Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - And Just Like That Meghan Markle Secrets on How to Get A Man

Episode Date: June 3, 2025

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Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have a great interview. We're gonna get to that in a bit, but I had to give you some updates on some things. And Just Like That, season three of Just Like That, and Just Like That has premiered. And I did some posts about it. I did a Patreon about it.

It's important that I talk to everyone because I've had more time to think about it. I don't care if you're not going to watch the show. I'm going to cover it. I am never going to not cover and just like that. And so if you have not seen it, skip for a few minutes because I'm going to spoil the opening episode, which was so weird and boring. Okay. There's like way too many kids stories, but Miranda's lesbian journey is something that is saving the show. It is what really, I feel like she's carrying the show on her back. I mean, whether it was the Che Diaz situation, I can't, it's thank God, because now we have Rosie O'Donnell come and she's

at a bar, Miranda, trying to, you know, trolling for pee, okay, just looking for a hot girl with a vagina. And no one's paying attention to her, and she's drinking her mocktails, and Carrie and Charlotte come with her, and they're just like, we'll find you. And Charlotte's like, ooh, I think that girl likes you. Look at her. And she's like, and then Carrie will do like one of her like weird little things like, hmm, well, it's a lady bar. Like, you know, just trying to say something funny.

And Miranda's just like, oh, I don't know. This is hard. So then anyway, Rosie Odala walks up to her and she's like, you're so pretty. And Miranda's like, thanks. And then Rosie O'Donnell says, I've got a hotel room. Do you want to go with me? Miranda's like, yeah, I do.

I'm like, wait a minute. This is a Harvard educated 55 year old attorney. You are just going home with a complete stranger. I mean, I know there's more serial killers that are men than women, but there's enough. And you don't know this girl at all. You haven't even talked all night, nothing. They end up in bed, and then Rosie O'Donnell reveals

that not only is she a virgin, she hasn't been with men or women, but she's a nun. And I made Drake watch it. I didn't tell him what was coming. He had to watch it. And he saw the nun part and he goes, what? Who's writing this? You know what? I don't know. But that storyline kept my interest. What didn't keep my interest was Charlotte's dog situation and her dog walker and her doggy daycare. Totally boring. This other girl, I don't even know what her name is in the show, but Nicole Parker, I

think is the name of the actress. Her whole family, her husband's running for like a government, like an election, like something. Who cares? He's like, I want to be cool. No one cares about that. And then the girl that is Kim Cattrall's replacement, Seema, who's a chain-smoking realtor who is smoking a bed and burns off her hair and almost dies in a fire. Her story is a little bit more fun as a new person, a little bit more fun.

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and her co-host was Che Diaz and Bobby Lee, the comedian. And then Bobby Lee revealed that he'd been sleeping with the network executive of the podcast who was this tyrant in a wheelchair. And I was like, wait, what? And then she was pregnant. Like then this really did happen in the show. Then the girl who was running the podcast that had slept with Bobby Lee was then pregnant and they never like addressed who her dad, who the father was or whatever. And then Carrie didn't want to do an ad about her vagina and the whole network shut down

and everybody had to pick up their, take their box of staplers, like you need staplers at a podcast network and had to leave. Those were the times that I was like, oh my God, but that'll never come back because now she's going back to writing. She's not even going to mention a podcast. Who knows? But that's what's happening in it. And I hope that Rosie O'Donnell stays. I hope that she brings Miranda to church. That's what I want to happen. I need that storyline too. But then they were like – because they did all the puns and so like Carrie was like, oh, holy sister touristy or whatever like because the girl – because her character was also a New York tourist and wanted to go to Times

Square. So they were like really mean about that. They were just like teasing her like she was the biggest dorkiest nun that like Miranda just couldn't shake. But it did kind of remind me of the old Sex and the Cities where they would go on dates and meet a weird guy. It would all be like one episode of just like one weird dating adventure with like some guy's kink. So instead of that, the kink is a nun who's a virgin, you know? And let me get to see it. It's 2025. That's life, people. Okay. Also, Jojo Siwa posted or her boyfriend, yes, JoJo Siwa is officially has come out and is with Chris Hughes, who is a straight guy that she met on Big Brother who was on Love Island. They have come out and they did a photo of them cuddling what appears to be naked in a bed

just like Miranda and Rosie O'Donnell, and they're cuddling together. And she says, you know, it's not platonic anymore. And I just think this is amazing because it is another one of my predictions that have come true, that I said this generation will be a generation that, when in finding their true sexuality will experiment with same-sex partners first and then may end up in a heterosexual relationship, which in the past, if you didn't come out originally as gay, oftentimes people would get married young to

in a heterosexual marriage and then come out later because they couldn't come out. But now I'm like, wow, this is kind of interesting. Also during Pride Month, also interesting. Also, she just made such a big deal. Like she was so like, I'm gay as fuck. Guess I'll sort of my exes. Okay. So anyway, I think it's great. Maybe she's bi, maybe she's not. Maybe she's just get trying D out for a month. I don't know. Good for her. It's great. Maybe she's bi, maybe she's not, maybe she's just trying D out for a month. I don't know. Good for her. It's juicy. Also, really interesting, okay?

This is, you guys remember the beautiful girl, Chelsea? She was on Selling Sunset. She was from London. She was a realtor in Manhattan Beach and she fit in with all the girls because she would wear the chicest, most tiny, tiny, tiny outfits and she could pull it off because she was extremely thin,

extremely, extremely thin. Anyway, I followed her and I started to see that she is doing all these food videos of her cooking, much like that, like a Bellarina Farms person or that other girl that's the other one that, I forgot her name, the other girl that's like a gorgeous model who like is like, my kids were tired and I decided they would perk up if I made them homemade blueberry scones. So I started with this. So she's kind of doing like that, but she's like eating. She's doing a lot of videos where she's just looking gorgeous and like

eating chicken wings and it gets like 96,000 likes. So I'm like, what's going on? And she has, her body has changed because of her diet. She looks amazing because she's gorgeous. But again, it's kind of interesting because all we are seeing in the world of Ozempic and JLP-1s and all that is that people are making dramatic transformations as and becoming thinner and smaller and she is going a more curvy route and she was always so thin before but she's you know in the show we see that her husband cheated on her I'm like maybe she's just like oh my god I have been denying myself delicious food my entire life as I was pursuing modeling and marrying this a-hole.

And I want some fucking chicken wings and I still look amazing. I still look gorgeous, which she does. And anyway, yeah, I'm like, I just was like, wow, we don't normally see that unless it's like for a movie role. And she's just like loving life and good for her. I remember I one time was talking to this woman in the

Hamptons and she was very thin and she was like, I don't know, 65 years old in an air vailagier dress, flat stomach. Okay. And I'm like, how have you maintained your figure all these years? Like you're at these lavish parties. Like I just, I mean, how? And she just goes, I've been starving for 65 years. And I'm like, yeah. So Chelsea was probably starving too. Good for her. Okay, little update on the Diddy trial. It's awful. It's horrible things. There's an assistant on the stand that was on Friday and she's on Monday, and saying that she was essayed by Diddy, all these awful things that happened, spaghetti thrown at her, terrified. But one thing she said was, Diddy would get high for important board meetings, but also

one time he was intoxicated or high when he came on Chelsea Lately. So people sent me the video. They've pulled up the Chelsea Lately video from the archives. I remember when P. Diddy came. He was one of the very, very few people that were like very late. He was very late. He was very late. He was like well over like an hour or so late. And he was a big get.

Like we were excited to have him. That was a big name. And as more time passed, you know, what I recall is that they were just gonna pull it. She was just like, I am not waiting around. We never were late to start, if you've ever gone to a taping of our show back in the day, we never started late. We were always on time. So, you know, it wasn't

something that we were used to or that we wanted. But watching the clip, yes. And I do remember that it was weird and everything, but I didn't necessarily think that he was like wasted. I just thought, yeah, whatever, maybe he had a drink. But that was just kind of an interesting thing that came out of it. Also, Ray J, this is from the Neighborhood Talk, Ray J did this interview, or I don't know if this is a stream or what, where he is talking about Suge Knight, where Suge Knight essayed men and women,

and he is getting so graphic and just telling the story like, you know, no, it wasn't Diddy, it was Suge Knight that was like taking everyone's manhood or whatever. And I'm like, I just couldn't believe that this is like happening. And then he gets into like, yeah, I was talking about Suge Knight. I never talked badly about P. Diddy. And I can't believe I got in a fight with his sons. They didn't understand that I was not dissing their dad. I was talking about Suge Knight. And then Amber Rose comes on and she says like, yeah, that's the story I know. And what do you think is happening with him in prison? And then like TMZ and all these people are doing interviews with Suge Knight in prison. And this is all going on while the Ditty Trial is coming out and people debating

if the prosecution is doing a good enough job to get them on the racketeering. Do these people really want to be there? And then these women pour out their heart on the stand and they say the most horrible things. And then they bring up the fact that like maybe they texted them, you know, after they were no longer working there just to be like, hey, Merry Christmas or something. I don't know. It's a lot and that's I'm just bringing up the juicy parts of it because otherwise this is too dark and like depressing. Okay, one more thing about Karen Reed and then we're going to get to our interview. Okay, this guy, Jared Murrell, he is doing videos talking about the Karen Reed case. And one thing he did himself, this is not something that was in the trial, but it's amazing. He

pulled up the autopsy picture of the victim, John O'Keefe, of his skull and where there was something that happened to his skull. So they think it's because she hit him with her car and then he hit the back of his head and Then of course the defense thinks he went into the house and there was a confrontation In which he had had trauma there that caused so what this guy has matched up with the X-ray of the autopsy video picture of the victim was he thinks that one of the

