Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Anatomy of Lies with Wendi McLendon-Covey and Hollywood Grifters

Episode Date: October 22, 2024

If you have subscribed for EXTRA JUICY SCOOP, Click on this link: https://zc.vg/4eF8F The hilarious Wendi McLendon-Covey is back on Juicy Scoop! She is best known for "The Goldbergs", "Bridesmaids", and "Reno 911" but now is staring in a new hospital comedy on NBC. So isn’t it fitting that we discuss the Peacock documentary “Anatomy of Lies” about a "Grey’s Anatomy" writer who lied about having cancer, terrorist attacks, family abuse and so much more. We share about a pathological liar we both worked with at The Groundlings Theater. I explain some of the initial lies that sucked me into a grifter’s friendship. We talk truth about Hollywood and why someone will or won’t get hired again. I also cover the Liam Payne tragedy and why Ariana Grande got on Elvira’s shit list. Enjoy!  Stand Up Tickets and info: https://heathermcdonald.net/ Shop Juicy Scoop Merch https://juicyscoopshop.com  Get EXTRA Juicy on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop  Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: https://www/instagram.com/heathermcdonald  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald  Twitter: https://twitter.com/HeatherMcDonald Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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always sell out. Everything is at heathermcdonald.net. Very sad news before we get to our interview. Liam Payne, many of you probably know this now, from One Direction fell out of his balcony. And now they believe he was acting very erotic. There is reports of him, he was in Buenos Aires, having sex workers in his room. Prior to that, that room was trashed. They now say there was something called crystal that was in his system.

They do believe that maybe there might even be somebody at the hotel that's being investigated that may have supplied him with that drug. He was supposedly let go by his publicist and by his music representation, like, you know, his label. So that all contributed to it. Very, very sad. He had a girlfriend.

She's quite distraught. You know, the family obviously is in a lot of pain. And one of the things that I've seen, but there's nothing to be proven is, was he possibly going to be a witness in the P. Diddy case? There is nothing that I've seen that's actual factual of that. But that is what people are wondering if that had anything to do with, you know, what happened. But to me, it sounds like, yes, he was struggling, but it was this drug, this hallucinating drug that made him jump out the window and not like a planned thing. That's what I think, but very sad for he and his family. P. Diddy has just been slapped with more lawsuits now, and in it, the victim is as young as

13. This happened to her in 2000. And she says, other A-listers, but they're not named. So if you read these, everybody's like, what are the other names? We still have not one other A-lister name in any of these lawsuits that we as the public are aware of. So there you go with that. Okay, you guys, I have a great interview.

Like I said, click on that link if you're part of the paid Apple subscription. Okay, if you're part of that paid, click on the link and that will give you the instructions of how to get your refund and resubscribe. Now I'm so excited for the Juicy Hollywood interview. You're gonna love it, you're gonna laugh, you're gonna be intrigued. Here we go. Hello and welcome the Juicy Hollywood interview. You're gonna love it, you're gonna laugh, you're gonna be intrigued.

Here we go. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have returned guest her third time. And you guys are gonna be so excited because I know you love her and everything that she does, but especially as a Juicy Scooper, Wendy McLendon Covey. Wanna make sure I say the name correctly.

Three names. So good. Best known, well, there's so many things, but I think best known as the Goldberg's mom. Hilarious. Thank you. Mother of boys and the hilarious bridesmaids. My dear friend in the one episode that I did of Reno 911,

which I was your bridesmaid, and I so graciously offered to sleep with your husband for as many times as it took until I got pregnant and could give you a child. Yeah, yeah. And now I'm really excited because you have a new show coming out, St. Dennis Medical, which starts November 12th on NBC.

You can also stream it on Peacock. Yes, thank you. I'm very excited about this show. I'm very excited about it too. We filmed the pilot in spring of 2023. Oh, a while ago. And here we are in 2024. It's like, okay, it's time for this thing to air already.

From what I can gather, is it like in office, but in a hospital? Yes. Okay, I love- That's exactly what it is. I love that kind of comedy. So it's like office but in a hospital? Yes. That's exactly what it is. I love that kind of comedy. So it's like you're filming a documentary and you are people that actually work at this St. Dennis Hospital. Exactly.

And are you the main administrator or what's your role? Yes, I'm the administrator. So I'm the one that gets to wear a lovely pantsuit every day and I'm always chasing money from donors. Oh, I love it. And we work at a safety hospital so we can't turn from donors. Oh, I love it. And we work at like a safety hospital, so we can't turn anybody away. Oh, okay.

But we're in rural Oregon, and my stupid ass is like, well, you know what? I'm gonna make this a destination medical property. Forget going to Turkey for all your medical needs. No, no, no, you're gonna fly into rural Oregon and get your mammogram. Okay. Well, speaking, no, you're gonna fly into rural Oregon and get your mammogram. Okay. Well, speaking of Oregon, I'll be there this weekend.

You are? Where are you going? I'm going to the University of Oregon. It's my son's freshman year. It's parents' weekend. We are going and then my son is actually flying in from ASU because it's his birthday. So the four of us have tickets. We're going to the game.

We're doing the whole thing. How fun. Now I checked and it tickets, we're going to the game, we're doing the whole thing. Oh my God, how fun! Now I checked and it said the rain is going to begin. But I believe that Jesus will bless me with not a rainy Saturday. But if he does, it's okay. Jesus thinks you're a hoot. And I mean, I'm just saying. I think he's going to look out for you.

I mean, I really don't want to be wearing like a raincoat, but whatever. So far so good. But I love that this is totally up my alley. I love this kind. I feel like we need a show like this. And I think it'll be so relatable to all the juicy scoopers that are nurses and doctors and medical professionals because that is... You know what?

I had a joke a while ago that I was like, I go, why are they always described like in a CBS drama? She's a no-nonsense nurse. I'm like, every nurse is a no-nonsense nurse. You're a fucking nurse. It's not like you're chucking needles around and like cracking jokes. Yeah, we hope you're not. We hope you're no-nonsense.

We really want that to be the case. Definitely. Yeah, I have such respect for healthcare professionals. I mean, I did before, but after this, it's like, oh my God. Because all you're trying to do is go to work. And sometimes you have a bad day. Sometimes you had a fight with your spouse and you can't get that off your mind. But your best day, I mean, your worst day has to be somebody's best. Better than most,

you know, I'm not making sense, but you can't have a bad day in front of people who are having their worst day, basically. They're not in the hospital because it's a fun thing to do. And okay, so I love that you are with David Allen Greer. What is his role on the show? So he plays a surgeon who has just about had enough.

And in our pilot episode, he says something like, yeah, I just saw a patient for two minutes, and now I'm going to spend 40 minutes working on his chart. It's like, yeah, that's our health care system. That is amazing. That's the American health care system. I actually saw something. Oh, you know what it was?

Oh my god, this was so funny. And did you see the other two ever, that series? Yeah, oh yeah, I love that show. Okay, so that was so funny. So in one of the role, such a funny show, the guy gets a part as playing like a nurse. And so he wants to shadow like a real nurse. And that is one of the things they do,

where she's like, okay, come over here. Now we're gonna fill in the chart. And he's like, what? When does the poking and the prodding begin? Like the fun part. Yeah. Oh God. So you went to this, what was this that you're at? The Newport Beach Film Festival. Yes, the Newport Beach Film Festival. They really stepped it up this year. Yeah. Where was it held?

The Pendry, which was a beautiful resort. And then right across the street at Fashion Island, there's a gorgeous movie theater there. Oh, great. So we were honored, which was very sweet. You and David Allen Greer. Yeah, David Allen Greer. Yes. The Goat, who I have been laughing at since the late 80s.

Was this the first time you guys worked together? Yeah. Oh, I've met him a few times. I love him. Of course you have. Of course you have with the Wayans crew. They were just out there. No, I remember I saw him at other things,

but we never worked on anything together, but he knew who I was anyway. He's just a delight. He's fabulous. He really is. Yeah. So that was really fun. We got honored and then we had a showing of the pilot and a Q&A and you know, it was fun. Oh, yeah. It was a very fun night. Well, I love it. And then you went to this other event. You're just hitting all the red carpets.

