the world much worse.
Most likely the Iranians had removed their enriched uranium before the bombing because
they had plenty of notice and it was reportedly 400 kilos and not hard to move according to
the experts that I've seen give
very detailed accounts on this.
It ruined the IAEA, the International Atomic Energy Agency, which played the game of Mossad
and the CIA of Israel and the United States, so it wrecked an international agency. It ended supervision of the Iranian facilities by the IAEA.
So there are no winners.
Iran was weakened because it was pummeled, but Israel was pummeled as well, and the world
became even more unstable.
Violence and war and illegality and assassinations were further normalized.
In other words, this is just par for the course.
Donald Trump bragged that this was the kind of bombing like Hiroshima and Nagasaki, a language by the President of the United
States about the two atomic bombings of Japan, were normalizing the path to nuclear Armageddon.
This is how we're living right now. If there were going to be historians after the next
war, there won't
be because there won't be civilization left. But they would look at all these events and
there would be a chapter written about how the situation became completely destabilized
in the lead up to the great disaster. The next war though isn't going to have historians after it because
this will be the war that ends everything in the nuclear age. And we just have a normalization
of lies, of murder, of instability, of secrecy, of falsehoods, of engaging in negotiations and you announce
the next round is in three days and then you bomb them the next hour. What is this? Is
this a game? Is this a video game? Is this a child's game? Is this our lives at stake?
So we'll see what the president says about all of this, but we can expect pretty much
what is going to happen because it's been consistent for years and years.
Daniel is an absolute genocidal murderer, And he's sitting in the White House
and he'll probably be lavishly praised
by the president of the United States in an hour or two.
Here's the Iranian foreign minister
before the United Nations Security Council
at an emergency session yesterday. Chris, seven.
What Israeli regime and subsequently the United States
committed were no less than an unprecedented breach
of international peace.
The fact that the developing non-nuclear weapon state
has been attacked by two nuclear armed regimes
with the support of at least two more nuclear-armed states
that are also permanent members of United Nations Security Council is only appalling
and extremely consequential.
No rule of law or logic allows anyone to target the IAEA-monitored peaceful nuclear facilities
of another state simply out of speculation that the facilities may sometimes be used for weaponization.
Mr. President, my people stayed steadfast and resolved in defense of our homeland against
these blatant acts of aggression, and the aggressors had to cease their criminal attacks
following the heroic resistance of our strong armed forces. We will definitely continue to defend with all force against any future aggressions.
But this is not over.
As long as the Israeli regime's lawless behavior is supported and justified by its backers and apologists,
it is a shame that the international community has been unable to do anything meaningful to end the genocide of
Palestinians for the past two years and stop Israel from occupying Arab lands in its vicinity.
So I was wrong. It was not the Security Council. It was a BRICS meeting, but you heard what he said.
Yes. And I attended the Security Council meeting at the United Nations just after the attack by
Israel.
The United States and the Western countries threatened Iran rather than criticizing Israel
at that UN Security Council meeting.
They couldn't utter a word against the brazen, murderous, illegal attack by Israel. All they did was threaten
Iran. If Iran responds, if Iran retaliates, it was shocking to see the brazenness, the
double standards, the hypocrisy, the lawlessness by the United States and its European allies in the UN Security Council.
I listened to the ambassador from Denmark, for example. She couldn't even have one sentence
about Israel attacking Iran. Her whole speech was an attack on Iran. And Judge, I took the chance to look up because I was
pretty sure that Ted Cruz had it wrong about what the Bible says. I wanted to verify it.
He was referring to Genesis 12.3. And as usual with Cruz, he has the quote wrong.
He said those who bless Israel are blessed or those who favor Israel are blessed.
I don't know if he ever went to Sunday school, but he never learned anything.
What it actually says is, I will bless those who bless you, referring to Abraham, not to
Israel. Israel isn't mentioned
there. Israel isn't even yet present as of Genesis 12.3. I will bless those who bless you,
Abraham, meaning, and whoever curses you, meaning Abraham, I will curse and all peoples on earth will be blessed through
you. So, Cruz can't even make a quotation right. He doesn't know the Bible, he doesn't
know his Sunday school, he doesn't know how many people are in countries that he wants
to bomb. He's an ignoramus, but he makes a lot of money, by the way. He makes money from his preachers
who make money from their parishioners.
It's all extremely sad.
He also helps make public policy in the United States,
which is disgraceful that a human being would be animated
by stereotypical and inaccurate visions
of something written 300 years ago as compelling him to
a certain, to support a certain foreign policy today.
And if you're going to support a genocide like he does, maybe he could even get the
quotation right.
Maybe he could even take the 10 seconds to open the Bible as I just did as you were playing one of the
clips so that I could read Genesis 12.3. No, he doesn't care. They don't care. They're
playing games, these people, which would be fine if it were games. But this is the world
at stake. And they've got to stop playing games.
They've got to start telling the truth.
They've got to start having hearings where people actually present evidence again.
They have to start abiding by the U.S. Constitution, which puts the responsibility for war and
peace in Congress, not in the hands of one person. This is what is at stake in all of this. And
they're playing games with our lives.
Scott Ritter just told us that he has seen videos of American contractors who to a person former military, whom he described as maniacs, shooting Palestinians as they're lining up
to get food in Gaza and high-fiving each other for doing it.
Now, how can Donald Trump permit that to occur?
These people should be indicted by the Justice Department and prosecuted for murder.
Before our political system fell apart in the last few decades at the hands of corruption,
the Israel lobby, big money, so that we don't talk about anything truthful, there used to be a time
several decades ago when an event like that would have been news,
it would be discussed.
We have seen the people being massacred as they show up in this U.S. concocted phony
relief process.
Remember, what the U.S. did was kick the U.N. relief agency out. Then it said,
we'll put in our relief. And of course, Israel murders the people as they go in for food.
It stars them. And then when the people line up, it murders them. Well, we can recall Nazi atrocities like that.
What we're seeing is atrocities before our eyes,
but our political system is so destroyed now that nobody says a word.
There's no seriousness, there's no hearings,
there's no question of justification.
Of course, we also have the Supreme Court that just ruled that Donald Trump can issue
decrees as he wants and the federal courts can't do anything about it, says the Supreme
Court of the land.
So what was that revolution about in 1776 when we said we didn't
want to have one person rule? What was it about?
Well it failed. We went from one monarch to another.
We are in trouble. And we'll see. Look, it, maybe they walk out of the White House and Donald Trump
announces a ceasefire. Let's hope so. Let's hope so. I don't rule it out completely. We're
talking as they are meeting. But if history is a guide and the recent history
is shocking, the U.S. has been complicit in a genocide.
I don't think any American could have contemplated that we would be in this situation and not
even ask questions about it at this stage.
That's how broken our political system is.
Professor Sachs, I know it's practically tomorrow
where you are now.
Thank you very much for your time.
I'm sorry the subjects are so gloomy and aggravating,
but your analysis of it is much sought after
and deeply appreciated. Safe travels. Thank you very much. See you again next week, deeply appreciated safe travel. Thank you very much next week Jeff
Thank you. Thank you
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