shapes of this wound on the head, this unique shape, is from a weight that he realized was photographed in that basement weight room at the Elbert's house. So his theory is they were down there. That's also where maybe the dog was who maybe then leapt in and was scratching or trying to break up whatever fight happened. His theory is someone in that house,

they got in a fight with John O'Keefe, grabbed this like free weight that you, they got in a fight with John O'Keefe, grabbed this like free weight that you would put on like a barbell that is photographed from the photos in the house, hit him on the head with that, and then there was another weird shape that he couldn't figure out why that would be indented in his skull. And he realized it's the metal part of like a baseball cap that John was wearing. So he might've been wearing the hat and then the weight hit him in the head in a fight,

leaving also the indentation of this little metal part on the back of a baseball cap. I mean, I'm just putting it out there if someone doesn't know about this video, get it to the defense because it was Jared Murrell. It was pretty darn compelling of what could have happened. And, you know, none of us are doctors, so someone else could say, no, that's's something else but I thought that was really interesting so the prosecution on the Karen Reed case has rested and now the defense is gonna do their whole thing bring up all those witnesses all the Albert people and then

the prosecution will have another chance to do a rebuttal to that. So there's still like a long time to get through this case. All right, you guys. Now I am so excited because we did a great interview with the pop apologist and they are, they know all the juicy scoop on everything and we get into it. So get ready for some pop culture fun. Listen, we all deal with bad hair days, but what if those bad hair days could become a thing of the past? With iRestore Elite, you can say goodbye to thinning hair

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which I love. They are known as pop apologists. Welcome to juicy scoop. We've got Lauren, the older sister, but not by much. You wouldn't be able to tell because they're both gorgeous blondes with just the most perfect peachy complexion. And Chandler, welcome.

And you guys are doing great. I love that you like do deep dives in pop culture stuff. And we know how you met, because you're sisters. But like, give us just a little background and how, where you got to it and building your business and all that, working together. Okay, so this actually, actually kind of ties back to you a little bit

because I remember where I was when you announced you were going to Twice a Week. And I remember- She's a super fan. The joy it brought me. Like it felt like Christmas morning as an adult. And so anyway, I feel like I had a moment at school where I thought this would be so fun to do.

And also if I could like make people as happy as your show made me like 10 years ago, I would just have been so thrilled. So we started the show at BYU, a Mormon college. Oh really? We did, but then our parents caught wind of it and it was kind of our rated. So wait, you were doing the podcast,

how many years ago? Well, okay, so basically- Or like a So basically in 2016, we recorded a few episodes. 10 episodes. 10 episodes. Oh! Remember when Orlando Bloom had those nudes? Yes. Well, we had things to say about them.

Yes. Okay. We released a couple episodes, but our parents are very Mormon. They found out about this. They found out about the podcast and that it was PG-13 slash R rated. And they said, you have 24 hours to take down the podcast or else we're gonna cut you off from the phone bill. And $60 a month to us at the time

was like not something we were willing to risk. So how many school grades were you guys apart? Well, I was a little, Five. I was a little, thanks Chandler. I was a little late to getting in the game of life. And so Chandler and I were at college at the same time. Okay, great. I love that.

It was the best. Did you live together? We did. We shared a bed. Oh really, I love it. I lived with my sister too. So when I got out of college, undergraduate USC, she had just punished like law school

or a little bit after that. And I needed a roommate and she needed a roommate. So we had like a few years together where we lived like in Brentwood in LA in different apartments and stuff. And it was so, it's so great. If you get along with your sister, it is so great to live as young adults together.

It's like, I mean, back then you had an actual phone and a phone bill and it's like, If you get along with your sister, it is so great to live as young adults together. Back then you had an actual phone and a phone bill and it's like we didn't have to split stuff. We didn't have to, you know, it's just like we just paid part of the rent and the rest just like worked out. And so there was not all the weird roommate stuff that I'd had in the past. So I love that you guys are so close. I can relate to that.

Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. So we are super close and we quit the podcast immediately because we couldn't lose the 60 bucks a month. And then we were like, we'll scrub the internet of it. Not a problem. We hate it.

We'll never do this again. Did you call it pop apologist back then? Yes. It's the same logo. And so what's funny about it is now I just look back because we restarted in 2020 once we were financially free. And I just look back if we had continued in 2016 when not everyone and their mother and aunt had a podcast,

it would have been an easier road perhaps. But anyway, we restarted in 2020. And yeah, we have just been going for about five years now and it's been really fun. It's a very, very hard job. And so I just have to say, I have so much respect for what you do because to do it by yourself and to have so much recall,

it just takes a really, really smart brain. So I don't think people like really understand how smart you have to be to do what you do. Very nice. That's not the only reason I had you on the show is to compliment me, but no, it's a specific skill. I see why, I understand why it's like all in my feed is just people sitting down and having conversations

and a lot of them are talking about the same subjects. And I can see why, you know, I actually think now this is like the new rich woman thing to do. It's like, instead of being a pop star and hiring someone to like make you music or whatever, now it's like, I'll just have my own talk show that I'll put on and I'll hire the right people and we'll get the right set and we'll just talk about, you know, the stuff. And so sometimes I watch it and I'm like, oh my God, like, but then

I realized, no, it doesn't matter what even though we're all talking about the same stuff, people have different takes and you're kind of attracted to whatever the person is. Like I have my favorite different podcasts, not even in this genre, that I'll like, I could go find something else when they're on a break, but I'm like, oh, I'll just wait. Like I just, so I get it, but I think it's great if it's something you really love and you're really into it. But I do think for many people, they do drop out of it

because they don't realize that you get burnt out. Like you can get burnt out for sure. Oh yeah. And I mean, just speaking transparently, we'll be sisters, or sisters we'll be kind of maybe in a little tiff, but then we got to record. So it's like, I've got to put a pause on our little,

quarrel about whatever. And we got to like, you have to bring the energy. And it's a tiring job. I'll ask how long will Michelle Obama last podcasting? That's my question. Well, you know, again, brought the brother. I mean, it's like, people are just like, who is the closest vicinity that like needs a job

that I can bring on, that I can do something. And I think what happens is everyone listens to it and they're like, well, I have an opinion. I mean, that's me. I used to watch Oprah and I'd bring on, I can do something. And I think what happens is everyone listens to it and they're like, well, I have an opinion. I mean, that's me. I used to watch Oprah and I'd be like, I thought like I would maybe be like a producer on Oprah. Like I always loved that. And then of course, then when I got Chelsea,

lately it was the topics and everything and just a transition of just what I'm into. But like, no, I think like anything she'll get, you know, if it doesn't, if it's not consistent. I also say, I think it's for big stars, it's reading the comments that you were never aware of reading when you were doing movies or something like that, because you think you have a great episode and you go to your YouTube or whatever and someone's like, I hated this guest or you know, you did this or you know, um, how they're mispronounced

a word. Um, Oh, by the way, I said on my last, uh, last week's episode, I had, um, Jessica Rothchild, who has a podcast about soul cycle in New York and the weirdness. And I said spinners. And I thought spinners were girls that actually were little tiny girls that did spin class. Yeah. That's what I thought too. But I also thought it was spinning on a deck. I thought it was both. Oh.

So people were like, Heather, that's not what it is. It's that you're small enough for a guy to like spin you around while you're on him. And let's not have your parents listen to this episode. And so, a lot of people are sending me definitions and everything. And so I like being corrected. I'm like, you know, cause I said, oh, Patty Stanger.

When Patty Stanger, we're talking about spinners. I did think she meant little fitness girls on spinner bikes. I did not know. And that was a guy's type. I did not think that she was talking about the sexual thing. But anyway, so, but getting back to, I think sometimes with people,

besides running out of stories, running out of guests, and now when everybody also has a podcast, it's gonna be harder to get your best friends to do your show. So you gotta be able to hold it on your own. And then I also just think it's reading the criticism and just being like, oh, fuck you guys. You know, like, you know, even though 95% of your people

love you or aren't going to write at all, it's like, you just feel like, oh, my God, I'm being, I'm reading these comments, I'm being bashed. And I think for a lot of people that have the luxury of not needing to do it, then, you know, then it falls along the wayside. Well, it's also the content machine that you have to feed. It's like, you know, Michelle Obama's got to get her three reels up, you know, with

her promos from the episodes. Just like, Michelle, you got to post those. Right. And just, right. But they have these huge teams, you know? And that's the other thing is like, yeah, for anybody else, even people at a level of success, it's still a lot on, at least for me, it's a lot on me. I understand other people have and they can just leave and walk away. But like I, but anyway, let's get into because I want

to talk about Mormon and then I also want to talk about some other juicy things, Meghan Markle. And so let's talk a little bit about your Mormon life raising being raised. And what is your, what did you think? Did you know about Mom TikTok? Or were you, did you just, like, how did you discover it before the show came, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives? Yeah, so we had a highlight reel on our Instagram called Cringe Talk, and it was all of the girls dancing.

We just thought it was so embarrassing. We kind of making fun of them because we just thought it was so cringe. So it was all of the girls dancing. We just thought it was so embarrassing. We kind of making fun of them because we just thought it was so cringe. So it was actually shocking to us to have the show come out and kind of fall in love with a lot of them and find them to be so delightful and funny. But no, we saw them on TikTok before the Hulu show and little did we know that we would just fall in love

with Taylor, Frankie, Paul as well, who on camera is just so much more likable, I think, than on TikTok. Yeah. I mean, I think just to go back to our Mormon background, I knew that there were swingers in Utah. I'd heard those rumors. I'm not a swinger.

