Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Blake Lively’s Grooming, Mel Robbins' Let Me Controversy with Brandy and Julie

Episode Date: February 25, 2025

Julie Goldman and Brandy Howard are here! White Chicks 2 is happening. Will the Wayans Brothers call me? Will Pamela Anderson ever wear mascara again? Blake Lively isn’t pleased with her cartoon drawing on the Hollywood Reporter and did she groom her young castmate into being loyal to her? Mel Robbins who wrote the best seller “The Let Them Theory” has not been truthful about her origin story. Did she plagiarize? We get into the Gabby Petito documentary and who besides Brian was at fault. Meghan Markle will only be making jam for now. The DA does not support a retrial for the Menendez brothers. So juicy so good. • Start your initial free online visit today at https://forhers.com/JUICYSCOOP  Hers Weight Loss is not available everywhere. Compounded products are not FDA-approved or verified for safety, effectiveness, or quality. Prescription required. Restrictions apply. Wegovy® and Ozempic® are not compounded. Actual price depends on product and plan purchased. • Get 15% off, plus free shipping on your first set of sheets at https://BollAndBranch.com/juicyscoop Exclusions apply. See site for details. • Go to https://Hungryroot.com/juicyscoop, and use code juicyscoop to get 40% off your first box and a free item of your choice for life.  Stand Up Tickets and info: https://heathermcdonald.net/ Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald on iTunes, the podcast app, and get extra juice on Patreon: https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPodApple  https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop  Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: https://juicyscoopshop.com  Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: https://www/instagram.com/heathermcdonald  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Brandy Howard, Julie Goldman, wearing beautiful shades of khaki green. Welcome back to Juicy Scoop. We are getting ready for a fun weekend. Oh yeah. My God, it's around the corner. I've been trying on all my like pastels. Like what, what to wear in the desert.

Oh, okay. Cause we are doing Agua Caliente, stand up live Juicy Scoop. We just went through the topics and guess what? We're saving some for the live show. Sorry. Sorry people, too juicy for the regular show. And it's Agua Caliente.

And I think it's sold out, but just go check because they saved some tickets and then released some tickets, but it's basically whatever. We are gonna have fun. And I'm putting together different thoughts of outfits too. And it will be Palm Springs, bright and sunny, colorful, fun.

Well, how about you, Julie? How about I? I am too. You know, I've never worn anything but black doing standup, but you know what? We usually like to have you stand out, you know? But maybe, but maybe Julie, you could just do a pop of something.

Well, I do have a linen pink. I do. Or maybe I like it. Something like that. Maybe I'll do my Palm Springs gentleman's attire. OK, like a button down, like something such as. But I don't want to take away. We have never been to Aqua Caliente. No. Are we about to like do some like penny slots after?

Oh yeah, it's gonna be so, we're gonna do a whole fun thing. A whole fun thing, cause this is Palm Springs. And what if you went with like a white leisure suit, like 16 candles, wait, what's the dot 16 candles? Pretty in pink, James Spader. I wish I had that. I was always obsessed that he was like 16 and dressed like Miami Vice.

Well, yeah, he was already. Wearing a full suit. Yeah, yeah. Like a loose suit. That's what rich kids did in the 80s, is they dressed like full blown adult men at school. You know what, if I had a double-breasted white suit, I would wear it.

I just don't have it. No, you don't. But I wish I did. Oh my God. I have white pants though. Well, I found don't. But I wish I did. Oh my god. I have white pants though. Well, I found so many things because I moved to a new house and I got to organize my closet and you guys came over and you contributed to my closet.

Oh yeah, baby. Oh, those look good. They look good. My first and only pair of Gucci tennis shoes, which are so cute and so comfortable. It was a little awkward giving you your housewarming in front of Peter, and it was just shoes for you. Yeah. And then Julie handed Peter a case of water. And we said, congratulations on your new home, Peter.

Yeah, because when they were coming, I was like, you know, people were like, can I bring anything? I'm like, actually, we are completely out of water. We've been moving for two days. I'm ugly, there's crap everywhere. And I said on my Patreon, I go, I just am not an organizer. And I know there's people that just live for it.

Luckily, I had a friend help me come into the closet. But I was like, I wish I could have a shot like an ozempic shot, but four, instead of curbing your appetite, it like motivated you to like organize or whatever. And wrote me they're like Heather that's Adderall Well that I've never taken I don't think I want to start it right well we can get that for you I do have a prescription That's right, but you know I mean it can't help you. It can't help.

You will get laser focused. Well, it's gotta be a process, but I'm glad you guys could come over and see my new digs. Beautiful, absolutely gorgeous. Between the house in the desert and the new house here in LA, I don't know that we can remain friends much longer. I hope it doesn't get weird.

I mean. I hope it doesn't get weird because I want you to still be my friend. The luxury was remarkable. And then we went around the neighborhood. We went into some open houses. Oh yes, we're gonna try to get you in there too. Yeah, we just- It's all a goal.

We're all gonna manifest. We took the paperwork. Oh, that's my favorite. Like, no, how much are you asking for this? And we just went into it. We just leaned in. You just go and you're like, if only it had one more half bath.

I'm just like, you know what, I'm done. This two car garage. What about our golf cart? Yeah, I just, is there more space? And just sit with the garage. This wasn't there. Yeah, it just wasn't there, you know? So we really had to keep looking.

Well, it was all good, all fun. Do you think, are you going to be wearing more of your shit now that the closet is the size of basically my single family home that I currently live in? I am really going to try to not buy stuff for a while. I also used to have a thing where I would get rid I'm not going to try to not buy stuff for a while. I also used to have a thing where I would get rid of dresses that I'd worn on, like in a photo or whatever in carpet.

And I'm like, no, now I think it's a flex to rewear things. And if it fits, I'm gonna rewear it. I'm gonna really try like to not buy stuff, but that probably won't last because, but yeah, I'm gonna try to really hold back because I really have everything. I have jeans that fit. I have plenty of shoes.

I have plenty of black t-shirts. Like I come on, Heather, get your fucking shit together. Yeah. Well, now that you'll see it. Yes, now I can see it. Yeah. Well, you guys, I got sent this so many times. Thank you, Juicy Scoopers.

Marlon Wayne says they plan to make White Chicks 2. I have been talking about this for a while. I have such great ideas of what the two FBI agents, Ruchon and Marlon, should do to infiltrate a white woman's world of 2025, what the crime could be, what the jokes could be. of 2025 with the crime could be, with the jokes could be. None of them have ever come on Juicy Scoop or answered my pleas for the last 10 years.

So now I am putting it out there to the people. I just wrote Keenan again today, who is the director of it and producer of it, saying, is this is true, I would like to be somehow contributing, consulting, just let me just come and give you my ideas. I don't, like, yes, would I like to have another part as the sales girl or someone else?

I would love it that the sales girl is still working there. Right. Maybe, cause that was my part, maybe she got married to someone rich in the Hamptons. He went, he's in prison for a Ponzi scheme and she's back working at the store. I can think of everything. I can think of everything.

I can think of where the other girls are. I can think of the crimes. I can think of how to put it in pop culture. I can come up with everything. Please, I want to work on this movie and hang out with you guys. Get to work, Juicy and hang out with you guys. Get to work, Juicy Scoopers.

