Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Anna Nicole Smith’s Best Friends Share Intimate Details

Episode Date: May 11, 2023

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Now I would like to introduce a really great interview I did about a very intimate personal relationship with one of Hollywood's biggest stars Anna Nicole Smith. As you know, her Netflix talk about her life is coming out in a few days and I was lucky enough to talk to two of her very good friends that are also featured in the documentary, Patrick, and Paul, you're going to meet, they're funny, and they're endearing, but they also give a lot of intimate details of her life, her legacy, her death, what she was like,

and they have some really strong opinions about some people in her life, and I wanna say those are the opinions of my guests and not the opinions of mine or the show, but I think you'll really find this interesting and juicy. So let's get on with it. Hello and welcome to juicy scoop. I have seen them on their show, Gown and Out, because they breast the Hollywood elite in a good way. In Beverly Hills. In Beverly Hills. Gown and Out and Beverly Hills, which is a great title. But you guys have

celebrity clients and you just did Shina Shea's dress. Yeah, I'm waiting to. Beautiful gowns for all the patients. And the patient's. Yeah, he made her gown too. I made summer dress. I made the man she is. The cutest.

Yeah. I've hung out with summer a few times as well. She's smart too, that little girl. Oh my God. She and Ocean are best friends and they are too freaking cute from Vanderpump. Yeah. Anyway, so thank you for coming here and we were just talking about all the mutual friends we have. Well when have their calls you go. Yes. So thank you. So I'm just saying I'm here. So um you were saying that you've known Josh Flagg from Million Dollar

Listing and you said you've known him since you went to Beverly Hills high school Yeah, so I let my shop for almost 30 years that in the golden triangle at rodeo. Oh wow He used to come by with all these Very very interesting ideas about head. Oh god. You want to do the sweat bands? Yeah Yeah, back in today. You wanted them wait. You were doing stuff like that. No just for him Well, I was just I was entertaining the kid. I was driving him home Grandma used to come over and say thank you. You know very sweet story Eat it. Yes, grandmother. Yes, she came before she died and say goodbye to Paul like she knew she was gonna go She said there's only a few people that I really want to reach out and say thank you for all the memories and all the treasures that I can take with me.

And I just want to say, I hope this isn't the last time I'm going to see you, but it may be. Yeah. And I just wanted to say thank you. And then she was, I was like a week or so, a couple of years. Right after that she was gone. And you guys have been a couple for how long 19 years my husband the bitch will say 72 hours, but it's actually 19 years. What keeps it more fresh doesn't it?

72 hours this morning, so I married for how long we're not married. Oh, you're not married We're engaged we had engaged on e television okay on a show called new money Heather would you say would you say? This is a marriage ring or an engagement? Yeah. I would say that's right. Well, I guess it's the engagement ring, you're right. Then you get the, I need the soul. You got engaged how long ago and on what show? On, we got engaged on e television, the show called New Money. Okay. And I shut down with all, the show called new money. Okay. And I shut down old money, but on new money. And I shut down Redale Drive and surprised him got down on one knee and I'm going to tell the story because your story is very short. What I need to know what year this was. I'm going to

tell you five years ago. Five years ago. Okay. I'm going to tell you what happened. First day came out and they were going to do an entire week's worth of taping. Yeah. Then they said it was gonna be a full episode. Then they changed those storylines so many different ways, right? Yeah. Okay, fine. So ultimately he was gonna propose to me because we had a plane. On a private plane.

On a private plane. That was the plan. I was getting off a plane and it was gonna be in Hawaii. Yeah. So everything moved up. But it wasn't like a surprise. You're planning it together. No, no, no, we were planning it. Yeah. He was planning it.

Okay. That's what he was planning that he told me after. Oh, please. She knows you. She knows you control everything. No, I didn't know. No, I didn't know. So what do you think you're doing on the show?

Just acting like you had new money? No, no, no. We were just, we didn't know what it was called. So we were just having fun. Okay. But that wasn't going to happen until not for the show. It was just going to happen in our life. Yeah.

So then they said, oh, well, what if we did this? What if we did that? He goes, well, I mean, if you know anything about Paul, this is what I was going to do for him. Right. So I told him I was going to do the private plane, go to Hawaii, do a proposal. And so they said, why don't we do a private plane go to Hawaii, do a proposal. And so they said, why don't we do a private plane and we can do the proposal at the Burbank Airport,

the millionaire, the private. Yeah. I forget the name of the airport. The Van Ayes, the Van Ayes. And so they couldn't get a permit in time. To film. Right. So then they said, OK, they came back to me,

the producers for me, and they said, OK, we can't get a permit in time to film. And they said, well, what else can we do? I said well I'm going to propose to them so if you go on a capture there's an important part there. Oh they said well what if we just do it inside the hangar with the plane already you guys already have commission. And I said Paul would never allow that are you kidding me.

So wait what do you mean like kind of just steal the view. I think yeah I'm! Are you kidding? No, that's not gonna happen. No, no, no. No, it's definitely important. It must be real. And they said, okay, what if we get a permit? Get a permit from Beverly Hills and shut down

our Dale Drive in a certain section, in front of Cardi. No, it's not happening. He's dead. I wanted in front of the Beverly Hills Hotel. Oh, that's right. Just like the real woman. Yeah. Can't say that. Why do you forget it? I'm not the Beverly Hills Hotel. Oh, that's like yeah, woman. Yeah Why do you forget?

Beverly will yes, Beverly wants to be on the other side of her day. I drive yes, which is right behind my store Yeah, so he goes oh, but we can't do that and he goes well then you're not gonna get a proposal. Because unless you shut down Redale Drive for Paul, what else is there to do? Right. And they go, okay, give us 24 hours. They come back to me and say, okay, we've got a small section of Redale Drive near Cartier, that block, and we're gonna shut it down

for approximately one hour for filming. Can we do it? I'm like, okay, let's do it. Next thing I know, I'm off to Sierra Jullars, same Jullar that did Kim Kardashian's ring, did Elizabeth Taylor's ring, and I'm picking that rock out for him. How many carrots is that?

22 total. That's really, wow. It's beautiful, Heather. Yes, it is. I love it. Yes. But then the bad thing is Yes, after we did this on TV and showed it like I just give her a full picture because okay, I give her a full picture so so here's

Hatry and I and no white we're walking up and down rodeo drive There's nothing happening on rodeo and I'm thinking about because my story is right there at Dayton it radia Yeah, so we're walking up and down and I'm like what happened to everybody? Why isn't there anybody here? Cuz I had no idea about the proposal and they want us window shopping and he's walking with me. We're walking Yeah, what do you do? What do you mean? I'm like, can we just go in a shop? He's like no, no, no, no, you have to just walk up and down the street So now it's because the cameras were not following you they were following us They're telling us you have to pretend like you're showing like, but this is stupid.

Right. Yeah. Have a conversation. I'm like, about what? How bullshit this is? Yeah. I had no idea that there was about 50 of our very close friends that they had text message, did 11 a.m. Yeah. To come to be at Cartier at 12. Yeah. And I'm supposed to be arriving at one. Like everything is planned. So by second to second. So when he got down on one knee, right in front of our, that's our palm tree. Now we have a little tag on it.

I swear to God. It is. So in front of on one knee, and I thought to myself, are you okay? What happened? Yeah. I had no idea. I thought I myself, are you okay, what happened? I had no idea. You thought it was like total surprise.

Oh, you thought you were having like a hell of a shower? Yeah, I didn't know it was going up. Cause we've been walking up and down for like a freaking hour now. I'm like, how many, like what is, like what are we trying to capture? So I start professing my love to him, telling him this roller coaster life we've been on, blah, blah, blah, and then I, you know,

do the big question, well, you marry me. It was beautiful. It was beautiful. He loved it And then all of a sudden he's you know, I'm gonna put the ring on his finger production comes running in cut cut everyone go back after I wanted to run out with Boat balloons and champagne and everything There was so much going on everybody back on the other side of the building and Patrick you need to take the ring out When you do it again because we got to get it close up. Now at the same time there's TMZ but says there's all the Hollywood but says and everybody's like screaming out the window on the other side. Yeah, so fun for a GMZ. But it would have fun day for TMZ. Yeah. Actually see like a filming and a proposal in one thing.

