Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Alec Baldwin on TLC, Traitors Cast and RHONJ Cancelled

Episode Date: June 6, 2024

Alec and Hilaria Baldwin are following in the footsteps of Kate Gosselin and will be exploiting their kids on TLC. The Traitors cast is announced and I predict a housewife fight. Kanye West is sued by his former assistant for sexual harassment. Dina Manzo of RHONJ ex husband is convicted of hiring a hit man. The Real Housewives of New Jersey will not have a reunion. I get into why I think Bravo made that decision. Then I speak to Karyn DeSimone, a hair stylist who worked with some of the New Jersey Housewives and now feels very taken advantage of and betrayed. We get into how glam works in reality shows and why contracts are necessary. She reveals some secrets and it’s so juicy! Enjoy! Go to https://www.Ro.Co/JUICYSCOOP and sign up today and you’ll pay just $99 for your first month—and $145 a month after that.Medication costs are separate. Get 15% off OneSkin with the code JUICY at https://www.oneskin.co/#oneskinpod Shop Juicy Scoop Merch https://juicyscoopshop.com  Get EXTRA Juicy on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop  Follow Me on Social Media Instagram: https://www/instagram.com/heathermcdonald  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald  Twitter: https://twitter.com/HeatherMcDonald Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Well, I had the best time at the Pechanga in Temecula. The crowd was amazing. I loved the theater and I'm so excited to be coming next to the Hard Rock in Tampa, everybody. And that is one show, one night only, Thursday, June 20th. And then we are off to the Plaza Live Theater in Orlando, Florida, Friday, June 21. Everything is at heathermcdonald.net.

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for me to come record this show. So Brandon was driving me so that I can prepare even more because I have so much juicy scoop to deliver today. And all of a sudden, you know, he goes, Oh my God, and he and I get nervous. I'm looking at my phone. I think we're about to get an accident. He sees something horrible. No, he's like Jojo Siwa. So she's going down Ventura Boulevard and I'm like, we gotta follow her. And it is, you know, a lot of people have seen that she has a wrapped Tesla with her name all over it. She now has a wrapped Lamborghini SUV dedicated to her hit song Karma's a Bitch. So we started following her.

Now this is very close to my neighborhood. This is minutes from my house. And I was like, I don't know what we're gonna do. So we take, I'm filming it, and he takes his phone and we start blasting Karma's a Bitch, but this is a single highway type of situation. So otherwise I would have come to the side of her and waved and let her know I'm playing her song because I know she wants people to know her song.

So anyway, then we get to where her house is and she pulls in. Now I'm not gonna go on her property, but I'm like, I live in the neighborhood. I'm just gonna act like I'm a mom walking who runs into her. So I start walking and I'm just going to act like I'm a mom walking who runs into her. So I start walking and I'm like, JoJo. And she goes, oh, hey.

And I go, it's Heather Ritchall from Juicy Scoop. And then she just slammed the door. And it was like, it wasn't too far from her gate, which her house is gated, and her front door. I don't know if she heard the Juicy Scoop part, but yeah.. I don't know if she heard the juicy scoop part, but yeah. So I don't know. She wasn't as into it as I thought. And but it was an exciting morning. And I just this is a day in the life of chasing the scoop as an investigative pop culture export expert slash comedian that I am. And I'm bringing it to you guys all the time. But I didn't think she,

I thought she'd be excited to see me being that her, she has a car wrapped up in her name, two of them. One with just her name and one with her hit song. So I thought she'd be excited that I talk about her incessantly. Okay. Oh my God, another prediction you guys of mine. Is it a full prediction? I don't even know anymore. Obviously you're gonna be like, Heather prediction you guys of mine. Is it a full prediction?

I don't even know anymore. Obviously you're gonna be like, Heather, we all thought that. I'm quite shocked. Alaria Baldwin and her husband Alec Baldwin are going to have a reality show on TLC. To me, this is like really bottom of the barrel. I mean, I'm just, I guess I'm not surprised. The reason he was doing these movies in which one resulted in horrific tragedy

death because they are not huge budget and he would have to, you know, sometimes he was the producer on them. We'll get into that what's going on right now with the trial of the tragic death of the Rust movie was because he's one of these guys that had six kids or seven, seven, all seven kids. You know, after he turned 50, he had seven kids with Hilaria. And, you know, he didn't even know that she grew up in Boston. He thought she grew up in Spain until we all talked about it and realized that she didn't. That was six kids, then another one came.

Anyway, we all know the story of Hilaria about how do you say a cucumber? And that she just decided to tell the world that she actually was Spanish and came from Spain when she grew up in Boston, went to college there. And I mean, there's so much to the story. And we've talked a lot about it in Justes Q. But in their video to promote their show, they're doing that, Oh, aren't they a sassy funny couple? And he's sitting there and she goes, stand up straight. I don't want to look taller than you. We're going to have a reality show. Yes, we are. And like she's kind of getting out of the accent. A lot of people in the comments were like, wait, where's the accent? I think that she is not going

to push that at all. But if she's been talking like this for 15 years, I don't know that we're going to see the accent go in and out. Maybe TLC figures enough people will watch it just try to catch her going in and out of the accent and continuing to cosplay that she has a whole nother identity. I don't know. But the kids are all running around and it is just, it's just so sad. Like on so many levels, when he was married to Kim Bassinger, they had a, he was so angry.

When he, now this was another Kim Bassinger even lived closer to my childhood home, which you know, I bought the house next door to my parents. She lived up the street before she married him. Then she married Alec and she brought home Ireland Baldwin to her house. And that is where he was so angry that the paparazzi followed him home and he threw and he put like whipped cream or shaving cream all over the paparazzi's window of his car because he was parked across the street trying to get any image of them coming home

from the hospital. He hated the paparazzi. He beat up the paparazzi. He hated them. And then, of course, there was the time that then they were going through a tumultuous divorce, which, again, I saw the two of them with their daughter at a play place when she was about eight,

and I was with my niece and nephew. And then they get a divorce and as teenagers do, I guess the daughter maybe didn't feel, maybe she had plans, maybe she had a slumber party. She didn't, even though it was her dad's time to see her, whatever, she, in his opinion, blew her off. And that's where he left the famous voicemail of calling his daughter a little pig who was 13. And Kim Bassinger

released it to let the world know he was such a dick because they were going through custody battles and everything. Ireland now has a good relationship with her stepmom, Hilaria, and a great relationship with her dad, apparently. She was part of his roast and made fun of that voicemail and everything. But obviously, it's just weird that now you're going to relationship with her dad apparently. She was part of his roast and made fun of that voicemail and everything. But obviously it's just weird that now you're going to put all seven kids, they're all being featured, we're all going to know what they look like on a major TV show, that on a network that just takes people and families that are like desperate for a living, whether it's Kate Plus Eight, what was that? Originally it was Kate Plus Eight, but before that it was called whatever. Before they got divorced, then it was Kate Plus Eight. The Little People,