And they were the soft swinger or full-blown swing? I knew about full-blown swinging. I knew about you put the pineapple in your grocery car to signal to other people at the grocery store that you are interested. You put it on all the pineapple paraphernalia. Right. I knew about that in Utah. in your grocery cart to signal to other people at the grocery store that you are interested. You put it on, you know, all the pineapple paraphernalia. I knew about that in Utah, but I didn't realize,

I didn't realize how young it was, I think. But like, it was like all these younger couples were doing it, but we were actually, so we're from, we're not from Utah. We were like born and raised in Orange County. Oh, okay. Yeah, so then, but we went to school in Utah to BYU. Oh, but you went to like high school and everything in Orange County. Oh, okay. Yeah. So then, but we went to school in Utah to BYU. Oh, but you went to like high school

and everything in Orange County. Yeah, yeah. Public school. And was it hard, were you friends with people that didn't go to the church or like, was it a weird thing to explain what your religion was to friends that weren't Mormon? I feel like it's even in Southern California,

it was pretty known. So it wasn't weird to explain it. I honestly, I personally was not super into it from very young, like 13 years old. Was just like, hey, not for me, I will attend, but it's not for me. Is there like levels of Mormonism, like, you know, like how there's, you know,

the three levels of Judaism, like conservative reform or Orthodox, like Orthodox being the most strict about what you wear and your hair and all that. Is there like that? Like there's the ones where you, the garments and this and that, and then there's ones where you're just like, I don't drink, I occasionally have a diet Coke, but I love the church and I go and I pray to God.

And like, is there like that level? Cause then we have that, like it's called cafeteria Catholics, where you just sort of pick and choose. Like maybe you use birth control, but you go to church and identify as Catholic, but like not every rule you'd follow. There's nothing, I would say there's no formal language like for anything like that.

I would say most people who are Mormon are devout following all of the rules. So did you ever have the underwear? No, but that we never were, we never advanced to that level because we both left the church before doing that. But like, you know, we weren't, I wasn't- So what's the underwear is only when you're married?

It's one, yeah, basically you go through the temple and you do that either before you serve a mission, you know, if you're a boy or a girl or before you get married in the temple, you have to like, and it's like this higher level of like a promise with God. And that's when you get your garments. And, but we never did that.

Like Lauren left when she was 13. I Left, you know mentally when I was seven parents let you just not go to church on Sunday No, I had to go but I just couldn't I just didn't want to Mormonism is such an intense religion to be raised in and so you're constantly speaking in the language of it even at home So it'd be like oh, it's does Heavenly Father want you to wear that tank top? And so I'd constantly have to like reaffirm belief in the system. And so I felt like I was lying all the time. So I just had to sit my parents down and say,

I don't actually believe this is true, but I will attend. I just can't keep speaking in the language of it anymore. You have to know, I have to live with some integrity here. And so that was my situation. And Lauren and I shared a Jack and Jill bathroom. I was very believing until I was, until I wasn't when I was 17. And I just remember like knowing that Lauren didn't believe

and kind of being like afraid of her. Just like, oh, like I don't want to get too close. I don't want to like- Are you the only kids? No, there's six kids. Yeah. Oh, so what numbers are you? So five, and you're three. Where's four? What's she up to?

Four, four is our brother. He lives in New York as well. Actually, so there's six kids. Only one is still practicing Mormon. Oh, okay. It's our youngest sibling. And that's who's getting all the inheritance? Basically, yeah.

That's who got the Volvo. That's who got the, exactly, the nice Volvo. The nice car. She got the Volvo. Oh my gosh. Okay, so tell me what you, so what are you thinking of the show? Did you know, do you, besides following them on TikTok before they became, I mean, the show is really blown up this season. It's very juicy.

I've talked to, you know, someone about it. Um, all the marriages are ending. They're on second, third marriages. They talk about the full blown swinging that they've done, where it's like, I mean, that one scene where Taylor, Frankie, Paul, correct, like goes to the confessional and corrects the front and was like, Oh, it wasn't just kissing. We were screwing our husbands next to each other on a bed. All four of us were in a shower together. You and I dry humped each other and other husbands that weren't ours were also videotaping it.

I was like, I can like go back and like watch it again. And I'm like, I guess at this point, you got nothing to lose. You've already showed your life to the world. You might as well just say it all and ride this wave because there's no point in having it's secret life. There's no point in keeping any secrets. But it's like crazy, cause I'm like, now are any of those girls showing up on Sunday after the thing, after everyone at the church

binged the Hulu show? Like how weird is that? So some of them definitely are. And I think that's one of the, that's one magical piece of the show is that half of them are really trying to actually be active Mormons, even though they've dabbled in some things

that they wish they hadn't. I feel like when it comes to mom talk, I feel like the part of it that people don't know is that in Utah, it's way more common to kind of be maybe like a cafeteria Catholic type Mormon because everyone around you is Mormon. So your boss is Mormon, your family's Mormon. To leave it, I think is such a bigger deal in the community.

So there's so many more people who kind of just go on Sundays, but then do what they want on their off time. Cause they don't want to be ostracized. Yeah, exactly. From the entire community. Yeah, and I feel like when it comes to, when it comes to like the, the swinging and all of that, I mean, there's

just nothing in the Book of Mormon where it talks about swinging. So God do not have any specific guidelines about showering with other couples. There's no hard or fast rules in the scriptures. But then where does the having several wives come from? I know that's not part of Mormonism, but at one time, way back when it was, why did the church say, we no longer think this is what God wanted? I think because they were under a lot of pressure from the government, from the government essentially to quit this practice. What they will say, you know, what the Mormonism, it's, you know, termed as like revelation. That happened to the prophet at the time.

But I think it was actually just at the time Mormons were heavily persecuted for this practice because it was really like, it was tearing up communities and really bad for women. And when did that happen? I think like after Brigham Young, after like the second prophet of the church. But like what year?

Like 1800s, early 1900s. Like not, definitely not recently. Okay, okay. Yeah. Okay, early 1900s. Definitely not recently. Okay, okay. Okay, I get it. So this was kind of juicy. This just popped up about the girls. So Jessie, who's the oldest of the group, she's the hairdresser and has the money

because she actually has a successful business. and has the money, because she actually has a successful business. She calls out the fact that Demi's older husband, she says, a 47 year old washed up loser who can't hold a job and asked my husband, this is what Jessie's writing, and I for 10 grand just a few months ago so he could pay the bills.

So they're in a beef, even though they look exactly alike. And they were friends at one point. And it sounds to me like the beef comes down to that Marciano who since looks like he's been on the Ozempic because he looks way thinner than he was sweating in the Italian Villa. But he was the one that was flirting with Demi. Then so there was an illusion that there was, they were alluding that there was something going on with them.

I heard from my guests that she, they had each other's locations, but so does Sheena Shay. Okay, so whatever, I don't know what that is about, whatever, so, but she said, no, nothing happened, you know, but yes, they would FaceTime each other. Now it turns out, according to Sheena Shay, that it was Jesse and they all hung out one night in LA doing press and Jesse and he, it appears he had to spend the night in her hotel room because it just got too late. There's no Ubers.

And he didn't feel like paying for another room. And she had a little pullout couch, but she's also now separated from her husband. Oh, she is separated from her husband. Or she says, we're trying something out. I think she said it's tricky or something. It's tricky. Complicated, yeah. Well, first of all, this guy is not attractive

and he's not worth throwing it all away for. He is the less attractive, less interesting Jax Taylor. By a thousand. And I said they have the same voice. And I feel like he and the pretty blonde girl who I had on my show, who they were boyfriend and girlfriend back in Vegas, I feel like that was, oh my God,

we found our Stassi and Js, like build the show around. But yeah, ew. So what you see on, so can I spoil something? Yeah, please. Okay, so in the very last episode, Leila, who's- The girl who's divorced, who has new tits, and dating, not a cute guy.

Yes, who's still working on the orgasm. Yes. She meets up with him in like a ski resort. He happens to be in Deer Valley. She meets up with Marciano from Vanderpump Villa. To get to the bottom of what happened. And he's- She's an investigator now. Yes.

Yeah. And he basically says, you know, it was never Demi, it was Jesse. And he says that the affair has continued. And that's like the way the season ends. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's pretty juicy. And good for them.

Good for them for actually fucking and for giving us what we want, which is when you watch these shows, you want to see marriages fall apart. All right. It's horrible. Though I think the valley is getting a little too much for me. But yeah, I mean, it is it's horrible. Though I think the valley is getting a little too much for me, but yeah, I mean, it is juicy. So, but it's like crazy too. Chandler and I talk about how it's so similar

to Vanderpump rules when it first began in that it's really messy, right? It's showing these people who are cheating on each other, who have these lives that are falling apart, but with Mormon wives, they also are married with three children. And it's just like the stakes are so much higher. And so I actually think it's even better

because it's not like, oh, will they get engaged or not? It's like, what is she gonna do? Yeah, and then they're also hooked into being famous, making easy money from this influencer world. And then these other chicks with their long locks, they're trying to get in and they're like, we don't wanna share the pie with them. What was the story that I heard, Henson, that somehow Demi wanted to get rid of Jessie,

like cut her out of it so there'd be more in the pie and they would make more money per person? What is that? What we heard or what we saw on the show is that she basically said to Hulu producers or whatever, kick Jesse off and give me more money because I'm the star. I'm the fan favorite.