Right. Yeah. At the same in front of Cartier, well played. That's right. The porn. So I'm telling the producer I'm like, well, what if I don't remember exactly what I said They go just do the best you can side to go back on one knee pretend like we're walking again then got done on one knee Did the whole proposal thing again? I love that I needed to hear it again I don't think I heard it the first time although when he did give me the ring my first thing when he opened up that box And I saw the ring the first thing I Whisper to him and of course we're Mike so everybody can hear of what I'm saying but I can't I don't know that they can hear me right yeah I go what the fuck did you sell a house because I don't want the

ring if you sold it to me still on our house yeah I want that like what what? I was shocked. I was completely shocked. It was a moment for sure. And I do actually have a real serious question. When a couple has been together that long and you do own properties and businesses together, how do you... What's mine is mine, what's his is mine. Right, how do you make such a big purchase?

Without me knowing? Yeah, because I'm just like, you know, I've been married for 23 years. So it's like, you can't even sneeze without him knowing it. Like, if this won't happen, but if my husband wanted to upgrade my ring and spend whatever, $80,000,

I would be thrilled he knows that, but still, if I did that for him with like, whatever, a watch or a car. Right. No, I would have had to just like discuss it and make sure You know what I do want to upgrade surprise me that I want to upgrade because it's our money together Yeah, but I guess I feel like some things are Listen if my husband well I call him a husband because we were together before the law passed right We were calling each other husband since he proposed to me the first time.

This is the second proposal. So it wasn't legal anyway, but I feel like if you really care about that person, you love that person and you know what your boundaries are. But you don't want to ring that big and that fabulous. So he knows that enough of you that you would that you loved and wanted something. Honestly, it didn't even have to be a ring. It could have been anything because I've always told him I could live in a shack with you on an island if that's where we need to be as long as I had you.

Of course he would say, fuck no, because I'm not living in a goddamn shack. I would say, fuck no, because I'm not going to live in a shack and not have and be poor and not were designed. I don't know how No, but but I think if you know the relationship there are certain things that like my first instinct was Did you sell because I didn't want the ring if he had sold the house right did I want the ring if you mortgage the house? I Don't know but you know what yeah He made it happen.

And I think it came from the heart. And I think no amount of money could replace any money for this drink. Because it's because something that it was sentimental that he gave to me, that only me and him can share. So the reality show that you're on, you knew money. Was it just like a one off? Or do we hope that it would continue on and you'd be part the reality show that you're on, you knew money. Was it just like a one-off or do we hope that it would continue on and you'd be part of that show? So originally it started,

originally they approached us Doron O'Fear, you know who that is, casting version. Approach doesn't say we've got this new series, we're going to do and they want to follow six couples and a gay couple in Los Angeles and you're one of the couples. So originally it was gonna be a whole docu-series. Yeah, like real house. About the fact that we're a life of certain couples. Yes. And we're very different. But would the couples hang out together or no?

Yes. But we're gonna show them, they said mostly our lives separately. And then you have like a party. Come together a little bit. Yeah, basically. We were supposed to see who lives the most luxurious and lavish and Striving out life right right and then and then

they They came to us and said okay after we filmed everything did everything they've changed the story now It's not gonna be following you guys and it's we're not gonna do like a whole A month shoot now we're gonna gonna do like a whole month shoot. Now we're gonna do a week shoot then they changed it again. So we're only gonna do like a, oh actually it's like a two week shoot down to a one week shoot. So we're thinking they're telling us we're gonna get our own episode. So okay, at least we have one off, one whole episode.

So it'd be six episodes or eight episodes or one couple would be episode. Yeah, yeah. So we're fine, we agreed to it, signed on the dotted line, did the, did you know, one couple would be episode. Yeah, yeah. So we're fine. We agreed to it, signed on the dotted line, did the, did, you know, did everything, did the filming for a week. Everything was great. We're all, we're all, we're all, we're all, we're all, we're all, we're all, we're all, we're all, we're all,

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Exactly. And we now have three couples on one show. I'm like, what? The three stories I saw, I'm like, we went from an out. So what's the competition? So the competition was who could, who spent the most money in the episode? And we didn't even know that we were,

like, we were the well-peating. Who was the richest in the episode? And we were the richest. Which, who are you against, anyone I know? Some Turkish girl in New Jersey, who. Nope, that was, that's Jennifer, right? Jennifer Aiden? Oh, what? Yes! Yes! Oh my God, do you know? Jersey who nope that was that's Jennifer right Jennifer a n

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha oh my god do you know oh well i don't you know i got Jennifer yes yes because i've interviewed her um she's real house i think you're and i and everything that i've

followed they said you know one thing that you know really house i said love it is how many people have done something they've ever been on say yes to the dras or they've been on a dating show or they've been on cribs or they've been on something and people brought up that she was on the show that I you know was a one-and-done show it was one season that's that's that's gotta be it and who else who's the other one was

Kubaq who's I think A couple years back the industry wasn't kind to him. I think a lot of What does he do? Well, he was a singer and a dancer Oh, and they really they made fun of him on the show It was bad. No, they did not make fun of him. They just they showed a good show where he came down from the sky. They show good to react. They all lie down to an empty room. Well, that's what they love. Like when they came on, it was bad. But it is true. They kind of love to show little zoom in that it's empty. They'll zoom in. They know what's looking because because in his

storyline, he came on saying, I am a dancer dancer singer singer actor actor And he said he was 17 years old and he was 30 something I'm not a lie about his age Well, you know when you live in an alternate reality and you start believing it yourself You have critics out there that don't live in that same alternate reality that you do So it may come across as lying or coming across. Oh, but they know it's fake. I mean, Jennifer Aiden went into a store on the show, say, if that was her.

Oh, I want this. I want this. Put this in my cart. This this and we were watching. I mean, it goes, who is this fake bitch? There's no money. That's what we said. What we really did.

She went to a strip mall store. So if she had actually gone to a legitimate boutique, I could say, because the ring came about because he has, we have relationships. So when the transaction happens, so when he's telling, you know, Stato, the Sierra, who makes things for Cartier for Ben Cliff Cliff, and you know, all these other people, right? So when he's telling him, oh, you know, I'm getting this, and if you watch the clip about where he, when he was shopping, he goes, so what do you want? He goes, I don't know, it's Paul.

Stato, you know Paul. I don't know, and he goes, how about this? And he goes, no, I think it has to be a little bigger. Like you should have seen the sweat coming down this man's face. And then the next one he goes, how about this? And he goes, no, I think it has to be a little bigger. Like you should have seen the sweat coming down this man's face. And then the next one he shows, he's like, I don't know, I think it needs to be bigger than this. And a very dear friend of mine,

Eileen was actually with him. Yeah, when we were shopping. Which you don't see. So he took somebody that really knows me even before him that would appreciate and understand what I would like. Yes, I was gonna like any. Sometimes small daily actions really make a big difference, especially when it comes to caring for your hair.

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Anything. So, do you think you're waiting for a big ceremony? It doesn't really matter. Do you think you'll make it official? Well, so the next thing actually get married. We got pitched another show to get married. Yes. And Lance batch Lance bass. Yes. Bitch stole my wedding because we were doing it. To do the show. To do the show. To do the whole. You know the wedding day? I went to it. Oh, that was the wedding day!