Send the clip to them. Demand it, demand it. You're the only person who's been talking about white chicks in the last decade. If that's the only reason this is happening. Thank you. I've been putting it out there, I'm putting it out there that I have the ideas

and everything of how funny this could be. Why, I think five years ago when people would ask me, I think they and myself felt it's too volatile of a time with transgender and Americans that are transitioning and all that kind of stuff. All of it, but now I feel like, no, people are gonna go get why it was funny that it was making fun of the things that white women do

and we have never had a problem with it and therefore that is what the joke is about. It's about white women and the stuff that we do and find important and we love being made fun of. Come on. Love it. Now didn't you say that they, the reason they hadn't done it was because of the makeup?

I think that was a big part of it. I just remember they were saying like, literally they were getting two hours of sleep because they would have to finish out 1 a.m. and then their call time was 3.30 and they'd just be like, because of the makeup and all that. So I'm thinking there's hopefully some easier way

to do some of those things. Marlon Wayans, I love this movie that he recently did where he plays a million characters. Love, I tweeted him and he retweeted it. Like I thought it was so funny and he wears a ton of makeup in that. Yeah, I think there's probably, I mean, I have literally seen like TikTok people

put on like a weird mask and they're walking around and it looks like a real person. Like I think that if they can, I think that's why they, I think they have found out a way or figured out that part of it. And that is why they are agreeing to even consider it again. And so that's my guess. But like I said, I still have the same phone number guys, Rick Alvarez, also producer. I have the same phone number, you can call me.

Get the original band together, you need to be part of it. Yeah, and DM this bitch, you know she's on there. I know, I just wanna go over to Keenan's house. Do it. Have him, you know, I wanna take two things about Keenan that are very juicy. One, when I worked on his late night talk show, he was the first person I saw that took his salad lunch,

put the dressing in, put the lid on and shook it. It wasn't the Kardashians. It was Kenan in 1997. He started that. Also now people are going to really freak out about this one. He is the first person that said we didn't land on the moon. In 1997 I go what?

He goes look at it. Look at the way the flag was. And he brought up all the things that it was a studio. There's no way. And I was just like, never heard anyone talk about it not being possibly real. And I used to say that. I'd be like, I don't know that you land on the moon.

And he was like, what are you talking about? And now everyone, there's a movie made about it. I'm telling you, 1997, he sat in that writer's room and said, we did not land on the moon, that was in a studio. He never wanes. Call me. Okay. Call me.

Call her. I'm not, okay, so last night was a SAG Awards, and I have not seen this movie, Last Showgirl. I think I will love it. It's like about an old showgirl, it's Pamela Anderson. Like kind of it's her last show of like a big long running thing in Vegas And she's been on this this thing for the last year where she goes to fashion shows She goes to big red carpet events with not a speck of makeup on she doesn't fill in her brow

She doesn't put on a tinted moisturizer with sunscreen. She doesn't put on a chapstick and I don't know. I've had a couple of people send it to me and they're like, I think we're good. I think we're over this. Now listen, it's her prerogative. She's still great looking. It's saying something, but this is Juicy Scoop. You can disagree, but I would like to see some concealer.

Yeah, something. You're in a gown. I'm sorry Yeah, something. You're in a gown. I mean, you're in a gown. The men are wearing makeup. I guarantee you whatever man was there had makeup on. Yes. So it's fine when she's dressed down or she's wherever around,

but when you're in a gown, I mean, it just sort of calls for, she had her hair. Why are we doing her hair? I was just gonna say, if you do your hair. Why are you dyeing your hair if you can't put on a tinted blush? And why are you coloring it? I mean, curling it. Yeah, and coloring it. It's a do your hair. Yeah, why are you dyeing your hair if you can't put on a tinted blush? And why are you coloring it? I mean, curling it.

Yeah, and coloring it. It's a full hair style. Yeah, both. So you're not like completely, yeah. It's always this kind of things when people will say like, oh, you know, if God wanted you to have, you know, whatever, you would have had that nose, whatever. No, God made plastic surgeons.

And made like eyebrow pencils. And I'm sure there was a time when braces first started where people in those days were walking around and going, you heard Mildred, those weren't her original teeth. They used to be crooked when I knew her, you know? Same thing with dyeing your hair, same thing with back in a million years ago when they would like create lipstick

out of blood of whatever villagers. I don't know. Exactly. But it's okay, you know, I mean. I think it was a good idea because it, it put her sort of back on the mat. Like we were all like, oh, okay. And then she got this movie.

Now is it? Yeah, go ahead. But now, I mean, yeah, I'm like a little fatigued of it because listen, she is the victim of the over-tweezing, you know, playmate look. And you know, that sucks. She's got to fill it in. You know what playmate look. And you know, that sucks. She's got to fill it in. You know what I mean?

It sucks for her, it does. But she's got to fill that in now. Even just the bra would do so much. I also wonder if because this did such a thing, is it one of those things, just like when you're like, you know, one of those couples, couple goals, you know, da da da, like Will and Jada,

and they used to dress like, and then we find out though, they actually fuck around and actually might hate each other and they're probably both narcissists. It's like, but they probably at one point were like, well, we can't get divorced like 10 years ago because we have this. So I wonder, did she, now she's like,

well, yeah, would I like my friend to come over and, you know, put a little eyeliner on and maybe some mascara, but now I've done this, now I can't go back. Now I'm the poster child of like aging proudly and. Makeup, if makeup made you look younger, I'd be wearing 10 times more than I am now. And I'm wearing 10 times a lot of makeup. But I don't think she can age gracefully.

And yeah, it's not about looking younger. I don't know what it is. She's you know, she was making a statement about being a second-line product and being used and she had all, you know what I mean? She was Pamela Anderson and people just, but wait, what if we found an old photo of Julie and it was full glam? Like at like 26, really?

There's one. Have you ever had fake lashes put on? Yes. She played Mariah Carey on her sketch show and she looks good. She's got an hourglass fig I did drag drag you I have my there is a picture out there floating around of me in full drag As a girl, it's not as good as my character, but I'm in full drag and I did Mariah Carey was the whole thing that was like real Yeah, well we have to show that photo at the live show you have to find it

I like when you did it I mean is it ever anything that you want to know experience absolutely not the last time or a dress like for dress for real Is that my prom it was a nightmare? It was a little living hell and I hate where he make my face literally rejects makeup I put it on for two seconds and it like goes away I do have good skin probably cuz you don't wear makeup I do her makeup I did for like people's couch yeah under pump every time even the most recent time I probably for an audition or something like I do like boy like rocker makeup. She immediately starts to wipe it off It's that's why I'm just like I mean I don't mean to but I am I do touch my face a lot

Yeah, but my face just rejects it. It's weird, and I don't like, come on. I mean, I don't mean to, but I am, I do touch my face a lot. But my face just rejects it. It's weird. And I don't like it. It's uncomfortable. I don't feel normal. I feel weird. I don't feel, in a dress,

I'm like, look like a man in a dress. Yeah, you wanna be comfortable. Well, you know what? If this is where she's comfortable, then she's comfortable. I mean, she's certainly got a perfect nose. She doesn't have to shadow her nose or anything. I just was like, hmm, just getting things.

She's gorgeous. Now, Demi Moore has been killing it this season, but I was thinking she's looking very thin. Maybe it's slightly too thin. I know people like, I can't believe Heather's talking about people's body. It's a red carpet, it's dresses, it's outfits. She's starring in a movie called Substance that is about a woman trying to stay thin, young and beautiful. She certainly has achieved it.

I love all her dresses that Brad Gorgesky. Yeah, Gorgesky. He styled her. She looks amazing. Shout out Brad. But like I said, that was one of those movies that I loved the first two thirds and hated the last thirds. It was so gross.