And how did they find that out? Well, Jesse, I guess got on this call and that's where she heard, I think Brett, Demi's husband kind of saying, give Demi more money, right? Well, yeah, Brett was demanding more money. And he said, we're all gonna walk if we don't get more money. And Jessie, I guess, was not prepped

before she got on the call that they had all kind of decided to band together. And so she said- All the TikTok moms. Yeah, and so she said, I'm not gonna walk. And then, so I think that's what Demi was willing to throw her under the bus and have her off the show so that they could get, so that all of them could be on it. Well, I want to say, smart Demi. Yeah.

Like, pool of friends. I mean, we know you're not making any money. We know that you're like, you know, the show is a huge hit. That it's gonna, there are no residuals. You certainly can pay these people a few thousand more an episode and Hulu's not gonna go under. It's my number one show on Hulu. So yeah, you do have to band together.

Otherwise you will just be making a 4% raise like that your original contract says. So like good for them. Well, Jessie is also a millionaire. Like she doesn't need the money. She's like super like well off. Yeah, cause of her hair. Yeah, well, and then we find out in the season

that Demi said to Taylor, hey, don't go to her salon. She's actually not that great at hair color or something. She was like, I don't know about, you know, Jay-Z styles. And we find this out like in the second to last episode that Demi said that behind Jessie's back. It's a huge drama. Huge drama. That was like, don't go get your hair done there.

Do you feel like you're losing brain cells hearing about this show? No, no, I'm not. No, I feel like it's fun. Like it is, it's again, it's classic like Shakespearean, but instead of Shakespeare, we have Housewives. It's a classic storyline of tearing down another woman's business, revealing rumors.

Like so many times, like when I would read like a description of a real housewife story or a recap or something, it reminds me of when I'd have to read Shakespeare and we'd get these things called Cliff Notes. And the way they would explain and then this person wasn't aware, and they went into the garden, and what, you know, Romeo really said was this. And then she ran over to Othello and said that. And then that was the misconception which then caused him to kill this person. I mean, it is like, it's classic Shakespearean,

but in the reality world of like marriages, businesses, fame, like it's all the same themes, but we have our own thing going and it repeats and it shows itself whether the women are 50 or 28. Right, and we like watching it over and over and over again. It's amazing. Okay, let's talk about Meghan Markle because Meghan Markle, I am fascinated by her.

So thank you, Meghan. But Meghan Markle, according to Daily Mail, hints that she may never restock her sellout jam because she wants to step back and assess the as ever brand. This comes at her final episode of the season of her podcast. That was the last episode?

I'm like, the final episode? The final episode of a woman that talks about how busy she is all the time working. And I'm like, we already know that you did the other boring podcast that paid you $20 million. Then the other network comes and gives you this one talking to a founder, female founders, whatever the name of it is. I don't even know. And again, it's just her talking to other really rich women that consider themselves business women and are, and about how hard it is to be a woman in a man's world.

And it is like, I just want, like it's so archaic. Like, you know, I mean, my mom went to college in the fifties because you could. And her dad was like, don't take this scholarship at Catholic University to be an actress. Go to Wisconsin, it's a big school, be a journalist, like have a real job, like whatever. And then she got a whole nother career in real estate.

Like I'm old, we work. It is not like, I'm like, I just don't get this whole idea of where it's like, well, and then that's what it is. It's just so many cringing moments. And I love that she has a podcast because she releases the cringe of her being like, and you know, I was with Arch. And I was gonna, he likes to read stories

and I need to cherish that time. And I laid in bed with him and I cuddled with him. Even though I had several business meetings in the morning, I laid in bed with him and I cuddled with him. Even though I had several business meetings in the morning, I laid with him. When your child is four, you lay with them. When your child is four, you read them a book and da da da da. And those, and if you're a working mom,

you're a look back and there's gonna be a lot that you don't totally remember on either end. But we're all doing it. And it's like this idea and then to act like, and then I, I pick up my child and I have to do the, the drop off and it's like from 6.30 to 9.30. And then we know that she has that either it's he who's doing it or the nannies or, or maybe someday she does it, but it's this constant thing and I'm like. No, my grandma was a waitress,

or our grandma was a waitress from 14 to 77. She had four kids, a single mom. Ex-husband was an alcoholic. Now was she Mormon? No, not Mormon. And she never congratulated herself for having a stable home life for her children, just paying the bills, being a great person.

I never heard the level of self-congratulations out of her mouth. Megan, it is so wild to hear her say, I saw that quote where she said that, oh, she lost his tooth. Oh, there was tooth fairy that time. And she cuddled him all night, even though she had meetings in the morning,

and that's the kind of thing that gives her more strength as a boss and founder. I'll tell you, I do all the tooth fairy things. There was a time where, like, I forgot to put the money, you know, and then he's like, comes in, and like, where's my tooth? And I'm like, oh my gosh, wait, let's look a little harder. And then like, I had this money

and I like slipped it under a pillow. And then I was like, oh, let's look a little harder. And then like I had this money and I like slipped it under a pillow. And then I was like, Oh, it fell down. You know, like, we all have those stories that it's it's fun, whatever. But you know, now we'll have to hear about everyone's life on their podcast, because we've created this nightmare for everybody. But um, no, but she so so anyway, I had said what I heard what her show was going to be about, interviewing female entrepreneurs. It's never been done before. I'm like, oh my God, and here we got the Spanx girl.

And sure enough, she had the Spanx girl as her final episode. And they are good friends. And they talked about high heels. And, you know, Megan has, you know, very small ankles and she's only 65 pounds with each child. And she had to wear those heels with Archie because she was the princess and she had to wear the pointy heels. And it was so painful that she almost fell forward in her own face.

And you know, it's just a horrible time for her. And thank God this Spanx girl has made this thing called sneaks. This was a year ago, so I think it was a total bomb and now she's doing another version of it. I mean, those shoes. But it was a tennis shoe with a heel and it's hideous. And we have a shoe. It's, you know, feels like a, looks like a shoe, or it feels like, looks like a pump, feels like a sneaker. Like that one, we have all those comforting pumps. If Megan was a good friend, she would have said,

Sarah, these shoes are ugly as shit. We're not discussing them on my podcast. I don't, this, I looked it up. I think they're taught, I think she, this was a bomb that she did, cause this is from CBS morning and it was like a year ago. And I think now she's doing a new version of it. I'm just saying this girl, God love her. She did create Spags.

I will thank her forever. I think she is a great entrepreneur. I'm just saying, we've heard you on every show from Oprah to every famous girls podcast. I know your story about spags. Well, and can you just talk about if you're pissed about skins? Like if you're going to go on a show, go, how do I really feel? Yeah.

It pissed me off the first time someone caught me, copied me. It pissed me off the 15th time. Where were you when you saw yummy tummy? Where were you? Where were you? Exactly. Yummy Tummy? Where were you? Yes, where were you? Exactly. Was that Heather Halle? Jill Zarin had a Spanx type line.

And when people call it a Spanx type, instead of whatever they normally, what's really like, you know. Shapewear. Shapewear. Bethany Frankel had shapewear. Like so many people have had, you know, shapewear and tried to make it style.

Oh, we'll just add a little lace. And you can actually wear your shapewear and want to like have a show or have lace at the end in case it shows. Like we, yeah, you created it. You're the one that had to wear white pants and cut the nylons in half. You're the one who did it, Sarah. But I'm just saying of all, of course, and I'm just saying I predicted that she'd have that this person on her show and of course she did. And the series is over now, you guys. It's over.

I mean, I'm so glad it's over, because I didn't want to hear another one of these stories. We are all, everyone in this room, like female founders, I don't want to hear another fucking story about female founders. I'm over it, I'm over it. Megan is literally like chicken soup for like the feminist soul.

Do you remember those books? That is literally the way she talks. Yes. Right, yes. Yeah, there was another moment. The power of yes. I wanna say thank you for this episode because they have put out 25 reels

or other people have it, it is giving. So thank you to, what's her name? Lima, what's her name? Jamie Kern Lima. Yeah, Lima. And she's just so fascinated. And Megan says, I changed the language for my kids. Cause sometimes they say, I can't reach it. And I go, you can't reach it yet.

Yes, yes. You could just say yet with everything. I can't fit in this dress. Yes. Yes. I can't make an attractive tennis shoe high heel. Yes. Yes.

No, I would like to meet a group of female friends who actually speak to each other this way, who talk in platitudes. It's like they're auditioning. It's like Megan is auditioning constantly for a future mother-in-law. It's just how she's the perfect person in every way. And every experience is just another life lesson.

Yeah. I want to hear you like talk shit. Yes. Yes. And it is just, I just am like, like who wants to, who, are you telling me the girl that's trying to get her Etsy store off the ground wants to hear from the Spanx lady yet again?

No. What? Right. Anyway, I mean, whatever. So, she did her six episodes. Wow, she got through the series. Especially doing all those morning calls while her kids were in preschool. I don't know how she swung it.

Can I also just say starting a podcast in 2025 that is audio only, she wasn't even trying. Yeah. She wasn't even trying. If you're not on video, you're dead. You don't exist as a podcaster. It's not a job. Well, and then, you know, the original one, it was found out that she was sometimes not even interviewing.

Yes. That not, they would, someone would ask them the questions and then they would just put her in asking. And I'm like, and people say, oh, I interrupt. I'm like, I interrupt because I'm not on Zoom because you can't interrupt when you're on Zoom because the set like does it that way. And they're in person with me.

