Judging Freedom - Scott Ritter: IRAN HITS ISRAEL.
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Today is Tuesday, October. What is today? Long day. October 1st, 2024. Scott Ritter joins us now.
Scott, I very much appreciate you coming on
the last minute. It's been a long day for both of us and for all the folks watching us. What do we
know about the Iranian missile attack today on Israel? What did it consist of? What was
struck down? What got through? What damage, if any, did it do?
Well, I can't say we know anything other than the Iranians fired a significant number of missiles,
the majority of which appeared to strike the ground. Whether or not they struck the ground
where they intended to strike is unknowable until the Iranians tell us what their objectives were and what their battle damage assessment.
I would imagine that if these missiles did strike their intended targets, Israel will not be quick to confirm that because the last thing you want to do when you're on the receiving end of missiles is confirmed the accuracy of the missiles iran doesn't have a um
a sophisticated uh you know space-based reconnaissance capability to take immediate
battle damage assessment so even the iranians will be you know guessing to some extent it appears
however that a significant number of missiles were targeted at Nevatim Air Base outside of Beersheba.
This is one of Israel's most important air bases.
It's where the F-35 fighters are based out of, along with Netanyahu's Air Force One and some other critical air assets uh the uh the videotape of this attack uh shows uh what appear to be
hypersonic missiles um you know coming in and uh in significant quantity and um and hitting what
they're you know hitting something on the ground um they uh some of them may have been intercepted, but not all of them.
This appears to be part of the Iranian strategy of saturation attacks. If you take a look at the
quantity of the missiles being fired, it simply overwhelmed Israel's air defense systems. The Iranians also appear to have made use of the more sophisticated
missiles, the hypersonic Fatah-2. They fired to take out the Arrow-2 and Arrow-3 surfaced air
missile or anti-missile defense seals. I've been looking at some videos
that look as though the Iranians were deploying sophisticated warheads that have multiple
warheads and decoys and accelerating warheads. So they used, you know, a variety of means.
You know, back in April when we talked about this you know i said look the iranians led off with old stuff it was just basically um to uh exhaust the israelis exhaust
the air defense and then they finished with um you know a a dozen or so of their the good stuff
and all of those hit their target at the time i said this was iran putting a marker on the table
saying the next time you're just going to get the good stuff well this was Iran putting a marker on the table saying, the next time
you're just going to get the good stuff.
Well, this was the next time Israel got the good stuff.
And what we saw here is that Israel is defenseless, utterly.
You may shoot down 10% of the incoming missiles, but the bottom line is Iran saturated Israel's
missile defense shield. And it wasn't just Israel's.
Israel had the assistance of the United States, the United States Navy and American THAAD systems.
The Jordanians were actively bragging about how they shot down one or two missiles. So you
basically had the world's densest, most sophisticated ballistic missile shield being exposed as
utterly useless. And this is a signal in and of itself to the Israelis, because they are talking
about retaliation. And if Israel retaliates in a significant way, Iran has already reloaded all
180 plus launchers that were involved in the first one. They have others in reserve. Remember,
right now, Iran is also holding a loaded pistol against the head of the united states letting the united states know that that
they get involved in any offensive action against israel other died air base and get there will be
destroyed just like navatim was there's no defense against it al-assad air base in iraq will be
destroyed just like navatim was uh there's no defense against it and we you know the iran may strike uh you know
the the american naval base in bahrain the home of the fifth fleet this was a tremendous display
of capability by iran one that um israel and the united states uh would do well to uh to reflect on
before undertaking any precipitous moves.
Are the hypersonic missiles the ones that are impossible to stop?
Well, I wouldn't say impossible because, you know, technology being what it is,
you always might be able to find a solution. I would imagine that if you fired one hypersonic against a defensive capability that was ready to receive it,
you might get lucky. But generally speaking, the hypersonics are coming in at a rate of engagement,
a rate of closer that's too fast for any radar system today to configure us an intercept solution and had the
interceptor actually be able to do it I think what we saw was there were some
occasions of the Israelis playing catch-up meaning that they they were
trying to catch up to the to the warhead but they they couldn't it's going too
fast and it appears that the hypersonics that Iran fired just came through. The Israeli air
sirens didn't even go off, so they didn't even detect it. That's how fast they were going. That's
how quick their closure speed was. Do the Israelis have hypersonics?
No. Well, I mean, again, the Israelis have the Jericho 2 and the Jericho 3 missile. These are
nuclear capable, but they can fire a conventional payload. And the Jericho 2 and the Jericho 3 missile. These are nuclear capable, but they can fire conventional payload.