Wow, that thing took a turn and just died. Yeah, it took a turn. I always think like, imagine like 2010, how absolutely hardcore that would not have been nominated on any level. Not a single person in it, not the movie. The substance you mean. Yeah, maybe it would have gotten special effects, maybe.

But it's crazy where we've come, where there's just industry. There's just no movies or like, I don't know. I mean, I liked it. I enjoyed it. I'm super happy for her. By the way, did Pamela Anderson, I mean, I did want her to win.

Did she win? Did we know? I don't, no, I don't know. No, I don't think she won. I think we would have seen if she won. Well, that's too bad. Did the Amelia Perez win anything? Have you I seen that one. Yes, we did vote Did you vote because we're all in sag? No, I didn't vote. Oh, I that's my only thing I get to do

So I was like Julie get on and then we were just like, what are you gonna do? Well, I'm gonna do this. What are you gonna do? And then we just did we we just tried to vote for best actress then Um, we probably did Pamela Anderson Pamela Anderson We haven't seen the movie just to be but I'll tell you I didn't vote for is Amelia fucking Perez Okay, I don't think she came because I've been following it I don't think she came to the BAFTAs and Netflix said we're not paying for anything like you're gonna have to do a rideshare uber We are not paying for anything, and I think even when they showed her photo It was like weird like two claps like someone not realizing over not supposed to clap for her

So I don't think she's gonna win because she wrote the hateful tweets not that long ago, right? Not that long and like not just hateful towards one group, but towards everybody including women. Yeah It had like she's weird. Yeah, also the movie sucked. It was terrible I start I started it on the plane I'm usually very forgiving on a plane. I stopped after the first song and went and watched old sex in the city episodes I mean when you can't even and I will watch anything and I like a musical I can get into musical But this was like like what kind of thing do you want? I want a sex change What do you want it? I want a man to a woman it was so

Sophomoric and so I think it was nominated for like 20 on things I think that there were parts of it we went into a deep dive in and on our podcast, okay I will say this I think that it was it was trying to do something. It's on the pulse of a moment It's you know It also did have moments of kind of cool like visual times however, I think that you know what it was doing was was was just like

trying to like pitch its wagon on a on something that it didn't really completely think through. Yeah. Like in a lot of, you know, trans people weren't into it a lot. It just wasn't, it didn't hit the mark the way that it was supposed to. It had, did it have moments? Yes. But did it miss the mark more? Yes. It just missed the mark. It was like, it was like a kid made it. It was like, but it wasn't getting canned until the tweets came out. Yeah. I think it's because people were afraid to say anything and now

they're like, oh, she's, she's an asshole. Um, okay. So here are these, this couple who's becoming to look alike. Ariana Grande and her boyfriend. What's his name? I don't remember, but it looks like a brother. We did vote for her. No, he looks just like her brother, and they look so much alike. So they're more faking to each other at a young age, and she looks so different than what she used to look like. She's changed her look a lot.

But I did see the wicked, I think I've talked about it in the show. The wicked? We voted for her for best comedy. I did see the Wicked. I think I've talked about it in the show. The Wicked? We voted for her for best comedy. I had a whole other storyline I put out. I wrote a whole other script. For Wicked. For Wicked.

What I would have liked to have been. And then people were like, yeah, but you haven't seen the second half. And then it gets really good. I go, well, I don't care. I thought of a better idea. In the book. I thought they should have been real sisters. I thought they should have been real

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Raz Will. So their moms were Jackie and Lee Raz Will. So they were like best friends, first cousins. And she also became very close with Carolyn Bissette and wrote the book, What Remains. And so we talked about that because Ryan Murphy is doing a whole thing called the American love story on that time up until their death and stuff and the paparazzi and him riding around his bike shirtless with a beret.

Now, she told me I think that's one of those weird things where people say you remember the the guy from the Monopoly with a monocle, but he really doesn't have one. I don't think he rode his bike around with a beret. I think he was shirtless a lot riding his bike around, and I think he wore a lot of berets. But I don't think he ever wore a beret and wore a shirtless bike in New York. But my whole point was the guy liked attention. He liked attention.

And that's okay. And she didn't, Carolyn. And that was like the paparazzi. Anyway, so I said, I think you are gonna be featured, Carol, in something or your book could become more of a show maybe about the two girls, which she's working on maybe being a play.

So I said, who should play her? So she had this one, Bridget Medler. Someone said that she's a former Disney person and she could be her, but also, I really think it should be Leighton Meister. Meister. Meister. I think she could play Carol. Love Leighton Meister.

Leighton Meister's- In the 90s, so this was a photo I found of her from her Instagram, where I'm like, that's sort of a 90s outfit. Mm. Yeah. I mean, and Leighton Meister's lurking around the edges of consciousness because of Blake Lively, because they were on Gossip Girl together. And Leighton Meester supposedly was, along with Scarlett Johansson,

were the only two who just like classy and kept it quiet, even though they supposedly hate Blake Lively. Oh, during the Gossip Girl days? No, during. Or now? Now. Oh, well the old clips are fascinating and there was some clip of them doing a panel or something

and Blake Lively says something about being born in a cage or something, she goes, well, some of us were. And I guess Leighton's mom gave birth to her behind bars. Ooh. And she said that on stage. I know that she had a kind of- In like a joking way. That is probably the meanest thing I've seen.

Out of all the stuff, out of all the dumb clangy jewelry and talking in words salad, that's probably the worst thing I saw. But here is the Hollywood Reporter cover of Blake versus Bell Donnie. And the minute I saw it, I was like, wow,

she is not gonna like the way her face looks in this. They made it like, again, she's like, her character cartoon has very little makeup, the lips look thin, the face looks long, the nose doesn't look as perky. Like it's, and we've all had a character done in our life I came across one in the move with Peter and I and it's just like like just so ugly like long chins like the worst I was like why do I have horse teeth yeah also why am I two feet tall and look like Danny DeVito like we looked

like Danny DeVito and I was like why does my nose long? Like I literally put me in a vest with a bow tie. Looked like I was, and looked like Danny DeVito. Where did you guys do it? Was that? That's right. In Barcelona, like on the long tourist street. And we were like, let's do it. And like, and then we get it back

and we're just like, fucking horrified, horrified. Disgusting. I did it like at Magic Mountain Six Flags when I was a little kid, hated it then. I have never liked a cartoon drawing ever. Cause it always like. Well, they put the pictures of celebrities and they make the celebrities look attractive.

They exaggerate like the more beautiful features of celebrities. So they'll make guys look like Bo Hong, so like Marilyn Monroe. And so you're thinking they're gonna like accentuate you and make you better looking and they don't. And then you take it and you're like, and it's like, so where Julie's like on a stool next to me

with like little useless legs. And I'm like, why are you on a stool next to me? Exactly, I look like a leprechaun, like an Italian leprechaun with a mustache. She's holding a slingshot with a phone, and it's supposed to be like a David and Goliath thing where they're making her the David and him the Goliath, which they thought it should be switched.