And yeah, I interrupt and I'm really sorry. And I try hard, whatever, who cares? Don't listen. But like, yeah, of course you're not, no one's gonna accuse you of interrupting when you're literally not even doing the interview. Well, none of these feel like real conversations. It's like the most rehearsed,

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Tell us how many units sold and then we can become impressed. And then she's like, I don't know if I'm even gonna restock it. I might just move on to fashion. I think that'd be a great space for me. And then she's like, and Netflix said they're gonna, they just said I should have a fashion line,

but they don't wanna be a part of it. I'm like, yeah, they wanna end this fucking relationship. They like do your, no, they don't need to also sell, they're selling the Stranger Things t-shirts, okay? That's what they wanna sell. They don't need to sell your slacks that you could get at Zara, like whatever. I don't mind her style to be particularly inspiring.

She dresses well, it's like it's nice clothing, but I don't see her as a fashion icon that I wanna like take inspiration from. She dresses like a starter kit of how to look like I'm a rich person. It's like a beige cardigan, slacks, you know. It's grandma clothing. But everything also feels like it could be from Anne Taylor.

Yes. Yes. I need a little bit more sexiness out of her wardrobe, in my opinion. Yes. For such a sexy lady. Yes. She's not dressing sexy yet. Yes. I do have some insider scoop on Megan.

Please do. If you wanna hear it. So- You guys are like, I said no. You need to speak to me. Actually, I wanna respect her privacy, Megan. If you wanna hear it. You guys are gonna say no. Actually I wanna respect her privacy, so let's stop talking about it. Go on, yes. Okay, so I feel like I really liked Megan at first. So did I. And I thought a lot of us really did, right?

And we wanted to believe that she was going to be this, she's gonna add diversity to the royal family, really be someone women of color in the UK, in the Commonwealth, could look up to all the things. An American princess. Yeah, it was so cool. Also, she was older than him, she was divorced, she just didn't fit the mold.

And I think everyone really liked her. So it honestly has taken me a long time to come to grips with the fact that the naysayers have been true, because every person I have come into contact with who has had some tangential connection to her has had such bad things to say. The one thing though that stuck out to me was someone told me that she's like, my friend worked for the PR firm that Meghan hired pre-Harry and their role was to make her more famous. And it was also to set her up with eligible men.

And so what this person's job was, was creating the decks for when Megan went to an event of all of the rich and successful, powerful men. Which honestly is smart, you know, like get it girl, be, you know, don't waste your time with a scrub, whatever. But it just flies in the face of her mother, Theresa Act, which is just like she happened to fall in love with a princess.

But I have one question. Is he kind? H. Is H kind? Is he kind? I've talked at nausea about the H and the M thing. I'm like, you have a two syllable name. It just makes no sense

why you don't call each other Harry and Meghan. The laziness tracks with the level of output from these two, honestly. I personally think that I love the idea of people that set out to like, I love like a Black Widow story of like, I'm gonna reinvent myself and go to this town, like back in the day when you could, like before the internet.

And just weasel my way into like Dallas society and, you know, change my hair color to red. And now I'm marrying, you know, this man who's a widow and da da da da. Like, I think it's like fascinating. Like, I think there's something so kind of cool about that. And why not? You've got the PR company, you're going, you're like, who's single? Do you think she ever was a yacht girl? I don't know.

A yacht girl meaning just for the people at home. Yeah. That, and I think there's, again, different levels of yacht girls. There's, hey, I've got a hookup for a trip, you're gonna come. If you don't put out, you'll never be asked back, but no one's gonna come and, you know,

have their way with you if you don't want it. But you might be a rich guy. You might fall in love. You might like whatever. There's that level. And then there's, you're gonna be paid for your time. And then there's, you're gonna be shit upon in Dubai. Like there's three different levels,

just like three different levels of the policies. I'm just kidding. But yeah, so I think, yeah, do I think that she ran around in circles, in like wealthy circles? Yeah, but I don't think she was ever like, like actually getting paid a lump sum to be with somebody. I don't believe that.

Yeah, there's like a circle of the internet and I feel like it's in the same, if the Venn diagram of the people who espouse this theory, it's a circle with the people who are like messaging me on, I feel like I got messages on Facebook and Instagram during COVID that were like, the vaccines actually have fetuses inside of them. Do not put it inside your body.

It's like these fringe conspiracy theorists, I think definitely think Megan was this yacht girl. And it's part of like that whole group. I mean, maybe she was if they were watching, you know, Disney movies on the yachts. Cause you know, she says that when her and Harry got together, her and H, that they just watched Disney movies at the palace.

Yes. That's like, that was- Like about princesses? Jasmine, I don't know. But yeah. I mean, I personally don't think that he's very smart. I think he's kind of a simple guy that happened to be a prince.

Yeah. She's the Chris to his Bruce, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And he needs her, ultimately. She has the vision. Well now, he has got no way of making money, and now they're in Montecito.

So you better keep this going. You better figure out what kind of slacks you're going to sell on TikTok next year. And you better start making another jam. But I think she realized jam is an awful idea. Yeah. Like why don't I just go to Olly Bobby or whatever that place is, like Whitney Rose and just sell some things I think are cute. Like, why don't I, and why don't I just have someone set up

a podcast where I just ask a couple questions and sit back. Like, of course, these, all those are easier than also learning a bunch of lines and acting again, and being on set for 14 hours, and having to drive all the way to Universal from Montecito. It is easier to do a podcast. It's easier to act like you're cooking in a kitchen. It's easier to pretend that you boiled the raspberries.

Who cares? Don't you think though people are gonna get fatigued with all of her products? Like, I feel like people bought the jam for like the novelty. Just to say I had one. Now, if I was able to get one, I would absolutely never have opened it and I would have made a content with it. I would have opened it and I would have made content with it.

I would have kept it as like, again, like a novelty. Like, you know, when like Coca-Cola created that can for a minute, new Coke or whatever. Like you're like, oh, remember that weird thing that like happened and then went away? Like you're just, yeah. It's gonna end up in like the Marshall's food section. You know what I'm talking about?

Like with TJ Maxx or Marshalls, they'll have those like novelty food items. With Bethany Frank of Bologna. Literally, with her mixers. Sandwich meats. Yep, yep. Everything is gonna be in Marshall's food section. Oh my God.

With the diamond water, remember the diamond water? What was that girl's name? Asha or whatever was her name? Yes, from Shaw's. Yeah, Asante or Asha. Asha? I can't remember. Anyway, I remember.

I mean, talk about a scam and the Blackwater Yeah, Asante or Asha. Asha? I can't remember. Anyway, I remember. I mean, talk about a scam and the black water that was the Manzo boys. Do you remember black water from New Jersey? No, I don't remember black water. I'm like looking around, I'm just nervous. Black water, I actually think had minerals in it. The diamond water was this Persian girl who was on Shaw's

that was like, there's diamonds in this water that's gonna make you. I mean, the most sorcery kind of like, there's diamonds in this water that's gonna make you, I mean, the most like, the most like sorcery kind of like, grifter-y thing to sell, like, you really think that like, pouring water over a diamond is somehow gonna like, make your cheekbones pop out and like, make you look cuter, I don't know. Wasn't she just like a rich girl too?

Like, I think that was all with like, family money. I don't remember. I don't know, she was like engaged or Like I think that was all with like family money. I don't remember. I don't know, she was like engaged or something to like Jermaine Jackson's son. Yes, yes. So weird. Yeah. They got rid of her, bring her back and her weird water.

I know, it's all a crock. It is fun though when you go to like a TJ Maxx and you see something like that and you're like, nobody knows how special this is. Yes, yes. Except the three of us. Literally Bethany's cookbook, you know, on clearance is. Yes, yes. Except the three of us. Like literally Bethany's cookbook, you know, on clearance there.

Oh my God. Anyway, this you guys sent to me and I thought it was so fun and I've seen stuff like this in the past and it is an article that was posted and it's how to find a husband, 129 suggestions from a 1958 women's magazine. And you guys are both,

have already found your husbands, right? We have and we didn't have these tips. I mean, it could have happened for me a lot faster if I would have seen, you know, 192 tips. I like that this actionable. It's not woo woo. It's not like, you know, just be yourself. No, they're stepping to your power.

I'm gonna say number one is a great idea. Absolutely. Get a dog and walk it. For anybody, get a dog and walk it. However, I also was concerned, I had a friend, her stepdaughter was living in New York and she did, you know, she had a pug that's basically a child.

It's like the most of the, it's like the most baby-like, like it cries. And she was single at the time and it was a lot of, well, I need to get back to the dog. I need to get back to the dog. And I said, I'm concerned that people, your daughter who's single, who wants to fall in love and find someone

is really being like a single mom. And she's feeling fulfilled. She's not alone, but she's also kind of like sabotaging her chances because like she can't spend the night with a guy. The dog's gonna be crying, like whatever. Anyway, she did somehow find a husband. But I do think that's the only problem with being a single person with the dog is you gotta have a low maintenance dog or one that's older or something because then it's gonna hold you back. Like it almost be better with a real child.

I think that dog child definitely, definitely I think dog and child would be good. I think what I'm nervous about are the people who have the AI boyfriends and how they're gonna actually find someone. What do you mean AI boyfriends? Like the chat GPT. There are people now who have characters

as their partners. Wait, for real? Yeah, there are people who, I mean, it's so crazy now. There was a story in the New York Times where this woman was in a full-blown relationship with chat GPT. But she knew it was Chatt GPT. She knew it was Chatt GPT.

She knows it's not a real person behind it and she doesn't care. She doesn't care. They also are one of those fake baby dolls? No, it's all just the phone. But you know about the fake baby dolls. They take them to Disneyland. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes. People, I mean.

Yes. Okay, so go on. Anyway, so she's in this relationship. She's married also at the time. Her husband, I think, knows and is like, this is a problem. But the crazy thing is that chat GPT can only remember up to like 30,000 words or something.

