Judging Freedom - Ukraine Russia War & Air Defense w Phil Giraldi fmr CIA

Episode Date: July 25, 2023

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Thank you. Hi, everyone. Judge Andrew Napolitano here for Judging Freedom. Today is Monday, July 24th, 2023. The Secretary of State says Russia has lost. The President of the United States says Russia has lost. What kind of nonsense is the CIA feeding to these guys? We will talk about that with the great Phil Giraldi in just a minute, but first this. Hi, everyone. Judge Andrew Napolitano here, and the verdict is in. Everywhere I go, people are asking me, why is everything so expensive? And why are their stomachs churning when they look at their IRA accounts? Listen, many experts suggest that we are about to approach a recession. When it's going to come, no one knows.

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You can see if you qualify for a $15,000 bonus in gold, that offer won't last forever. So call now, 800-511-4620. That's 800-511-4620. or go to learjudgenap.com. So I want you to take a look at a statement made by President Biden right about the time you were writing your piece at Vilnius. After Vilnius, he went to Helsinki. After Vilnius, you wrote a brilliant analysis of it. Here's what President Biden had to say with apologies for him, because a lot of it's nonsensical. The issue of whether or not this is going to keep Putin from continuing to fight, The answer is Putin's already lost the war.

Putin has a real problem. How does he move from here? What does he do? And so the idea that there's going to be what vehicle is used, he could end the war tomorrow. He could just say, I'm out. But what agreement is ultimately reached depends upon Putin and what he decides to do. But there is no possibility of him winning the war in Ukraine. He's already lost that war. Imagine if even if anyway, he's already lost that war. What kind of nonsense? How dangerous is it for the president to be making statements so contrary to reality?

Well, he's completely delusional. There is absolutely no evidence that for Russia to be losing the war, Ukraine would have to be winning it. There is no evidence to support any of that. The whole thing is he's trying, I think the president is trying to make a case by repeating over and over and over again that we're winning the war. And this is largely a political gesture on his part, because I think there's also a sense that the American public, as well as the European public, is getting awfully tired of this and is fearful of what the consequences of all this can be. Already, there have been, of course, economic consequences,

much more serious in Europe than here. But the fact is that this is going nowhere. And the whole idea that Russia is going to surrender, because that's basically what Biden was just saying, that he can end it in one day by quitting. You know, come on. That's not going to happen. So it's it's politics, I think. This guy doesn't really know what he's talking about a lot of the time. And when he does talk, it's usually something that's kind of stitched together that rolls out of his head without much sense. You and I have talked about this many times, but on the ground in Ukraine, are your former colleagues, agents of the CIA, risking their lives to gather true and accurate data to report back to their bosses in Langley, ultimately to report it to the president. How do

they react when they see the president of the United States saying something that's 180 degrees from what they are observing with their eyes and hearing with their ears? Well, they react with shock. And from what I'm hearing now, you know, this story has finally kind of turned a corner. And there are people in the Pentagon who are kind of privately talking to journalists and among their friends and saying this is not going anywhere from a military perspective. And of course, you know, there's a large CIA station in Kiev right now and scattered around the country. A hundred men is what are a hundred people is what I've heard. And these people are coming up with on the ground assessments,

which I'm sure do not support what the President of the United States is saying. But he's getting his inputs from people like Tony Blinken, who are as delusional as he is. And, you know, he's not really talking or he's talking to the director of CIA, who clearly is coming out with a lot of nonsense, too, which kind of surprises me. This guy had a reputation of being pretty much a straight shooter and honest, but we're seeing something quite different. So the director of the CIA, Bill Burns, I don't know if you know him personally, but you're certainly familiar with his reputation, has been feeding these lies to Joe Biden with such skill and alacrity that old Joe has made Bill Burns a member of the cabinet. Now, the director of the CIA has not been a member of the president's cabinet since back in the Reagan era. How significant is that? Or what are the tea leaves we should read into that? The CIA and the White House? Well, I think this is working,

or they think it's working on a couple of levels. I think it's partly done to support the argument that this is a good policy, that this policy is all going in the right direction and will keep Americans safe. Now we have national security all over the place in the president's cabinet up to and including the cia director so this is a kind of a propagandistic move on the part of the president to sell a product and i think that's that's kind of a way to look at it um nobody that is in any position to be seeing the raw intelligence on what is going on in Ukraine can believe anything along the lines of what we're hearing. Does the director of the CIA, now a member of the cabinet, and he's not subject to the Secretary of State, he's not subject

to anybody but the president, see the raw intelligence or state it differently? Does he know that the material he's giving to the president is BS, or does he think it's accurate? Well, I think the director of CIA very rarely sees raw intelligence. They see finished intelligence, and finished intelligence is what analysts put together to forward up the food chain to the consumers. Now, the consumers basically are people like the president and in his cabinet and working down from there. These are people who are very political, and they want to see a certain thing in the reporting that works its way up to their desks. So I don't think they very often see raw intelligence, no. Give us an example, either hypothetically or from your own experience of raw intelligence. What is raw intelligence as opposed to refined intelligence? Well, raw intelligence, shall we say, from the military or Pentagon