all of those shows. There's people on TLC that out- know, out-daughtered. I get it. I get if somebody had sextuplets or in the case of, you know, Kate Plus Eight, you have all these kids and you're like, how am I going to afford it? This is a working actor. Now, maybe he feels at this point, this way I can stay home with my kids. I don't really want can't really do movies anymore. I'm still facing charges, which that whole case is is disturbing that let me the latest is the convicted Rust Arminer, who is the young woman. Prosecutors want her to testify at Alec Baldwin's trial. They do. The prosecutors want her to because it would hurt his case. She does not want to because she feels her testimony would hurt her appeal because she has been convicted of putting the real ammunition in the gun, but the question is, did he actually shoot it or not or point it? Because whether there's fake ammunition or real ammunition, what he did was also a

no-no on set. So that's where that gets. And so then as this comes out, you know, either, oh, we're going to have this fun show or we talk about, you know, making, you know, Spanish-flan dessert. I don't know. But I just think it's weird that you're going to, as an actor, you know, who always cried for privacy is now going to expose your minor children who have no say in this. I'm curious if being this a TV show, are these kids each getting a salary every time they appear in an episode? Because this is cable, is this no residuals? How much are they making off of this and are

they protecting their kids as if they were on a Disney show that is SAG-AFTRA? Is it SAG-AFTRA? That's my other question. Because Illinois is the only state that is now insisting that minors who are being used for content in which their parents are making money on social media, they are to be entitled to that money that is earned. And a lot of these now adults that were raised against their will on family YouTube shows and things are speaking up and telling their stories of what it was like to see their mom. Some of these

people weren't even like, the parents didn't even make money. They're just coming out and being like, my mom got into Facebook and talked about when I got my period when I was nine years old and everybody knew and then then another more famous vlogger family the girl was followed home by a strange man. They didn't like it. Their parents aren't making comments now. I've been talking a lot about this. And so then here's that's my other question of how does it work when you're just the children of reality stars, whether it's Real Housewives, those kids don't get a salary. How does it work for Alec Baldwin? I would have much rather seen Hilaria join Real Housewives of Beverly Hills or one of those.

And we not see a ton of the kids, and we just see her going on a trip, talking about Alec, being an asshole, getting in a fight with someone. That I much, much would have preferred, but the money would not have been as great as just having your complete own show and exploiting all your kids. So that's my thoughts on it. Okay. Another sexual harassment lawsuit. This time, Kanye West is being sued for sexual harassment by his ex-assistant. This is a very weird story. So this is a former executive and personal assistant. Her name is Lauren Piscotti and she's filed a lawsuit against him alleging sexual harassment,

wrongful termination, breach of contract and creating a hostile work environment. So she claims that he hired her in July of 21, Kanye did, after meeting her during a development of his fashion line. She alleges that he initially offered her a salary of $1 million a year to delete her OnlyFans account because that's when he was acting like a super Christian. She said she agreed to, however, he would have to pay her more. So she eventually got promoted and was making $4 million a year. And then she was fired in October of 2022 and offered a $3 million severance package,

but was never paid. And that is when shortly after she decided to come with this lawsuit, which has a lot of receipts. And these receipts are very dirty, nasty. He would write her, he would text her, which almost sounds sort of lyrical, but very dirty about how he wants to eff her and he wants to see other men eff her

and all of this stuff. And she has those texts from him. He also sent her videos of him having sex with a model. He was, at times when they were talking, he would be masturbating to her. This is all part of her lawsuit. She also said that she was helping to arrange like five sums with him and Bianca.

And it is just really disgusting. Now he has responded and he is counter suing her and he's suing, she's saying that it's, he's saying it's extortion. He's saying that she, Kanye saying that she, the ex-assistant, solicited him for sex and offered to give him sex on his birthday and insisted on expensive gifts and all these other things.

And then when he fired her, this is her retaliation. He also said that she must have gotten into his phone and there was a lot of unhinged conduct, and all these, she was demanding unreasonable sums of cash, and his team goes on to accuse her of sending Kanye nudes and soliciting him for sex for herself, all of which the rep claims Yi denied that sex. So now they're both, I guess, saying that these texts or whatnot

have been, are not real. It's easy to find if they were or not through the cloud and through, you know, forensic technology. But it just is so gross. I just can't even imagine what the Kardashians are doing right now with this one. It's just embarrassing and gross. And from what I've read in her lawsuit, it sounds like she has more evidence than he. So good luck with that one. I know I have told you about how I love shopping with Quince. I love my items. I have 14 carat simple jewelry. I feel like it's quite luxury. I'm stepping up my game like a classy lady.

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not as familiar with those shows and I don't talk about them that much on this show, I'm just going to focus on the cast that I know that you guys will be super into. Tom Sandoval of Vanderpump. Britney Spears' ex-husband, Sam. That hot piece of ass is joining the Traders. Chanel from Real Housewives of Dubai. Crichelle from Selling Sunset, which, I mean, she's great and fun to watch. Sierra, the beautiful girl from Summer House. Dolores from New Jersey, which will get into a

lot of New Jersey scoop later on in the show. I have an incredible, a juicy interview from someone who worked with one of the housewives on that show. Durenda, you know I'm gonna tell you something right now. You know, I'm not a traitor. I'm a faithful. And you know, for you and Loris to be a housewife and accuse me of doing something I did not do, Richard knows I'm not a traitor. Richard knows. That's what I'm hoping for. They allow drinking in the Scottish castle. So that should be fun. Dylan Efron, who I think is Zach Efron's brother, it sounds like they just said from what sounds like a podcast. I don't know who Dylan Efron is. Gabby, who was a cute bachelorette from a couple years back, and Wells Adam,

Adam, who's from Bachelor in Paradise, who married the actress from Modern Family. And he was on Bachelor like years ago, but he has managed to stay relevant and work on other shows. And he's pretty likable and cute. So I think that'll be, I think it's a real fun cast. Remember there was rumors that it was Paris and Nikki, Nicole Richie that obviously we know now that's not true, but I think that's a great cast. And I think, oh, also Robin Dixon from Real Housewives of Potomac. She is not returning to Potomac, so I'm glad that she got a job.

So there you go with that. Talking about New Jersey, let's just get into it. And then I'm going to do some more topics, and then we will get to my interview with a former hairstylist of The Real Housewives of New Jersey. So big news came a couple days ago. There will be no Real Housewives of New Jersey reunion. This is very big news. With everything that's going on, you guys, let's just get into what's going on.

We know about the reality reckoning. Recently, you know, Caroline spoke again about her ongoing lawsuit suing Bravo, the production company. She's not suing Brandy Glanville because Brandy doesn't have any money. Saying that, however, Brandy sexually assaulted her while they were at the ultimate girls trip. It was not what she wanted. It was an assault. It's traumatizing. And it's because they allowed it to happen and they encouraged it and had her drink. Brandy has been like, this is completely screwed up my life. This isn't true, this is bullshit.

And what I have heard, whether it came from Brandy or other speculation, and I believe this is true, is this narrative and lawsuit coming from Caroline, is it so we never see the ultimate girls trip? Because what I've heard is that they got into talking about this situation with Caroline Manzo's family and her sister, Dina Manzo, who was on the first two seasons of Real Housewives of New Jersey. And there's stuff going on

with that case, and she didn't want it to ever see the light of day. So therefore, by bringing this lawsuit, we will never see it. Meanwhile, Camille Grammer has said, this is such a shame. I'm on it. Gretchen Rossi from Real Housewives of OC is on it. It was such a great season. I can't believe no one's going to see it. I also have not heard of any new seasons of Ultimate Girls Trip being in production. Is that dead forever? What's going on? Going back to this being canceled. So a couple days ago it was announced, it was canceled. Andy addressed it on his radio show saying, I think when you guys see the final episode, you're going to realize that we don't need a reunion.