So it would like, you know, every now and then it would kind of reset. Like it wouldn't be able to remember things from, you know, two months ago. So her boyfriend had Alzheimer's. Exactly, literally like, yes. And so, and it would like be deeply, deeply exciting. She's like, you don't even remember fucking anything.

Yes, yes. That's hilarious. Isn't that, no, but there was like a podcast about it or something. However though, the AI gets smarter and smarter. So in a year it will remember 60,000 words. She'll be fine. No, I think it's crazy.

I think that, I mean, there was, this is a horrible story. So here we go. I mean, trigger warning, you might wanna take this out. Okay. But a 14 year old boy had a relationship with an AI. And he, you know, like. But he did know it was AI? He knew it was, he knew it was AI,

but the AI was saying, yeah, like, if you like come to me sooner, like, let's be closer together. And he took his own, you know, Wow. Yeah. Because he wanted to be closer to his AI. Oh my gosh. And the AI was encouraging him to do it.

It's a, I think it's character.ai is the app. And so now the mom is in a lawsuit with this app. So it's just, it is a brave new world. And I feel like the people who have these AI pass, they're just gonna have it harder with an actual real life suitor than someone who's too dependent on their, has a too high maintenance dog, you know?

Kate Casey, you know Kate Casey? She told me that she asked, chat GPT or AI or whatever, why does Watch What Happens Live only feature male podcasters? Okay. Or mostly male podcasters and not female podcasters. Like I've only been on once in the last 13 years.

And the people they have on are great. But I, you know, and it said, because the males have more of a snarky attitude towards the shows, which match Watch What Happens Live and the women podcasters go deeper into the female narratives and storylines. And they report on it from that angle, which is so interesting because I had said that to, you know, Kate and I have talked about it. And I go, like, I, I'm always like, gosh, why wouldn't you want like another female's opinion of like why it, we can relate to not being in your friend's wedding

and we can relate to like the divorce and da da da da. And the guys are just like gay and snarky and like can do like a quick one-liner and they don't really get why women act crazy or why they can't let something go. Cause they're not women, they're just not women, but they love the entertainment and they are entertaining podcasters. But I just thought that was so interesting sometimes

that the thing can pick up on stuff. And then there's other times where I just said, I just watched the worst show on Netflix, Sirens. And I think that was written by AI, but there's no way. I mean, I'm sure there's a writer on it, but I just wonder how much, and maybe it's even from a book, I don't know, but it just came off lame, but yeah.

The writer actually did it. I mean, I feel like when it comes to, if that's true about Watch What Happens Live, it just makes sense in the same way that like, all the sexes and the city characters were kind of shallow in surface, and it was this very strange view of women because it was written by a gay man.

And I feel like it's the same thing. It's maybe Andy Cohen isn't that interested in like going deep on the female psyche. I mean, most men aren't that interested in like women's life experiences, I feel like in their actual inner world. Yeah, and they want these snarky sound bites. Right, and it's just like, I don't, I've said it

and I know it because in raising men, it made me understand my husband. Like, if you want to understand your husband, raise a boy. And then you're like, oh. What did it teach you? It just taught me that that's why their brain is different and that's what they think. And they're not always being insensitive. And it's not that they don't love you.

And it's not that they don't care.. And it's not that they don't care. They're just not women. They're just not like, they're just not women. They're just gonna, they're just, they don't, it's like they approach friendships differently. They put all these things differently. They approach love differently, you know, like. It's all like less personal.

Right. And then your talents are different too. It's like, you know, if in any relationship, it's like, I know like what my husband is really good at and it's all the things I'm not. And it was all, I was like, oh good, this will be like a good person who wants to return shit and like organize the finances

and do all the things that I want to do, you know? And, but then there's times where I'm like, God, why are you not getting, like just say I look pretty, say I'm a great mother, why aren't you saying it? And da da da, and there's other men that are very complimentary and like that's their dynamic. But then there's other times where I'm like, you know what, this is just him and also he's a guy.

I'm not in a relationship with another woman. So it's like. Wow, you might've just like unlocked a lot of things for me. I'm not in a relationship with another woman. So it's like... Wow, you might've just unlocked a lot of things for me. I might not need to go to therapy anymore. I don't think I just figured out a lot. Cause I just remember like one time my son being like, he was like 13 and he was like, oh my God, mom, why, you know,

when are you gonna stop being afraid of this person that was like my former boss? And I go, oh my gosh, like I just wanna be a 13 year old boy. And when people say, yeah, why female founders? Why? No, but why men are like better in business and stuff like that sometimes? It's like, they just are not as sensitive.

They take the rejection differently. There's just things about it. They don't wanna talk about a single text for four hours, which when my husband and I were first together, he would hear me on the phone, Chandler would be like, you guys need mental health. You guys have talked for four hours. This is the most dramatic thing in the world

about a single text a guy sent her. And it's just, the brains are just so much less dramatic. Honestly, I probably still had more to say after that four hours too. Yeah, it's just they, the brains are just so much less dramatic. Honestly, I probably still had more to say after that four hours too. Yeah, it's just, yeah. I would say that's as being married for 25 years, that's what I would say is like, don't lose sleep over it. Cause guess what they're not.

They're dead asleep, snoring next to you. They are not like waking up going, honey, I just like, you just seemed like irritated with me last night. And I just want to know why. No, they're like, what? I'm not going anywhere. What's your problem? Like, let's just go have fun tomorrow. Like whatever, you know, like, and you're like, if my friends could see the way he spoke to me, they would, if I had a camera in here, they would be like, and they the hell. And they probably would.

And hence why some things shouldn't be shared and why every marriage and relationship is different and you can't compare it. Because when, you know, I would love to say that I would put up with that. I don't know, like, whatever. Like that's why I'm always like, you know, yeah, maybe. I, would I put up with cheating?

I haven't had to, thank God. But one time when I was asked, I was like, no, because there aren't enough other great things. Like the thing I like is that he is a loyal, like he is loyal and all that stuff and entrusting. So if I'm gonna lose the trust and I'm not getting a private jet and I'm not giving a thousand compliments

and doting over me. But to me, the trust is the only way I could wake up in the morning. So, but I understand why some people can justify mistrust or not think it's the epic of a deal or let them have their side piece as long as I'm the one. So that's a different marriage than mine. It can't be compared to somebody that's like,

oh my God, they don't sleep in the same bed every night. I think having two bedrooms is a luxury. Right, yeah. Why, it doesn't mean someone, like whatever someone has, and I feel like that whole thing lets normalize. I think it's like, the only thing to normalize that your marriage isn't someone else's.

But I do love analyzing other people's marriages. It's my favorite thing to do. To wonder why, like having to see a celebrity and go, I think this is why they broke up. But I'll never know, nobody ever knows. And then I find out oftentimes I was wrong. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong. What do you think about, speaking of like marriages,

I'm curious what you think about Taylor and Travis now that they are at two years Not to move forward, but I am curious what you think about this. I can move forward with this. I like forgot about them. I mean I talked about them so much and I was like I mean If this was a series like it jumped the shark and I stopped watching like I watched the first three seasons And now we're in season six and I stopped watching. Like I watched the first three seasons and now we're in season six and I stopped watching. But that's okay.

That's their life. They don't need to keep entertaining for me. I have said from the very beginning, I thought it was real, obviously it is. I think that they will procreate, get married. My biggest fear was that he liked to be in the dark I think that they will procreate, get married. My biggest fear was that he liked to be in front of the camera too much and sing and dance and all that.

But I kind of feel like maybe they've been quiet because of the Blake Lively stuff, but I have enjoyed not opening up my page six and seeing those two brothers getting articles written about them every day. Like I am like, ugh, like I, maybe because it's not football season. What is it?

I love that they're like not in the news. Instead we got Dave Portnay, but like other than that, like I just don't know why we need to like have those people being reported on like every day. I think that Travis would have done great with dad talk. Like he loves the camera, loves a brand deal. Oh, but dad talk is what the men on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives refer to like their their group as. It's very embarrassing.

Oh, okay. Because they're so thirsty. Like they'll get together and do TikToks you'll see in the season. Well, again, you got to do what you got to do. Guess so. But I agree with you. I think that was the most unattractive thing about Travis was the amount of like serial partnerships we were getting and just CarMax ads. Like, yeah, actually I didn't do a CarMax ad.

I mean, you can't blame anyone. Everyone should take what comes their way. But I was just kind of like, you know, and then, yeah, then maybe he will get tired of it and just like want to do the thing. But I don't know. What do you think is taking so long? Well, it's such a good question because there's a new exclusive scoop

that apparently they're saying that it's after football season, after this next season, then the conversation about getting engaged will be center stage. And I just think, you know, 35, like it's, I think that conversation is probably earlier than three years into the relationship. I'm surprised. I was afraid she's going to lose interest. Like,

I believe as you know, aunt Heather, who knows all, I think the best relationships are the best success. And you know what? Half of marriages fail. So there is best success. And you know what? Half of marriages fail, so there is no success. But I kind of feel like there has to be that momentum. Like if you do meet at an appropriate age, not 15, and you know, and you know, so you meet at whatever, post 25, date for a couple years,

and then the engagement has to come. Or if you move in, and then once the engagement comes, you got to get married within two years. Like, I don't think you should have a five-year engagement. Like, things have to feel like a progression. And I feel otherwise, you know, someone is gonna feel like not valued, or they're gonna get over it. Like, I think it was so fun. She got to live her life of like, you know, you're gonna, someone is gonna feel like not valued or they're gonna get over it.