Oh, yeah. And you're with Melissa Peterson, who I love. And then I was just going through your Instagram, and I loved this dress that you wore to the Creative Arts Emmy, and that was at 102 degree day. And it's a black strapless dress with a big pink bow. And I just want to ask you, how do you choose these dresses for things? Well, I kind of- Do you work with like a stylist? No, not anymore. I've never had a great experience working with a stylist. Okay, tell me.

Because, you know, give the people at home an inside scoop of how it's sometimes not what you see when Rachel Zoe had her right. Bobbo show 15 years ago. Right. That hasn't been a great thing for me. Okay. First of all, I'm 55 years old, but I don't like to dress in, you know, Barbara Bush gowns. Okay. Or whatever. Like, yeah. So I feel like stylists are always trying to dress me older or put me in things that are absurd that no

one should be wearing. Like right now, there's that movement of everybody is showing their underwear. Yeah, I was going to say the sheer underwear thing. Do you think Kim Kardashian's latest thing? I don't need to. I don't need to. Anyway, I'm going to just get it. You know, also show your best assets.

And some people doing it, I'm sorry, their legs are not their best asset. If your legs are your best asset, then maybe that sheer look is for you. But if it's not, if it's that you have a tiny waist, you have great shoulders, like show that off. We don't need to see your underwear and your kind of whatever legs. It's just too like, pick me, look at me. Oh, I want to get, you know,

I need attention type of thing. No, you're gonna regret those pictures at some point. You're just gonna. So I try to, and I got big boobs. Yeah. Okay. So I can go from zero to stripper in no time if I'm not careful. So I found some styles that work really well on me, some brands that never disappoint like that one, which is Solace London. Uh huh. Oh yes. I know that brand. I love, I love their stuff. It's a little bit edgy, but it's still like appropriate. Yeah.

You know, you're never going to regret your pictures in something like this. Well first of all, you're very thin, but what I like about this is if you were a little bloated or had a pooch, the big pink bow covers it but you still look slim on the sides and everything. And then it's still a wow factor. It's not just a black strapless boring dress. Exactly. Exactly.

And so you just go and buy this. I just buy everything. Good for you. You know? Yeah. I get so annoyed when someone brings racks of clothes to my house and you're like, who is this for? Because it's not for me.

You know damn well I'm not gonna look good in that shade of green. If you don't know that, then you shouldn't be a stylist. Right. You know? Look at my coloring for real. Don't tell me acid yellow is gonna go well with my hair, which is corn yellow.

You know what I mean? Stop. Yeah, and I always get kind of scared of things sometimes because then if you're not pleased with hair makeup or whatever, and you're getting a little stressed, then that person, you can go on a TikTok and say you are a huge fucking bitch. And then people are like,

I'll never watch reruns of the Goldbergs or bridesmaids ever again. I can't believe that she asked for a Q-tip and only tipped you $200 on a $300 day. What a bitch. She like, fuck her. Who does she think she is? What a diva.

Wendy, who I've never even heard of this person. Exactly. Why did she only offer you water when you were there for 40 minutes? What a bitch. Oh God. Why didn't she get you lunch? I don't even know what to say.

No, yeah, there's all kinds of ways that could go wrong. Definitely. So it's just a little bit scary. And then for the people that are fabulous and great, I'm envious of people that find someone and stick with them for 20 years. I really am.

Yeah. But it's a little risky. And then you're so stressed. It's your big night. Yes. So you're like a little edgy, a little, you know, a little anxious. And now, you know, you have one brow going rogue

and you're like, I just think I need to be alone in my bathroom for like 15 minutes. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. No, that's how it always is. It's very stressful getting ready for these things. You don't want to offend anybody. But you you also know, like, OK, you I just said no glitter. Yeah. And you've put some weird sheen on my face telling me I look glowy.

No, I don't. I look like I look glowy. No, I don't. I look like I'm sweating my ass off. I don't like this. Don't, okay, you want the texture of my skin to show? No, no! Absolutely not! Cover that shit. Get out the pan stick and just make it work.

Come on, come on. Put your beauty blender. No, no. Slap it on with a trowel and let's get going. Let's be real here. But anyway, yes. So I do my own styling. Well, I'm very excited to talk to you because of course, you both come from the groundlings. Of course, I was did your great episode of Reno, which is, Of course, I was did your great episode of Reno, which is, you know, improv, which I love. Now wait, your show on the new show that is improv or not improv? That's scripted.

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Um, let's talk about a scripted show. Yes. Anatomy, Crazed Anatomy. There was a writer on there. And this is such a good three-part documentary on Peacock based on a article that came out two years ago in Vanity Fair, which was an expose about this woman, Elizabeth Finch, who was a writer on Grey's for over like seven seasons. She wrote a lot of episodes, contributed to a lot of episodes, but then had her own episodes,

which is very profitable because when they rerun, if you're the writer on it, where they kind of like break it down with a group and then go off by yourself and write it and your name is written by, you can be nominated for an Emmy for that. And then also you get those big checks, residual checks, especially with a show that's going to run forever like this. And now you realize. So this woman was successful and she one day told people she had cancer. Yes, after I guess she found out that she was on the chopping block. Yes, so I was going back and forth because I was like, did she? Okay, so she was a junior.

So she went to college and she went to USC for graduate school and then she wrote as a junior writer, which sometimes really isn't that much writing, but whatever. It's a junior, you know, a junior writer's assistant, whatever, junior writer, on Vampire Diaries and something else. And then she was hoping to get other jobs, but she hadn't. And then she wrote an article, because this was confusing in the show, so I had to look it up.

She wrote an article about her cancer diagnosis and how a doctor misdiagnosed it or something and how frustrating that was. And the article got a little bit of heat. And someone at Shonda Rhimes Production company saw it and brought it to our attention and was like, here's this female writer who's written on shows before that also has cancer, recovering from cancer or certain are still going in it or whatever. I think she would be an interesting person to like meet and write on the staff. So they hire her. Now

the juicy part is according to the other writers that worked with her, she wasn't doing that great as a writer, wasn't contributing that much. And in the writer's room, which I thought was really interesting, now you've been an actress on all these shows. How much time did you ever have like in an actual writer's room and breaking down shows and everything? I've spent no time doing that. I don't know that process, but I do know that being in a writer's room, it's like working on a continual group project. You have to contribute. Right. And if you don't, you get talked about. People notice who's not pulling their weight.

The thing about a writer's room, whether it's comedy or drama or whatever, it can be the most fun and the most inclusive and the most anxiety written and exclusive. Like it is a group. It turns into a high school lunch table every day. And you know, you have a lot of fun and you make really good friends but then also you can be you know ostracized or we're all going to lunch and they just don't ask you on a day that you're not taping things like that and then you're like am I on the chopping line? And sometimes it's just that you're not cool. We just don't like you.

We don't like you. We think you're weird. It's literally like that. You sat in my chair. Yeah. And I don't like you. We don't like you. We think you're weird. It's literally like that. You sat in my chair. Yeah. This is where I always sit. And I can't forgive that. This is where I sit and this is where so and so sits. And so, you know, and then if you're a new person coming on with a group that's already been established, someone will be real nice and

encouraging. You know, I remember my first writing job, which was writing on Keenan Iver-Wayne's late night talk show. He had like all guys and one woman, Alison Faust. And then he wanted a white woman. He wanted a different point of view. So I was the one white woman to be hired. It was my first writing job. I was only 27.

And the first day Alison Faust walked up to me and she was like, hi, I'm Alison, there's not many of us here, but, and she was so nice. Yeah. You know, and so, but it was very weird. And then when I, I remember being there and one day they, we, they were like, hey, we want to talk about ideas or whatever in the morning.