Show! Hander! I was supposed to be getting married that day. OK, wait, because you were... I was going to be a lot more fabulous instead of all those other things. So do you feel, do you feel like you kind of gave them the idea because when we went to it,

I was really like this is amazing. This is the first gay wedding that's been filmed like a celebrity wedding. And I loved that they did the mother-son dance for both of them and then switched sons. And I was like, well, it was a natural progression from what we did. Right. That's what I'm saying. So we did the next one. So we did the next one. We didn't even take a says your date. What?

I took my husband as my date. Oh, bitch. So we were, we signed on the, we went back and forth with the contract, the go to put everything together for the wedding, the wedding special. There's what they were going to do. Then the producers everything together for the wedding, the wedding special, there's what they were gonna do. Then the producers, we signed the contracts, that we sent them into the producers,

two months go by, we don't hear anything, hear nothing, nothing. Then we hear that Land Spass was engaged. Next thing, I'm messaging our attorneys ascending the letter to E, what's going on with them? They signed the contract. Well, because it was a whole scheduling thing. Yeah, no. My attorney sent them the letter to E. What's going on with them? They signed the contract. Well, because it was the whole scheduling thing. Yeah, so.

My attorney sent them a thing to E. The producers saying, can we get an executed contract and the producers sign it and send it back? Email finally comes. I'm sorry, but we have decided to take the show in a different direction. One of the producers calls me. Where are all these directions?

Where are these directions? Where are these directions? Where are the actual seconds? One of these producers. No, it's not East West. They all point to me. Yeah, exactly. One of these producers calls me afterwards a week after. She's like, I feel so bad, you guys.

We love you. They loved you. Everything is so great. But Lance Bass and Michael Blurchin got engaged. And they wanted to do a series. And their series didn't get picked up. So they're giving them a red show. Don't be kidding, Joe. So I, that's what happened. and they wanted to do a series and their series didn't get picked up so they're giving them their wedding show

So I that's what happened and when I saw Lance in our boaty when I say I'm like bitch stole my wedding Yeah, he knows he told that he know I I just had dinner with him and you know it is just your story such a common story because when we had dinner He was telling stories not of that but similar things where he pitched movies and had writers in this and that, and it was being... Yeah. So...

And he's a sweet guy. No, of course. Yeah, yeah. And they're great. They have their... They have their babies. Obviously, he's not their fault, and it's like... Of course it is!

No, he's not their fault! Oh, it's not their fault. It's not their fault. But the executive's being like, this is fallen into our laps and whatever, we're gonna go with it in a different direction. Well, of course it's a huge following. I understand that. Which is sucks, but I'm a little bit more.

Yeah. Because I love them both. And I love the fact that they have such a beautiful relationship. And now they're enjoying it. So, because marriage, marriage the ceremony or the The event itself is a party for me. Right. It's not because my commitment to him cannot be identified by a piece of paper regardless or this ring Although I love this ring. I you know, whatever But you do a lot of custom wedding ounces. I've said you did she and a shea's wedding gown

Egypt Chris from growing up hip hop. He did her wedding gown. She's eight and a half months pregnant. Okay. We just saw that on your, she had the purple and white dress. Yeah. Yeah. Because she was pregnant. Nobody knew she was pregnant and all the different things that we did. We started with white. And she goes, you know what? Fuck it. I'm doing it all backwards anyway. I go, what would you really want? She goes, yes, that's what I want. These are my colors.

These are my, this is my theme. I go, okay, and it was in Vegas. So it really needed to be more Vegas-y. And was that featured on her show or your show or both? We were on her show. We were on two episodes of Growing Up Hip Hop and two episodes of Vanderpump Rules. Okay, great.

Well, it was supposed to be more, but then, you know, everybody has to fight behind the closed doors. I'm like, what is wrong with you people? And you had mentioned, and you've said this on a few different shows, but that you saw Raquel and Tom Sanneville at the wedding. Yes, I did. And when you said it, you just said Tom,

and you didn't realize that that's not the time she was allowed to be with. Correct. And then we talked about it, you just said Tom, and you didn't realize that that's not the time she was allowed to be with. Correct. And then we talked about it. And I knew it was. And we always, we always seem together. They're nice guys. They're like, to your, in your brain,

they're sort of interchangeable. Yes. Like all Tom's look alike. Yeah, almost like when they see us together. Yeah. When they see one of us, they're like, they're confused. Which one was that? Yeah, and I'm like, it's a blonde.

I'm blonde, he's Bruneette. But, and we talked about it. And it was during, was during the you know like we're just gonna put this you know This is bullshit and then we thought okay the producers are just setting up more Bullshit The white party and that one and that's why we were moved Cuz they put Short and recal to kiss at the white party so you were at a table enjoying the white party and they're like Can you move from this table

because we're gonna film the two of them talking. My toes are getting nice and toasty wet and that's swimming pool, like what is that? Okay, we had the best table at the white party and those evil producers came and asked us to move to the back. I have to tell you something. So we put on a beautiful wetting.

Oh, I really enjoyed watching it. It looked great. But what, okay, so tell my listeners, I didn't have told a few times. They're called juicy scoops, right? So tell them what did you witness? So you're coming off an elevator? I'm not an elevator.

I have to do that. At what time of night? It was a day time. It was an evening time. The day of the wedding? The day of the wedding. Okay, and we're in the alley near the pool or near the hotel.

No, near the bridal suite. So off to the bridal suite There's like these caves and like rock walls and then to the left I look when I get off the elevator to get something for him and I see him kissing so then I'm like Okay, my mind is just playing tricks on me. I don't understand any of this. Wait. Is she in her bride's bed stress yet? No, no, I don't think she is no No, no, I don't think she is no, because she was She was so late, yeah, because she wasn't downstairs. She was in a robe. Right. I think she was on her way to come down Right. Oh before because okay, the wedding was at five. We were downstairs. There was a wedding was delayed till 6.30

Well, that's all. That's not of a... The bridal party was downstairs. Him and I were downstairs. I was getting sheiner ready. So when we were downstairs, the bride's meets were in one area. The bride was in another and the boys were in a different area, but all together within the same area. Like all the girls in the building, the Mary's. So when I told them to go upstairs, they weren't downstairs yet.

He wasn't in the boys room and she wasn't with the girl. And she'd been living gone for a long time. Which we didn't know until now. So that's when he went upstairs and then on the way down is what he witnessed. And then I'm gonna talk about it. And then I'm like, so. So you think you were, we witnessed a kiss after a boat.

Like they had sex and this was, and this was the good, like the goodbye kiss. And then they're gonna go separately into the bridal sweet area Yes, and pretend like they hadn't been to absolutely yeah, because then he was drunk. He walks in drunk What are you and CIS Jesus? Oh my god

I was about her because she came in Rekel and then they were taking the the pictures with the girls and all that and then he came in afterwards with a fan and he was fanning and he and yeah we were having a great time after when they came into the room but then Raquel was pulled to the back again on her own texting and she's on her phone the whole time the whole time and I told we talked about two and a go she talked to sheena about this he goes it's her wedding but we're not going to bring this up that her wedding is so thin I didn't talk to she I didn't talk to sheena about it before when she was at my boutique She talked to Gina about this. He goes, it's her wedding. We're not gonna bring this up at her wedding. I did it. I didn't talk to Gina about it before

when she was at my boutique. Right. Raquel came a couple of times to the fitting. Yeah. And. Oh, cause you did all the bridesmaids as well. No, not the bridesmaids. The bride.

Oh, she came as just a friend to watch the fitting. Okay. Cause she was one of the bridesmaids, but the closest friend to Gina. So she's like almost like a maid of honors, so everything. Like, you know, they're doing things. She's hosting things with her and what have you. So she knows all the insides about all the stuff that was going on. But she wasn't engaged. She didn't really care.