It's so explosive, it's so juicy, you are going to feel satisfied and full, and you won't care about a reunion. Now a reunion, they pay these, the housewives, a lot of money to be on it. It's a big payday, which is why when they canceled the reunion for the Real Housewives of New York, many of the girls, all of the girls were pissed about it because based on their salary, like if you're a Luan,

it's a couple hundred thousand. I remember Lisa Vanderpump saying that she gave up $250,000 by not going on that reunion because she was so disgusted with the puppy gate rumors. She did not want to be in that hot seat and was done defending herself and just refused to do it. So if you don't do it, it gets you in a lot of trouble, but you also miss out on money, which is why people do it, because they make it good. So by cancelling Real Housewives of New York, and that was because Ebony was saying things that Ramona had said that were problematic

and racist, and I think they just decided, we don't want to touch this with a 10-foot pole. The climate of this kind of discussion is just too ugly and dark at this time. And they didn't have one. And the women were pissed because that was a big payday. By not doing it here, this has been such a weird season. We know that I thought the cast never filmed together, but we saw in the last episode that they had this lunch. And Melissa and Teresa, all of them were there. And Danielle, the new girl was there and she's like, this is so comical to me. The way you guys are talking. It was crazy. And the new girl, Rachel goes after Teresa and they have this explosive moment because she feels Teresa has dug up her husband's ex-wife,

who is a drug addict, who has been in prison for drugs and crimes, and is completely estranged from her 16-year-old son, who Rachel, as a stepmother, has actually adopted. So she feels like going after and digging up this woman for content on this show is very hurtful to her family and what she's done as a stepmother. And Teresa is just like denying it.

So that was what we saw on the last episode. We now, I have talked a little bit about this on the show, and it is hard for people to grasp because they're just watching the show or maybe they don't care. But when I talk about real housewives stuff, I always wanna present it in a way that if you're just watching the show or maybe they don't care. But when I talk about real housewives stuff, I always wanna present it in a way that if you're not watching the show,

you will understand why it is juicy and why it's important. What is going on here is this. It has become very clear, the facts are out there. Teresa, who married Louis, Louis is her second husband, and Louis said, on camera, I'm friends with Bo Deedle. He's a top investigator and I have files on every single one of you. Margaret has said that her own son, who never wanted to be part of any of the show, was show was contact and threatened at work by Louie. It was Louie's phone number or someone he hired,

that situation. That was in the last reunion. They come back and Margaret wants nothing to do with it. There is now this woman who had a very, very popular Twitter account called Melissa's Old Nose, which is very mean because it's mocking Melissa, Teresa's sister-in-law, who had a nose job. Who the fuck hasn't? I think every single person on this cast has had a nose job. They've certainly all had some form of plastic surgery,

but whatever. That was the name of it, obviously being a pro-Teresa account because Teresa and Melissa have always been at odds. Sometimes they get along a little bit, but they've never liked each other. They've always been at odds. She would put out stuff that would be very, very negative towards other cast members. She has now come completely clean and she is doing interviews and this girl, Melissa's old nose,

is saying, I was contacted by Jennifer Aiden, who then put me in contact with Teresa. I was such a big fan of Teresa's that Teresa was like, here, you gotta put this information out on the internet through your Twitter account. And then that way I can bring it up on camera and we can get these awful rumors out on camera about my castmates. Basically,

that's it, which included finding Rachel Futa's husband's ex-wife and getting ugly things that she's going to say about him, which she was not part of the show. There's no reason to have that woman be brought up. Going after Margaret's business in which they found a little video of some little pilot reel she was doing from a long time ago where she jokingly called her son a now politically incorrect term, which was fine 15 years ago, not okay now. They were going to use that and hire a PR firm. And in that, they were going, they were asking this Melissa Olno's person to write every single one of the stores that her products are in to say, I have a handicapped child. I will no longer buy, shop at Walmart, shop at Kohl's, wherever. So basically the goal was to take down Margaret's business

that she has built for 20 years. That's out there. That is what this person is claiming. That is what she's alleging. And she's showing all these receipts on Twitter. The other thing that's so bizarre is that Louis was engaged to a couple people before Teresa. He had a wife, had two kids,

then had like two broken engagements, then met Teresa. One of those broken engagements is this woman named Vanessa. And Vanessa is come across, she's has a little media fame in that she ran a marathon in her, in the wedding dress she was going to wear to marry Louis, but she doesn't say it, but she's like, articles were written about it. She came up with this lawsuit that when I heard about it, I thought it was crazy, where she said, Louie has hired Bo Deedle to hire actresses to come in and act like clients of mine and ask questions about Louie to me,

to get information about me, and therefore I want a restraining order against Louie. He countered that and said, no, I need a restraining order against Louie. He like countered that and said, no, I need a restraining order against you. And I thought the whole thing seemed thirsty and weird and I didn't know who to believe. According to this now, Melissa's old nose, she is saying, no, this is all true.

They told me about this, I have receipts about it, all of this. It's so ugly and dark because it's really going it's going after his ex fiance's business it's going after Margaret's business if in fact this is all true and she this Melissa all knows lady saying the whole the thing that really drove Teresa to do this is if anyone said anything poorly about her husband, Louis. And people thinking he's shady and because Margaret was vocal about it and because people were discussing it. So the big thing that we're gonna see is that Margaret actually does have contact with Vanessa and Teresa is gonna be like,

look, see they're in cahoots against me. And Margaret said, yeah, I talked to her like we talked to people that know people. This is New Jersey. Like, it's not that weird to talk to someone's husband's ex girlfriend, like, whatever. So that is it's a big mess. And watching it, it is not the juiciest season up until now. Not having a reunion, I think, is a smart move by Bravo. I think this is going to make people want to watch the next few episodes because they weren't. It went down way in ratings.

And also, they're going to save money on not having the reunion. You know, the way this works is this isn't like they're selling ads like the Super Bowl and all of a sudden NBC is going to cancel the Super Bowl and you're like what? You'd miss out on so much ad money. That's not the way Bravo and cable and peacock works. So no one's going to stop watching Bravo or give up their peacock subscription because there isn't a three-part New Jersey reunion. I personally think that this has become like Mary to the Mob. And I think this is scary. I think with all the legal stuff, I think the producers are scared because I think there's

stuff that in the reunion would come out that the producers knew about all this stuff going on behind the scenes to have juicy storylines, even though it's at the expense of people's families and children and businesses. And I think they just don't want any part of it. It's too risky. And it's legally everything. It's just too dark and ugly.

And I have no idea what's going to happen. I really don't even I can't predict if everyone would come back if no one's going to come back if they're going to just scrap New Jersey for two years or something like they did with what's the one that just came back with like Miami like just put it away for a while. Let it breathe. I think I could see that happening because the stuff with Theresa and Louis is so dark and kind of scary. And so it's crazy. And then to add to the next scary, interesting thing. So Dina Manzo, who is Caroline Manzo from early seasons, and Caroline, who I just said, is the one who's suing Bravo now because she finally came back. She wasn't doing any Real Housewives stuff for years.

