Judging Freedom - Scott Ritter: Can Trump Bring Peace to Ukraine ?

Episode Date: May 5, 2025

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Starting point is 00:03:15 purchase guarantee. It's time to see if gold is right for you. Call 800-511-4620, 800-511-4620 or go to learjudgenap.com and tell them your friend the judge sent you. Scott, welcome here my dear friend. Just one or two questions on breaking news before we get to your view of Trump and his manner of negotiating and his public statements on Ukraine and whether this is likely to bring peace. The Netanyahu regime announced today that the IDF will soon occupy all of Gaza, except for the southern portion to which it purports to be able to expel all 2 million residents of Gaza. Where's this going? I don't know. Because at the same time Netanyahu is saying that air blockade has been imposed on Israel by the Houthi. The Ben Gurion Airport was shut down.
Starting point is 00:04:16 They may have reopened it. It'll be shut down again. And there's no solution to the Houthi except for Israel to stop doing what it's doing in Gaza So Israel doubles down on stupid in Gaza While its economy continues to collapse I have a feeling that Hamas can hold out in Gaza longer than the Israeli economy can hold out Ultimately, I'm hopeful that the way this ends is there's a widespread recognition
Starting point is 00:04:43 that unless the United States wants to escalate the war in Yemen to include putting boots on the ground, which we'll lose by the way, we're not going to win that war, or expanding the conflict into Iran, which we'll lose unless we go nuclear, we're not going to win that one. That the recognition is to tell Netanyahu to back off. That a ceasefire is the only solution. And then you instantly solve the Houthi problem. You de-escalate with Iran.
Starting point is 00:05:12 And we don't have to worry about the United States get in the middle of Israel's genocidal mania. Because this is what it is. Netanyahu is a desperate man. All of these headlines ignore the fact that he's under tremendous domestic political pressure. He's being investigated, tried for corruption, for violation of state secrets, for other government
Starting point is 00:05:33 malfeasance. And he needs conflict in order to justify his continued hold on power. So that's what's going on. We need the Trump administration to finally step up. If they want to say they support Israel, that's one thing. But the best way to support Israel right now is to dump Netanyahu. And we need to tell the Israeli people that he is the problem, and it's impossible for us to continue to work with Israel,
Starting point is 00:05:55 as long as he's your prime minister. of refinancing or attempting to refinance a resurgence of Hezbollah in Lebanon? Is he trying to pick a fight with Erdogan? He may be trying to pick a fight with anybody he can, because that's what makes him relevant. He knows that Erdogan would have a hard time going into direct conflict with Israel, given that it's a NATO member and that it's, you know, its economic future is almost entirely reliant upon the United States, you know, maintaining certain policies in place that the United States could collapse the Turkish economy. And so a direct conflict between Turkey and Israel would not be something that Erdogan is seeking. So Netanyahu is of course going to make big statements
Starting point is 00:06:49 in this regard too. Anything he can do to pump himself up to be Mr. Relevant in a time of increasing, he's losing all relevancy. This is a man who has no credibility. He is a genocidal maniac. The international community recognizes this. In the United States, we have the United States Congress
Starting point is 00:07:10 running cover for Israel's genocidal policies by, I mean, they're even talking about passing a law right now which criminalizes people exercising their first amendment rights of saying, we don't wanna do business with Israel. Saying this will apparently cost me $300,000 and put me in jail for up to 20 years. Let's make clear, I don't want to do business with Israel. So hey, Trump, come after me. Arrest me. Put me in jail. Let's take that to the Supreme Court and see how
Starting point is 00:07:36 far it goes. I mean, this administration is destroying its credibility on this altar of Israel. And Israel's losing all legitimacy because of this Maniac they called the prime minister the legislation that you mentioned was scheduled to be voted upon in the house of representatives today and the Leadership pulled it because they don't have enough votes for it to pass and they don't want to be embarrassed This is something that lawyers call unconstitutional on its face. You don't even need any evidence or any oral argument. What you have to do
Starting point is 00:08:13 is read it and a law student can tell you it's unconstitutional. Last question before before we get to Ukraine. Why was Mike Walz fired? We don't know. I mean, the story out of the White House is because, you know, and again, we have to give Trump credit for this. He's not jumping in with both feet and the let's go bomb Iran bandwagon. He understands the consequences of this and that consequences made even more harsh in recent days when, you know, the Iranians have deployed a new missile
Starting point is 00:08:58 that overcomes all of the defense capabilities that have been put in place by the United States and Israel, guaranteeing the absolute destruction of Israel should there be a general exchange between the two nations. There's nothing the United States can do to save Israel in that case. The only way that we can prevent this is by going in with a massive preemptive nuclear strike, which is something Trump doesn't want to do.