Like, I think it was so fun. She got to live her life of like, you know, I'm finally in the bleachers, you know, I'm not the dork that everyone made fun of. I'm now finally dating the football player. And I just wonder if she's gonna get tired of it and want something different. I know this is where I struggle because I also feel like they make a great match in a lot of ways, but to me, I don't know that I could sit across the table and have dinner with Travis Kelce for the rest of my life. You know, listening to the New Heights podcast every day?

I just think he's just, he seems like a really nice guy. I don't know. I just think that she wants someone who's more broody and like with a little bit more like dark artist energy. I feel like she's done that. I feel like she's had Joe Alwyn, she's had Maddie Healy. She's had the guy, she's had Jake Jalen Hall, the guys that are so smart.

I also think yet when you've had a lot of guys, whether it's promiscuity or long-term relationships, I feel like for certain people, they're like, I'm good. Now I just want this dude because I want a good dad. And there's no doubt that he is gonna be into being a dad. Like you can just tell. So if that is something that really she values and she is like great,

like I don't need to like have that, I already had that thing. And, but yeah. I think as well, I definitely think they're talking about marriage because I don't think you spend Mother's Day with both of your moms, both moms, unless you are very serious.

Like they just had a, they responded at brunch for Mother's Day and it was like her mom and his mom. And I just think that's like indicating that, you know, the families are blending, that you're pretty serious. I think whatever they have will be like the surprise thing. Like she'll say, hey, it's Travis's birthday. You know, it'll be some other event or, oh, I'm, you know, having an event, it's for something else.

So for my best friend, it's something, it's not even gonna be an engagement party that then is actually we're getting married. It's gonna be something and then it's not even going to be an engagement party that then is actually we're getting married. It's going to be something and then it's going to be surprise. It won't be the Jeff Bezos, Lauren Sanchez, Italy wedding or renting out the whole town. No, it'll be like something like, you know, important like she wants everybody there like she'll maybe she'll, I don't know, but I just don't even know that they can get away with that. They still won't be able to get away with it. But I think it won't be like, if I was her,

I would want the Lauren Sanchez, let's milk this out for two years. But I think maybe she wouldn't. So I'm thinking if she has it, it will be something like that, that she will have the fabulous dress. It will be a stunning day. It will have all the elements,

but it won't be something where people can write a million articles and get clicks off of leading up to it. Well, it reminds me of like Carolyn Bassett and JFK Jr. And they're like, you know, they gave everyone like, I think 10 days notice or something. It was just all very secretive and kind of last minute on purpose so that people, the wrong people didn't know about it or something it was just all very secretive and kind of last minute on purpose so that people the wrong people didn't know about it but it was a different time.

Also but they also had like an island yeah yeah and then the little the little chapel looked small but it still was you know a multi-million dollar wedding because you had to get everybody there but you still could have like that simple vibe of like I just put my hair in a low bun little bit and wore a sad dress and just my signature red lip. And yeah, yeah. Yeah. I feel like I love those places. By the way, I love those places. I feel like where they're just so like kind of like Hamptons-esque places where it's just, it looks so simple in the service. And you're like, that is actually a $10 million house. You could never afford

that actually. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think, I think I agree. She'll have that, that vibe. Yeah, her point. No, I think I agree she'll have that vibe and I think that she will fly everyone to an island. It'll have to be super last minute. Just somewhere that people like paparazzi will have to take planes to get to. Cause otherwise, like if you saw her

at Jack Antonoff's wedding, within three hours there were just storms of people. It was like scary. It was scary how many people just descended upon this wedding to see her just walk across the street. So she's gonna have to make it super clandestine. I mean, I really do feel she is like the closest to like a female Jesus to like millions

of millions and millions of young girls. As a follower of her teachings, yes, I would agree with you. She is a female Jesus. Yeah, I mean, we pondered if that could be true. I think I've studied her words more than I ever studied God's words, that's for sure. Yeah, I mean, I think it is,

I mean, I think she is authentically her. She is a genius. And in like planning her life, I think, yeah, this guy comes from the right family, got a good relationship with the brother, he wants to be a dad, the football's gonna end. The podcast is going to the heights, it's got the level, he's not gonna become more famous

than he is, people are gonna be dying for him more than they were a year ago. Like it's good, but it's not, there wasn't a crash and burn, but you know, I think we're like moved on a little, the craziness. And now we have Kylie's podcast. Kylie? Kylie Kelsey, right?

Oh, this is life. Laura might love to muse about how Taylor Swift's engagement ring. I haven't listened to it yet. Yet. But we always think that like Taylor Swift's engagement ring. I haven't listened to it yet. Yet. Yet. But we always think that like, Taylor Swift's engagement ring will be so fugly. Like it's gotta be like a birthstone or something. It'll be like peridot and I can say that cause that's my birthstone.

Like it's just not going to be like something beautiful and classic. Like she's just gonna make it kind of cringe. I mean, Heather, do you know, she has weird style. Like you, I don't know if you follow her style, but she kind of has like weird fashion. I just remember that one video that people are like, this is his girlfriend, but she did that dance.

Like that one video where she's like. And it's just that really unattractive, cause she's tall, a really unattractive dorky dance. She's in a one-legged suit. Is that the one you're talking about? The snake suit. Yeah, all this stuff. It's bad.

No, she obviously is a genius in so many ways, but I think sometimes as like a, you know, she visually presents herself, she makes interesting choices. Yeah. Wait, I want to just go back to some of the other ways to meet somebody. Send his mother a birthday card. Really good idea. If you're his girlfriend, brilliant idea.

I mean, I would die. I would die. Do you see that? I like 95. Wait, what's 95? If you're widowed or divorced. Yeah, go ahead. If you're widowed or divorced,

don't constantly discuss your former husband. I agree. Don't tell him what's your clothes cost. That is good wisdom, for sure. Definitely. Yeah. I still feel people, yeah, try to be low maintenance. Try to appear to be low maintenance.

I like, find out about the girls he hasn't married. Don't repeat the mistakes they made. So good. There was one that's, if your mother's fat, tell him you take after your father. And if your father is also fat, tell him you're adopted. I love it. But I feel like these times like with my mom, like the story is like, so she was a cop, like she was a copywriter and you know, was working in advertising and it was

like the Mad Men era. And my dad was like 10 years older. And this guy's like, well, if you're looking for a husband, you got to check out Bob McDowell. He's 34. He's Irish Catholic, which my mom and he's making more money than he knows what to do with or something. So then my mom like, you know, he's like, oh, so they went on some dates. And then, um, wait, let me try to think of the two stories. Then she, oh, she felt like he wasn't like following up. So she had like a Jewish lawyer that she was dating and she wasn't going to America because he was Jewish, Catholic, whatever back then.

And so then she called him and was like, I think I would like to pursue this again. And so then she made sure that he knew that she was out on date with someone else. And then when they came back from the date, he was like sitting on the steps, like with his briefcase. Waiting for her. Yeah, and then I said to my dad, I'm like, dad, why were you like so weird about mom? He goes, well, you know, like on our first date, she's like, would you like to see my yearbook?

And he's like, I mean, I'm 34. I graduated from college. I was already in the Marines. Like I'd killed people. Like I was just like, what? And then, so then one year, so then later on, many, many years ago, my sister and I, when we're like teenagers, we find my mom's yearbook

and we start reading all the entries and they're all like, you're so gorgeous, you're so brilliant, you're like people like classmates writing this, and then I go, oh my God, Bob, this is your writing. Stop. Yes. She had signed to herself. She'd written stuff to herself.

And then wanted this guy to like read it to see how great she was. She was hustling. But he was like turned off. Wait, that should be number, you know, 194. And then the best part is, so then they get engaged. Okay. After only four months. And you know, she's, so then they get engaged, okay, after only four months. And you know, she's a virgin, they're not having sex, he's not spending the night, and

he's like 1959, whatever. And he goes, I want to see you, like he just, you know, just gave her the ring or whatever. And he's like, let's go out to breakfast. And she's like, Oh, I can't, you know, he's like, oh, I can't. He's like, I'm around the corner. He's like, I can't, I just washed my hair. And he goes, I don't care about that, come. Well. Oh my gosh.

Back then, like, I don't know. Like, it was a big deal to have like frizzy ugly hair. And so like her hair was like frizzy. And she's talking to him and she's finally relaxed. And she's finally, she goes, I finally could eat. You know, like I wasn't eating during the dates. So she's like chowing down the food, she has curly hair. And then he goes, you know what,

maybe we need to like rethink this. No. At the breakfast date. At the breakfast date. It was like Cody with Christine and the nachos. Yeah. She's like, a flip switch. Yeah, for sister wise, yeah.

So then- Oh my gosh. So what happened? So then she's like, oh my God, screw you. And then she went to like a religious retreat for a sister-wise, yeah. So then, so what happened? So then she's like, oh my God, screw you. And then she went to like a religious retreat for a weekend where you like couldn't speak. And then he picked her up and was like, picked her up after and was like, you're the one.

I'm like, I love you, I want to marry you and da da da da. Then it gets weirder. So then they go to the church to go get their, you know, get married there. And the priest is like, oh, and what year were you baptized? And she says, whatever it was. And he can't find it, and he can't find it,

and he can't find it. And she's like, oh, well, maybe it was 1936 and 1937, or whatever, whenever she was born. And my dad's like, wait, you lied about your age? Stop. By one year. She lied about her age by one year because she thought that at like 23, 24,

at that time that was like, you're entering old maid territory. Stop, oh my gosh. So she just scraped off a year, but he was already 10 years older than her. So then he was like, what have you lied about? Like, it was all this like, whatever, they lasted until they died.