So I had like coffee or whatever. This is like my third day. And I didn't even know how things worked. And we talked about this funny sketch idea like myself and two other guys. And then Keenan's like, okay, like I never want to put your ideas. So then I said something like, oh, so we were thinking it'd be funny if blah, blah, blah. And he's like, okay, I really like that. Okay, yeah, right. That I get back into the room that I shared with the two guys and they're like, shut the door. And they're like, you trying to get us fucking fired. You didn't mention our names. You didn't say it was, you know,

myself and Joey and Tom or whatever. And I was like, Oh my god, I was not trying to like take it myself. I thought I said we I'm like, what do I do now? Like, do I go in and apologize? Well, what do I do? What do I do? You know, and they're like, forget it. We're not gonna have you do that and then have Keenan like think that we're pussies or whatever. It was just like, so there was a lot of that.

And then there's a lot of really great times. So it sounds to me, they didn't think she was that great. And then she probably knew it. And then she gets the cancer. And we find out the reason it out, that's the biggest lie, but there's so many lies about what you're getting into, is that she never had cancer ever. Not the first time, not the second time,

not the third time. So then they get a call and they say, hey, she's staying on because she has cancer and she's going through some treatment. Which of course, anybody, especially as a hiree in California, let alone the movie industry, they're not going to fire you when you let them know that you're, that you have cancer.

Oh no, of course not, of course not. And then everybody got to do her work. Yes, so many times. And then, but she still got compensated. Yes. I don't know. I'm sure you've been in this situation before where you're working with someone

who all of a sudden develops all these complications. And so they're untouchable. Yeah. So everyone has to pitch in and pick up the slack and you can't say a word about it. But every time they might get called on the carpet, something else happens. And then they're just like this walking misery cloud. I actually, I've had definitely liars in my life.

I've had Hollywood grifters in my life. I've never really had something like this where someone, there were things that I thought throughout the years where people have been like, that person is lying. There was a person, then we'll get back to this, but there was a person when I was at the groundlings, that a girl, and we were in the Sunday company and we started to say that she's a pathological liar. Remember she's saying she was supposed to be swimming in the Olympics. She also said she was a ballet

dancer. You know who I'm talking about and this is not a swimmer's body and this is not a ballet dancer's body no matter how many years in the past. Things like this. And then she was whatever, having relationships with people and things like this. And then, you know, she was, you know, whatever, having, you know, relationships with people and things like that. And, but she was very protected because one of the main people she was the babysitter for. And so we, we really thought that there was something not right with her. And so we made the huge mistake. Now the Growling City, just to remind you guys, it's a sketch comedy theater, but the way you continue is the powers that be,

which are like these 30 people that stay as long as they want to stay, they vote for you. Only these 30 people vote if you get another six months in the B company or if you make it into the regular. So we made the mistake of getting together and like writing this letter and signing it and like and they the main person who was using for a babysitter was so like disgusted with us that we would do that. And then in the end there was eight of us that were cut,

and then she made it into the main company. And I remember I said, I'm telling you this person, there's something off. And then cut to maybe six years later, she was the first and only person at that point, and they just celebrated their 50 year anniversary who was asked, who had to leave. They kicked her out.

Yes, and I was there for that. And you are so right. And I remember one time we were doing an industrial. Explain what that is. An industrial is when like say Microsoft or something says, hey, we want someone to come and entertain at our retreat. So come and do some funny make-em-ups and here's some names of some people who we would

love for you to include. And they never love that. They always hate it. But anyway, we would do it. Oh, you mean like Joe Schmo and whatever? Yeah, bring him up on stage. He's really going to love it. No, they never love it.

But yeah, so we had gone down to Newport Beach to do an industrial and we were given one hotel room for us all to change in. So this was like 10 of us. This person dominated the entire room, had her costumes and props spread out all over the bed. And the other nine of us were relegated to like, okay, you get a foot of space up against the wall, make it work.

On stage, I said something under my breath like, oh, like you stepped on my foot or something like that. Something really inconsequential. She would not let it go. She kept trying to humiliate me on stage in front of this audience. She wouldn't let it go. She was stoned out of her mind.

What do you think she was on? I don't know. But it was making her eyes kind of dart back and forth. That was really weird. I remember we mentioned that too, that there was something going on substance-wise, yeah. And then she would get hostile on stage at the actual groundlings at audience members. Like it was it was an absolute

shit show and lawyers were consulted and blah blah blah how can we get rid of this person. But in the end it was like this is a private organization you can just tell her to leave and change the locks. Yeah. Like this that's. You can't abuse people. That's it. I think because it had never happened until this point. But I wanna say, throughout my life, I have, that's why my predictions are good, I can tell when somebody,

not always, cause I've been taken to, but there'll be times where I'm like, hmm, you know, that's weird. Like, I had this friend, I'll refer to her as Grifta, and she is a grifter. And she told me that she would mention Leonardo DiCaprio all the time, that they, she and Leo were good friends.

And also one of Clint Eastwood's sons or whatever. Sure. And she was kind of hot and whatever. So I thought maybe, you know, maybe they did all hang out back in the day or whatever. And then one day, we were with our kids in Cabo and she goes, oh, my friend was like, why are you staying at this hotel?

Why didn't you just call Leo and stay at his place? And that is where it clicked. I was like, this chick's a lying grifter. There is no way. And then I was like, wow, I've hung out with her for three years. I've never met anybody but the girl that does her hair extensions.

I never met one other friend. Yet she's friends with Leonardo DiCaprio. She's, you know, I'm like, you really think I'm going to believe that Leonardo DiCaprio. She's, you know, I'm like, you really think I'm going to believe that Leonardo DiCaprio is like, yeah, why don't you and your kid and your friend's kid who I've never met stay at my mansion for free? Yeah.

And so that's where I was kind of like, and I always kind of wonder if a grifter then, or someone like that knows when when you're on to them. And then they start to like, even get worse or combat or do something really horrible, which she did. But like, they know that you're on and they know the friendship's shifting and they know like, you know.

And one of the things that got her to be my friend is when I met her through another person, she said, Oh, I own this, you know, I'm part owner of this, this club thing. And we, I can get you like a residency in Las Vegas. Because what I said is I was like, I would love to just do one week in a month in Las Vegas, but that's hard to do because there's usually like a theater show or something. But if I could just do Juicy Scoop Live or stand up once a month in Vegas, that's my dream. Like bring guests, do it, make it always. Once a month? That would be a dream. Amazing. And she's like, oh yeah, we can do that, Duda. You're gonna meet the people, you're gonna meet the people on New Year's

Eve and everything. So we think we're the people on New Year's Eve and everything. So we think we're going to go for New Year's Eve. And then all of a sudden it all fell apart. And this is early on in the friendship. And I remember my husband was like, this is bullshit. I was like, no, no. And then I really did enjoy her as a girlfriend for a while. But when you look back at everything, which

is what happens with this, they start looking back at everything and discover how many lies there were. I mean, one of the most outrageous lies she told was that Anna Paquin was giving her a kidney. Right. What? For her illness. The hell. No, that she actually got it. She said she got a kidney transplant. But don't ever mention it to anybody. Right. Just like Leonardo DiCaprio. Unbelievable. And I think the Hollywood grift is one of the most fun because it's so easy to do. Oh yeah, it's so easy. It's so easy to do. All you have to do is drop names. I mean, I remember there were stories back in the day that I'd see like on a talk show where a guy, you know, would go to these events and just take photos with all these famous people and then use that as like, I'm famous.

And now with social media, there's this other, there's this girl I know and she goes, my friend, she goes, it's like a straight friend of hers is who has money is marrying this girl that she's like like it's complete bullshit. So she shows me her 1.5 million Instagram followers. And she's like and it's she's from like Kavaskan or what Kavaskan? Kazakhstan? Kazakhstan. Yeah.

Okay. Kazakhstan? Kazakhstan, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh-huh. And so she's, you know, thin and, you know, big fake teeth and a lot of plastic surgery and like, you know, to always go in like fashion shows and stuff. And she, so my friend lurked on it with like a fake account and discovered that one of the magazine covers that she was on had a misspelling on it. So she, as her fake person was like, this has a misspelling, they immediately took it down. So then I looked at everything and all of these, it's like bizarre in this different country,

Cosmo in this different country. And her website says, I've been on the cover of 20 magazines and all the followers are bought because you don't, you know, a hundred thousand likes for someone that no one's ever heard of. And somehow she's going to all these fashion shows.