She finally came back, went on the Ultimate Girls trip, and alleged that Brandi grabbed her boobs and genitals. So, her sister, they were very close. I interviewed Dina a few years ago. It was one of my best interviews. It's in the archives. They were, there was a big age difference between Dina and Caroline.

There was like 10 kids in the family and they were very close. And Dina had a daughter with someone else and then she was single and like living with Caroline and helping with Caroline's kids. And's husband, his brother Tommy, who may have been married before or not, started to show interest in in Dina and they fell in love. So Dina and Caroline are real sisters and then they ended up both being married to real brothers. And those two brothers, Albie and Tommy, they own the brownstone, which all these events are at that were a big part of the thing. And,

and now Caroline's boys both still work there. So they, Dina and Tommy were actually on an episode of my big Wedding or something on VH1 where they had this big wedding and yeah, he cheats a lot but I'm still gonna marry him. That was on there. So anyway, they end up doing the show and we never see Tommy in the little bit that they, that he was on, we like never see him.

They end up separating and getting divorced and she falls in love with this guy named David Canton. He ends up getting attacked in 2015 in like a strip mall parking lot with like some type of weapon. The police and prosecutors find out that Tommy Manzo, her soon-to-be ex-husband, they believed hired someone to do this act and hurt her boyfriend. And in payment for doing that, he had a big, beautiful wedding at the brownstone. Tommy's like, this isn't true, I have nothing to do with it. Then two years later in 2017, Dina and her fiance, David Canton, go back to their home in New Jersey. At this point, they're living in California after the 2015 attack.

They go to go and go to Teresa's daughter's, I believe maybe a first Holy Communion because she's the godmother. They come home that night, two men are there, they physically attack both of them and facial injuries to both of them and I believe that's when Dina then had to get a nose job. She was beautiful before, she's beautiful now, but she was physically attacked, her engagement ring was stolen and the cops look at cameras and everything, and they figure out who did it. Both of those attacks, they believe Tommy Manzo was behind, that he racketeered it, meaning like a mafia thing where he was like the top guy, he made these people do it, but it was his doing. He says, no, no, no, I didn't do

it. He gets arrested and to be put out on bail, he has character letters written about him. Caroline writes a letter in defense of her brother-in-law, former husband of her real sister that she's estranged from, saying he's a good guy, he's a hardworking man, you know, whatever. And people are pretty disgusted. Also, Dolores of Real Housewives of New Jersey wrote a letter in defense of or supporting Tommy Manzo's character. He would never do this. He's an okay guy. He should be out on bail. Well, just yesterday, he was convicted. Now, this is where I'm confused and I looked everywhere and I couldn't find anything on it. He was charged with being behind both

the 2015 account in the parking lot and also the 2017 account in which Dina was also a physical victim. However, according to what I've read, he was only convicted yesterday of being involved with the 2015 account. The guy that actually did it is already been sentenced to doing 30 months. They found paperwork that proved that the guy had this big lavish wedding at the Brownstone and didn't pay for it. That guy already did a plea deal is doing his time. He could be looking up to, I heard 26 to 40 years. I still don't know what happened with the 2017 if that is like got thrown out or if that is another trial,

but that just went down yesterday. So in light of this ugliness, tied to Caroline Manzo, tied to the reality reckoning, the lawsuit, Andy Cohen getting heat, all the ugliness of New Jersey, the reunion, legal stuff. I mean, that is why there's no reunion people. That is why. And I don't know what this means for the state of New Jersey as far as coming back or not. So I hope you followed that. I hope you enjoyed the juiciness in which I told it. Guys, I've been talking about OneSkin.

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at oneskin.co. That's 15% off oneskin.co with code JUICY. The finale of the Valley. Wow, you guys. This was Jackson and Brittany. They open up the Jacks bar. They seem to kind of be getting along during that episode. That's their finale. And then they say, and then six months later or something,

three months later, they pick up the cameras again. And now we're in March. And that is when they announce their separation, that she has moved out Brittany and went to an Airbnb with their son Cruz and they pick up the cameras to have him have some conversations with some of the other cast members and we see Brittany and Jax together. And this was juicy. She comes back and they're talking and he in a scene with one of the other cast members, one of the guys, he's like,

I need therapy. I have a problem with depression. And I take it out on Brittany and I made an appointment with a therapist. So then she comes back into the house with the cameraman there. And she he said, I made an appointment for a therapist like we can work this out. And she goes, when did you make the appointment? He goes, I made an appointment for a therapist. Like, we can work this out. And she goes, when did you make the appointment? He goes, yesterday. And she's like, oh, when you got the call that cameras were coming back here is when you finally made a call to have a therapy appointment.

That's when you did it, when you knew the cameras are going to be here so that you could put that out there. Not when I left. She had already moved out. Not when I left. Not when you were trying to get me back. Not when I left. She'd already moved out. Not when I left. Not when you were trying to get me back. Now for the cameras. And he's just, you know, trying to save himself in this. She is like, you took away my safe space. You made it that I had

to leave because you yell at me and you rage text me and you treat me poorly. And in previous scenes, he's saying, she'll never leave. She'll never leave. We don't believe in divorce. She'll never leave. I think he truly believed she would never leave and he didn't change and he didn't treat her with respect and he really didn't think she would.

I really thought when I heard that she left, I thought that was smart. I thought that would be a wake-up call for him. I now believe I really don't think they're going to be able to get back together and I think that she left. I thought that was smart. I thought that would be a wake-up call for him. I now believe I really don't think they're going to be able to get back together, and I think that is okay. I think that they will be better off as co-parents, and we can see it on the show. She has 1.7 million Instagram followers. She gets a lot of endorsements and brand deals for fashion and fitness and wellness and stuff with kids. So she's like, I'm good. I will be fine without you. And he then said, and then they go back to the confession and she goes, I don't even know that you'll go. He never went to the therapy appointment. He said, well, it was all the

way in Malibu and I just didn't feel like going. And she's like, my point has been made. So I don't know where they are in filing. The other couple did file and they're getting divorced. They are not having a reunion, but I heard they picked up cameras right now. Like they're starting to film again, which I think is really wise. So people are feeling good about Britney standing up for herself. I think it's something good for people to see. I think them sharing all this will maybe help couples, will maybe give certain people a wake-up call about how not to treat their spouse. But then he wrote, I don't have it, but he did a tweet in the middle of the night at 3.41,

Jax did saying, why don't you ask who Brittany's been screwing or having sex with for the last four months? That was at 3.30 in the morning. Of course, Sluice caught it, he has since removed it. So who knows if it's true or if he was spinning after reading all the negative comments about him and he came up with something which is true or not. But you know we thought that the breakup might have been manufactured to get us interested in the Valley because no one was interested in the Valley before it started. And when we

heard that they were broken up, that they were living separately, we watched it but many of us thought it was a publicity stunt. Because just like Jax, we never thought Brittany would leave. We never thought she would. The girl put up with horrible behavior before they were married, him cheating, her knowing that he was cheating, she forgave him. And we just thought, she's that country muffin

who will just put up with it, and she's not. And I think that is kind of a good thing to see, and I wish them the best that they could just be happier not being with each other. But I don't have a lot of hope for them getting back together. Elon Musk has, you know, it's an Elon Musk dart link hookup leaves a remote tribe addicted to porn So finally this tribe got to have access to the internet and now they're saying all these guys are like addicted to porn They are not being social. They're taking on like the white man way of being like I don't know into video games It's I don't know. It's kind of a funny article. I hope everybody's okay.