100%. And then he's holding the book, it ends with us. And, This is even worse by the way, for as a character, because they're not even making them into characters. They're making, that's somebody who is like like this is what I think these two people look like Looks like shorter and better hers looks longer like no so she supposedly not happy with it and she's slingshotting a Cellphone at him. He's holding the book. So the latest is

a cell phone at him, he's holding the book. So the latest is, did Taylor Swift have anything to do with hiring Isabella, who is the young version of Blake in the movie? So there is a video and Justin says, I found this girl, we auditioned her, I thought she was great, I brought over her tape to Blake and Taylor was there and they both were like, oh my god She's perfect. And she really was a good casting match for her to be the younger Blake like the teenage version and

so that so that's so she was involved besides giving her song besides being there when they Rewrote the scene of the rooftop scene where she is like, ha ha ha, wait, you're a neurosurgeon? Oh, hey, you're serious. Like the rooftop scene is so weird. And so clearly Taylor's gonna be deposed. There's no way out of it, I think. She's going to be deposed, which nobody likes to be deposed.

Do they live next door to each other? I'm constantly like baffled by how much she's over at Blake Lively's home. Well, I don't think she is anymore. But she was, so she just, do they live near each other? I think maybe, I think she had a New York place, or I don't know where they were, but yeah, I think it's fun to,

she probably watched Gossip Girl, she probably was a huge fan of hers. And then all of a sudden Blake wants to be her friend. And even though they're, you know, you're like, why would Taylor care to, Taylor has that whole thing of collecting cool, happening girls that are models. And she has her, she was the first one that called it squad.

So she likes to have, so yeah, I think she enjoyed it until it turned into like the worst Hollywood lawsuit scandal, like everyone just comes off looking gross. So she's just like staying silent. But here's the thing with, so last we dropped off, there was an amended complaint from Blake where she said, there is, you know, I'm submitting evidence that there's two other actresses that also said that Bell-Donnie made them feel uncomfortable. So you had to, you know, by process of elimination, it's got to be Jenny Slate who played his sister and her best friend, and Isabella the young Blake. So they found out one of the complaints that were like through HR or whatever, through Jenny Slate is she

got this apartment. She's a single mom with a two year old in New York and she was saying I don't like it. It's like it's not enough room for us, whatever. But I don't feel like moving and losing my $15,000 deposit. The producer said something like, don't worry about it. We will cover the fifteen grand. We'll reimburse you for that. Motherhood is really important and it's really important that you as a single mom like feels comfortable. Allegedly from what I've gathered in my research, which is not as extensive as yours probably. OK, but it seems like that People are saying that she took that little bit of like motherhood and all that and maybe

shared that with Blake which then got back and it was like inappropriate use of talking about like Motherhood, but most people that that talked about it were like, oh my god, like that's nice. They gave her the 15 grand. They wanted her to be comfortable. Also, who isn't comfortable in a apartment that's fifteen thousand a month in New York? But New York is an expensive place. I don't know. But that was that's the complaint. It doesn't have to do with Justin creeping on her as of yet. It has to do with that part of the production that she had a bad apartment or that they said the motherhood comment. The motherhood comment.

I don't get it. I don't either. So all he said was... That's what's confusing about it. Is that motherhood is important, we're going to cover the money and you can find a place that fits you? Well, that's why... How terrible. That's why the team...

How disgusting. That's why the team Justin people are making videos out of it and talking about it because it is so ridiculous. But in her defense, it could have just been such a throwaway thing that she said to Blake too And then Blake took it and was like it sounds like you know yeah It doesn't even sound like she was complaint the complaint being about the apartment probably was too small or it was a studio or Whatever who knows because the New York apartments are tiny and she has a kid and she whatever Whatever and then they fix it for her and then we don't know what yeah, we love Jenny Slade So I feel is she just totally horrified that she must be she's just staying silent

Oh, you know and she has another show coming up good That's that my friend is the creator of Nikki Boyer called dying for sex that became like a hit podcast and as a show about her best friend who is dying from cancer and wants to have sex with all the different kind of sex she didn't have. And it's about two best friends and Jenny Slate plays one of them. So like she's on to other things, you know, it's just like, but was she a supportive friend in the process to Blake?

Yeah, but I don't know, I would guess that she didn't foresee this happening when she's just You know, we've all been on a job where you're like want to take a walk around the studio and bitch Yeah, maybe for coffee and you bitch and da da da and it's like I literally just did that I literally just in our thing in Portland. They booked an Airbnb and I was like no It's too small. It's too small. I've got two of my many pets. We can't do it. We need a different place.

Motherhood is important. Yeah, it is. And motherhood is important. Being a dog and cat mom is important. It's important. It's important. It was too small. I needed a yard, didn't have a yard.

It was gonna be a stair. I can't do it. And you know what? They said, you know what? Don't worry about it. Motherhood is important. Yeah. I thought we did have to do it.

And then, no, we didn't. Well, the second time we did. But the first time we didn't. The second time we is important. I thought we did have to do it. And then, no, we didn't. Well, the second time we did. But the first time we did. The second time we did have to suck it up because it was for just two days. But the first time was going to be like for 30 days. And I was just like, no, can't do it. Also, I'm not sharing space.

It cannot be a guest house. Right. I can't do it. I can imagine 15,000 down payment in like a whatever deposit in New York. I'm quite sure that gets you a studio Yeah, you know what I mean? For a running around tower honestly no way

They accommodated her but in the conversation allegedly it was in some way interpreted as Slightly bothersome or offensive to her and I think she shared it Blake. Now the other girl that we think it is Isabella. And now Isabella, we don't know what her complaint was. But that's like a 10 year old? No, no, no, she's like 20 something. Oh, okay, I didn't realize that. She played with her as like a teenager.

But she has also said on the red carpet, Blake is like a big sister to me. We have sleepovers, we hang out, we make food. She gives me so much tips. And some people would say, well, now that's kind of odd to have a sleepover with your co-host and you're 37 and a mother of four. And you're like, spend the night and hang out. Was she grooming her, not sexually, but kind of grooming her in a way that would make her, you know, again, open up or feel entitled or use that friendship to be like, well, remember when we were bitching about whatever and you said this?

I don't know. So those are the little latest things. We're not going to spend the whole show on it. OK, so this is juicy. I have talked a little bit and joked a little bit about let them, because it's all over everyone's feed and this is Mel Robbins and she has let us know she has the number one podcast number one this number one that she likes very much to say that and a lot of people love her and a lot of people have read her books and gone to her speak motivational speaking.

I have not I have only seen certain things But the whole let them thing is like if that if you're all your friends go to brunch and don't invite you, don't don't bitch at them or be mad. Let them let them. But it's also when I looked a little more, it's really also about like really controlling women and mothers like. So basically, I found out why she came up with the let them thing. OK, great. I've always found it confusing You're the one who told us about it. I'm like I don't get anything cuz it's like yeah

You're just not supposed to ever get mad like about anything like or your parents hurt them At first it sounds good because we had a whole discussion about it because the first it's like you know what yeah let them Yeah, we don't they don't control us And we don't we're gonna let them infiltrate all of our thoughts and have to do that But then I mean Brandi's like what let them what well they hate you Yeah, like how what if they come to continually like ignore you what if they continually ghost you what if they can what if you don't? You can't have a in you can't have a back and forth you can't there's no Well, then it's like bye girl. Well, let me first get into the controversy over Mel Robbins and being accused of

Not they she's been accused of plagiarism. I'm not going to use that. That's sort of a strong word, but not giving credit where credits do. Okay. So this guy has a YouTube that was sent to me and he explains everything and his name is Andy Mort. So I am going to give him the credit. I did not do this research myself, but I watched this whole video. And he says this girl, Cassie Phillips, wrote this poem called Let Them. Now, other people are going to say my grandmother used to say, let them. OK, so it's like, OK, but she actually wrote a poem called Let Them

that then sparked people getting tattoos and things, calling Let Them, Let Me. That's when the tattoo started. That's important to the story. This girl Cassie inspired- Cassie Phillips, this pretty girl that's younger, has like a hip look to her, okay? So this is the controversy.