I don't know if she has money to pay for it or she's just playing this grift. Whoa. And people are buying it. Because with Photoshopping and all that stuff, how do I know that Bizarre in October of 23 in Brazil didn't have her on the cover? How the fuck am I gonna know?

You're not gonna go sleuthing around for that, who cares? Yeah. Oh my God. Oh, the amount of grifters. The grift is fun. Okay, so getting back to the show. So first of all, even looking at her Okay, so getting back to the show. So, first of all, I just, even looking at her face, so fucking annoying. I just hated her so much, the Elizabeth Finch. I've never yelled at the TV as much as I yelled during these episodes, Heather, the audacity!

And you think, well, no, no one's gonna lie about that. But yet people do all the time. I mean, Brooks from the OC lied about cancer. This girl lied about cancer. So I had a friend that lied about cancer. You did? Tell me about that. I did. Well, she's not my friend anymore. And this was back in 1989.

Okay. So there was no internet. Right. But I asked her, I said, hey, let's save up our money and go to Greece next summer. And she said okay, and then later on she goes, you know what, I can't go to Greece, I just want you to know I have breast cancer. But don't tell anyone. I don't want anyone to know I'm going through this. Oh my god, I'm so

sorry. Yeah, I won't tell anyone. So time goes on. I said, wow, you haven't lost your hair or anything? No. I took a drug that keeps my hair from falling out. And I'm thinking, well, why doesn't everybody take that drug? That's awesome. Yeah. But wow, only you know about it. Okay.

But she's not lying because who would lie about something that bad? Right. Years go on. years go on. She never mentions it again. And this is someone who will go into exhausting detail to tell you about her ingrown toenail or something. Like, she's always got ailments and she's always providing you with too much information about it.

Then the cancer runs and walks and marathons start happening and she starts doing all these and she would always wear a sign that says, for my uncle or for my daddy or something, but never for me because I'm a survivor, never mentions that again. And it finally dawned on me, oh, she's lying because I caught her in some other lies.

What other lies. What other lies? She started lying about her age, even though I'd known her for 20 years. And we went to the same high school. She started lying about that. Was she an aspiring actress? No. No, she was a secretary. Okay. Then she started lying about, I noticed that every

time something would come on the news, she'd get it. Wendy, I had H1N1. Oh, did you now? And here you are talking to me. Did you have mad cow disease? I'm sure she did at some point. Then she started telling me all these weird stories, these horrible just stories that I found out later were urban legends because I'd hear them coming from somebody else and I'd ask her, hey, remember that time you were cleaning maggots out of your refrigerator or whatever bullshit story? No, that never happened.

And it's like, well, why did you tell me it did? It's interesting when they can't remember their own lives. My favorite urban legend was the story of this girl who went to Mexico and got the cutest little dog and brought it back and then went to the vet. And then the vet came back to the waiting room and was like, where did you get that? And they're like, muffin? And he's like, that's not a dog. That's a Mexican sewer rat. Trying to identify as a dog.

Yes. That and the cactuses that would explode like bombs because there were spiders in them. Do you remember that one? No. Oh, well, we won't go into it now. Oh my God, but yeah, that's a good one. So she had stuff like that. Oh my God. And after a while it was like,

okay, I'm just gonna distance myself and then I'm just gonna ghost you. We don't need, I don't care enough about the friendship to lay out everything that I think you've lied about. You've shown me you're a liar. I believe you. I'm just gonna back off and never speak to you again. The lying thing is just fascinating. It really is. Because, okay, so the other things she then lies about is there's a horrible attack on a on a synagogue on a temple and 11 people were shot and killed. And she the minute the news comes out as she's in the writers room, she's like, Oh, my God, that's by temple. I know several people that are part of it. And then they go, go, go, my God, you're Jewish, go.

So she goes, who knows where? And then is tweeting saying, the FBI let me in. Oh, she didn't even say the FBI let me in. She just goes, I had to clean up the brains of my friend. Right. And they're like, wait, it's a crime scene. They wouldn't just let some girl, because she was saying, they need me though,

so that they can be buried in a timely fashion, which is part of the Jewish law. And then she comes back from that, while everyone's still doing her work. And then she goes, because of the horrors that I saw, I now have PTSD and have to go to a rehab, whatever therapy place in Arizona. And then they go, of course, go to that.

Yes, they were so accommodating. They were so accommodating to her. And then they have to do her work then. And I think it's just like she had, like honestly, that would be me, because I'm full of ideas, but you know, actually executing it, writing it down, typing it down.

Like, not that I would lie about stuff, but like if I could just do movies and TV shows where I just told you the idea and then you just run with it and then I just like perk it up. Yeah, that's basically what she was doing. She would contribute some ideas and then she would be told, okay, you've got, you're good. That's a great idea about this girl, whatever, breaking up with her boyfriend who also has cancer, whatever the story was. And then when she was forced to write the whole script, it sounded like

this happened quite a bit, then some other tragedy would happen. And then they would be like, of course, we know the story, we talked about it, but we will actually put the pen to paper, type it out, do the exterior, interior shots, all the technical work that goes into being like a professional screenwriter, TV writer. Oh my God. So yeah, she just, she was just a lazy bitch. And then she meets this poor, broken woman at the rehab place and sees an easy target and just moves right in on that poor woman. And they fall in love. This girl, this woman was a nurse, but she was also very damaged from a horrible, horrible

husband that was controlling and everything else. And so then this is her only, like this girl is everything to her. This Elizabeth Finch, the fake, you know, cancer woman, is everything to her. And then, you know, I guess maybe she had never really been with a woman before, but she falls in love with her, which is understandable. And they get married. So now let's go back to some other lies that she does between, okay? Another lie that she did was at the rehab place, she breaks down and says, actually my brother was so abusive to me, that's why whatever, I'm still suffering from

the abuse that he does. Now, she didn't say it was sexual abuse, but she said it was like verbal and physical abuse from the brother. Now, prior to that, people knew the brother, he was a doctor. So he was like a successful guy. But she says that and she shares it in the writer's room and all of this. And one of the lies that was not featured, okay, so then she says that her brother committed suicide. But then she makes it worse and says to punish her, he shot himself but he didn't shoot himself

well enough. And so she was the next of kin. So then she had to go to the hospital and make the difficult decision of pulling the plug. I forgot about that part. The lie that wasn't featured in the documentary, because they said we just didn't have enough time to feature all the lies, is she goes to Hawaii with the wife.

What's the wife's name? Jennifer, Jen. She goes to Hawaii with the wife. What's the wife's name? Jennifer. Jen. She goes to Hawaii with the wife. She tells the wife, come with me to Hawaii. I have to scout locations for a special Grey's Anatomy, you know, show. So again, waving our Hollywood flag and stuff. But then she tells the people at Grey's Anatomy staff, I have to go to Hawaii because my dead brother

committed suicide. He had a love child. And I want to help reunite the love child with the child's Filipino mother who lives in Hawaii. Oh my. Meanwhile, the brother is still alive and a doctor. And won't speak to production about this. I thought that was very interesting that the brother and the parents would not be interviewed

for this. I think sometimes... I think they've had it with her. I think they had it and I think they got together and I honestly think they said, she's going to love this. She is going to love that there is a three-part documentary. She's going to love that you and I are talking about it. And I think they know that she's sick enough.

And then this guy doesn't want his face shown. He doesn't want people walking up to him and writing him. He is a doctor, he has a life. He's like, I'd rather people not put two, this is what I think, he probably is like, I'd rather people not put two and two together than I have this freak of a sibling. That, and no matter what, even when it's been proven that someone has lied, because

I had another horrible relative severe liar in my life. And that was the final thing is when she did such a horrific lie about my family, that there's always going to be a few people who heard it from her that are going to be like, well, there's always got gotta be some truth to it. He probably, you know, he probably did hit her or maybe he did grope her when she was a little in asleep and shit. Like, they're still gonna, so it's like,

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called Scamanda. Her name's Amanda and she was a scammer and she faked her cancer for years. Oh my God. And she was such a horrible woman that she was hired as a nanny for this couple. She ended up, you know, having a romance with the man. They get divorced. She gets, Amanda gets married to the husband. One of their daughters actually did have cancer.