Starting point is 00:09:22 And so he is looking for a diplomatic solution. This is why Steve Witcoff's, his lead on this. And Mike Waltz stabbed him in the back, went behind and according to the news media started talking with the Israelis, working with Netanyahu on how to get around the people that don't want to go to war, how to squeeze Trump.
Starting point is 00:09:44 And I guess Trump fired him. Now the Israelis have denied this. Benjamin Netanyahu has come out and denied this straight up, said no, there was no connectivity of this sort. So I don't know where the truth lies on this one, because both, to be frank, the Trump White House and the Israeli government can't be trusted on anything of this nature, but waltz isn't a team player I'll tell you who else isn't a team player and I'll tell you who's behind all this Marco Rubio He's positioned himself to be the new You know Henry Kissinger He has now dual-hatted as the Secretary of State and the national security advisor and this is a man who hates Donald Trump
Starting point is 00:10:19 I want to remind everybody of that fact little Marco hates Donald Trump everybody of that fact. Little Marco hates Donald Trump, despises him, has no use for this guy, and he's using Donald Trump to build up his own foreign policy credentials, national security credentials, so he can challenge J.D. Vance in the election in 2028, and Trump's playing along with his game. Marco Rubio is a bigger traitor to Donald Trump and Donald Trump's policies than Mike Pompeo was. It is Marco Rubio that has sunk the Russia policy and he's sinking the Iran policy. He's preventing Trump from achieving the policies. When I say prevent Trump, it's because Trump is ultimately at the end of the day, a very weak and insecure man who doesn't have what it takes to stand up, look people in the eye and say, you're fired. And that's what he needs to do to Marco Rubio right now, fire him, terminate his existence. But he took $100 million from Adelman's widow and gosh, he surrounded himself with the wrong people. But Donald Trump, this is why he's failing right now, because of Marco Rubio.
Starting point is 00:11:20 And Marco Rubio is behind Mike Waltz being kicked out. Does Donald Trump understand what's at stake in the special military operation in Ukraine? No, I don't think Donald Trump can spell Russia, let alone understand the complexities of Russia. He certainly doesn't understand Ukraine because he's a schizophrenic when it comes to Zelensky. One minute he rightly calls him out
Starting point is 00:11:44 as this irresponsible dictator the next minute He speaks about him as if he's the legitimate leader of a viable nation state. He doesn't know how to deal with NATO or Europe He's all over the place and one of the reasons because of the conflicting guidance He's getting from his national security team led by Marco Rubio who is you know continues to sell You know Europe is a viable ally. Europe is not our ally. Just listen to them. They're not our ally. Ukraine is trying to destroy us. Russia is the only one out there saying, hey, we can work together with you. Let's move forward on a path that's, you know, that we can both benefit from. The Trump administration early on recognized
Starting point is 00:12:26 that Russia was right across the board. They said NATO expansion caused this war and NATO lied to Russia. They acknowledged this. They say that what the Ukrainians were doing to the Russian people in the Donbas was abysmal, that Russia had every right to do what it's doing, that Russia is in the right.
Starting point is 00:12:44 Now, having said that then to turn around and legitimize the ukrainian position as if the nazis that control kiev are somehow been reborn as Responsible individuals that the europeans never played a role in trying to facilitate the rise of banderist ideology It's a schizophrenic policy that's doomed to fail didn't Trump himself bolster the Ukraine military in his first term in office? Didn't he cause it to treble in size? Judge, it's worse than that. Donald Trump runs around and says, oh, this is Joe Biden's war.