The poem went viral in 2022, this is important. And people shared it, discussed it, got tattoos. In 23, Robbins made a viral video saying, and she says, I watched the video, she goes, I'm hearing, I've just heard about this thing called Let Them, and I love it, blah, blah, blah, blah. Then she does a podcast episode about it, and it goes big. And then she's like, I just used the theory, let them.

And it was at my son's junior prom. And they were, I said, where are you guys going to dinner? And it was torrential rain. And he said, the group is going to this taco stand. No, a taco stand outside. And she goes, and I was like thinking, you can't do that. Or she was saying this, you can't do that, or she was saying this,

you can't do that, you're all dressed up, your dates have hair, you can't be standing at a taco stand, like let me try to make a reservation with you somewhere else. And she said her 20 year old daughter said, mom, let them. And she goes, that's when I had the light bulb moment, and that's when I put the let them theory into it,

and that's when I decided I'm going to talk about this and write a book about this. Because I used it. And then the other time I used it is, I was at the grocery store and there were five people ahead of me and there was only one checker. And I was getting all frustrated and mad.

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So it's her stories, which a lot of people do. When you're peddling a book, you end up telling the same stories over and over, whether it's on Good Morning America or whatever. Oprah, everything. Oprah's saying, at the end she says, I love you. I let you know, they go, I love you too. And Jay Shetty, who is also a grifter,

I had the guy on that wrote all about him from The Guardian about his past Buddhist life and all this, or monk life that he proved isn't true. Nobody cares. Everyone is like, Jay Shetty, woo! I'm just saying, grifters be grifting. Okay, so. And they stick together.

So she, okay, so let me give you the timeline. So in 2023, she did the video, well, about, I just heard of this theory. In 2024, she announced that she's writing a book, published. Now, this is where this guy realized a big point, Andy Mort. She knew about the poem. She knew about the tattoos that was already out in 2022. She didn't start talking about it till 23. The book came out in 24. In the book, she says, I was working on this

for two years, bringing it back to 22. Not true, because at 23 is when she first did the video of I just discovered the slut them. Also when she decided based on the viral video and her hit podcast episode about it, when she decided to do the book, she went and tried to register, let them, trademark register it. Which Cassie Phillips, I guess, had not done,

but they did not give it to her. Why does not have the trademark of it. Which Cassie Phillips, I guess, had not done, but they did not give it to her. Why does not have the trademark of it? Did they think it was just too common of a phrase? I guess she couldn't prove that it was like her. You have to really prove that like something is yours. Like I wrote a book called, you'll never blue ball in this town again. Now if all of a sudden I said, you know what?

I just came up with this theory, it's called blue balling. And what you do is you dry hump a guy while wearing jeans, and it feels kind of nice, and it keeps you from getting pregnant and also keeps you from ever getting a third date. But it's called blue balling. And it's a theory that I've been doing now. And I'm just letting people know.

No, it's like And it's a theory that I've been doing now. And I'm just letting people know. No, it's like, it's okay. Like if she would have been like, you know, or even gone to Cassie and involved her, or even if she didn't, even if she said, I saw this poem and I was like, I'm going to take this further on it. And I haven't read the book. So I don't know if she interviews people that have done it or, you know, you could have done, I don't know.

I'm assuming the book doesn't have anything legally wrong. It's just in this world of everyone sharing content. When I see stuff, oftentimes I go, I saw this somewhere, I didn't come up with it. I don't always have everyone's name because I'm scrolling and things like that. But, so that is the controversy around the let them. Wow.

But all these people are just like, oh my God, this is amazing. And she goes, this is a single Mel Robbins goes, this is the single greatest thing I've ever done with my life. This this moment at 56 years old with this book coming out, this is what I've put on earth to do. Take a poem from someone else. And she says in the interviews, people are getting tattoos. She makes it sound like they're getting that tattoos for her. People are getting tattoos. She makes it sound like they're getting that tattoos for her not

So the her origin story is Changed and not correct the same thing with Jay Shetty his origin story has been proven not to be Accurate but even when I had that writer on nobody picked it up Because he's so powerful in this space. Yep. Maybe, you know, that is just, I mean. She should have had this girl on Cassie when she did her podcast episode about it. Cause you said she did a podcast episode, right? When she got involved, right?

Yes. She should have had this girl on the girl that wrote the poem. Yep. And she didn't. No. And that's why I'm saying, oh, you wrote white checks. checks no I did not write white checks white chicks was already sold And I've said this to already sold to be made they had already created the whole idea

Okay, I was writing on another movie with them. I was waiting for Keenan to arrive and I saw the Hollywood Reporter article and I said, can I work on this film since I'm a white chick when this gets made? And they go, yeah, that we're gonna work on that one next. And then I helped with scenes and character development and jokes. I was not writing it. I was like, a tribute, like,

I always make that very clear when someone says that because I'm like, I don't want someone to think I wrote the whole thing and like, cause maybe that's why the waynes aren't calling me That stupid bitch is walking around saying she came up with white chicks and wrote it herself no that is not true No, that is not true all Mel Robbins had to do is have her on share the glory You know what I mean she could have like and by the way is this even if she didn't invent it It's confusing as fuck. I'm sorry you think that's the greatest single accomplishment you ever had. I don't get it Yeah, I haven't been able to get it

No, I feel like it you're either a doormat or you've got a superiority complex and it just doesn't it doesn't resonate with me Yeah, I guess she I also When I looked it up I saw that she had an open marriage and I made a joke about it on a previous episode Which I also cut that clip which was I knew of that she had an open marriage and I made a joke about it on a previous episode, which I also cut that clip, which was, of course she has an open marriage. Your husband wants to fuck someone else? Let them. Exactly. Also, you're a lesbian? Let them. But then someone said, no, she considered it. They talked about it, but it never happened and she saved her marriage and they're

still married and committed. So yeah, did did I? Maybe give some misinformation. Let me was I wrong about it. Let me did I read it on the internet? Yes I did did the person write it wrong that I read it about Them write something that they weren't correct about yeah, if I can happens let them let them Don't ever worry about any single thing getting misquoted misunderstood taking someone's information and making it a Yeah, let them yeah, but I thought it was a little weird when I saw one clip where she's like I'm number one podcaster on Amazon Spotify, I'm like

Okay, yeah, you know what that would be a turn. that's that would should be a red flag right there You know is not a turn off. I'm number one and all like it's such a turn Yeah, when I first saw the let them thing and I first saw a clip about her I did DM her and I was like do you think that your friend stopped inviting you to brunch because you became so successful Because she one time said something she goes I thought we're all gonna be going on cruises in our 50s. And like, yeah, I'm like, maybe, I don't know.

But I was, so I, so I did write her. I was like, oh, I'd love to talk to you about it. Anyway, of course she's got, you know, 70 million followers, whatever it is. I haven't heard from her. So that's not why I'm exposing her. I found Andy Mort. And he did it.