She wasn't really seem to care. No, she just said she wasn't a phone the whole time. Yeah, she wasn't really interested in any of the stuff that was going on So it was I don't know it didn't seem I think it was just all I think her goal from the start Was to be on the show. I think it's fame. I think she was after To be on the show once she got on the show. She was gonna stay on the show So she falls in love with James. She goes after James falls in love with James. Right. Break up with James, or maybe she's never in love with him.

Once that, and she knew I've got to, correct. And then she goes after four different guys on the show. Yep. But I just thought, never did she go out when they weren't shooting and look for a guy or go on Raya or anything, no, it had to be a cast member.

And she came out with all the friends. we were saying that whenever we would see James, because James would come to our parties, our boutique, we would see him at different events. And Raquel was there, and Paul never liked Raquel. And we would always say, I think this girl, he was saying him, because James is so sweet. We really always love James. And he's hilarious. He's such a nice guy. He's so funny.

He's genuine. And Paul was like always, I why? Is this girl with him? Well, during COVID, when we used to go get our hair done, our hairdresser lives two floors above chain. You stood before moving out. So when they were engaged the whole time, we used to see them there all the time, downstairs.

Then I'm like, and you said, I never learned that she has a agenda. She has a plan,. She is an agenda and I believe it. I believe it now I really do I don't even think she knows some people don't believe me when I say things But I'm one of those people that sees things through People and I've got nothing to hide. I'm like, okay. Well, there it is Some people have like this innate my brother-in-law Kind of has like innate judge a character. And there are times when we had a friends that would end up getting divorced or whatever.

And my sister would be like, you know, even though we did all these social things, you went on a vacation with this couple. Michael, her husband, who's the most stand up guy, ever, her husband, just wonderful. She's like, you know, Michael never liked it. And I go, really? And she goes, yeah, he just rolled with it,

but he never liked it. I mean, he'd be like, I just don't like that guy. I just don't. And I think certain people have a gift like that. I feel like with Lala, like that gift came more attuned after what she's been through. Right. But some people just have kind of have a character

where they're just like, they just have a good judge of character of other people. And something tells you that you're like, I think if a lot of people listen to their intuition, they're in herself. And, but you have to know how to be able to understand it and hear it.

Yeah. I've done some training on it myself before I was with him, where I was, I wanted done some training on it myself before I was with him where I was I wanted to understand Myself, I really wanted to find me before I could find somebody else that could compliment me Yeah, and I think that's when I was able to really realize and you know connect with that part of me I think all of us possess it Yeah, but it's just a way to be able to understand listen listen to it and reason with it. Because there's so many things that have happened and I told China as well. I said, China, I didn't want to tell you all of this because I knew where you were and I knew all the things

that you were doing and I wanted to celebrate. And also she thought this was her friend. Of course. And so like, let her have a beautiful day. It's not going to matter. You don't have anything like concrete. So why say something? Yeah, but I don't think she was ready to even hear it or listen to it because she was planning this extravaganza. And her focus wasn't who likes me or who doesn't like me or who's there for me because her focus was Brock, the baby.

Their life together. She even told me when we were hanging out and her mom too said, you know, she didn't, she really did the wedding like for Brock. Brock really wanted the wedding. And she, she had already done it. She kind of feel it felt like, come on, this is like my second wedding. I think she had a really fabulous time at the time. But like if Brock had been like, let's just do something small in the backyard or whatever, she would have been like, no problem. Yeah course she would have been okay.

Yeah, but because it was about the union, it wasn't about the celebration or we always say, when all of my clients come in, I'm like, the marriage is for you too. Because there's so many brides tell us, the marriage is for you too. The wedding is for the rest of the family and everybody else that's going to be joining in the celebration. I have another wedding question When did it become a Normal thing to be a bride and have like three different bridal changes?

Oh, that certainly didn't happen when I got married in 2000. I love it. I think it's great I still have time how the rickets celebrate another one. It's gonna be 24 years. Let's do it It's okay 23 years May 27. Okay, so we could do it, May 23, May 23, just finished. No, no, it's coming, May 27th. Oh my God, yes! 29 counts, 23 is, 23 years. We'll be 23 years.

Isn't that beautiful to know that you're with? I was not having a year as I got married because it was 2000, this was very easy to keep track. But it's very hard to keep track. But it is a little hard now. But it is a little hard now that you're with somebody that you know you have all this to share with. Yeah. Beautiful children.

You have a great relationship. You guys are healthy. And what else do you really want or need? Well, if he wants to do a Val renewal show, I mean, because I'm not good. What can I call him? I'm not good. I'm not going to do it unless it's filmed. We already said our 20th year, which is in

in July, July 21, that we are going to get married. But we're doing it on the show, obviously. We're not going to do it not on the show. And I know she's gonna change three times. Yeah. Fuck it. I'm changing five times at my wedding. I don't care. Why shouldn't you change that many times because I don't want to miss the fun. Well, I would change I would do two I would do one thing for the for that and like the dinner Yeah, but she did not want to ruin and then one short something to dance well I'll tell you she not she never changed for the cave Specifically at the end she didn't want to check because she didn't want to ruin the dress There's no way you could have been in the cave

But I also I feel the dress is so gorgeous that people change out of it too quickly. I agree. And I'm like, don't you want to spend at least. Oh, she did. Oh, she did. She did. Oh, yeah. She did a whole wedding. Yeah. Yeah. And then like, scoot away for the dancing. Yeah. No, see, I want to do the same thing. I want to do a change for the cocktail party before the pre cocktail before the wedding Change for having a pre cocktail. Of course. Yeah, getting drunk before Then do a change for the wedding, you know doing the whole wedding aisle thing Then change for the after cocktail party then change for the dinner

Then I have a question of the change for the after after party. What did you think of Teresa from Real Housewives of New Jersey's hair at her wedding? You must have seen it. I thought the dress, everything was hideous. It was 1975. 1980 gone bad. Well, that's why I'm saying 75 because if you were doing it into 80s, it would at least be appropriate. Okay, that's why I'm saying 75 because if you were doing it in the 80s, it would at least be appropriate. Okay. That's true 1975 and they hit they missed the mark and I know she wanted to do something that really reminiscent of her being like the first time

Marriage first time wedding. This is what it should have looked like But when you're a mature woman and you've got children, relationship, been to jail, out of jail, you know, you've written books, some soul, some didn't sell. You've, you've got so much going on in your life. Yeah. You have to really embody that moment and come to the person that you want to see at the end of, you know, that aisle.

But there, here's a thing though. Now, I really think, yeah, but again, it's your day. And if you want to have a dress that, like, I remember my mom when she was getting married, I was like, did her wedding photos and I'm like, can't believe it. She had a beautiful dress. But I was like, why are you wearing, it was off the shoulder and like a sheath, there was 1960 and I'm like, why are you wearing a short dress? And she said, well, I was 24 and I felt, a long dress was for a team bride.

That's the way she felt in 1960. But what, but what, what? Well, she was already kind of old to be wearing. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, but what I didn't understand is I thought Theresa had better taste. I, I, I, I, so I met them and Louis goes right away. You're a comedian. Come on. What did you think? Here at the wedding I said I kind of did a similar thing for my wedding not as big

But I for you I Did a little crap like you know the little what it called tierra. Yeah. Yeah, and I always liked like I always did like a back bump it at the time Yeah, so I had them do like almost like a little shignon at the top all my own hair But it was like kind of like twist. Yes, it was like twisted. Yeah, so I had a mini version of that So what I said to her is like what I think happened is I think you said I want some height and a crown. And that was probably the only instruction you gave.