Starting point is 00:13:20 It's not Joe Biden's war. This is Donald Trump's war. Donald Trump made this war. Donald Trump designed this war. It's not just that he sent more military aid. Understand the underlying policy. The underlying policy of the United States during the first Trump term is the same policy that is in place today, to destroy Russia from within. Donald Trump has not reversed course on that policy. 20 CIA bases were built in Ukraine during Donald Trump is not reverse course on that policy. 20 CIA bases were built in Ukraine during Donald Trump's time. 20 CIA bases. And these aren't bases there to hold
Starting point is 00:13:52 hands and sing kumbaya. These are people that are carrying out covert operations inside Russia facilitating deep direct action strikes by the Ukrainians to train people for unconventional warfare, guerrilla warfare. This is what the CIA was doing under Donald Trump for one reason and one reason only because we're building a Ukrainian army in the West and then there's a slide that was put out by the Department of Defense under Donald Trump that had an arrow that said so we can take them over here and kill Russians in the east. That's Donald Trump's policy. He's a liar when he says this war would have happened. He planned this war. He wanted this war. This is Donald Trump's war. And one of the problems is he can't divorce himself from it because this at the end of the day
Starting point is 00:14:37 was his policy objectives. I mean the man doesn't know how to stand for anything. He has been led by the nose by people who are smarter on the issues than he is. Donald Trump is not a smart man. Donald Trump may have some basic sense when it comes to I want peace. But if you want peace, you have to change the foundation. Peace with Russia means you need to change the basic Russia policy. Are we seeking to destroy Russia or are we seeking to stabilize relations basic Russia policy? Are we seeking to destroy Russia, or are we seeking to stabilize relations with Russia? I need a statement from Donald Trump today that says, we are no longer seeking the strategic defeat of Russia,
Starting point is 00:15:14 that we are working with Russia as an equal partner in the world. That means you want peace. Anything else means you want war. And look what he's doing now. He's giving the Ukrainians more money. He says for defense all it does is prolong the war. Donald Trump, 5,000 men aren't dying a week you idiot. Why don't you talk to people who know 5,000 Ukrainians are dying a week, maybe a couple hundred
Starting point is 00:15:39 Russians, but if you think for a second Russia is being bled to death on the battlefield You really don't have a functioning brain cell and I have to say I mean I don't mean to go down this path But any idiot that puts himself out there's the Pope at a time when the Catholic Church is electing a new pope This man doesn't deserve the president United States. He's an embarrassment to the American people literally an embarrassment I'm tired of this buffoon. I gave him every chance in the world. I gave him every chance in the world and he humiliates the American people on a daily basis every time he opens his mouth. Fasten your seatbelt. I don't know if you saw this clip from the Meet the Press interview. The takeaway from Meet the Press interview was his one-liner, I don't know if I'm going to enforce the Constitution.
Starting point is 00:16:25 This line, which you'll see in just a moment, is equally as troubling and revealing of profound ignorance. Chris, cut number one. Ukraine, there's been discussions they will have to give up some of the land. Russia will have to give up all of Ukraine because that's what they want. All of Ukraine, meaning they wouldn't keep any of the land that they've claimed. Russia would have to give up all of Ukraine because what Russia wants is all of Ukraine. And if I didn't get involved, they would be fighting right now for all of Ukraine.
Starting point is 00:16:56 Russia doesn't want the strip that they have now. Russia wants all of Ukraine. And if it weren't me, they would keep going. I don't even know if Mike Pompeo said that. The arrogance of this man, if it weren't for me. First of all, Donald Trump, you are about as significant as my fingernail right here. You're a nobody. You may be the president of the United States, but the world is functioning without you.
Starting point is 00:17:22 You had a possibility to be an American leader to make our country relevant. When you say stupidity like that, it shows your ignorance. Do you think the Kremlin for a moment is listening and going, oh my god he's on to us. You know it means that you are ignorant. It means the people advising you are ignorant. Russia doesn't want all of Ukraine. There is zero evidence to support that stupidity. Russia wants Ukraine to stop being seen itself as a base for NATO to carry out America's strategic objective, which you signed off on and are still signing off on, to destroy Russia, the strategic defeat of Russia.