And someone sent it to me on Facebook. And I say, thank you for doing that. Cassie Phillips, give her some credit. And if you love the book and you love listening to her and all that, that's fine. But we also need to know the truth. And so there you go with that. One thing, just to clarify,

one thing Mel Robinson said is that her let them theory stems from other things like the serenity prayer, God let me accept the things that I cannot accept, you know, that one change, like the AHA, which they use in the AHA meetings. But in any other credit that she gets, she never says, from what I have done, the research, show me a clip where she says Cassie Phillips wrote a poem, someone said to, you know, I started to see the thing or, or I didn't know where the origin came from. It came from this poem in 2022 from Cassie Phillips. And, you know, because like, she just has never said that. And there's no way she doesn't know at this point. Well, yeah, thankless job too, by the way.

You're a poet or even if you're a writer and you're writing poetry, she finally got like some traction. People were getting the tattoo with her art. And it's like, and then this bitch comes and usurps it. Like, I'm sorry, Mel. Yeah. Like that's just not gonna cut it.

No. Right. This young woman like make, does a, what poet or even poem? No. We got Maya Angelou and the bitch who was at the White House and that's pretty much it. Also I think that the let them theory only does apply to like really bossy people.

And I'm not a bossy person. Well, there is a part of it. That's why it spoke to me from the beginning. I like to disassociate. I like to just be like, just forget it. Just, I don't wanna think about it. Just let, I can't, I just have to, in order to survive and move on,

just, they're gonna think that. I can't compare myself to that. They're gonna do, do, do, do, do. If I get too competitive, I'm gonna lose my mind. So I'm just gonna try and, in some way, it spoke to me about just disassociating or not allowing yourself to. No one would call it healthy behavior.

Disassociating. It's not healthy. I think that part is okay, but now that I've researched more, it's more about like, like if you're, that's like saying, let your kid go in the rain at the prom. No, that's why it's-

No, it's an awful idea. Yeah, that's why I'm saying it. Is it, can you at least ask if there's an awning at the taco truck? What do you, your kid is 16. He doesn't realize that his date is gonna be really bummed. And she's a girl who's gonna be too shy to say,

I don't wanna be in the rain or like, it's like, yeah. You know, your two-year-old wants to go out in the snow with no shoes on, let them. I mean, how far does it go? Like, you know, yes you your kids should learn some lessons But the prom thing I was like I don't think that's wrong for moms especially in 2025 where these 17 year old kids are stupid Just say no you guys are not going in the rain in your rented suit and your prom dress and your $200 hair and makeup we will find like I don't think that and then she was like

I don't think that and then she was like What that was? That's my opinion That's why you're right It's like a bossy mom thing I guess No I think once you scratch one little bit one question and that's why Brandy was saying it's like you're either a doormat or you're above it all

there's no, what, instantaneously to me it spoke to my personal whatever needs but then it went, once you go further, it doesn't make any sense. Cause I'm not gonna let someone punch me. I'm not gonna let someone push me. I'm not gonna let someone treat me like shit.

Or is that what you're saying? I mean, I prefer the subtle art of not giving a shit. Yeah. That is good. But the thing of like, as a mother, since she used the mother as her mothering, as an example of letting her kid, One of my greatest, most satisfying moments as being a mom is when Mackenzie, my daughter, my stepdaughter, she to be technical. Sometimes if I say daughter, then people are like, she's really not. And then if I say step, they feel like it's offensive.

Whatever. She's my daughter. So she was in college and I was like, where are you going to live for sophomore year? And she had a serious boyfriend. Oh, we're going to rent a house. And with the boyfriend and. I was like, you know, with a few other people. And Peter was kind of like, OK, you know, and I go, Peter. And I and I, but I said. Mackenzie, I don't think it's a good idea. I'm going to tell you why I go, because, you know, if you I don't think it's a good idea and I'm gonna tell you why.

I go because, you know, if you decide you wanna break up with him or whatever, now you're living in this house, it's gonna be weird if he brings a girl, if you bring another guy, he could be possessive. You know, it's why you don't live with someone until you're really serious, especially when you don't have the money

to just get up and leave. And I said, there isn't a girl over 24 years old walking on this earth that would tell you, 19 year old, that's a good idea. It's not just me. It's women just a couple years older than you would say, don't live with your boyfriend sophomore year. And I go, that's all I'm going to say. And then the next day she was like, well, I talked to the boyfriend and he was kind of sad. Oh, why is he sad? She goes, Oh, because I'm not going to live with him. I go, Oh, what changed your mind? She's like, well, I talked to the boyfriend and he was kind of sad. I go, why is he sad? She goes, oh, cause I'm not gonna live with him. I go, oh, what changed your mind?

She's like, what you said. I was like, oh my God. So like, I'm like, so now going to our next story of the sad thing of Gabby Petito. I think she had the greatest, this is the poor girl. You guys know the story. It's the three part doc on Netflix, and we talked so much about it, and she skipped, this is the girl who went

with her boyfriend living there in life, went missing, and we found out that the boyfriend did it. Okay, Brian, so Gabby, but in just getting into it, she had the greatest four parents ever, the greatest co-parenting thing we've ever seen. The mom and dad had her at 20, broke up when she was seven months old, married other people, had other families, all looked alike. Strangely, they all look exactly alike.

The moms are blonde, the dads are like a cute 45 bald, but they all got along, there was so much respect for the step mom and the stepdad and all of that all that was beautiful and you know and I'm and I think they did everything right in that too because she was 22 but it's heartbreaking and and you know you know who did wrong on that in that situation were the cops yes like let's, like the parents did their best. What are you going to do? She's an adult.

She went in the van and did the van life and blah, blah, blah, blah. Even though I would say there isn't a living in the van is going to be less fun. Don't do it. But she wanted to do her YouTube channel. And but even he didn't it wasn't like he was like the videographer. He had no skills. None. He didn't go to college. He wasn't working on anything. He wasn't a mechanic. He had no skills. He didn't go to college.

He wasn't working on anything. He wasn't a mechanic. He wasn't a, he didn't work at REI. He didn't fucking know shit. Why the fuck were they on a van life? And you saw her bitter. Like if you knew how to edit, we could get this done faster. Yeah, she was already irritated.

He was looking to hitch his dick into something. He liked that bug-eyed girl. He was trying to get with her. She didn't want to get with him. He was looking to- Oh, the girl that interviewed. Yeah, he was trying to hook into a girl. He was fishing for whoever. And she did not realize how hot she was. When they showed her legs in those shorts, I was like, this girl has got a perfect body. She doesn't need a speckle of makeup. But she like, I don't think she realized,

like he realized, I can't believe this girl is with me. This girl is way out of my league. Wait. I have imposter syndrome. I should not be with this girl. When is she gonna wake up and realize that I got balled at 22, so I have a chip on my shoulder. I don't go to school and I'm a loser.

I thought his parents were lying about his age. I was like, I don't know how he was at high school with them, but I'm like somebody lied about his age. But what you were saying about the cops, so your opinion is that the cops didn't handle it right because we see them get pulled over. They were fighting from the beginning from what we learned, all that, whatever. That when we saw that body cam of the cops in Utah who pulled them over where they had gotten in the fight Those cops in my opinion are responsible for her death. I if I were her parents I would sue them They did they did a good they did and I think they did get money and they also sued the her His parents and got his parents are but we don't know how much it's under every single Police the police who went to the parents house should be sued. The Florida police were useless.