Also he's going to allow porn. X officially greenlights porn on platforms with a few caveats, which is you will, it'll be like a special subscription type of thing that you have to be over 18, but you will be able to. They're going to be, so I'm curious to see where X will be in the next year or two because I think it is going to be, I felt like it had a dip and now I think more and more eyes will be on it. Oh, here's the Jack's tweet. It said, you may want to ask Britney who she's been sleeping with for the past four months. And that was sent. Oh, this one says 514.

You know what? I wonder if this is true. I wonder if he really did post it because it's not on his page. The other one I saw showed 314, but maybe that would be based on where you're looking at it, like if you're an East Coast or a West Coast person. I don't know. But it's gone now, So either mentioned or not. For our Vanderpump people, follow up.

The, they have still, Ariana and Tom Sandoval has still not settled on the house situation. He offered her 600,000, saying that that would bring the house up to being worth 3.1 million, which is more than face value. She has said, no, I guess they are doing mediation. If they can't settle in mediation, then it will go to trial, but not till 2026.

So I don't, I don't know what's going on with that, but it's still, they're still not settling, okay? Also our favorite, Jo, she did a live and she put a sign saying, no Schwartz zone. It's like, it's over, girl. Like we get it, Schwartz is not trying to call you anymore. But yeah, she became a single white female. If you've never seen that movie, it's very juicy.

It's from like 30 years ago. But like I said on my last episode, she found this hairdresser that's like one degree away from her, cause it was a Kristen Doty friend. And basically I believe has copied everything about her. And it's on the last episode. Okay, this is sad but apparently Brad Pitt is very sad that Shiloh, his daughter, now all the kids had Jolie Pitt as their

last name and Sahara when she went to college removed Pitt from it when she like joined her sorority so she's just Sahara Jolie. Maddox, I don't think he ever had Pitt because she had adopted Maddox before she met Brad. Pax, I don't know where his name is. Vivienne, so Shiloh now is Shiloh Jolie. She has removed Pitt from her name. Vivienne, who is one of the twins, they have boy-girl twins together. Vivian is a co-producer on some play with her mom, and in that it just says Vivian Jolie, and she's like 16, and I think Shiloh is like 19. And I don't a real a few to the dad. According to Page Six, JLo and Leah Remini used to be besties.

And, you know, they did movies together, they did talk shows together. Everyone loved their Bantor. When she married Ben JLo, Leah Remini was not there. People thought they had a rift in their friendship. People wondered if Leah approved of this wedding. Other accounts were her daughter was going to college and that was the move-in weekend, which I can completely relate to not wanting to move. I would not miss my only child or any child's move-in weekend, even if it was J.Lo's wedding. So even if J.Lo does a vow renewal

and it is the weekend that I'm moving, Brand, I'm gonna just say it right now, and I somehow become friendly with them, even though I've talked a lot about them, and I get an invitation and it's J.Lo vow renewal with Ben Affleck and it's the weekend that Brandon moves into Oregon. I'm going to tell you right now, I am not going JLo, okay? So I didn't really believe that they had a riff. But now according to page six, they did have a riff

and it's because Leah did not think it was wise that she marry and get back together with Ben or at least maybe not marry him. And now that they are going through struggles, allegedly she has contacted her as a friend and is like, you know what, I'm here for you, J.Lo, let's talk. So let's see what happens with that. Jay Shetty, okay, I talked about Jay Shetty, this guru guy. I had the author here that wrote the article that exposed that he was a grifter full of shit. Now, he is now a new relationship advisor for Match. Yes, according to this, that was sent to me, date differently with Match and Jay Shetty. So now he is going to give you relationship advice

and how does you find someone on Match. So it's another money grab for him. Probably because of this article, he is no longer getting as many people buying into his MLM coaching scheme or going to see him speak. So, Match jumped on that. They probably aren't juicy scoopers,

didn't know before they did the deal. Britney Spears was in Vegas and allegedly she was hanging out with her ex-fiance Jason Trawick, which everyone always thought he was a nice, good guy. Remember I told you I hung out with him one night and he was about to spill the tea about the relationship and then he realized he better not. So who knows what's going on there. Cher is dating Alexander Edwards who goes by A.E. and she defended him. There was a big fight that he was supposedly

started the fight between Travis Scott and Tyga which is interesting because Travis Scott and Tyga, which is interesting because Travis Scott and Tyga both dated Kylie Jenner and AI also dated Amber Rose, who dated Kanye West, and then Cher, 80 year old Cher is there, and she's like, this isn't true, God. You know, I was watching Cher on E, the movie called Burlesque, and she really did look great.

But I was like, her voice is so weird. I'm like, what if she was like a Hilaria Baldwin, and when no one's around, she's just like, hey, AI, what if she just had an 80-year-old's voice, and it's like, dear AI, why did you start a fight with so many people? And then when people are around, she just clicks back into her Cher impression,

even though she's Cher. And she's like, God, we're at Cannes, and whew. Do you believe in love after love? I know I'm not doing it that well. It's been a really long time, and I just slipped into a Jen Aniston. But her voice is so unique. It just it makes me wonder if that's really her voice. Okay, you guys, I really liked this interview I did. If you're interested

how behind the scenes works with Bravo hair, makeup, glam. Sometimes you they take advantage of these hair people. And there's been discussions about this on New Jersey and I got the inside scoop. So let's go with this interview. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have a Juicy interview coming your way from New Jersey because there's so much going on there. I have Karen DeSimone. She is a hairdresser, stylist, done it all, clear Jersey girl.

How are you? Thank you for joining me. Hi, Heather. Thank you so much for having me on. How are you? Thank you for joining me. Hi, Heather. Thank you so much for having me on. How are you guys? Great. So you reached out to me and then we talked a little bit on the phone. And you know, Jersey has been so crazy this season with the split cast and the storylines being, you know, put out or the storylines almost being created, digging up dirt, having bloggers and people big on Twitter or whatever, put out rumors that then can be said on camera, which then can be part of a storyline about the other

cast members. And I wanted to talk to you because you are a hairstylist and you worked with one of the newer cast members, Danielle. And there's a lot of drama going on with Danielle that we saw in a previous episode where they bring this girl Lena out who said, you know, I did her, she did her hair for free or her makeup. Yeah. She's not, she's not her hairstylist. She actually just helped her and like opened her salon, touched up her extensions

for her. And then she had gotten an invite to Danielle's charity event. And then she went and you know, she showed her support. And then Danielle was like, get her out. She was kicking everybody out, not just her. I also went to that charity event. And she just wanted this VIP with all the housewives and everybody else like kind of watching like the center of the ring. Okay, so you go to this event. People pay to go to this event. I just want to get it. You pay. Well, so yes, people pay to go to this charity event.

You're holding a charity event. And for extra money or for special people, there's a VIP section. There's a VIP. Like their own food and drink. Okay. Yeah, so she had mentioned to me too, oh, we're gonna go on the VIP, go to the VIP,

and then you get there and it's like, it's not really VIP. She wanted the housewives in the center. Again, the glam and everybody, we're all working together. We're all bravo, we're working together. We all feel, you know, we're friends. Even some of the other cast, they brought their friends there and she was like, wanted them out.