Starting point is 00:17:57 That's your policy, Trump. I dare you to back away from it. You can't because you won't, because hey, maybe you don't even know it because you're too stupid to live. Russia doesn't want anything but peace but the peace has to be so that the people who fought on side by side with Nazi Germany were cutting up to the 80th anniversary of the end of the second world war and the United States taxpayer is supporting the Nazis in Ukraine who are fighting the Russians who are our allies? That's what's going on here. Donald Trump is too stupid to live. I want him to succeed
Starting point is 00:18:32 I really do I want every president to succeed but this is a man and you just said it I don't know if I will support the Constitution didn't get the hell out of the office Because you took a note double and defend that Constitution and now you're saying it's too complicated for you, it's too hard, it's too expensive, get the hell out. America is about the constitution, it's the only thing we're about. We are defined by that document and when you deviate from that document you say you are un-American and I hear in telling him Donald Trump you're the most un-American son of a bitch that's ever sat in the White House. And that says a lot because I wasn't a big fan of Joe Biden either. What does a statement like he just made to Kristen Welker, the woman from NBC that was interviewing him, due to the efforts to negotiate a resolution to the special military operation, what does the Kremlin think when they hear him say something like that?
Starting point is 00:19:29 The Kremlin doesn't care. See, again, Donald Trump, hire some people that actually watch what the Russian president says and what he does. The Russian president has recently said about leading up to 2022, he said, we didn't want to fight with the West. The Russian president has recently said About leading up to 2022. He said We we didn't want to fight with the west We were All of this took us by surprise You know when when they started sanctioning us we weren't ready for that, you know
Starting point is 00:19:56 But we when when the special military operations started we weren't ready for that either We didn't want to go down this path But when you double down when the west down, when the West made it existential, we started doing the things we had to do to get where we're at today. Today, Russia doesn't need the United States at all. That's the statement right there. They pulled Anatoly Antonov out of the United States and left the embassy vacant because America just doesn't matter, doesn't resonate. Russia doesn't care. They'd like to be friends. The world would be a better place if they were friends.
Starting point is 00:20:30 They brought in a new ambassador now. But how is he supposed to sit down with this lunatic and with the people that represent them, sit down with Marco Rubio to what? Better relations? Better relations with a man who doesn't even know the Constitution, he's supposed to uphold and defend, a man who doesn't understand the consequences of his words. I mean, the Russians are going to do what the Russians have to do to bring this war to a conclusion on terms acceptable to Russia.
Starting point is 00:20:54 I thought Trump was smart enough to know that. He sent a man, Steve Woodcock, to sit down with the Russians, and Woodcock came back and reported exactly that and i was optimistic early on that it would sink into donald trump's this little orange face head but it didn't this is a narcissist he can't handle the fact that putin is going to win the war and donald trump isn't going to get credit that when this war ends it's going to be putin's victory can't have this man is so jealous of what's going to happen on may 9th he can't't stand the fact that Vladimir Putin is going to sit there and have a victorious army march by celebrating the defeat of Nazi Germany. Trump could have been standing side by side with him, but he can't stand the fact that Xi Jinping is going to be there, that Chinese leader is going to be there, that the world is going to be there. Modi is going to be there. Everybody's going to be there but him because Donald Trump doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:21:47 Not to Russia, not to China. And that's the reality. And he can't stand this. This is a narcissist that we elected. But he could have gone and then he could have stayed for a week and he could have cut a grand reset with Modi, with Xi and with Putin. That's what you and I and everybody on this show has urged him to do.