Like they were, they should all be ashamed of themselves. They are all responsible. They all have her blood on their hands. But those main cops who put him in a hotel for domestic abuse survivors, because he was the victim of her. When I tell you you I just about burned my entire neighborhood down You're this little girl is the I don't care if she slapped him 50,000 times You get her you take her away, and you separate them, and you send her home, but no no no She was you and all those male cops, and they're sitting around laughing Saying how she was the aggressor we have to get him away from her

I told her crazy to them. I mean that they are Responsible they should be fired. They should never be allowed him police working again And if I were I mean I just have to say about this so what the why the parents sued them Is because they said even it so if you because they had to like find what the cops did wrong. So they're like, if the cops, you know, should have followed the law. And she said, Yes, I hit him. She was just because whatever. And but she didn't what he was like, what about those marks on you? She wouldn't say, Well, he hit me before yesterday or whatever. Technically, they should have said, well, I'm sorry,

but we are going to have to arrest you. And so the parents were like, had you arrested her, she would have had to have called us and then we could have had access to her to be like, what the fuck is going on? And we could have had a chance to save her. The defense of those cops is, you know, we were trying to be nice.

Not give them like a record. Not put her in jail because we didn't really think it was a serious thing. We thought it was like a mutual fighting thing. They're living in this tiny van. He was polite. She was cooperative. So we're like, here's, you know, here you go. But because technically she said I hit him and so therefore he was the domestic violence victim. They were following the protocol that he did does go to the free hotel room. Ridiculous. And she's in the van. And then she did you know text her mom and oh and you

know did again doesn't want to worry parents. Lots of times kids don't tell parents everything you know and because they don't want to worry them. But there there was that a couple things. One thing that see the show that tattoo right here. I just saw someone pointed out, not me, saw it. Don't know who to cry to said, did you notice? So all her really good friend, the one that she like she met on like Bumble friendship. Oh, right. That was cute. That girl has it and all four parents have it. Oh, that's so cute.

That they did that. But anyway, so most people agree that probably what happened was, you know, he was feeling insecure. He was bugging her when she was working 20 hour shifts at Taco Bell and couldn't be happier to work there to collect the money for the van that she owned was her name. And, you, and he'd be like,

you just don't wanna be with her. She's like, no, I'm making tacos. Please stop crying. I don't know what to do. I don't know how to prove to you that I do. So she's realizing after that incident, everything, like, what the fuck am I doing? He's totally unhelpful.

I'm totally turned off. I don't wanna, probably just, probably don't wanna be intimate with anymore. She's probably like, what? And she says to her own mom, I could make more money as a single van life person, but she starts texting and calling her old boyfriend. So I believe, and a lot of people I think would agree with me, somewhere at the last Mexican meal that she said she didn't like her food and they left and someone saw that

and then they also saw them go to the grocery store was the last time she was seen. In there, there was a call that day or a text to that boyfriend. He obviously saw it, found out, phone texted back, whatever. And he looked and and then he was like, and then she probably was like, Yeah, I'm fucking leaving you. I'm done, whatever. And it's just that crime of passion, where he is just like, No. And then she probably was like, yeah, I'm fucking leaving you. I'm done. Whatever. And it's just that crime of passion where he is just like, no. And then we believe he killed her, strangled her, whatever. He has a 55 minute call with the mother that they get from all. So I thought, you know, it was obviously he told her. And then the letter, the mom writes a letter.

The mom called the attorney right after that 55 minute call. Right. Pops right onto the phone to the attorney and sends the attorney 15 grand or 25 grand. Yep. So a lot of people think that the other thing is he's still alive. Because we never did see him. They said he came back with the van. We never did see him.

Did they go collect the van, say he was in the house, but you know, because they hadn't arrested him yet. They were still like, you know, giving him all these days. He went off to Mexico. And was there some other dead body or something that he was very responsible for or found? And they put like, but I don't believe that because I'm sure they did a DNA test. So I do believe he's dead. Some people think he's alive still in Mexico and they helped him get a lead

because they were the ones who found the dead body. But I don't believe in 2025 that you could fake a dead body that isn't his. No, they'd have to do the DNA. They would know that it was his. Well, I feel like the The only way you could fake it because of course The cops fucked up and they never got him in custody

And it's like why would he never be in custody? Which is why the her parents made that bill which I didn't understand I was like what's this bill about and Julie's like that's so that if somebody's missing you can go to their media partner whoever that I was 11 questions which we partner whoever that's the 11 questions Which we never found out what the 11 questions were But it's like those cops had asked even then because even going back to when those cops fucked up in Utah He said she's crazy. I was defending myself Why are you believing him like there?

It's it's it's over and over and over again and even with the parents like you you just allowed that to happen And then you're doing you're surveilling the house and you didn't see him leave? You didn't see him leave. So I'm saying that the whole country was on it and we had a bloodlust for justice. I mean, I remember exactly where I was sitting when I heard the story before she had been found dead.

And you're just like, please God, please God, please God. Let's hope she ran away with someone. And then you're like, you know, and the way it played out and then he ends up dead and nobody knows what ran away with someone. And then you're like, you know, and the way it played out, and then he ends up dead and nobody knows what to do with himself. And it's like, you never saw him leave the house. Why was he not already arrested? Why was he not just in custody?

And so she- For just stealing her van. Why didn't you just arrest him for stealing the van? You knew it was in her name and you still walked away from the house. Do you remember all the other stories, the lesbian couple that were also murdered, that was like somewhere on their path

and they never found out who killed them? What? And that one guy went missing too, up there too. And that's the same park. And then there was also, there was, when all the TikToks were going on, people thought that maybe there was like a bunker behind here and he was actually in there for a while.

Oh my God. Living safely, but I don't think that really matters now. that maybe there was like a bunker behind here and he was actually in there for a while, living safely. But I don't think that really matters now. I just know from the Gilgo Beach, whatever that beach thing is. There's been so many proven times. Gilgo Beach? Gilgo Beach murderer. The cops will do the, in that case, the head of the police department of that small town. Yes

Was arrested and so was the DA of that town They were literally arrested and they never wanted the FBI involved because they themselves were doing their own crimes They didn't let the FBI get involved and it's like police will cover stuff up if they know the whole entire country is going to like Come for them come for them. They'll be like, yep, we found the body and he's dead. And they won't admit that they let this guy slip through their fingers because they simply wouldn't walk up to the, they wouldn't even go to the parents door. They're standing outside the screen like,

can we talk to you? I'm like a young girl is missing and the van is out front. Are you kidding? I mean, kidding. And that they, yeah, that they immediately ghosted them and everything and didn't say anything. I mean, so, you know, the question is to parents, like your son calls you and he's like,

oh my God, you know, we were hiking. And let's just say he said this, mom, I don't know what to do. You know, Gabby and I, and maybe he says he didn't kill her. Maybe he says we were hiking and she slipped and, you know, whatever. And now I didn't know what to do because she, let's just say he said what he said in the letter. She was slipping and she fell. And so somehow I ended her life like you would like a deer or something, which makes no sense.

But whatever he might have said, maybe maybe said, she was hitting me, mom, and I hit her and she hit a rock and now she's dead. I mean, if I was in that position, pray that I never am, I mean, the first thing I would be is, we're hanging up right now, you're going to meet with an attorney right now. Because there might be something more in your story if we go now with

the evidence, if we go find her right now, whether he's telling the truth or not, but maybe a defense attorney could build a case for a non-premeditated murder. A non-premeditated murder could have gotten him 10 years and he still would have been out by 40 and had a life and you could still visit him. Like so the fact that they thought no let's cover it up and let's not answer these poor parents of where their 22-year daughter is for three weeks or whatever the fuck it was. Like they're awful but we knew they're weird because she said when she was staying with them that the mom was cold and strange. The sister, we saw the text between the sister and the mom like joking like oh the FBI thought it was Brian leaving but it was actually you or something. It was so.