Then after that daughter recovers, she then gets cancer. And in the process torments the biological mom, you know, trying to get custody of these kids. The former nanny that you hire is now fighting you in court for the custody of your child. And then they're saying they have cancer and the lies that she did, she went to John Hopkins, she would say, I'm going to John Hopkins and all this stuff.

And then she would get charities to pay for her flight to New York. And then she'd go to Broadway plays. Oh my God. Not until an investigate, like a journalist somehow looked into it and was like, wait, and the churches that would help and support and the charities and all the love that she would get on social media. She was such an attention seeker, she loved all of that. And then when that woman started going after the journalist, then she was one of those like litigious people,

I'm gonna sue you for defamation. And that's just a costly thing. Even though you're like, I know the truth will eventually come out. But then, when you're going through it and no one's believing a costly thing. And then you're like, I know the truth will eventually come out. But then, you know, when you're going through it and no one's believing you, yeah. So there's that. And then there was, remember there was,

did you remember the comedian that lied about being at 9-11? I do remember that. Oh, oh my God. So that one was, you know, like a working comic. Yeah. You know, early days of podcasting. Somehow is on a podcast and the guy asks him or whatever and he shares how he was like in the building or something and got out.

And then the next podcast he goes on, they go, tell us your 9-11 story. And then it gets, now he was really there and he knew some people. Then the next time he tells it, it's da da da da da. And it was like, literally just that he was in the city that day, which is also horrible. And people have PTSD from that. But I mean, it was not, and then it all gets cracked open

and he has to, you know, and he had like a TV show and stuff. And I don't want to, you could look up his name, just look up comic who lied about 9-11. He apologized, he kind of said how that happened. There was the other reporter that, that famous reporter that was, that said, oh, you were like during Gulf War number one, you were like in a helicopter and there was shooting.

Oh, Brian Williams? Yes, Brian Williams. And then the same thing happened where then he was on a talk show and they brought it up again and then embellishing, embellishing, embellishing. And then it's just like, holy shit, you know, now I can't. Or remember the guy that wrote the book and Oprah got so mad.

Oh, yes. And it was basically he said how he was like an addict and part of, and there was a chapter of how he had like wisdom teeth pulled with no novocaine and the way he described it. And then she was like, this isn't true, you lied about this, da da da da. And you know, but he said it was a true story. He wasn't saying I'm writing a fictional book. Right. So, yeah, but it's all funny

because it all goes aside with you getting attention for the lie now. You know, whether it's in the writer's room or you're getting, or it's helping your career. Yeah. Or, so in what I researched, now she, so then she does, okay, so then getting to the, so then the wife is what the wife, now she lied even worse to the wife. To the wife, she said, I was actually at the temple when the shooting happened. Not I was at Grey's and then I went

there. She changes the story for the wife to make the PTSD even more severe, which is probably what she told at the rehab place. And then one day, Jen, the wife, just is like scrolling back into her social media a few years back, and she sees that the night, either before or the day of the shooting she was at a shoulder rhymes Halloween party with the rest of the writers all dressed up.

And so she was like, wait, that just absolutely does not match the story you told. And it also should be noted that this poor woman has five kids that this Elizabeth Finch is now co-parenting. Right. With poor Jen, who does not seem okay at all. Yeah. Like, this woman is so damaged from all these other things prior to Elizabeth. This is just the rotten cherry on an already shitty cake

for this woman. Yeah. And there's kids involved who are now getting attached to new mommy. Yeah. And she's filling the kids' heads with lies about their mother. Because the mother has, you know, such a history

and what do they call it? Disassociative. Yeah, she has disassociative episodes where she goes out of her reality and that's how she lost her kids. Yeah, the kids were staying in foster care or whatever because the husband was so awful. And then, so now, so it's really important

that she doesn't get to a place of mental health where she can't stay back on track. And when she wants to tell the world that that Elizabeth Finch is a liar, then she knows that it's coming. So now she goes and starts telling their friends, oh my god, Jen's sick again. Jen is oh my god, she's losing it. And because Elizabeth is this fun Hollywood successful writer, they're like, oh my gosh, I don't know, you're a saint.

You love those kids. And if I need to be there for you, if you need to need, if you need a character, just to help get the child custody from, I like, and here this woman's like, you're gonna try to take my five kids from me now? And the writer said she was one of those people that always had jokes about not wanting kids

and kids are assholes or whatever her stupid joke was. And now she's, it was, it just insane. And so, oh, then she also, this really pissed me off. When she worked at the vampire diaries during the Me Too, when everybody had a Me Too story, guess what? She's like, Me Too. She says she's working on set and a director who won't be named,

but people could figure out how many directors there were, who left after one episode, whatever. So she finds one, I think, that she could, without saying it so she doesn't get sued for defamation, but can say this, he said rude things or touched me, groped me, something like that, an awful story about him, in which people in the industry could talk and figure out, oh, it must be Joe Schmo. And that was clearly not true, but that she has never.

She's never recanted that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because she's like, what do I do now? Yeah. And then, oh, the other thing is stealing people's stories. Okay, stealing people's storylines. Yes. And passing them off as her own in front of those people,

like that one writer that she took her story, her personal story from. What was her story again? That she was a rape baby, basically. Oh, yeah. She was a product of rape, yes. And she shared that when they became friends.

And then the next thing she knows, Elizabeth pitched this great story that one of the characters finds out from their mother that in fact that's why she doesn't know her dad is, you know. And, but she didn't know what to do because she has this coveted job. She was a young female writer on a hit show and Elizabeth Finch, who stole her story, has seniority. So if she was to go and start drawing, at least she was smart enough. And then she finally got her day on this documentary. But probably if it was me, I probably would have said it just like I did at the Groundlings. I would look like, you know, oh, who's this little sorority bitch that wants to start drama?

Shut up. You know, there's no way to prove it. You're not the only, I'm sorry, but you're not the only person that was, you know, born of rape way to prove it. That's you're not you're not the I'm sorry, but you're not the only person that was, you know, born of rape. There's been movies about it. How do I even know if it's true? Like, she probably would have gotten let go her her contract would probably not have been renewed. So she was smart to keep her mouth shut. But I guess but I mean, you know, I mean, it's like, I don't know from from being in the groundlings and yeah, and, you know and I've never been in a writer's room,

but I know a lot of writers. And like, when you poach someone's idea, that is not okay. That is not okay. And yeah, maybe speaking out would have gotten her fired and that sucks if that's the case because that's her personal story that was painful to tell. And this woman just cashed in on it right in front of her. But you know, the thing is when you get fired

from another, from a writing job, and you don't have this body of work, you're not David E. Kelly, okay? It is, it's all they need to do is now your agent knows that you started some drama and Shonda Rhimes, you know, executive producer fired you. Now your agent drops you because you got stink on you.

That's true. And now you're, that's it for you. So it's like, that's where when people say, oh, I was blackballed, I was explained. It's not, no, there's never like, it's hard to explain what blackballing is. It's stuff like that. It's a chain. It's a connection type of a thing. And you know, just like if you piss off somebody, and you both have the same agent, they're

going to get rid of you to show loyalty to their bigger client. And now you don't have an agent. Now you can't get another agent because they're like, oh, she was drama. You know, you know, I always say, this business isn't like, you're the only one who knows how to make the space shuttle. Like, there's other people that can write, there's other people that can produce, there's other people that can act. So if you get a reputation of being troublesome, it's just like... You are replaceable. Yeah, you are absolutely replaceable and replaceable within the day. You know what I mean? There's always someone standing in line waiting for that opportunity.

Right. But now what? Okay, so what is going on with Elizabeth Finch now? Do we know? Okay, so when the article came out, six months after the article came out, which was in 2022, she did an article with the Anchler and said, I did, I lied, it's all the shitty things, it's awful. But she says, I lied as a coping mechanism for the brother still, who was mean to me. Like literally it was like he was mean to her. Like he-

Like siblings are mean sometimes? Yeah. Like, I don't know. And so, cause she wasn't gonna lie again and say it was worse. And so she goes, some people drink, some people take drugs, some people cut. I lied, that was my coping mechanism and whatever.