So everybody had a bad taste in their mouth about that. I mean, Lena naturally, she went there to support her. I mean, it's really, I mean, even me myself, I was like, you know what, back to like, if we're going to get into a little backstory about me and her. Let's get into your story of how, how you met her and the services that you provided and why you are not too pleased today. Honestly, we met by, I say by, it was like, you know, the stars in the moon. We met in the gym. I happened to talk to her. And then the next day I went into a salon and there she was the first person to

come sit in my chair. And I'm like, randomly you're the girl from the gym. So whatever we linked up. I said, listen, she's like, I have something in the works. I'm like, that's great. I was like, I'm interested. She's like, okay. So we said that we were going to start working together. Now remember Danielle just started this evening. Where you would do her hair for the days that she has a film crew coming. Because how Bravo works is like when you're filming for the show, they're paying out of pocket the talent. For hair and makeup.

For hair and makeup. So again, she was a newbie. She wasn't in the money. So we had made a great deal. So we thought, you know, we're like, oh, we'll work together. I'll do your hair and you promote me. I was also new to social media, not new to hair, but new to social media. Wanted to grow on all that.

So we have like a really great thing going. I mean, she's getting her hair two, three times a week. It's very expensive to do. So I figured. And you're doing it free or basically free in the hopes that when she, not in the hopes, but in the agreement, where it seemed we're going to grow together. You don't have the money for hair and I want the promotion. Let's work together and we'll grow together. Honestly, like I loved her too. Like

we really vied everything was really great. And I did more than just for the show. I did her daughter's hair, you know, did her Christmas cards, did all these things that were off the show as well in hopes that I'm growing with her as a team. So when you would do those things like the Christmas cards, you know, and it hasn't aired yet on the show. Would she tag you then? Or was she like, I'm going to tag you once the show airs? And that's the tricky part. When you're, when they're filming and they're doing all that, none of those books that I do could be aired till the show is aired. So it's like almost an IOU promotion on top of it. It's like, you know, in good

faith. When the show, like when the show airs, I will post something like, um, you gotta watch the birthday party tonight and then a photo of her looking gorgeous. And then she would be like, thanks to Karen. Yeah. For my great like hair. I love a high pony. Thank you to Jenny Jones for my makeup, whatever. Or makeup tag, I'm gonna take that. And you hair, yes. Exactly, so the first season, we did really well with this. When the show was aired, we were put out our work.

Again, get the promotion. She didn't have too much following then, but again, we were building together. Because if it was as far as following, she didn't have much, but again, we're both in hopes of this growing relationship. So then between season, sorry, go ahead. So again, the first season, it really did go pretty smooth. I did the work, then we posted when the season aired and everything was good.

We were good. Everything was good. So then in between season one and two is Vegas Bravo Con. Correct? Correct. Correct. So you guys hadn't started filming, um, New Jersey yet or had you started filming when we had, um, when Bravo Con came? Yes. We actually started filming the second season at that point. And so she says, so she says to you, I want you to come to Bravo Con to help me,

you know, for several days when I have to make all these appearances. And tell me about that experience because we heard some rumblings about the mistreatment of a man on her end. So what do you have to say about that? I don't want to say mistreatment because I don't think at the time that maybe, although now looking back, you know, you're like, oh, maybe she was doing it purposely and didn't care But I don't think she was trying to do it with care. I think she was trying to

Budget within herself again. Remember, she's a newbie everything with her is a budget. So she was looking for a hotel She put us in it was not on the strip. Everybody was on the strip. It wasn't in the best of neighborhoods It really was it was a crappy motel. And at the time she did recognize that it was, but even my husband, he was like, Oh, let me get you out of there. Move me, whatever. And I'm like, you know what? That's not going to look right. You know, now I'm moving myself. Like, let's just leave it be. But then of course, the cast realized that we were in this hotel and that you you and the makeup artist. Me and the makeup artist correct and you guys were only

doing her. We were only doing her we were over and it was taking us like 30 minutes to get to them. We were getting up extra early just for uber then coming back was a nightmare at some point like we were waiting hours for kids one time even one of the cast members she saw us and she's like get in because we That was a nightmare. At some point, like we were waiting hours for Kev's one time, even one of the cast members, she saw us and she's like, get in because we like look like we were always stranded and lost.

You know, it was a high traffic season in Vegas. So when that cast member said get in, is that when they started to kind of realize like what the fuck is going on? They kind of knew before I believe and that's why they were like get in because we're standing around now after working all day the event and we're standing around looking like for cabs trying to hail them again very high traffic time in Vegas. I mean I was there and anybody that went no it was a nightmare to get around. So like close enough to walk really to the convention. Exactly. Even that 30 minutes,

which whatever, no traffic, not terrible 20, 30 minutes, but with traffic, I mean, it took us an hour every day just to get back to the hotel. And what were you paid for that weekend? Um, we, I was paid by from Bravo. So we were afraid I was paid the, I was paid the rate every day. Okay. And again, she did pick up the Uber. She didn't like flatly leave us in that sense, but she did know that the hotel was really not up to par. And once it was pretty far, like I said, she- So wait, let me just get this straight for the people. And I don't know either.

So if I was a housewife on Bravo and I was going to BravoCon and they're like, hey, we provide this budget for hair and makeup. Now, if I wanted to really stay within that budget, I would have to forego my regular people and probably find someone who lived in Vegas that could do it. Correct.

Correct. Okay. So she had that could do it. Correct. Correct. Okay. So she had to add to it. That's where the controversy comes in. Exactly. That's where it comes in. She was getting an allowance from them. She was paying the allowance.

Things were coming out of her pocket, but at the same sense, the makeup girl is a whole other story. I don't really know about her pay. That's a whole other thing. Okay. But for me and my pay, she did give me the daily rate. And I mean, people were complaining. They're like, you know, she left BravoCon and flew to Disney. So again, she's

spending she had you like you said, if you don't have the money and budget it, then why are you living in this? And that's how I feel throughout our whole relationship. Yeah, I mean, this have this thing and you shouldn't have got your hair done three times a week. I would love to get my makeup and hair done three times a week, would you not?

Well, I do, I mean, that's why I do do my own hair and makeup because I do have to do, I don't have lashes on today, but like, I do have to do it and I am grateful that I could do it, but on the occasion that I've gotten it done, like I went to a wedding in Vegas, someone reached out to me and was like, I'll do your hair and makeup. And we worked out a price that was less than he would charge a stranger. But then I posted all about it and he lived locally.

And so like, as someone who goes and performs and goes to different cities, I most of the time do it myself, but I understand some women can't. But I what I want to say, and then I want to get into more of it, is like, there needs to be more of, I think, an education and decorum with these Bravo personalities. Because this isn't 15 years ago, and you do want to have professional hair and makeup for a lot of it because everybody else does. And this isn't Real Housewives of Oscea 2008. But if they're only paying you whatever, 50,000 for the season, you can't be spending five, $600 for glam each time, which is the going rate for most times, because it takes a couple hours and people have to come and use their eyelashes and everything. But that's why it is great if you can say, Hey, I'm going to get people to know who you are, be like, Hey, you got a wedding in Jersey. You got to get

my girl, blah, blah, blah. So that's what you're looking at. Exactly. It was really a fair exchange and it was really great. And I think in the end she was like foolish. So what happens? So BravoCon happens. So BravoCon happens. And some people get wind of that and you did what you're kind of doing with me. You did share with some outlets.