And the Jericho 3 is believed to have something that will have closure speeds similar to a hypersonic missile.
But it's a ballistic missile, which means that its speed is generated by a ballistic trajectory.
A hypersonic is a missile that comes in on a
non-ballistic trajectory, and usually under its own power, and, you know, it hits the ground at
significant speeds that aren't generated by a ballistic trajectory.
Is the Israeli Iron Dome, about which they've been boasting for generations, effectively useless?
Well, the Iron Dome wasn't meant to defend against these systems. The Iron Dome was meant
to defend against the saturation attack by Katyushka rockets or low-technology short-range
rockets. It wasn't designed to defend against the saturation attack of ballistic missiles or ballistic missiles.
This is what the Arrow 2, the Arrow 3, the Patriot, the FAD system, these are the systems that are designed to defend against those.
The Iron Dome is when Hamas fires off, you know, 70, you know, unguided rockets that go against an area. the Iron Dome is designed to shoot those down,
or if Hezbollah fires, Katyushka rockets. But the Iron Dome isn't designed to take down ballistic
missiles. There's other systems that are supposed to do that, and clearly those systems didn't work.
Can Israel, does Israel have missiles that can reach Iran?
100%. The Jericho 2, the Jericho 3 have the ability to reach Iran.
But again, the difference is Israel's missiles aren't designed, they're not designed to do the
kind of saturation attack that Iran just carried out. These are missiles that are one shot, one
hit, potentially with nuclear capability.
But if they're conventional, it's just designed to have one warhead come in.
The question is, could the Russian S-400 air defense systems that Russia has supposedly provided Iran and are in position around Iran's critical infrastructure,
can they get an intercept solution on a Jericho ballistic missile?
And I think the answer might be yes.
So even if Israel were to fire Jericho missiles, there's a good chance that because they are flying a conventional ballistic trajectory,
that they could be shot down by the S-400. What is Russia's role, as you understand it, in the defense of Iran,
other than providing the defensive mechanisms that you just talked about?
For example, would President Putin call up President Netanyahu or Prime Minister Netanyahu and say, back off? Or would the Russians
provide offensive weaponry to enhance the Iranian fleet?
I don't think there's anything the Iranians need or want from Russia in terms of offensive
weapons capability. They've proven that they have significant strike capacity that successfully hit the most heavily defended space on the
planet, which is Israel.
Defense is a different matter altogether.
I believe Russia has gone out of its way to provide Iran with the defensive capabilities.
Again, speculation on my part, but I would imagine, given the timelines associated with training up an S-400 crew to be combat capable, that these missiles might be manned by Russian crews or at least have Russian advisors on the ground.
The same thing with electronic warfare systems in place, etc.
Also, it appears that Russia may have rush delivered some of their more advanced fighters
to Iran.
And again, here, because the Iranians haven't had a chance to fully train up on these, these
fighters may be flown by Russians.
So theoretically speaking, if Israel were to launch a strike using manned aircraft against
Iran, there's a chance they'll be going up against air defense systems manned by Russians and fighter interceptors manned by Russians. History shows that this is
what Russia has done in the past. They did it in Vietnam, they did it in Korea, and they did it in
Egypt during the Yom Kippur War and the War of Attrition. And there's no reason to believe that
Russia wouldn't be doing that today. We have a clip of President Biden in which he refers to Iran as defeated and ineffective.
But in fairness to him, listen to the whole clip. It's not that long. It's maybe
30 seconds, and it's only about a half an hour old. Chris, cut number 21.
A few words about Iran's missile attack on Israel today.
At my direction, the United States military actively supported the defense of Israel,
and we're still assessing the impact.
But based on what we know now, the attack appears to have been defeated and ineffective.
And this is testament to Israeli military capability and the U.S. military.
It's also a testament to intensive planning between the
United States and Israel to anticipate and defend against the brazen attack we expected.