But it really was like a non-apology. So now she has recently now put on her Instagram that she has worked on herself for the last three years. And she said the reason, because I was like, what starts it? And I do like that she said this. So she had like a knee injury or something, like a knee injury or something like a knee surgery

replacement thing. And my sister had something and where she was she was getting ready for the 5k and she was listening to Juicy Scoop. So let's just make sure we know it's my fault. Okay. No, just kidding. And she literally just like missed like the sidewalk or whatever. And she like fell on her knee. And it was a really awful time for her because you're like dependent on people and you can get sort of and she's totally fine now and everything. But I just remember and I didn't really realize how bad it was when she was going through it because I'm talking around the phone, I don't live there and da da da. But so anyway, she has some awful nice situation. And people are

being nice, you can't drive, you know what? So I assume people in her life were being really great. And she goes, but then it stopped once I got better. And I think she was always a dork that didn't have a lot of friends that, you know, was just kind of a weird like, you know, just smart enough for her own trouble. And, and so I think this way, you know, with just kind of a weird like, you know, just smart enough for her own trouble. And so I think this way, you know, she got that attention and then she just was like, what if I had this? And then we talked about Real Houses of OC when Brooks lied about cancer. One of the greatest storylines ever in the history of Bravo TV, in the history of reality TV, quite honestly.

It's still so unbelievable that he was lying. We all knew it just because you could feel it. And then when his girlfriend, I'm not gonna mention names, we all know who I'm talking about, was asked, wait, didn't you go with him to chemo appointments? Well, yeah, but I just sat in the lobby.

Of course you did. Hogue, we went to Hogue. Because, yeah, I just sat there, I'm wrapped up in my own bullshit and did not check on him because I was busy doing my own thing. Like, that really tracks for her. So I've always gone back and forth. Did she know? Did she not know? And what I think is in the beginning, she believed him.

Because she would never not believe somebody. But it was a good kind of cancer because he could still drink and eat and show up for cameras, okay? When people started to question it is probably when she started to question it. But then at that point, she didn't want to admit that the guy that she was in love with that was banging her good, that she basically left her marriage for because there was that, you know, there, remember that one, there was this one reunion where Tamera and Vicki are going at each other. She goes, Tamera goes, don't you remember

when you called me in Cabo? And she goes, what are you talking about? She goes, you called me in Cabo and said there was a naked guy next to you. And this would have been when she was still married that they went to Cabo off camera. And she's like, you're disgusting, Tamra. And it was like so obvious that Tamra was like,

fuck you, I kept your secret. I'm not now, I'm gonna spill it on the reunion. So what I understand is that somehow Brooks was in the picture, Brianna said it too, was in the picture while she was still with Dawn. Of course. Then gets divorced from Dawn, is with Brooks, and he's this charming southern guy that fills her love tank.

And I think she didn't want to admit that she was with the wrong guy. It's on camera. And she was just hoping to get through the season. And then he would be recovered and she would never ask or whatever. And then when she said, I thought I didn't think everyone would be nailing me to the cross. I thought they'd be bringing me casseroles. So she wanted the attention, too, as the person.

The long suffering. But the thing is, if I really had any kind of real illness and someone was like, I think Heather's lying about her eczema or whatever, you know? I would be like, cameras come in, here is the real doctor, especially if it's on a TV show. I wouldn't be like, that's private information. I am not revealing.

I don't need to reveal this binder to you. I don't like the way he was. Like, you would be like, no. But now she says, I never knew, and I'm not a con woman, I was conned. And so she's a little bit rewriting the hit, but you know, I get it too, because a lot of women have been with 30 Johns and things.

And women, unlike men, are sometimes so, especially women of a certain age, are so wrapped up in identifying with having a man. And being loved, like that is everything. And to admit that they chose the wrong one, or to admit that they're bad for them, they would just, they'd rather be like, la la la la la la la la.

Look how nice he looks in a suit. I'm not alone here. Yeah. I bought him this gorgeous outfit and got his teeth capped. Yeah. Doesn't that stand for anything? We look great together. Right.

Yeah, I don't know, man. There are a lot of grifters out there, you're right. But if you are grifting a charity like this commando person, I've got to listen to that podcast. But taking money from a charity? The karmic recompense is going to be swift. And like church, she'd constantly like go to different churches. Like once she depleted the love and you know, and then they would take their kids to things

and they'd be like, you don't have to pay for the karate. You know, just all, just little things here and there and there and there. So it's kind of hard. It wasn't, you know, she still $700,000 and one lump check from like whatever. It was like a hard kind of a thing. And then still she's this young mother. So even though she's a liar, she's still a mother to somebody, to a couple of kids.

So it's like, you always get the sympathy there. But yes. So yeah, okay, so then the two executive producers of this show, the documentarians, they're like, well, we'd love to see it made into a scripted show. Oh, and also one of the times she did like a, she put herself on like, like afterwards, after the scandal came out, she posted something or did something they said in this article where she made herself Anna Delvey.

So she was kind of like, Anna Delvey and I are the same. Like, it's not that big of a deal. Anna Delvey lie, I lied, we're both like famous. Like I'm saying she likes the fame. And yes, Anna Delvey fucked over some people. Yes, she did. But she did not to the level of this. But she was a grifter and a liar. Yeah. But this was like- And she also went to prison and wears an ankle monitor. Like there has been punishment. Right. And I thought it was interesting at the end of the

third episode. Yeah. That guy that went to school with her at USC said, yeah, she'll still have a career after this. She's got content. She's got a story to tell, and that's your currency. She's a writer. She's got stories, and she'll be fine. And you know what? She probably will be, because that's the world we live in.

There will be. I have a job for her. I think she could do it. What? I don't even, and it's what I might not want to share. Okay. Because it's such a good idea. Yeah.

I'll tell you after the show. I'll tell it on my Patreon. Okay. What the story is. What the idea is. I want to know. Okay. But yeah, and she was a thirst bucket.

She was always doing interviews. Any free moment she had, she was probably on some like 100 person listener writers podcast, cancer podcast. Talking about her bravery. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's doing panels.

Yeah. And that's something I can't stand. Like I had cancer and I still found a way to be productive. Okay, well you just flipped the bird to everybody that has cancer who's too weak to do anything. So thanks for that. Right, exactly. You know? Oh, and then also when they had the doctor consultant come in and then she ran out.

Actually she was like having, being triggered because, and she's like, that was the doctor that misdiagnosed me. And they're like, oh my God, get him the fuck out. And everyone was acting so weird to him. And he to this day was like, what? Oh my God, yes. And then she was triggered by the word hot dog. And I don't know why she just would say that.

And I am now triggered by the word triggered because they used it too much in this documentary. Right, yes. Everyone was always getting triggered by something. Yes, everybody, that word has to go. That one's been way too overused. Well, anyway, you can still enjoy it, but it is very good.

And I think that she, yeah. I mean, listen, Elizabeth Finch. Yeah, I wonder, will she now come out and want to do more and more interviews and explain what makes a liar? Right. The making of a liar is something I would like to know more about. And she'll write a book. Yeah. You know, she'll write a book.

Like you say, she'll get a podcast. Yeah. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. She'll she'll get a podcast. Yeah. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She'll be okay. It'll be fine. And when things go sideways again, she'll just run back to that place in Tucson. But I mean, the thing is, is that, you know,

you do have to be likable, and she's just so unlikable. Yeah, yeah. She would really have to really come forward with something. A big mea culpa. And I always think it's so weird that the parents of her are probably like, what? I want to know going, I don't think she was like a liar kid because she says this happened here and there was nothing prior to it.