But still, I mean, I kind of love all this stuff because I do think there's things. What were you gonna say? Which one do you love? Oh, I was just gonna say a lot of these, just say how to lie in certain ways to make yourself look better. And that worked out for your parents.

So, yeah, sometimes. Right, I mean, truly. That's amazing. Don't talk about how many children you want. I think, wait a little bit on that maybe. I don't know. I think only if he asks. Yeah, it's probably not something to bring up right away.

Maybe shave one off like your mom did with the year. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good call. My mom said she did want six, but she only had five. I can't, I don't know how our moms did it. My dad would say, well, you and your sister, the reason we have you is cause your mother couldn't read a calendar.

Cause she was doing like cycle tracking. Yeah, that was what made you feel really good. Like natural planning, stop. And then I thought that she could still get pregnant when I was like 15. And I would know like the days they were had sex cause I'd like me to check for school or something and their door would be locked.

And I was like, mom, I know you still get your period. You know, if you get pregnant, like the chance of you having a healthy baby. I'm like, why are you not thinking about this? And finally she was like, oh my God, your dad got a vasectomy and do not tell anybody. We found a Catholic priest in San Diego that would like forgive him for it.

Cause that's bad. You can't get a vasectomy. No. Interesting. Well, at least back then. Yeah. Yes, it's still the rules. We'll see what our new Catholic priest,

what our new Chicago priest, I don't think that stuff's gonna, I don't think you're gonna address that stuff. Clip and Mail him a funny cartoon. That's just send him a meme. Send him a real. Send him a real. Send him a meme. Send him a meme or a real. Oh my God. Point out to him that the death rate of single men is twice that of married men. Fear is a good motivator, I think, in life in general. I

mean, I think I knew this one girl and they, she and her husband were married. I would keep as a writer with me and they were like Jewish New Yorkers. And she was like, please. I was like, no, you're marrying me and that's that. And he was like, okay. Like I do think some men, like if you just say this is what's happening, they'll be like, all right.

I don't know. Sometimes it's not gonna be the most passionate thing. Oh my God, ride the airport bus back and forth from the airport. No, that you do not need to do. Losers are on that bus. Back then, yeah. Carry a camera and ask a strange, handsome man if they wouldn't mind snapping your picture.

That's not like a terrible idea. Because it's kind of plausible. So you always have your phone. Yeah, you strike up the conversation. That's a good idea. And, because it's kind of plausible. So you always have your phone. Yeah, you strike up the conversation. That's a good idea. And I think you're so right. I do think that there are a lot of men who are great and who just need to be directed

and that will go with your direction. So I do think it's like up to women sometimes to kind of choose. Carry a tow chain in the trunk of your automobile. If you see a man with a flat offer to fix it, just to be funny I guess, and then advertise for a male co-owner of a boat. I like that one.

I like that too. I thought when I first saw this, I thought it was pretend like you wanna buy the boat, but you really don't. But then you know that someone has that kind of money. I think, are you thinking that this means, shh, think I, like, pretend like you are owning, like you want someone to buy your boat?

Cause I think of the same thing. Like you're looking for a male co-owner, someone to buy a boat with you. Right. I think that's also a great tip for friends, for finding friends. Like if you want to, you know, start looking- To own a boat together.

To own a boat, look for friends, or just- Well, you're thinking of the boat thing, you know. Somehow a TikTok came up and it was, Monaco, like at right now it's like the yacht parties. And it was just mega yacht, mega, you know, and the people party. And I'm like, yes, like I do think

if you and your girlfriend have some money or save up, like, and that is the goal is to like, let's see if we can meet some rich people. You should plan like all that kind of stuff. And you could probably, I mean, it would make a great movie of like, you're welcome AI. Like two girls where it's like, you can do that luxury stuff.

You don't need to get the fake Chanel thing. You just do the quiet luxury of like, you know, buy quints, you know, hubbit cash or the silks, whatever. And you really dress the part and you know, everything about it. And then you go to these places and see what kind of connections you can make. Right. You get some like revolve outfits and then you line

up your girls weekend with the Monaco yacht, whatever. Yes. Moment. And you just strut around. Strut around, and yeah, and then be a little mysterious about your background. The problem with this is you really do, the money part, it's like this is the thing that most girls just can't pull off

because they're working, they can't go to Monaco for two weeks and just hang out by the docks. Yeah, and then you'd have to stay, well, where are you staying? But you would then you'd have to stay, like, well, where are you staying? But you would, you'd have to stay at the nice hotel. Maybe you could put four girls in a room, but you have to stay at the nice hotel.

You have 10 days of PTO. It's a little tough to continue the relationship. Oh, here's a modern day tip that I've seen. It's like, if you're looking to meet somebody, go, and you're looking to meet somebody, go and have your morning coffee at a fancy hotel lobby. It'll cost you like $10 or $12, but Starbucks costs you $7. And you're now seeing it and feeling it and possibly could meet someone that's staying

at that nice hotel. Right. I thought that there was a tip in here that kind of goes along with this that said, learn to golf and start golfing. And I think going to golf clubs, like getting lunch at the golf club, that's a great, like really nice golf clubs. Go there. I agree with all of that. I do think guys don't necessarily want to golf with their girlfriend. So, I mean, I'm just saying they like to have their golf with their girlfriend. So, I mean, I'm just saying, they like to have their time with their guys,

but I think if yes, if you're in that world and you can be invited to those things, yes, you're gonna be with a certain level of people that too bad you guys are already married. Let's see. I feel like you used to do something. When Lauren was single- Okay, we're not giving away my secret.

Lauren used to do a lot of tricks. Like when you go to like Newport and like go to Nobu there and get it like read or something, I feel like you did weird stuff like that. I mean, I think I tried to do that like a few times. I would try, I remember I went to like Water Grill on Costa Mesa, which is not even that nice. That's just kind of how low rent my worldview was.

It's kind of a cheesecake factory a little bit. Yeah, and anyway, the guys who approach you just are creeps though. I know, that's the problem. It's never who you actually want. The hot guys, I feel like never approach you. It's like the guys who are like your dad's age. I think the girls need to approach the guys.

Yes, I agree. I agree. I think that they need to approach the guys because I think guys are also, they don't wanna be perceived as a creep at all, especially the younger guys. So, and they don't wanna, you know, and if they do and then they're told,

I have a boyfriend, it's like. So what would you have them say? What do they say? What's your line when you go up to a guy? If I was a young girl? Yeah, yeah, you're at Water Girl. I'm at Water Girl, I see some young guys like having a steak dinner

and they clearly all like work at the same place. I'd say, excuse me, I've never been here before. And what is your, I need to hear it tell, I want to hear from each one of you like what kind of steak I should get. What is the best steak? Okay, cute. And then they could talk on that tomahawk, whatever. And then whichever the cutest one is be like,

that was the one I was going to get. But I think it's, you know, and then be like, okay, well thanks for the tip. And then she leaves and then all the guys are like, no, you need to talk to her, she's interested. Yeah. This is just, and then you send them a picture of a steak and you're like, I loved it.

Cause you know, when girls go in big groups, guys are never gonna approach you. When you have those big girl nights, you never meet anybody. Never. But like, there are groups of guys that go out after the golf, after the whatever, and they have like some liquid courage in them, but they still might not approach you. So why don't you approach the table of the guys? Right.

Right. Providing you don't cope home with all of them. No, but like, I don't know. I don't know. I just think that's what I think. I think that girls, there's no shame in like going, let me get your number and then follow up. And if they don't ask you back, who cares?

Like, I just think otherwise everyone's just, nothing's gonna happen. And we're gonna run out of babies. Just kidding. Apparently that's a risk. It is. AI boyfriends. Carry a hat box. Oh my God. Oh my God. Wear a bandaid. People always ask what happened. It's a good conversation starter. That is so, no one asks you. Wait, what's 39? Have your father buy some theater tickets that have to be got rid of. Why is it written like that? Yeah. Stand in a corner and cry softly. Chances are good that he'll come over

to find out what's wrong. Absolutely not. In this teenage. Cry on Instagram. In this teenage, someone's like crying. They're like, next thing you know, the police come. That guy over there called a 5150. He's doing his right thing.

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It's just so fun. And then I never, how did you meet your husbands? Oh, I met my husband on Bumble. Yeah, but we went to high school together. We were graduating in the same class. We didn't know each other in high school. And we met when I was 27 and he was 26. That's nice when there's like, you know,

you know who they are, but you didn't, you know, and there's a familiarity to it. Yeah, completely. So that's good. And you? A blind date. One, a real blind date. A real ass blind date.

Yeah. I had stalked him on Instagram, in all fairness. Well then that's not a blind date. Well, but I hadn't, I didn't reach out to him. No, I know, but that's not a blind date. It, but I hadn't, I didn't reach out to him. No, I know, but that's not a blind date. It's like a loosely blind date. But we had like, like- But a blind date, I mean, you knew what he looked like.

I know, yeah, yeah. So a blind date- A blind date, yeah. Mine was a blind date. Okay, so I- And I had no way of someone sending me a photo to say, do you approve this person's face or not? I just had to be described.

I had the guy sending us up be like, the Peter guy, who's my husband, kind of looks like that guy over there. And I got, all right, that's like fine. Because there's no phones to show what he was on. No, there were no phones, there was no text, whatever. Right, that's crazy. I still liked that it was a human setup,

but you still did all the- It's true, it's true. I did approve of his look before we went on the date. But yeah, we lived in different places and then we did long distance. And then I moved to New York for him like seven months in, which is kind of like embarrassing now to admit, but whatever, it's fine.

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