Of what did, first of all, what is your opinion of what President Biden just said,
defeated and ineffective? Well, I mean, his words don't match the video evidence that has been presented so far
on Telegram, on X, on TV. Again, until a final battle damage assessment can be made,
it's hard to say. One way an attack could be ineffective is if, for instance,
Nevada Air Base had been emptied of all critical assets and literally the
Iranians struck empty shelters, then you could say it was ineffective. But what he's doing right now
is classic American doublespeak. The United States does not want this to escalate at all. And the key aspect to escalation
is the concept of deterrence, modes of deterrence. If Iran has done something that both Israel and
the United States publicly say shows the ineffectiveness of Israel's defenses. Israel has lost any notion of deterrence
and stability goes along with that. I think the United States is anxious to keep Israel from
over-escalation, meaning they know that Israel is going to retaliate. Iran knows Israel is going to
retaliate. What the United States is trying to do is create a set of circumstances that allow Israel
the ability to retaliate with a significant
strike, but not something that prompts an immediate Iranian retaliation, and withdraw
back to its borders, maintaining the fiction of effective missile defense, so that politically
Netanyahu has some sort of cover to hide behind.
And that appears to be what he's doing. I don't know how long
this subterfuge, if indeed it is subterfuge, can last. There is commercially available
satellite imagery. Eventually, we're going to get to know what was hit in Israel and
how badly it was hit. The Iranians will publish a target list and the truth will come out. But I
think right now, Biden is desperately trying to contain a situation that has gone grossly out of
control. The U.S. Navy did not stop this attack. It was supposed to, but it did not stop this
attack. It did intercept a handful of missiles. But again, the Iranians have had some time now to figure out America's shipworn anti-missile defense protocols.
And I would imagine that they did things designed to get the radars to lock on to certain targets, which were decoysoys and then confused the firing solution by
mixing up the the missiles coming in and in the end result was saturation and it
was the ineffectiveness was on the part of the because too many missiles hit the
ground simultaneously for anybody to believe the notion that the United States and Israel had an effective defense.
Are United States defenses on the ground in Israel, or did they all come
from naval ships in the Mediterranean? No, I believe that the United States has both. We
have the ships, which provide the bulk of it in terms of the numbers, but we've also deployed one and maybe two THAAD batteries.
THAAD are a more advanced intercept capability than the Patriot.
We also may have some Patriot batteries on the ground, especially since we put American
troops on the ground.
We'll be protecting them with American assets.
We would never allow American troops to be deployed and only have
Israeli assets on them. We provide our own force protection. So, you know, we have ground-based
interceptors in Israel, as well as the sea-based interceptors.
Is Netanyahu afraid? Is he scared it's hard for me to get I know he's fearful of his political future
um he's somebody who's been saying he wants to have this decisive moment of conflict with Iran
for some time now um I I don't know what is being briefed I would imagine that if he's being briefed, honestly, he should be afraid. He should be very afraid because what the Iranians demonstrated today
is that Israel is effectively defenseless in the face of a concerted Iranian attack,
that if the Iranians wanted to, they could time this attack differently. They timed it at night
when facilities will be empty, when the Israelis would have had enough time to evacuate, put people in bomb shelters.
If the Iranians wanted to pull an Israel, for instance, a Daiwa-type doctrine, which Israel is doing against Lebanon right now,
collective punishment of the Lebanese population for the sins of Hezbollah, Over a thousand innocent Lebanese have been killed.
I have friends of mine over there who are scared to death because of what's going on,
and they are civilians. They have nothing to do with Hezbollah, nothing to do with anything,
just living their lives, and yet their lives are at risk because of the irresponsible actions of
Israel. If Iran were to replicate the Israeli approach and apply a collective punishment thing,
they could easily have killed several thousand Israelis tonight, but they chose not to. They
chose to strike military targets only, and they did so at a time when Israel would be able to
evacuate and put people in. So this was not an attack designed to inflict casualties. This was an attack designed to
send a very stark message that the next time you won't be so lucky. And the other thing they did,
and this is something that should resonate with the Israelis, if indeed they took out
the Vatim airbase, which it appears that they struck many, many times, every Israeli pilot
that takes off to strike Iran in the back of their head has to
wonder whether or not there will be an airbase waiting for them when they come home. Because
what Iran did there can be, and that's the most heavily guarded airbase that where the most
valuable assets are, that can be replicated at every single airbase in Israel. And the time of
flight, five to 15 minutes. It takes the Israeli Air Force far longer.
So by the time the Iranians detect the Israeli Air Force being launched against them,
they will detect it.
The Russians will detect it.
They'll get the early warning.
They could literally saturate these air bases,
and there won't be any airfields left in Israel for these aircraft to return to.
What is Prime Minister Netanyahu doing to Israel?
Big picture. Well, he's killed Israel. I mean, I think strategically Israel's finished.