But I don't know. Is there someone from high school, whatever, that had, because sometimes that would be the case. But I do believe sometimes some people just turn a different way. There's the bad seed, you know, and then you're the prettiest mommy, you know? And then there's ones that like, they just decide one day to kill or be a serial killer or to lie or whatever

And then they like it. Yeah, they get it. They get a thrill like I think that a grift thing is I always feel like grifters are always the ones that are like faking looking for cars or houses And I'm like you realize like and I think they get a thrill out of seeing a hardworking realtor think, oh my God, I'm gonna make a $5 million sale. Yes, yes, because then they have the power over this person. And they're thinking in their head, oh, they're getting so excited. They're thinking on this big deal.

When it's all bullshit, they're wasting their time. That's why I don't like anybody that's like, any inspirational coaching that's like, fake fake it till you make it go and try a test drive that Mercedes because once you have the money you'll have I mean no you're wasting a fucking car salesman time like yeah don't be a dick don't let your manifestation process bother other people yes exactly go to my manifestation should not be someone else's inconvenience and wasted time. Yes, exactly. Go to Michael's, get a board, do your

vision board, but don't waste fucking realtors and car salesman's time. A hundred percent. And, you know, people working at Neiman Marcus. Yeah. This I thought was so funny. This girl, Awaken with Allison, I saw this and it said, "'So how long you been single since the divorce?' "'This long.' And then she did a series of funny photos where she's like taking a photo, making it look like she's with a guy.

So then she would like put the phone and then have her hand and then like make her hand look kind of big with like a man's watch and like have it over her hand. then like make a guy, make her hand look kind of big with like a man's watch and like have it over her hand. And then she would like, she's laying next to like stuffed legs with shoes that look like a guy. So like, I'm not alone, I'm with a guy. And I do think just going with the grift,

like I think that is just hilarious. She's making fun of it. But how many times have people really done that and not, you know, scaled it back and seen that it's a parody, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I did watch Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Yes.

After you had those girls on. And what do you think? I found it to be very interesting that they can't drink coffee, but they can get divorced. That's what I know! I was very surprised at the amount of divorce talk that went on. That's what I know. I was very surprised at the amount of divorce talk that went on. That's what I said, I couldn't believe it. Although it makes sense.

Like if you're pressuring people to get married at 18 years old, very few people stand by decisions they made at 18 years old, I'm sorry. Yes. So I did find it difficult to keep track of them because they all kind of resemble each other. Yes. They all have that hair.

And now there's a new group starting in Texas. Oh. The mom TikTok in Texas. So I'm like, it's kind of genius because they're going to be looking for new groups to follow other than Housewives. And if I was the producer of the Mormon one, I'd go tap into the Texas one.

Absolutely. Find those thirst traps with hair extensions that can do a simple dance. Yeah. Yeah. And I found all their husbands to be interchangeable as well. They all.

Yeah. And that one that was caught on Tinder, I'm like more like Grindr, he had more hairstyles than anyone I've ever seen and facial looks. So people were confused by him. They were like, wait, this is the same boy, this guy belongs to Whitney? And he does all the dances too, he has to do the dances with her and everything. And I'm always just like, ugh.

What I always think about watching things is the person that's like, I never once set up the phone and then had my husband walk into the kitchen and danced with him. No. To show people this is how much we love. That's just...

I love my husband by not photographing him constantly and I think he appreciates it. Yes, I have a similar one where I'm like you know once in a while I'll be like yeah we're at a wedding come on be patient we're gonna take about six you know whatever. But like yeah that whole... I don't need to prove how happy we are. I saw this other video of this girl that's like, this is how we're divorced and co-parenting. And it was two very attractive people that are supposedly divorced and they're little kids and it's a lot of the times that means the ex-wife put the camera here so they could be like, stop it and they're cuddling and everything.

I go right to the comment and all the comments were like, neither of you should ever date another person. You clearly are like fucking, but don't wanna be married. And you're putting this video out to warn any girl that's interested in your husband that he's clearly still in love with you. And you guys are wrestling and rolling around and look how great we co-parent.

It's like, it's just, it's fascinating. This is a scam that people need to be aware of. This was in New York City and this girl, thank God, she must, maybe she works for Uber or something, but she had the camera going facing, not back with someone. So facing out, and I guess she happened to like be on the phone with her husband while it happened, and a car just cut right in front of her and then backed up into her. So it would look like she re-ended the car. And she's like, oh my God, what is going on? And they all get out and they're like, arrr!

And she even saw that the guy who drove it switched over to the passenger seat and made it look like it was a woman who drove it. And then they're like, what the? And getting things. And I put in like, what? And you know, getting things. And I put in there and I go, you know what, especially if you're a woman, but really for anybody, I'm going to tell my kids this too. If you get in a car accident with someone, whether it's your fault or not, take a photo of the license and then just drive to the nearest police department and go, hi, I got

an accident. I didn't feel safe getting out of the car. I don't feel being vulnerable and exchanging and having them take a photo of my ID with my address on it. That's smart. You know, like, no, especially if you're a woman, even if it's your fault, just take a photo and leave and just be like, I'm going to the police department.

You can follow me and we'll do it there. Because this is like- This was disgusting. Watching them notice that there's a camera on them and they all kind of change their behavior. It's like, oh, wow. It's I mean, there's a lot of scammers, a lot of griffs, a lot of criminals right now, walking among us. And you know what? Sometimes it's okay to be a Karen. You know what? I just saw another funny thing this guy goes.

Everyone hates Karens until there's a flight delay and the whole flight gets $200 back. That's true. Like, yeah. Sometimes the Karen is more hyper aware of her surroundings and is like, no, I'm not gonna be nice and then be killed. You know, I'm not gonna like, oh, so many times people are afraid to,

oh, does that mean that I'm being, you know, like prejudice or racist or whatever? Just protect yourself. Do the right thing and just protect yourself. Don't try to scam my insurance. Yeah. Don't try to pull something over on me like I'm a moron because then I will turn into the mayor of Carronville.

I rolled into a car. Okay. And I was like, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. He's like, here, let's just go over here. So we go into the target parking lot and he's like, what happened? Like really mad. And I'm like, I'm so sorry. I just, I rolled into you, I'm sorry.

And I look, there's absolutely no damage on my car or his. And he's like, what were you doing? And I'm like, and I have a nice car. So I'm already like, and then he's like, well, I go, so I mean, there was no damage. So like, I really don't see the point. And he was like, well, I go, so I mean, there was no damage. So like, you know, I really don't see the point. And he was like, it's against the law if we don't exchange information. Oh, is that true?

I don't know. I don't think that's true. That's why I was saying, I mean, I was like shaking. Because I felt like it was a bit of a shady thing, even though it was my fault. I was like, all right. So I look at my insurance and I make sure that my insurance and my ID did not have where I live. Okay? And so I was, I just want to make sure.

And then I was like, okay, I guess you can take a photo of it now and a photo of this. And I drive a Tesla and it records everything. It's got cameras all over so it's like you want to try to pull one over on me? I can just pull it up. You know what they probably just don't then. They probably don't pull shit with Tesla. She's probably right.

She probably looked like whatever car she had they didn't assume. Amazing. Jason Segal reveals that he's left Hollywood for a little country town. The country town is Ojai. Oh. Ojai, California. We're calling that a country town? Okay.

For those of you who don't know, it's very, very nice. It's the Ojai Inn that's like Spawn Inn, very famous. It's an hour from LA. Yeah. It's like Palm Springs maybe. But going in the opposite direction. On your way before you get to Santa Barbara, a little inland is Ojai.

A little country town. Yeah. And he said, you know, I have the right to say this, but I'm just like, here's the thing. Like if you're living in your house, like I just don't get why someone's like, okay, so now, like, if you're living in the Hollywood Hills and you're going for a walk, people aren't stopping by either. Like, I don't know. It was just kind of interesting because I'm like, when people are just like,

I just need to, so what? Like, you can't cut your flowers in Laurel Canyon. You can't, I don't know. I just thought it was kind of funny how people say that because I mean, he's like, now when people say, what are you up to? I say, I'm going to the grocery store. Not I have three projects in development. It's about just going to the grocery store and oh, hi. Just going to the earworn there, you know? Just living a simple life.

Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, he's worked hard. He's a nice guy. There's nothing wrong with it. But I just think it's so funny when people are like, I just have to get out. I just have to get out. I understand if you're living in New York City with, and like, noises.

But if you're living in like the suburbs of LA to start, I just don't get what... Yeah. Well, also this headline, his decision to leave behind the bright lights of Hollywood. I guess people don't understand that Hollywood is not that exciting. It's not what it was. It's not the 50s. So it's not like, oh, there's a movie premiere every night and, you know, those searchlights and everything. It's a row of souvenir stores now. Like it's not. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, unless was he living in a seedy area? If so, why? I doubt it. Yeah. You know, I'm sure he had a beautiful home in L.A. and just was like, let's just

get out of L.A. and like, you know, probably went got a spa treatment there and was like went lost my house and was like, oh, I could afford 12 million dollars. Yeah. And now I can have a couple chickens and pretend I'm a farmer. It's great. I mean, okay, well, great. Good for him. Rachel from Vanderpump Rules, very sad news.

She has ended her podcast after 65 episodes and she still never did the advice I gave her, which was to interview other side pieces. No, instead she does- That would have been genius. Yeah, I know. Wow, I'm stunned. I really think that, I thought that podcast

had so much staying power, because she's so interesting. Amazing. So interesting. And at the ripe old age of what, 22, what is she? No, she's 30. Oh, she is. Yeah. Well interesting. Yeah. At the ripe old age of what? 22? What is she? No, she's 30. Oh, she is.

Yeah. Well, good job. But here's the thing. She's dating somebody who's a rocket scientist. So good for her. I hope she gets engaged. I hope she has a baby. I hope she lives a quiet life and moves the fuck along.

But I think- I also hope has a baby. I hope she lives a quiet life and moves the fuck along. But I think- I also hope this for her. But I think what happened was it was a year contract and there is no sign of life of Vanderpump rules coming back right now. They have not picked up cameras. They don't have a cast. So even if they picked up cameras today,

it wouldn't air for at least eight months, right? So what the hell is she gonna talk about for the next? so either it was a mutual goodbye or whatever but Well, listen 65 episodes. That's not nothing most podcasts and before five episodes Yeah, okay, so good for her. Okay. Yes so Elvira also former groundling, she was doing like a Q&A for a show. And someone asked about, you know, what was your celebrity experience that wasn't good or whatever. She's like Ariana Grande wanted to come to one of her shows where she does, I guess, like a Q and A or whatever she does, and asks for 21 tickets.

And for them to all come to the meet and greet, which she said, okay, you know, cause Ariana Grande, you know, I'm a big fan. So Ariana Grande brings her 20 friends, according to Elvira, and Elvira takes photos. I'm sure she's in the thing or maybe she's not. Maybe she dresses normal for this stuff, but takes photos with every single one of the 23 people.

And then she says, can I get now you and I Ariana? And she goes, no, I don't do that. Ariana Grande didn't take the photo with Elvira. Ew, ew. And she didn't stay for the show. The meet and greet was before the show and she didn't stay for the show but her 20 guests did. Oh no. Don't do her like that. Cassandra Peterson is an angel. Now, she is so sweet. There are some things that could have happened to give our guys. Could have been, first of all, it was through my manager, I would have been happy to pay

for the tickets. I did not know they were comped. Okay, that could be one. Yeah. We are all such fans, yes. I didn't want to take the photo because I was not dressed up because I didn't want the other people in the audience to realize it was me. The way I do my meet and greet, it's like a line, and maybe they'd be like, oh my God,

and take time away from you. However, of course, you should have taken a photo with her, even if it was like, let's just go behind here and do a whole bunch, or let's do a little video or something. And regardless, I've had famous people in the audience. It does not ruin the show. They can be in the audience,

and people will still pay attention to me. Sometimes there's a little rustling as they take their seat. But other than that, like, you're gonna be okay, and that was rude not to stay. So I love that she told the story. I mean, Cassandra Peterson's been around the block. She knows how to be around celebrities.

She understands how all this works. So I don't know, Arianna. Also, but you know what? There's like people that I get all excited about sometimes that come on the show and they're thrilled to be on the show, but they have a huge Instagram following, right? And this happened over the last nine and a half years. And I'd be like, great, you know? And we take the photos and all this stuff

and I tag them and I send it to them directly. And I'm like, and then, no, never gonna, that's just not what my page is. My page is just not, I guess that's just not my page. And they won't post it. And I'm like, come on, like I want some of your people. I would, you know, I'm not lying. That's how this works. Yeah, you have five million people. I would, you know, I'm not lying. That's how this works.

Yeah, you have five million people. I would hope that like maybe 500 more people discover me because you bothered to, just, so now I don't expect anyone to do it on the grid, but at least just repost the story. It's so easy. It's only there for 24 hours. It's not going to hurt you.

Oh my God. And I do think it's conscious when people don't. Oh sure. I think they consciously just act like they're busy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For whatever reason and I don't understand why. Now have you had Cassandra on? No, and I've reached out numerous times.

Have you read her book? No, but I will if she comes on. Oh my god. It is so good. Okay, I'm reading it next. It is juicy. I love autobiographies. Oh my god. It is so good. Okay, I'm reading it next. It is juicy. I love autobiographies.

Oh my God. She has had a fascinating life. Okay, well I- Before she even came out here when she was a dancer in Vegas. Yeah. Oh my God. I'm not gonna say anymore. Everybody read her book.

It's so good. Well, I remember there was, I was going back and forth and I thought she was coming on and then somebody, either her or her team, was like, no, this isn't happening. So I don't know if there was a, again, could have been a misunderstanding with people that work for you. But Cassandra, I'm dying to have you on and I'd love to have you on. And I think that'd be great. And I will read your book.

And she looks like a million damn dollars. She's in her seventies. I know. She looks so good. And she's a late in her seventies. I know. She looks so good. And she's a late in life lesbian, which I love. Love that for her. And, okay, so tell everybody again, it's November 12th. November 12th at 8 p.m. on NBC. There is an hour. We're showing two episodes at once on our premiere date.

I really hope you think this is funny. I think it's funny, but I have a weird sense of humor. Heather, I will always be trying to get you on as a sick patient or something fun if we get a season two. Who knows? Can I be someone who's faking cancer? Oh my god. Okay. Okay, this is what I want. Oh, I have a better idea. What do you want? What do you want?

What do you want? This is what I want. There have been times that I've been fighting with my husband. And I'm like, what if all of a sudden I just fell down or started choking or whatever, would he then switch to not being, would he stop being mad at me? And that's why I realized why people do fake the thing, but I've never done it. Obviously. Right, right, right. So I think I have to be a woman who does something like that. Yes. To get the husband or the boyfriend to like whatever, like her.

To pay attention. So I'm putting it out there. OK. Oh, this is good. And if someone I know ends up playing the role and they stole my idea. I have it right here you guys. I came up with the idea. I want to be someone who fakes something not as bad as cancer, like a one-off. Like appendicitis. Yes, or something. I remember I said I had growing pains, literally growing pains.

My husband, but they did say there was some fluid on his hip and it was just a two-day nightmare for me. But my husband and I disagreed. He was like, he doesn't need to stay the night in the hospital. I'm like, I am staying with him, like in the ER, like in a bed next to him and all this, cause I didn't know. That's what a mom does. That's what a good mom does. And then they like sent him home in a wheelchair and like the next day he could walk. I mean, he was immediately better

after they just like drained the thing. And I guess it was just growing pains. But then, I mean, I'm like, do I have munchausens? Like, no, I mean, this is what the doctors told me to come back with it. Yeah. So yes, I would like to, anything. And then tell them where they can follow

your Instagram and stuff. I'm at Wendy with an eye McClendon co on Instagram and that's the only social media I have right now. Okay, and it's Wendy with an eye Wendy with an eye. Yeah. Yes Yeah, thank you so much. Thanks for having me back Thanks. All right, you guys get your tickets to my live shows like I said Irvine in November and then I have those East Coast states, New York City, and New Jersey, and DC, February 14th, 15th, and 16th. That is all at HeatherMcDowelland.net.

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