perspective would be order of battle on the ground and who's getting killed and who's getting pushed back and that sort of thing. Now, there is other raw intelligence that is very relevant to what we're seeing and hearing, which would be more in the CIA area. And that would be political assessments about what's going on inside the government of Ukraine and what the real capabilities of that government might be and what the intentions are. Now, one thing that we know Biden is very nervous about is Zelensky starting World War III, and yet he's handing him weapons that could be used to escalate into something like that. And so there's a constant kind of concern that Zelensky is going to take these cluster bombs and other long-range weapons and turn this war, which is

a regional war, into something much bigger. You made that very point in your piece at the UN's review called A Bit of Political Theater in Vilnius, in which you commented on and quoted from Sergei Lavrov, who's the very astute, highly respected Russian foreign minister, in which he says, we have informed the nuclear powers, the United States, Britain, and France, doesn't mention Israel, but another story for another time, that Russia cannot ignore the ability of the F-16s that Joe Biden has sent over here to carry nuclear material. And then he goes on to say, you don't, surely don't expect our soldiers and our pilots to look at the plane and say well that can carry nuclear material I better get rid of it and that

one can't and I can avoid it the fact that you're sending these planes over there is the most provocative thing you can do Joe Biden I think I have fairly summarized the quote that you um extracted from uh foreign minister uh Lavrov so, don't Tony Blinken, the Secretary of State, Bill Burns, the head of the CIA, about whom we've been speaking, tell Joe Biden how dangerous this is to provoke the Russians in this area of the use of nuclear weapons by sending jets, however old they may be and however long it may take for the Ukrainians to learn how to use them, jets that can carry nuclear weapons? Well, I rather suspect that they haven't told him that in so many words. I think there is an awareness in the government among the people who are awake at the moment that this is a provocative move.

But the cluster weapons are a provocative move, too. learned of course that uh joe biden was activating army reservists 3 000 reservists uh being sent possibly to poland right on the border where where all this this escalation is going on so they're taking a bunch of provocative steps they should know better in a way they don't seem to know better and this is what's really scary about this. Let's take a look at Tony Blinken. If Joe Biden got under your skin, Tony Blinken will get even deeper. Watch this. In terms of what Russia sought to achieve, what Putin sought to achieve, they've already failed. They've already lost. The objective was to erase Ukraine from the map, to eliminate its independence, its sovereignty, to subsume it into Russia. That failed a long time ago.

Now Ukraine is in a battle to get back more of the land that Russia seized from it. Unlike the Russians, the Ukrainians are fighting for their land, for their future, for their country, for their freedom. I think that is the decisive element, and that's going to play out. But it will not play out over the next week or two. We're still looking, I think, at several months. Is there any truth in what he's saying? Well, you can always tell a Harvard boy to be able to tell a good lie with a straight face. That's total nonsense. If Russia had wanted to, Russia has never had an attention in this war with taking over or or uh subsuming as

you put it Ukraine into Russia that would have guaranteed 40 million unhappy people having to be kept control over by the Russians that was never the intention the intention was to come to grips with the Donvass problem, to create a land bridge connecting Donvass with Sevastopol. And that really was the intention. And that's basically what's been accomplished, although it's being kind of fine-tuned right now. There was never an intention to do any of that stuff that Blinken was talking about. And this is just the propaganda coming out to explain why we fight, why we are there. And of course, it's all nonsense. And is that propaganda based on data he receives from some intelligence source, whether it's CIA or whether it's his own people in the State Department? That's a good question. I would suspect that it's, shall we say,

an interpretation of data and information that's being collected, and it's an interpretation that fits the political agenda, which is probably the way we should look at all of this stuff right now. We're looking at an election next year. We're looking at Joe Biden, if he runs for president, I hope not, but if he runs for president, wanting to look like a successful war leader, protecting the American people against these hideous Russians. So this is a bit of the play going on. Take a look at Secretary Austin, former four-star General Austin, asked about whether or not Ukraine will join NATO. And even though he catches himself and says yes, he seems a little startled at the question. So you have no doubt that after the war, Ukraine will become a member of NATO? I have no doubt that that will happen. And we heard just about every country,

heard all the countries in a room say as much. And I think that was reassuring to President Zelensky. Aren't they crazy to be arguing in public that Ukraine will become a member of NATO right now when Putin is deciding how deep into Ukraine to send his troops? It's not only crazy, it was contradicted by what took place at the summit meeting in Vilnius. They basically came down hard on the position that Ukraine would have to win the war and could not be at war uh to be even considered uh as a NATO member and beyond that um there was a consensus that uh Ukraine is not qualified to become a NATO member in terms of the high level of corruption in the country, the state of its