And by the time it was, it was time to go out because I know she even started a little bit late being that it was. And I think, no, but I think at that time, you can't cheat. Her boat has a mirror. Hello, look at yourself. But anyway, I said, I think that you couldn't change it was probably heavy and and and she's like i thought that she's like totally but you like her dress i thought the dress looked for pretty was strapless right it was a

strapless and she could do that she's got she warned better dresses the reunion i did think her girls and their dresses were stunning in their bodies and like i just thought all of her daughters looked amazing yeah i, I grew up. Like the rose and it was like fitted. It was a different. Yeah. But anyway, let's get to, let's get to, let's move on. Anna Nicole Smith was your very, very good friend. May 16th her show on Netflix drops a documentary about Anna Nicole Smith really quickly for people that might be listening to me like remind me. She was had an absolutely perfect face, stunning face, and she captured everybody when she

was really the guest model. And she was more voluptuous than what we had seen at that time. Big boobs, a little curvy. But Playboy too. Play everyone. Was she in Playboy before played boy before she played boy before she was a playboy before gas for gas yeah before she was on playboy cover the magazine all she almost has the record more than any of the other

other pan Anderson yeah i think she's second to and and then she really captured everybody's hearts and interests. When in the early days of reality TV, she had a reality show called Anna Nicole, it had this iconic opening.

Anna, Anna, Anna, Anna, Anna Nicole. And it was like drawing. And it was drawing, it was like a little cartoon. And it was kind of her life after the modeling. So through the six seasons or whatever that was, we see her, you know, with her lawyer, Howard and her son, Daniel, drama, to reality TV before the Kardashians,

for the house, so I can play anybody. Southern, so she had like real funnyness about her. And she was kind of goofy and she definitely enjoyed cocktails and pills. And so sometimes she'd be a little more loopy than others. But it was like comedy. I mean, everybody loved it. Parity, you know, I think Mad TV did a parody of it. Like, so, I mean, I just saw it a party was the interior designer guy.

That was on that show. Bobby trendy. Yes, I saw Bobby trendy and he's a real turn now. Yeah, I saw that. He was telling me. Robert trend. So tell us how you guys met her because you're a big part of this. You wrote a book.

You have a screenplay for a scripted movie coming out, but you are also featured in this doc. So tell us what you can tell us to make us even enjoy this documentary more. Well, first of all, I think that Ursula McFarland, when we found out that Ursula McFarland was the director, producer behind this, and Ursula McFarland was famous for the Harvey Weinstein documentary. You were listening to juicy scoopers that don't know that. And I knew what type of cinematic,

just masterpiece she puts together. And I knew that if anyone could really delve deep into the crevices of Annen Nicole's life, it was Ersemic Farley. So we met with her a few times on Zoom several times, then we sat down with her in San Diego for brunch, and then we just really, and then had several meetings and fleshed everything out and I really felt she could really tell the untold story of Anna Nicole that nobody really knows.

The movie is called Anna Nicole Smith you don't know me and as her best friends Paul and I it was great that we were able to tell some things that people don't really know that about Anna. So I mean, what did you think of when she got pregnant? Did you know that it was Dan? What was the guy's name then? Larry Birkhead. Did you know it was Larry Birkhead, the photographer that she briefly dated?

Did you know that he was the father? Well, Annie used to call Larry, Larry Birkbuck. Oh. She could not stand him at all and and anybody that personally knew Anna like Paul and I can tell you that the last person Anna would ever want to have raised her child was Larry Burke had now did she talk about him like that while they were some time screwy or only after did she call him Burke always do the whole time she even when she was fucking if she called him Burke fuck she wasn't fucking well how'd you get pregnant with it well you got to see our movie now don't you

okay so when I first met Anna I was so taken back by her beauty and genuine sincerity. I think when we connected on a different level as humans, not as a designer and you know a star or a television personality or anything like that, I think we were able to have so many intimate beautiful moments with each other that a lot of people don't normally even have with their spouse. Yeah. And knowing all of that and I would see people come in in and out of her life and I was always a constant and he did a whole, you know, thing where they would start highlighting me all the places I am where like oh, he was there too. Oh, he was there too. Oh, he was there too. Oh, he was there too?

Oh, we missed him there too. Yeah. So I was there the whole time, but he was about her. And I feel like when she told us that she was pregnant, she knew I wanted to have a baby. And she wanted to give me a baby.

But then she goes, but you're not blonde. Cause she had very specific, you know, and I'm like, well, you know what? I don't know if I want to have a baby with my friend cause I don't come from that. So you thought about having a baby together. But then I don't come from that arena.

I want to be married. I want to be with my loved one. I want to, you know what I mean? Yeah. As unconventional as my relationship was always going to be. And then when Patrick was in our life, obviously, well, first of all, I have to say thank you, Anne Nicole, because you approved of me because she never liked me. I wouldn't be sitting in this chair today. Yeah.

Well, because I have to introduce him to all my friends before. Well, then your blonde and blue eyed, did she want to have your baby? She asked me to put my name on the birth certificate of Danny Lynn in the Bahamas. And I thought I was putting my name on the birth birth certificate and then Howard Stern went on to Larry King Live and said, I'm the father. My name's on the birth certificate.

And I was blown away, did not know that. Because the plan was with Anna that I was going to put my name on it. And we always knew your blue eye. No one will be. We always knew that Larry was the sperm donor. Correct. That's an anties to call him Larry Burke Fox.

But we never, but she did not want him to co-parent with him to raise the child. It was Danny Lynn is and a Nicole's Nicole's baby, not anybody else's. So it's not one of those relationships where you have two parents dating couples, an accident, one wanted to have a baby, the other one didn't, one got locked up, the other one ones raising it. No, this was always intended for Anna Nicole. She wanted to have a little baby. She loved Daniel so much. She could not her son. And she wanted to expand her family. And she did such an amazing job with Daniel. I was always I mean, I used to always tell her, I'm like, he's gonna end up being a rocket scientist. What are you doing?

How are you managing this? You know? Yeah, he was featured on the show. Were you guys featured on the show? We were. Yeah. Well, we were with her the whole time. I was with her the whole.

I can't really, I don't really, I don't really. Yeah, I remember that. I remember that when they went to the boutique in Beverly Hills, they got all the couture gowns and they went, they were mud-wrestling in the gowns. Those were Paul's gowns. They filmed at the boutique. Beverly Hills. They got all the couture gowns and they went, they were mud-restling in the gowns. Those were Paul's gowns. They filmed at the boutique. That was in the very first season.

I mean, I just kind of remember just seeing the house and that Bobby Trini with the canopy bed that were just not my taste. Tacky. Yeah. And then of course, we got, okay, so then what also happened the biggest part is that she married. What is the rich guys?

J Howard, Marcia, she married Jay, Howard Marshall who she met originally many years ago when she was in supper and they get married and he's you know very frail very very old How was he like already 90 when she married him? 89. 89. And so she's married. That's the thing. But they were so in love. But I'm going to tell you, Anna sat with me on the bed

in the Bahamas, and she said to me, howard is the only one I ever loved. He, and I, and I, we had the conversation about it. And I said, Anna, but you know, everyone always says that, you know, he was, oh, there's it in his 80s. And she said, he's the only one that truly unconditionally loved me and understood me. Yeah.

Well, I think that there can be that like I think that out of the men in her life, yes, clearly that is the first thing that she knew. Love her. She loved him. Was it sexual, you know, or a certain kind of sexual because I think I think maybe it wasn't at all, but still it doesn't mean that there wasn't like a love there and a an unconventional marriage, but a marriage. Well, I can tell you, yeah, I had bone sex with Anne Nicole, so I'm sure it was sexual

somehow. I think if not physical, there was definitely that. I think I think what you're just interpreting. No, because she called me and she called him. She was talking to him on the phone and we're driving in LA. And I tell him, let me say it. I picked up the phone. She's moaning. She's groaning.

There's a whole stuff going on. At first, I thought, and are you okay? Like, do I have to like come up to the house right now like what's going on? And she goes no Baby and all the stuff I go hold on one second. I go babe. It's for you So I passed me the phone. I get out of the phone. I'm like I didn't know it was down at the time. I get on my hello Baby I have my hand in my pussy. Stop it! I can't.