Yes, I went on to share with everybody that she wasn't abusing me. It wasn't an abuse case. You know, she's really good. Again, I work for Danielle. I love her. And that's the thing. Like people now they think like, oh, I'm coming out and I'm trying to attack her character. So I'm not doing that. I, first of all, I'm doing this for promotion because what's fair is fair. That was the deal. She's filming all season two. Everything's coming out now. I don't really think it's fair that my work is not being promoted at all.

At all. So now why did she suddenly cut you out and is not tagging you now? Honestly, it became a ridiculous thing. In December, we went to, and I'm finally gonna tell the story because everybody's like, why did this happen? And I'm like, in December, we had an industry party.

One of the other hairstylists had thrown an industry party all the glam and hair on the internet. We all go to that party and the girl who the woman who threw it was Jennifer Aiden's hairstylist. Jennifer Aiden's hairstylist throws this event. I go, I'm going to support and in walks Jen now naturally I've no Jen we've been working together two years Jen Aiden comes in when Jennifer Aiden comes in I said to jet we I didn't even know it was her to be honestly honest she lost a lot of weight since the last time I seen her we didn't see each other in BravoCon cast were split I hadn't seen her in a while. She looked at me and she said hi. And I'm like, Oh my God, Jen, hi, how are you? That was it. Danielle,

the next day I'm like, no, Jen had said to me, I hope you didn't get like in trouble for saying hello to me. And I'm like, what does that mean? I don't understand what that means. She's like, Oh, nothing. And we went about the night I really after I was like, you know, let me talk to Danielle and I called Danielle the next day. And I'm like, Dan, I'm like, you know, guess who I saw at the industry party. And she's like, who I'm like, Jennifer Aiden. And she was like, did you tell her to go f herself? And I was like, No, I was like, Well, I'm, you know, I was

like, No, I thought she was joking. She's like, you should have told her to go f herself. And I'm like, Whoa, I'm like, you know, no, I'm staying neutral. Well, you shouldn't stay neutral. I don't understand. What is everybody afraid of this girl? Like, I don't understand. She my people, why are they mingling with her? And I'm like, I'm not mingling. We were at a public event. I said hello to her. And that was like the start of it. She was really mad, wanted me to tell her to go F herself.

And after that, she felt I was being disloyal. Okay, so you and Jennifer Aiden, let me just ask you, you did not take a photo and Jennifer Aiden didn't post. Yes, well, we had taken a photo, not privately or nothing like that. There was a photo that I was in with the hair girl and Jen, but also at the time, Jen was doing like regular filming while everybody was dancing. She was tagging me. Now, mind you, at that time, my page had gotten hacked on Instagram. So I could have totally used Ding.

I could have totally used Jen's tag. I'm like, all right, get back in the game again. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You said your paycheck got cut in half? Yeah. What do you mean? No, my Instagram page was hacked. Oh, hacked.

At that point, I had like zero followers again. So now I'm like starting back from the beginning and Jen's tagging me and I'm like, oh, that would be great. But then I'm like, you know what? Danielle,'s tagging me and I'm like, oh, that would be great. But then I'm like, you know what, Danielle, I don't know. Let me talk with Danielle. I don't want to repost anything. So I didn't repost anything that Jen was putting up. I never put up the picture because I'm like, I don't know, you know, like let me talk to

Danielle first. And like I bought why I was saying that is because I really could have used it. You're in grand pages down. And like I bought why I was saying that is because I really could have used it your instant brand page is down I mean you want like Jen Jen would be perfect to help you So anyway, so I didn't repost anything. I didn't put anything up of it, which really hindsight. Why would I do that? I mean, this is all a business. Isn't it? Why is it being disloyal to? To when they make up next season Where is that like, and then what?

I told the girl, woman to go F herself? I mean, I feel like you, I think you were a casualty in this game that people play. And it happens on Housewife shows, but it happens in real life too, because everyone's on social media. And I've had it happen to me, where I have a friend that's at an event with people that

I am no longer associating with. And those people ran run up to my friend and like attack them and do a selfie. And they post it knowing that the few fans that are following this that care will be like, wow, Heather lost another friend. And so I can relate to, I do think Jen Aiden's intention of going up to you and talking to you was not because she was dying to be your friend. It was, Ooh, I know there's, there could be something between the two of them. I heard the BravoCon story. I know there's that Danielle has treated glam and people like that not great because she knew the Lena story. So I think Danielle was like, you know, probably very heightened emotions in thinking like,

and I do, and you know what, I do get that. And like I said, even if Jen was trying to bust her chops a little and get her going, Danielle falling for it is the saddest story because you don't throw somebody that two years is running around for you, running around for your family. I'm loyal. You're gonna allow them to make you lose your team. You can't always get what I was giving her.

And like, it's not the repayment that should have been given to me. And after that we talked I even messaged her after the we hung up on the phone call. I'm like listen Danielle. I really love you. I hope you understand why I said hello to her and she's like, oh I get it. And then after that she never used me again months had passed. She told me the first time she said, oh, we're going to do a confessional.

I'm using somebody else. It's a business decision. Now like business decision. I just made a business decision for you for two years, pushing brides, every appointment around so that when you're neat, you need me, I'm free. My bank account was going like this. And the hopes of the dream was that was being sold. I said, Oh, this is gonna pay off. Fighting with my husband to the point of almost divorce because he's like, where's the money? All your money's going down. What is this show bringing you? What are you doing with your ex-wives?

I'm like, oh, it's an investment, honey. It's an investment. Watch and see, watch and see. Well, I'm not fresh, forget it. He was even more wild than me. He's like, you know, you're pushing your kids around. Planning your vacations. I mean, it's a big deal.

It was a big deal in our house. I think it's a huge deal. And so- Oh God. Then it was, the deal was really sealed that she didn't keep her end of the bargain. When the look started- No, for no reason. When we started to see the season, and I think there's like five, six episodes out,

and there are some of the looks that you did, and she is not saying my hair. Well, that's because so now later on fast forward, she winds it up blocking me. She went on and was doing some kind of thing and my husband was in the background commenting. I had no clue. I was out whatever I winded up finding out later on. So she blocked me because wait, wait, wait, coming after. So she blocked me because he was like coming at her. So she was like doing a live?

She was doing a live and I think he was typing in the live. I really don't know. I wasn't even a part of it. And what was he saying? I don't know. He was saying, you put my wife in a cheap motel. This is the repayment you give it. She's running around.