Starting point is 00:22:08 And I guess Rubio said don't. Yeah, well, Rubio is the most un-American Secretary of State you can imagine, because Marco Rubio cares about Israel and he cares about the neocons. Those are the two forces that have combined to destroy this country. They're going to get us involved in wars. Donald Trump at least said the right things,
Starting point is 00:22:26 running for action, that he doesn't want wars. Well, how are you gonna get out of the Middle East, Donald Trump? How are you gonna do that, pal? You've backed yourself into a corner now and your strength, your peace through strength, stupidity has the Harry S. Truman making emergency, you know, maneuvers, dumping F-18s overboard
Starting point is 00:22:44 because the hooties are zeroing in on the carriers. All the air defense additions that you put in there, jamming, thinking you had the Iranian missile singled out, the hoody just sent a missile into Ben Gurion penetrating everything saying we can do this at will. You have no options left except to humiliation, retreat, or double down on stupid and go to war that you're going to lose unless you go nuclear That's the middle east now ukraine
Starting point is 00:23:09 Buckle in pal you're in for another two years of bloodshed And it's going to be our decisive russian victory unless you double down on stupid and say hey europe, let's fight the russians We have to do something about the russians and then what we go back to having a nuclear war to do something about the Russians. And then what? We go back to having a nuclear war. Donald Trump could have won the Nobel Peace Prize. There could have been a signing ceremony on May 10th in Moscow where Donald Trump ended
Starting point is 00:23:31 the conflict in Ukraine and started working side by side with the Russians to end the conflict in the Middle East and create peace and prosperity everywhere. Then he wouldn't have to commit suicide, economically with this stupidity of tariffs. Donald Trump could have been the leader America needs. Instead, he's just a narcissistic idiot who sits there and puts out pictures of him as Pope, says he doesn't respect the Constitution, and
Starting point is 00:23:54 he doesn't know a damn thing about Russia. Where do we go from here? No, I'm nervous now. I mean, I'm angry first of all, I think you picked up on that. Yes, I picked up. By the way, you are supremely articulate when you're angry. You're also articulate when you're not angry. I almost went Marine Corps on you and I had like, no, not live on the judge. Can't do that. But no, I mean, now I'm nervous because, you know, the American leadership is absolutely essential for the world to function properly. When you lack leadership, then America reverts
Starting point is 00:24:37 to its bad ways. Look, people, I know, look, I love my country, but we're the people that invaded and occupied Iraq in violation of international law So if you don't think we're the dumbest cruelest most, you know War-mongering nation on the planet. You don't know us very well and leaving America to fall back on its natural tendencies These are tendencies that Marco Rubio and the neocons Continue embrace means we will have a war in the Middle East that can only win end one way With the destruction of Israel tens of thousands of American lives lost and then American nuking Iran Nobody wants that but that's the direction we're heading and the situation with Russia and Ukraine This could have been nipped in the bud. We could be signing peace have peace break out all over instead
Starting point is 00:25:19 Marco Rubio is encouraging NATO now to make itself relevant again and Trump because he's a narcissist, this idiot has to be part of this relevancy as they seek to reverse tide in Ukraine because Donald Trump says, I'm not going to let Russia do anything. Well, you don't have the ability to stop Russia. Donald Trump, are you going to send American intermediate range missiles back into Europe in 2026? Donald Trump, are you going to extend the New START Treaty or is it going to expire in February 2026?
Starting point is 00:25:48 And now we have an arms race because you're too stupid to have nipped it in the bud. And now what? You're going to spend $3 trillion for America to build new generations of strategic nuclear weapons that will never match the capability of the Russians. But because they increased the numbers and size and scope and you put intermediate range missiles in Europe, we now have the possibility of inadvertent exchange leading to a general nuclear exchange
Starting point is 00:26:09 We're all dead because of you Donald Trump you and only you you're the man that's causing all of this because you are too Stupid to occupy this space and you don't have the courage to fire Marco Rubio And you know, you didn't you got rid of Mike Waltz, but there's others you have to knock. Is Hegseth an enabler to him as well? Hegseth again, I don't mean to pick on this guy too much, but he at best was a battalion commander. He's lost. This is a man who is totally out of his depth here.
Starting point is 00:26:42 He's a little yes boy who wants, he's the little puppy dog that wants to sit next to Donald Trump and get his head scratched. So Hegseth will do what Trump tells him to do. Now that means if Trump's telling him don't go to war with Iran, Hegseth won't go to war with Iran. But then when Marco Rubio whispers into Trump's ear and Trump turns to Hegseth and says, maybe we got to go to war with Iran, Hegseth's not going to sit there and go, but boss you told me not to go. Maybe this isn't a good idea. He's go, oh yes boss, yes boss. I'll do whatever you want boss.
Starting point is 00:27:07 Hegseth is the wrong man for the job. We needed an adult and we got a prepubescent teenager. All right, I'll let you come up for air. Thank you, Scott. This was a remarkable conversation. A remarkable conversation. You know I'm one of your biggest fans and I can't say enough about your intellectual honesty and personal courage. Oh, all I can say is, and there goes my passport.
Starting point is 00:27:37 And eloquence. Any thought of getting Marco Rubio to turn my passport over to me is now gone, but I don't care. You know, I never... This administration has failed across the board. Failed. And there's... It's our job as citizens to call it out. We have to. It is. Thank you, Scott. God love you. All the best. We'll see you again soon. Thanks. Sure.
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