military, and the fact that it's not a democracy. So there you go. And then President Zelensky called the delay absurd and weak, and he said it publicly, and he said it on social media. He said this about his masters who have fed him, if you add it all up, close to $100 billion in military equipment. Absurd and weak. It's absurd for them to have done that. Of course, that's not the way he means it. Well, the British defense minister had a response to that. He said, isn't it about time you show a little gratitude? Yes. Yes. Why does he show up at these things dressed like he just came out from a tunnel from a rat pit somewhere instead of the way everybody else dresses? Is this, I don't know, a political thing with the people back home that he keeps fatigues on and he's always unshaved and

he always looks unkempt no this is basically done for the foreign audience to make it look like he's a he's a warrior and of course he's he's a little comedian by training uh and uh maybe that's uh that goes a little bit into it too but he was a he was a pathetic figure in Vilnius where he was wandering around in his fatigues. Everybody else was dressed normally. And they had a reception the night before. And he showed up in his fatigues and everybody else was wearing suits. And he was standing alone all by himself. Yes, I saw that picture.

I almost felt sorry for him, although, of course, he's brought a lot of this on himself. When we are speaking about military weapons given by the U.S. to another country, and we use the phrase the Israel model, means that you give this other country money and weapons and you put no restraint or controls over how they use that money and weapons. You look the other way when they start doing nasty things would be coming out of Zelensky, because nobody there at that conference believed that this guy had any restraint. His sole intention in life at this point is to draw the NATO alliance and the United States into a war with Russia, and he'll do whatever it takes. Completely reckless. Did our friend Victoria Nuland make some kind of a power grab recently that did not turn out to her benefit? Well, as far as I know, they still haven't settled things at the State Department in terms of there was a lot of talk that she would be bumped up to the number two position i think you probably is she's de facto that right now uh but it hasn't been confirmed and she was uh recently this last few days heading on a trip to

south africa uh to deal with the um the brick issue and the um the the problem with the american dollar so i don't know why she was the person going there. And there was a lot of concern that she was going to mess it up like she's done with everything else up till now. I guess they want to get her out of any decision making with respect to Ukraine. Take a look at Admiral Kirby, who sounds like Baghdad Bob, on with my friend and former colleague Martha McCallum at Fox News last weekend. What they really need are the four A's, artillery, ammunition, air defense, and armor tanks. And on all four of those, we have provided an extraordinary amount of support at, quite frankly, unprecedented speed. Those are the four capabilities they need

most. And if you look at the packages, just we just announced one yesterday, and there's going to be one here in coming days, you'll see that we are really trying to get them those kinds of capabilities. Now, look, the F-16s will get there probably towards the end of the year, but it's not our assessment that the F-16s alone would be enough to turn the tide here. What they really need more than anything of all those four A's is artillery. And that's why the president made a difficult decision to provide cluster munitions as a bridging solution as we build up our production capacity

of normal conventional artillery rounds. That's what they're, they're firing thousands of them a day. It's really a gunfight. Let me get this straight. The Ukrainians have run out of artillery. The Americans have run out of artillery ammunition. The Americans have run out of these shells in order to give to the Ukrainians.

So instead, we send cluster bombs, which are outlawed in 90 percent of the planet. Yeah, that's exactly is going to sell. I mean, does he seriously think that given the manpower disparities, apart from anything else, between what Russia has in terms of trained soldiers and what Ukraine has, it's giving them more technology that they might do really stupid things with is a good idea. I mean, this is idiotic. How much longer will the American public, and maybe this is an unfair question because you're not on the political side, tolerate all these lies and misleading statements, whether it's from the president or whether it's from the

secretary of state or the secretary of defense or the chief spokesperson for the National Security Council. I mean, we almost have a lock on this. What the four of them just said is the same thing that you see in the New York Times, the Washington Post, I'm sorry to say at Fox News as well. How much longer will it be before the American public wakes up and says, you have no off-ramp, Joe Biden? The Russians have won the war already, Joe Biden. What the hell have you been telling us, Joe Biden? Yeah, well, I think in a way you answered your own question. Essentially, the reason why the American public isn't already screaming about all of this is because the media is giving

friendly cover to the White House. And that's, you go to, if you watch something, go to CNN, go to MSNBC, go to NBC, you're going to see the same stuff coming out all the time about the Russians, the monstrous Russians, and the horrible things they've been doing, and so on and so forth. And it just keeps getting reiterated and reiterated and reiterated. And it goes nowhere. And the public is not hearing the truth. I think this move to send the reserve soldiers to Eastern Europe could start to wake people up, except, again, it's not being very fully reported in the U.S. media. Right, right. Phil Giraldi, always a pleasure, my dear friend.

Thank you very much for joining us. As I missed the show and the work, I miss my guests, among which are you, of course. Thank you very much for coming on today. More as we get it. Thank you, Phil. And before this week is over, Matt Van Dyke, I can't even tell you where he's going to be coming from. Colonel McGregor, Scott Ritter, Matt Ho. And whenever we get it, we'll be in front of these cameras.

Judge Napolitano for judging freedom. Thank you.