You know, what we're looking at right now is noise. The key thing we have to look at is
long-term economic viability, because from that comes social stability, political stability,
military security. You know, we're in a situation
right now where Netanyahu has launched a conflict against Hezbollah. Iran just put a marker on it
saying, we're not going to let you destroy Hezbollah. We're not going to let you go in that
direction. The purpose of this conflict was to return 60,000 Israelis to their
settlers, to their homes in the north of Israel. They'll never be able to return home now.
It just isn't going to happen void of a comprehensive peace settlement,
which will cost Netanyahu his job because it'll be inclusive of a ceasefire
agreement with Hamas, which he said will never happen.
So, you know,
Netanyahu has basically sacrificed Israel for his own personal political
ambition. He desperately wants to, you know,
leave office with a legacy of that of a winner, a victor. This is the ultimate
sin of a narcissist full of hubris. And that's who Benjamin Netanyahu is. And he's,
he sacrificed the long-term viability of Israel because their economy is in tatters right now.
They're never going to get the 60, back uh the port of eli is is shut down
that's costing them billions hypha is under attack that's not an effective port ashkelon gas uh
facility was struck that's an energy problem for israel uh you know israel is unsustainable
economically and unsustainable right now in terms of their social reality. Politically, you have an evenly
divided country. I again remind people that prior to October 7th, the Israeli president was speaking
of civil war, and those emotions still run high. This is all because of Benjamin Netanyahu. He has
destroyed Israel, destroyed Israel's long-term viability, and he's sacrificing everything just
so that he
can retain a legacy that's already tarnished. He will never recover from this. He will always be
a genocidal, murderous maniac, a man who killed Hind Rajab. That's what I will forever remember
him as, the man who murdered a six-year-old girl who was desperately crying for help,
and there's no forgiving this. I was surprised to hear you say, because I
haven't heard anybody else report it, that the Jordanians provided defenses for the Israelis
and boasted about it. Isn't the king of Jordan on thin ice with his own people? I realize he's a
king, he's a monarch, he probably has limitless power within the Hashemite kingdom, but isn't he really going against the grain to
have his military do that? He has no choice. He sold his soul a long time ago to Israel and to
the United States. He functions as an extension of the Israeli security apparatus. Jordan is a
shield to Israel, and one of the shields they apparatus. Jordan is a shield to Israel.
And one of the shields they provide
is suppression of Palestinian statehood.
Jordan, the King of Jordan,
is not supportive of a Palestinian homeland.
He's fearful of the Palestinian people.
He is, of course, walking a thin line,
as you said right now,
because the emotions in the region
lend itself to support for Palestine.
His wife is Palestinian. But at the end of the day, you know, he will do what he is conditioned
to do. His Pavlovian response is when threats emerge to Israel, Jordan's job is to eliminate
the threats that Jordan is capable of doing. His missiles did shoot down a number,
when I say a number, one, two, three of Iran's missiles. One of the debris from one of those shoot downs landed in a Palestinian village, killing a Palestinian individual. But, you know,
again, the King of Jordan is a man who I think is widely reviled amongst the Palestinian people,
even his own people, and in the Arab world,
is a man who sold out to Israel a long time ago. Last question, President Erdogan of Turkey. Is
in your view the assassination of Nasrallah enough to get him to do something, whether it's
militarily or economically? All he has to do is make a phone call and turn off the spigot of oil that goes to Israel, no? Yeah, he doesn't even have
to make a phone call. He just does it. I mean, it's Turkish pipelines. He doesn't have to clear
it with Azerbaijan, although he and Azerbaijan are very good allies. And, you know, that's what
makes it difficult is Azerbaijan. This is an important, you know, economic and geopolitical thing. And also remember, Turkey wants to preserve its potential as a regional
gas hub. And you can't be a regional gas hub. The key thing to energy security, and this is what
people tend to forget, is the moment you start turning on and off pipelines for because of
geopolitical pressure, you're no longer a reliable source of energy security.
To be a supplier of energy, you supply energy come hell or high water. This is what Russia's
done. I mean, there was a lot of people before the Ukraine conflict that said that Russia would
weaponize its energy. Russia never weaponized. Russia has met every single contract because
that's what you have to do to be a reliable supplier of energy. Azerbaijan desires to be a reliable supplier of energy,
and Turkey desires to be a regional energy hub,
which means you have to be a reliable supplier of energy.
So anybody waiting for him to shut down the oil,
you've got to think strategically and understand that's not something Turkey is going to do.
And until Turkey is willing to do that, I think we have to take at face value
any rhetoric that comes from Erdogan about confronting Israel.
Turkey has a military capable of confronting Israel.
If it chose to do so, it will not do so.
This is just posturing by Erdogan.
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