You can say that. I can or can. You can. Oh, okay. I have my hand in my pussy and I need you to get me off. Shut up. So then you just talked dirty? I did.

I said, okay. All the way to the airport, can I let you have a snack? I'm gonna send it. Talking dirty to her. Like, yeah, big big time and then she I guess it's a three-star match. Yeah, I was in the carto She had an orgasm. She was excited like we yeah, this was it this was it Now were you worried about the you know then she was a spokesperson for trim spot

Yes, which is no longer available right? I don't we were on the trim spot bus across country. Yes. Which is no longer available. Right. Um, I don't we were on the trim spot bus across country. Yes. Oh, and so but she got all skinny again. Right. Yeah. And, you know, people. It was the olympic of the time. Yeah. So people also wonder, you know, obviously did that contribute to possibly her death or not. I don't want to say allegedly, I don't know these were rumors because it was like, you know, where is that, that drug that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that clarify that because she went to the Bahamas specifically research the country to hide and get away from Larry That's she went there specifically because he is a monster and she wanted him away from her daughter She she knew that if you have a child in the Bahamas the mother is the one that runs and regulate. And puts the name of the father, the birth certificate. And whatever name you put on the father's, on the birth certificate becomes the father. But there's nothing else.

So when she went to the Bahamas to get away, I'm sorry, I'm being a little more sensitive, maybe the way I said it. When she went there, we were the last people she saw before she went on the private plane to go. So she's there, we went there, we saw her. Then Daniel was in LA. When the baby was born, we were going to be in the delivery room to have the baby because we're the uncles. Yeah. And when we were going to go, we had a car accident that morning.

So we couldn't fly out. So we have to go the next day. By then, we hear that Daniel has passed away. And just to let people know. So she had the baby. He came. So met his sister. And you know when you have a baby there's that share there and

He fell asleep in the chair and she's sleeping and the babies, you know in the cradle or whatever and she wakes up and He is not waking up for son and And he he mixed something he mixed pills. Well, he never liked he didn't like to fly That was one of the reasons why he had a hard time trying to go there. So he took some anxiety, something and had pills. And, and one of the reasons why we never flew to Nebraska, we took the bus is because Daniel didn't like to fly. So we drove, I mean, we didn't drive it, the driver, but we went on a big bus to go cross country to Nebraska to Camp Kindle because she wanted

to make sure that Daniel was with us. And what was in Camp Kindle? That was her trims, spa parents or something. No, it was in the kids camp that were, and a lot of people don't know how terrible it was. We went to a kids camp with kids that were infected and affected with AIDS and AIDS. HIV. We volunteered there for a while. And she actually donated all of it to make sure that the camp was going to happen.

There were over 200 kids there with nurses, AIDS. It was beautiful. And that was season two of the Anandacol Show called Anagos to Camp. Oh, okay. And we're on that. So when he flew there, that was already anxiety and stuff like that. So whatever he took, did't really settle with his system. And then how shortly after the tragedy of that,

then she passed six months. Oh, six months. Some reason I thought it was like, I thought it was like six days later. No, six, the baby was born September 7th. No, the baby is born. Yeah. Daniel passes away.

Within days. We have Daniel's funeral first in October. And then Anna passes away. Yeah. Daniel passes away. Within days. We have Daniel's funeral first. In October. And then Anna passes away. Yeah. But a few months later though. February, February within. All within.

Okay. For some reason, in my brain, I remembered it being like literally like five days apart. Oh yeah, yeah. Okay. So, when did, so before she gave birth is when she had to fight how her what's the man she was married to. Howard J. Marshall. She had to fight. So how are J. Marshall passes.

Yes. And she is the wife. Right. So was there nothing in his will left for his heirs? Was it no to go to her? No, no. See, he was estranged from his family as well. Right.

Okay. So the kid didn't want him around. Right. Jay Howard Marshall. That's why he was looking elsewhere. So when he got married, he was free to do whatever he wanted. So she ended up getting everything. So what they did is they didn't take it.

But the will, so what that's what I'm saying, but the will, because most people, if they get married later in life to another person, they make sure that, you know, like if you get married at 25, whatever, I die, you get everything, you die, I'm good. Then, you know,

but most people with their second spouse will say, okay, I wanna make sure my second spouse is protected, she's not going to leave this home, that kind of thing. But it also, my kids from this first marriage get something. But because he was estranged from them, I mean, when you're 89 years old, you're not thinking about it in a legal aspect because hand shake is enough for you to be able, and your word means something. So he, it's not an email so he passes and And she thinks she's gonna have the funeral and she's going in here at what she's meant to inherit Yeah, right and then the 65-year-old son or whatever goes after her and it's this full court trial

Right, and that's where Howard Stern the attorney not the radio personality the attorney that's been her Was he always turned on David? No, no, no, no, he used to work at a law firm that she was retaining. Okay. But because she needed so much more attention and Howard loved Anna, he took it upon himself to be able to do all the other legal stuff and then had to... So she became his only client. Separate, yes, separate from the firm in order for him to be able to.

And just take care of it. She had an opportunity. I don't know your audience probably doesn't know this. She had an opportunity when she went to the Supreme Court before she died and when she was first friends wearing the black hat and she called us and she said they're offering me $69 million. Yeah, what? No, how much was it? 144 million. No, wasn't. No, $69 million because state. No wasn't no 69 million dollars because

No, no, I'm telling you she what she told us you remember she told us they're offering her what? Yeah, they're they're offering us they're offering me 69 million dollars and Howard is saying no you have to get a hundred and forty million or more Okay, and sounds crazy. Paul told her, you did tell her. We both said, take the money. If it's $69 million, are you kidding? You can, and you said, you can buy an island with that.

I, I wrote it down because I couldn't believe I said, how many zeros is in it? Right. Just like this. I remember this. Because I know how I talk. Right. And she goes, you know, I don't know.

I said, if we don't know how many zeros go inside this, it's something that you should be grateful for at this point because you're gonna be spending how many more years to be able to fight something that's never gonna come. You're gonna take this money and you're gonna double it and triple it. You're gonna triple it.

Correct. Anyway, but Howard said, no, you have to take it. At least it was about 144 million minimum. If they don't offer you that because they're billionaires. We're walking. And they did. And I real to this day, I believe the reason

that Howard refused her to take that money is because then he wouldn't have been representing her anymore and he probably wouldn't have been in her life. That's my belief. So what did it finally settle at? It never did. Zero. She got anything. anything no because she never

I'd neither Danny Lynn nothing. No. He died the sun died. Yes, then the mother continue. Yeah, which mother oh The sister continue His other and she died. Yeah, okay, and so she ended up with nothing right So Anna Nicole never got any money from that one penny and Daily days in court did she spend it seems like that went on and on and on it was like two weeks I think and So but then didn't she marry? No, she never married how it's turned she just how it's turned said I'm the father Well, you're talking about legal ceremony about you're talking about the Bahamas.

Yes, we had a wedding in the Bahamas, which we did. It was on the cover of People magazine. Correct. I made her a wedding dress then too. He made all her dress and I did all the photos. It was like a sound of music scenario because I end up at the Bahamas.

She goes, I have a big surprise for you. I have to come tomorrow. I'm like, and I've got clients. I've got to do things. No, no, you have to come. Are you have to be here? Yes. I can't do this without you. I'm like, oh my god. Okay. So let's go. So. And how did you feel about her married, Howard Stern? Well, you know what? Everyone's relationship is different. And if they wanted to be together in that capacity, then I was like, great. Then at least Danny Lynn, the baby, do you know what I mean?

We had all these other considerations to me. So it was fine. And do you think that they were sexual, heard how it's turned? They were. And it was very sexual. She was very sexual. Yes.

Okay. They were having sex all the time. Oh, okay. Because she was, he gave her comfort. Yeah. And so I don't fault him for that. No. But no, she not.