Like he was really upset for me too, you know? And then when I came home, I was fighting with him. Like, why would you do that? Because I don't really handle things the way he does. He's like, too bad. She has no right to treat you this way. Our husband winded up calling my husband. And he's like, our husband's like,

oh, we made a business decision. My husband was like, well, I'm making a business decision to tell your wife to go f herself. You know, like, that's what I'm making a business decision to tell your wife to go f herself. You know, like that's what I'm making a family decision. He said, and I'm like, all right, again, not the way I handle things, but I understand. I mean, remember, this is really two years of us even fighting. It's a big deal. I, I can relate to writing with your spouse about your own business and trying to explain like, you know, being a comedian, sometimes my husband

would be like, why are you doing this gig? And I'm like, yeah, because I don't care. Like my first stand up special, he was like, you're never gonna make any money off this deal. And we sold it to showtime. And I'm like, I don't care. It's a stand up special. Like people don't get when you're an artist, which you are. And when when it's so much word of mouth and just notoriety, especially in the now when you're when you're an artist, which you are. And when when it's so much word of mouth and just notoriety, especially in the clinic, now when you're when you're you know, social media is

such a big part of it and be on a reality show and these great looks that people want to, you know, copy that they see on TV. And wait, can you shut the door? Oh, that's outside. Nevermind. Sorry, I thought it was a vacuum inside. I thought there was a vacuum inside. Okay, sorry. So anyway, I can relate to, you know, having those, those arguments with you. Yeah, because he's looking financially, yeah, the money's going down. And but I'm feeling, oh, I'm getting notoriety. I'm getting my publicity. Like, this is what it's about. but I'm feeling, oh, I'm getting notoriety. I'm getting my publicity.

Like this is what it's about. Like this is the pay off. This is the pay off and the steps to get where I want to go. Well, I thought it was really interesting in talking to you and I was like, I want you to come on because it's kind of the side of the show that viewers hear and see a little bit of it. They don't really understand.

They don't really understand how payment works and how people can afford this. And back in the day, I remember, you know, like one of my friends, Jenny Pulo, she didn't have hair and makeup for many years. And then by like season five, she was like, either she asked for it at her contract or she just paid for it.

Cause she was like, I can't handle looking at myself like anymore. And so so sorry, we were gardener outside. Okay. Anyway, so I can, I can relate to, you know, wanting that. Well, I mean, I think the lesson that can come from this for people in your industry. Yes, that's why I'm doing this most importantly is for people to recognize what happened to me. Make a contract. People will sell you know, social media, everybody wants in people given everything for free thinking they're getting a big return. First of all, you have to promote and work with an artist more than once, twice, even three times to be anybody

of anything in their click. Get it in writing, especially if you did something like me where your work's not getting posted to after. I mean, look, it's all of season two, she got her balls twisted, she blocked me. And now it's like I didn't do any of those hairstyles. And she's walking around with my art and her gallery for free. It's wrong, you know? And I'm just trying to get out there to promote it. I'm not here to bash her, to throw hate at her. I'm here to promote my work.

I did the hair, everybody's enjoying it. She looks like she's enjoying it on the episode. Why should I not be mentioned? So now, did you do anybody else's? Are you still working with any of the girls? Yes, I did. I've done Dolores. I haven't done her this season because now the season had aired. Yes, I did her during the season, which mind you, fabulous. She actually had taken us for a little spin because there was a part where when I started working

with Dolores, Danielle asked me, she's like, is she paying you? Is she paying you? And it turned out, I was like, yeah, I was like, Dolores would never let me do the half of her. I couldn't even leave the house. Dolores is like, I gotta pay you, I gotta pay you. Like, so I guess, you know, she was, she's like, it's your time, it's your money. He said, okay, I'll even give you a little break and you promote me. And Dolores was like, no, charge me your full price and I'll promote you anyway. That's how it goes. So after that, Danielle got whiff of that.

And then she started sending me, like after I would leave her house without asking, she would send me like a tip. She would tip me like, you know, like 50 bucks for my gas, my time, my whatever. Nowhere near of course would I charge or anybody who knows her would not be charged. So she did start sending that in good faith. But that was two seasons in and I'm talking about halfway through second season, the whole first season, everything

was for free, legit pro bono. And following her around all day, not to mention what really gets me going now and like bothers me the most. Imagine you're doing her, like a charity event, perfect example. You're doing her glam, you're buying the ticket for the charity event, she's talking with the makeup artist that did her makeup two times, taking her to dinner,

while I'm doing her hair, they're talking about they're all gonna go out to dinner, have such a great time, and she didn't even invite me. Because yet the makeup artist had hype. She wanted to be on the in crowd. What does she want to take me to dinner for? Who am I? I'm just her air girl that I guess doesn't have a big following So that's another thing people start treating people According to their following. I mean, I guess it's always been like that, right? Only we don't call it following we call it fame

I mean really it's it's always been like that, right? Only we don't call it following. We call it fame. I mean, really, it's really disgusting. But like I said, it was more hurtful. You're going, I'm doing your hair for free. Going to your son's communion and putting money in an envelope for you. What's your instructor here? Come on. And you can't do it for a moment. She doesn't get to a part yet where she feels bad for me. So what do you think watching the show? What do you, what, just as someone who's on the inside, but also watching it without like spoiling the episodes and getting yourself in trouble, what do you think the fate of New Jersey is? Cause a lot of people I have to say are not that thrilled with the season.

They don't really like the split cast. They, the ratings are down. It's, um, you know, a little boring. I mean, sorry. I didn't like this. Yeah. I didn't like the split cast either. Even just working behind the scenes. I mean, you feel like people think it's, you know, not, it's real. You feel the tension, you feel the splitness. Again, I mean, like I feel before, if you didn't have that thing, like she wanted me to say hi to Jenny, not say hi to Jenny, you wouldn't have these problems. What's the big deal if you're, you know, if you're networking and being normal with people, why does it have to be a team?

But to me, this is interesting. And this is being authentic. In real life, if you weren't filming a show, you wouldn't be fake with your arch enemy, or you would be feeling tension, you would be insecure if this wasn't being filmed. So I appreciate that. I do believe New Jersey is being pretty authentic as far as their reactions. They definitely are. It's not that authentic to have someone on Twitter, dig up some stuff and then act like you're reading it for the first time.

I don't think that's authentic to put out rumors about people, but you know, being not close is something. But I think as a viewer, we miss what it was and we miss that them together. And we don't want people to like each other. There always should be resolution. But yeah, we want them to like each other because for so long, there was always the thing with Teresa and Melissa, but for a long time it was copathetic and they could get along and they'd have their funny moments.

And so yeah, it'll be interesting to see. But I think I would have liked that myself. Even behind the closed scenes you do wish that it would be like BravoCon. You're two separate cast. It's like, are we even the same show here? It doesn't feel good. It doesn't. But I hope you continue. Hold on. Wait, wait, let me something just popped up. Wait, hold on Drake. Wait, hold on. Go ahead. Oh, wait, something just happened. Come here. It just like I'm basically closing up but they said you're running out of time and like, I have to upgrade or something. Can I just let me just close this real quick. Okay, we're gonna finish it. Okay, sorry. Let me just. But I do think I'm glad that you shared this because I do think this is the behind the scenes stuff

that the Bravo fans kind of want. I'm sorry that you're that you're that you were hurt and it wasn't what you expected. But obviously you're super talented. I hope more people choose to hire you whether it's TV or their private events or, you know, everything. So tell everybody where they can follow you and all your great stuff. Karen.DSimone on Instagram. Yeah, follow me tips. I try to keep you guys interested. And again, very big in the bridal, but just like going enjoying your events. Any special events, call me. All right. Thank you so much. This was awesome.

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