She was in love with that. I didn't think they were. I thought it was like just a weird, ruse or cover up to get rid of Larry Burkhead. I didn't understand that the reality was. Larry was only in an amateur. They didn't love each other. Larry was only in Anna's life for a one and a half minutes.

Right. And I'm telling you that exactly. So one and a half minutes. Right. And I'm telling you that exactly one and a half minutes. So, they get married. I've known Anna now for almost over 20, 20 some years, 25 years. So, you have to think if Larry was only there for a one and a half minutes, what do you know about that individual? What do you think, how many restaurants do you think they went to? How many places did they go to the movies? What's a date? So when you go get food for us, that's a date? Yeah. Not so much. So they get married

to go to the wedding. And how, how long after that? You mean on the wedding on the boat? No. They get married to go to the wedding. And how long after that? You mean on the wedding on the boat? They get married, yes. After they get married, how shortly after that, does she pass them? They got married at the end of October, no, beginning of October. We buried Daniel at the beginning of October.

We had the wedding at the end of October and then she passes February A. So just a couple months. And then it's after that, that then Larry Burkhead and Howard Stern start fighting over the custody of Danny Lynn. Danny Lynn. We named Danny Lynn.

We named Danny Lynn. So as far as- Do you think, okay, I always thought it was a little odd. Yeah. That you had one child named Daniel, and then a girl named Danny Lynn. Like I think that's kind of, I always thought that was very close in the name. That's why it's that one. That's why we did it.

She wanted that. Her, her, her, the baby's name was supposed to be Hannibal Rose. Yes. Uh-huh. I don't think anybody even knows that baby. Should we do all these paintings of her belly and Hannibal Rose on it. So when the baby was gonna be Hannibal Rose with all the paintings that we took from LA

and she was painting this in SLA. We took it to the Bahamas and we decorated an entire room for Hannibal's arrival. Then when the baby, when Daniel died, she couldn't call her Hannibal Rose. Oh, so she changed the name. Yes. So we were.

So we were. So we were. So we were all sitting in the bedroom together and she was in bed and she was crying in just a basket case because she couldn't let go of Daniel and she's like, I don't know how I can even, and she was saying, I don't know how I can let Daniel go. I, and this, this point the baby was called Hannah Bell. She goes, I don't even, I'm not going to use that name. I can't use that name. She could have called her like, yeah, she was, I want to use a name with Daniel's name. So we started all calling me, Paul, Dr. Chris, we're all in the room and we were all calling out names. The, I said, why don't we name her Daniella? Because I had a girlfriend in high school, believe it or not, when I was straight, named Daniella. And Lynn was

Bikki Lynn and his middle name and our daughter's middle name too was Lynn. And then I said, hope, hope for the future. Let's call her Daniella Lynn. Hope. And Anna looks and she says, I like that. And then what did she say? Let's call her Danny Lynn, Danny Lynn, hope Marshall Stern. That's what she said. That's how the babies name. Because I mean, it was a couple of hours. We wrote things down and obviously you know, we were we were just hanging out. It's very intimate. And we're trying to comfort her. We're trying to come up with, of course, we're all cradling the baby. The nannies are, you know, coming in and out of the room,

the baby's crying, all the stuff is happening. So the whole scene. And when we came up with the name, there's this something miraculous that happened. Yeah. Her face lit up, the energy changed a little bit. She called for the baby immediately

for the nurses for the nannies to bring the baby back into the room. She was starting to sing to the baby at two o'clock in the morning. We used to take the baby out on the tennis court and went around and you know with all the pop rocks and the other side of the scary taking pictures. And the Bahamas and the Bahamas. And so, um, okay, so she felt like she could start connecting to the baby in that way. So You were back in LA when you got the horrible news. Yes yeah, and

we We got the call and Moe well Before we were supposed to be going to Miami. Oh for the boat. Yeah, I forgot because we were because we had talked to her the night before going to Miami. Oh, for the boat. Yeah, I forgot about that. Because we were, because we had talked to her the night before.

So we're going to Miami to go pick up the boat. She goes, oh, you guys gotta come. So just meet me in Miami. We're gonna take the boat. We're gonna go back to the Bahamas. And then you can fly back out. Yeah. It'll be a great weekend.

That's how crazy it was, Nana. She would always just spur the moment, say, oh, I need, and we would drop everything and go. But, of course she would, but she knew to count on her friend. Yeah, I mean, it's like Most of our friends are just as crazy when they call you and we call them the same way. We're like, what are you doing? Let's go, but it just seems like a whole hair brain scheme idea that you would never even think about yeah So we were supposed to go to Miami, so she causes and she goes I fell in the bathtub my head hurt Yes, so I don't know if we're gonna go tomorrow

I'm I may just wait a day and just relax and you know and you forgot she had a vitamin B Shot in her butt that got infected and she had pneumonia Oh, and so Dr. Chris had called us member and told us she was giving her an ice bath Because she had to bring her fever down because she had like 104 fever or something. And I told her, I said, go to the hospital. We're wrong with you. No, they're going to know me. I'm like, yeah, I don't want to do that because everyone's going to ask us,

cheers and they're all going to go, but not like, and the last and I know that to be true each time something did happen. But do you remember the last word she ever said to us on the phone was? that's why I put it in the front of our our book portrait of an icon. The last word she ever said to us on the phone was because we said, okay, we're gonna come. I love y'all kiss kiss. Those are the last word she ever said to me. So we put it in our book. And then you got the word that what happened she just the next morning a reporter called me well There was so many trucks reporting trucks in front of our yeah boutique in at rodeo And I'm like well, this is weird. They got there before me. I'm like, I don't know what's going on

Yeah, these people I walk into the store. There's swarm of popper I don't want to talk popper out But they're all these people in front of the boutique like going crazy Yep, the employees in the back. They've closed the store the door because they're afraid of what's going on And then reporter calls me because we had done several interviews after Daniel died We were on ET and inside and all of those so reporter calls me and he goes, oh my god Do you have any of the information about Anna Nicole like that comment? Do you have a information about Anna Nicole? Like that comment. Do you have a comment about Anna Nicole?

I'm like, what do you mean? She just passed out at the, basically told the reporter, said that she just passed out at the hard rock hotel. And at that point, the media did not know she had died. I called Mo, immediately, the bodyguard, Big Mo. And I'm like, Mo, Mo, and he answers the phone in tears. And I'm like, Mo, what's going on?

What's going on? Someone just said, Anna passed out. Is she okay? He goes, no, baby girl's gone. She's gone. She's just, they just declared her gone. And I just started bawling. And I'm like, Mo, what?

What do you got? You got to get here. You got to get here. Patrick, you got to get here. I love you, boys. You got to get here. You got to get here. Patrick, you got to get here. I love you boys. You got to get here. I'm like, what do you mean she's gone? He goes and is dead. Honestly, in the meantime, I broke down. There were people rushing in the store. Right.

And then I called him and that's when they were running in trying to take things, right? They tried to steal her dress off the mannequin. They were running out of the boat. Teac with the boat. But when you arrived to your store at that time, you see all the reporters, you don't know because you two aren't together.

No, I was in my office. And so how do you find the other guy out? I called them immediately and told them. Because he was at the office, which is around a corner from the boutique. And I just broke down and next thing you know, he dropped the phone. He's telling him he dropped the phone.

We rushed to the L.A.X. Got on the first flight because when we went to Miami we went together the whole area was barricaded blocked off you can't get in you can't get out everybody was behind these walls and it was a because it was a Reservation an Indian reservation, they had different kind of police. The minute they knew it was us too. And every Indian was in every truck. So they allowed us to be able to drive because they checked with the front, our names were

there. We're the only ones. And then Dr. Chris came down, the elevator and met us and took us upstairs to the hotel room and we were in the same hotel room that she passed the way in. So when we when I went upstairs I saw Howard I saw Mo yeah I left him there and I took another private plane and went to the Bahamas immediately because we got a call saying that the house was being- Because they were looting- Looting.

And ransacking the house. So I went to the Bahamas, like within minutes, because on a private, it was just really quick. I get to the Bahamas, the government meets me at the airport with security and police. I go to the house because they know me, because we had security all the whole time when we were in the Bahamas and I try to take the house back over.

You did, they came over. You secured it. Yeah, but they were looting and breaking up again. But they had taken so much U-Haul's were being driven away. Just random people are what are you talking about? The developers that she was in conflict with over the house.

Because everybody was worried that I'm not going to get paid or what's going to happen. Correct. The only thing I remember is walking into the baby's room. And just I couldn't even put my head around seeing the devastation of what the house looked like. I had to go then do a police report. There was just so much involved.

And then he came on a private plane with Howard to Bahamas. You know, hours later, because I'm like, you guys can't stay there. You guys cannot stay here. But I was in her eerily, we're in her hotel room in the bed that she was, she had passed away and it was just this weird, like you can't understand the... So, so then after this, you know, she's put to rest. Yes. That is when then there's the custody dispute. Yes.

Or they biological dad dispute. Correct. Between Howard Stern and Larry Burkett. Larry Burkett. Larry Burkett. And how did that get resolved? They just finally did a DNA test. He finally got a court order to get a DNA and then prove that he was in fact the biological father

and What did he Live off of to raise her was did Anna have much money at that point when she passed no No, she did not I think I think under water and scooty-go city. They said it was yeah, I. I think her house was under water and scooty of city. It was the cat. Yeah. I think, I think. And let me tell you why, because Anna, I love her, but if you gave her a thousand dollars, she would spend ten thousand dollars.

She never had the concept of money or how to spend it. She was Anna, of course. She had a great fabulous statue of them. And she had no concept of spending and what she was spending. But she wanted it, she got it. I think, I think Larry's opportunities arise when he realized that he could sell photographs, which is what he used to do. Unfortunately, before Ann and Nicole,

nobody really bought his photographs to make money. So he had to sleep on people's couches. Therefore, having access to what people wanted, which were photographs of the baby, right, became a lucrative opportunity. They don't pay you for interviews they say and they pay you for pictures. Right. And he took a lot of pictures, held it up and that money for it. And then realized he couldn't stay in LA, went to Kentucky. Correct. Where he could actually be able to afford something to survive.

And he was also a big fish and a little pond in Kentucky. That's why he went there. Yeah, I always remember they'd go to the Kentucky Derby and everything. Right. And she's really pretty. Now she's how old is she? You know, like 15, 16. 16 and I saw something, you know, they would do like a follow up once in a while and right seeing her stuff. Do you have any contact with her? We don't know. He doesn't allow anybody that was in Anna's life and in her inner circle. I can tell you one thing. We will after she turns 18. She'll find us because she doesn't know her mother. Right. Larry does not know her mother. True. If

Anacoll was here today, Larry would have never seen Anacoll's baby. That is true. So if you You think that Larry wants to be able to share what her mother was like? He doesn't know. He was only in her life for a minute and a half and a sperm donor. So when you have valued relationships that you build throughout entire span of life and you have friendships that you build throughout entire span of life. And you have friendships that you build. Correct. Business relationships that you procure. Don't you think that those people know the individual? Wouldn't you want to keep them close so that you can share and create a safe space for a baby to recognize how loved that person was.

How impactful that they were in so many different instances. We've celebrated birthdays, we've celebrated holidays, we've celebrated Mother's Day and Father's Day's Time more jainiously together. Yeah So he's never done any of those just as an example Thanksgiving Like there's so many celebrations that we've had. Yeah, absolutely for every day If we didn't speak to each other at least every other day There was something wrong. Remember we had a well back then, so we used to her screen name, which nobody knows unless it's in our book, but it was Hot Smoochee Live.

And mine was Petrie, KZ1, because I had been back and forth from Arizona. And so we would always talk on instant messenger. Yeah. See, he doesn't know what my conversations were. Right. With Anna, but I can tell you one thing. I know every single whisper and syllabus that he always uttered to my best friend. And I will

tell you that Larry should be very scared of the conversations between us and Anna. My friend Larry, my friend and I, we shared just like every good friend does. Right. Well, I'm very excited for people to watch the documentary. And also, I wanna talk about your new podcast that you guys are doing. It's a fashion podcast. Oh my God. So, and it's really fun in you doing on YouTube too, and you do it with your gowns around you.

Oh my God, yes. And it's called Undressed with Paul and Patrick. And obviously, anywhere you guys, you know, get podcasts or if you wanna watch it, you can subscribe on YouTube and all of that. And anything else you wanna tell people to follow you. Tell them now. I'm loving doing the podcast.

Yeah, I'm so surprised. I know. I never thought I'd love doing it as much as, I like it better than the show. Then doing your reality show. Then doing the TV show because you do? Yeah, because I get to sit and relax in the show. They make me stooow.

They make me dress. They make you like there's so many things that they make me dance like a freaking monkey. Yeah. It's where to go. On this one, at least I get to settle. I love that. I love the show and work and work and people if they are in Beverly Hills or coming to LA sure and they want to come to your store and oh my god

so many people and see and baby get a dress go to 941 Ford Dayton way Beverly Hills and are all the dresses like custom all custom so there's nothing that you can get off but it's custom and put on the rack you can come in and buy yeah and is there any but are there any that you could like borrow or only if you're celebrity who's asking me we have a size zero for you I know how you have someone else in war that would fit me. We have a size zero for you. I got a zero. Zero, zero.

I'm not a zero, but... They can follow me on Patrick Simpson Instagram, Paul, Paula, two Instagram. Snow White, Snow White, 90210. You're welcome to come any time. Yes. Yes. So thank you so much, you guys.

And Netflix that drops May 16th, and in a cold Smith, you don pick a dress. So thank you so much you guys and Netflix that drops May 16th and Nicole Smith You don't know me. Well, they're podcasting all them and gown and out in Beverly Hills Beverly Hills is available on prime video. I want to even tell you some of the amazing guests What prime video Roku to be And now you're going now to film another season. Yeah, we're doing a hybrid break off season called Gowning Out in Beverly Hills. Dubai bitches.

Oh. And now we're doing a whole season of just Dubai. And you're, okay, and you're going off to go do that. Okay, that is great. You see what I mean? That's what I'm talking about. See, the podcast, I sit down.

Yeah. The other one I got to fly across the freaking continent. You're flying ember. It's bitch. You should be happy. I've never I am not then to Dubai. It's a man. I will take you. You want to go? Yeah. I want to go. I want to go. I want to go. I mean, I would like to get another Rolls Royce for you. All right. I'd like to go. I mean, my friends, well, my, well, Allie, Allie Shapiro, Jill Zerrin's daughter, she went recently with the Atlantis opening. Oh, yeah.

And watching her stuff, I was like, I mean, I thought I got more excited for Dubai watching her little TikToks. Then, then watching the entire season of Real Housewives of Dubai. Yeah, well I'll tell you something. That is because she showed it the beauty of art and there is the Dubai that you and I will see. And then there's the real Dubai,

which you don't wanna go through. Right, because it's the desert. It's exactly what you think, but the Russian oligarch have really created a little monaco. Like it looks like monaco. Dubai is one of the most amazing cities. Yeah, they have every other world, it's amazing. And it's really very friendly.

Yeah. Well, they told us that we're gonna be shooting a magazine cover, so we're gonna be the first gay couple on the magazine in Dubai. Yeah, that's great, that's really great. Yeah, that's awesome. I can't get married because you know, it's still my wedding, but I have a magazine. Thank you, Lance. Just milk out this engagement for another five years. Well, I figure he can't afford another ring right now anyway. Have they started?

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