And you know it was her. You just know it was her. Because they never saw him leave and you know it was her. We saw them coming in and out of that house. So wait what was it? They thought it was him leaving and she made herself look like him was this like no they thought That when he left supposedly and took that Mustang to go to the park Oh for a hike that the yeah where he eventually they shot himself But no gun was ever found but the body was completely decomposed in third 37 days Even though when they found Gabby's body 30 days later she wasn't decomposed at all yes so his body well in defense of that he was in a completely wet okay fine but

all of his stuff was there he had a waterproof bag to make sure that whatever his letter of saying I put her out of her misery where's the gun and I remember when they found his body and it was completely weird that the parents the minute they let the public in the parents went yeah and the police search the whole area that for 19 days the lesbian FBI lady is like we searched everywhere but it was what from his car and they didn't find that. I mean. I think the parents have their suspicions. I don't know that they're totally convinced he's dead, but I think they got paid by the police department in a settlement. I think they got a settlement from the, because I read, but I don't know what it is, from the laundry parent, the parents, I don't know, from their homeowners or how much money they had. Brian, how do you say it?

It's laundry, I guess. And they got paid for this documentary. I would hope that they did. It's their story. They wouldn't have it without them. And I'm not saying they did it for money, but maybe they're just like, we can't prove that it wasn't him. I don't know.

So I don't know, but it is suspicious. Do you think it was his body or not? I don't think there was a body there, me personally. That's a lot of people to cover up. That's like autopsy and scientists. I think, no, it was his body. I want to think it's not. But I think he killed himself like the first week.

Like he went off the first, like the first, like I don't think he was at the house ever. I think, I think, and that's why it was more deep composed. I'm just so surprised he would even have the balls to kill himself. He was such a pussy. Yeah. That I just can't believe he did it.

So I want to believe he's alive so we can find him and kill him. I think suicide can, yeah, if you were not such a pussy, then you would stand up and you would do your time. And maybe be a spokesperson for like, not getting yourself in a position with a loved one where you feel like, I don't know. Cause it's really, there's so many, look, a lot of, we all know how much,

how many times this happens in a relationship. And it oftentimes it's so classic. It's the girl thinks he's great. It's the first guy that really likes her. She just likes having a boyfriend. He realizes that she's out of his league and too good for him. She starts to mature and grow and realize she does deserve better. She would like someone that has a house and has a career.

And then they're like, no, because you're the only thing that makes me successful is you. So I'm gonna isolate you from your friends and everything and do everything to keep you down so that you stay. And when they're finally the girl is like, fuck you, I'm done. And they snap.

It's horrible. What about how they went camping? His family, they all went out into the middle of nowhere. After she was missing. And the sisters out there like, oh well, I just went with my kids for six hours. It's like they were emptying stuff into the lake or the river.

They were making a plan. They were all covered. They all knew. They knew at the 55 minute call that she was dead. That day. Yes, 100%. Yes. And he killed her in cold blood. Yes, she didn't fall No, he didn't put and even then buddy go

But if he would have been honest right off the bat I think there would be a very good case to say it was not premeditated He did not take her in the van to kill her It could have been very much crime of passion snapped which is not premeditated, but he still shows life in jail No, he would have been very much crime of passion snapped, which is not premeditated. But he still spent his life in jail. No, he would have been in jail, but I'm saying like, if he would have done the right thing right away,

then there could have been a good case of like, this guy doesn't deserve to spend the rest of his life in jail, at least they could still visit and talk to their son, the mean, the potato parents can't. That's why I didn't think he killed himself, because he was such a pussy, he couldn't even face the consequences of anything. He couldn't even come up with like,

and he couldn't do anything without calling his mommy for an hour. I'm like, there's no way that guy has the balls to kill himself. He was such a loser, like in every way. I think killing yourself is freaking scary. And I mean, and again, we don't know where's the's the gun? Why was the gun where'd he get the gun? Whose gun was it and where where's the gun that he shot himself in the head with?

Why would you be like we found his backpack and we found this we found his shoes and they didn't get washed away in the 10-day torrential downpour everything was still there, but I hope he's alive. I hope he's alive I hope that those two bald and he's listening to Juicy Scoop. I hope so, cause if you are. I hope that those two bald dads have a PI right now on the case that they aren't talking about and they're gonna hunt his ass down and they're gonna do in the bedroom style killing. And you remember that movie?

Yeah. In the bedroom? No. Oh God. Okay, that's a good one. I put it on the list. In the bedroom, put. Oh, God. Okay, that's a good one. I'll put it on the list. In the bedroom, put it on the list. The dad, the parents. It's a slow burn. Sissy Spacek, and I can't remember the guy's name.

Their daughter gets murdered. You know what? I think I remember seeing the trailer, but I never saw it, so I'm gonna watch it. I will not give you the spoiler, then. Okay, I'm gonna watch it. So satisfying. Little update. Dave Grohl cheated on his wife and had a one-year-old baby that he announced about a little while ago.

And there were rumors that it was a 19-year-old. No, she is 38. She is, I've heard, read a few things. All we would know from New York Post is her name's Jennifer Young. She's 38 and born in Florida and lives in LA with their child, okay? But I've heard that she was a fan and I also read somewhere, don't know that this is true, but that she was his mother's caregiver.

Oh. So he's coming over and you know, and then that starts that old chestnut. Yeah. It's either the daddy or now the elderly caregiver. Like just the proximity of like how lazy do you have to be? And that we but then look, I think it's been clear. He always he went out of his way, which I was always suspicious of because everyone

at Chelsea Lait loved him because he did a week of shows. And I was like, whatever, like I didn't think it was that great. Everyone, but Courtney Love and I were like a little suspect. But, and he was always so about, oh my God, he's the rock and roll, like, but perfect dad. He shows up at the Sherman Oak School and like flips the burgers for chili day.

And oh, he's so cool, but he's fucking Dave Grohl. But he's like making burgers for the kids. No, he was a serial cheater. There's evidence all about it. And, you know, hopefully he's a good dad to all these kids, but he's a serial cheater. Is he staying with the wife?

They haven't gotten divorced yet. They were seen in a car talking, but then there was something that they were hanging out together too. So who knows, but there's a little update. There was something that they were hanging out together too. So who knows, but there's a little update. Meghan Markle has rebranded her American Orchard Jam Company or whatever it is to as ever. And she posted this like this thing of her inspiration board like a Pinterest or whatever.

And on it, she has some fun little things, like little sayings like happiness looks gorgeous on you, or you cannot make everybody happy, you are not a jar of Nutella. So these are the hints, these are, ooh, is she gonna make her own Nutella type of thing? And they said, no, the first brand is gonna be a raspberry jam. Shh, don't tell anybody.

The world has been waiting for Meghan Markle's raspberry jam. The depth of which I cannot stand Meghan Markle. I mean, I'm sorry. I just cannot deal with her shit. When she married him, I was all for it. I liked the wedding. I liked her choice of dress because I predicted her neckline and had was all for it. I liked the wedding, I liked her choice of dress because I predicted her neckline

and had evidence to prove it. I didn't understand why Peele didn't like her. And then, you know, now I'm just like, now I just hate when like, in this day and age, when like stars of any age, like get on the social media train like late in the game. And then, but they're basically like copying other people that truly are authentic,

like doing their social media like with a phone and then like, you know, I literally think she said, Harry, like make sure we can hear Harry in the back. Make sure we have like some little kid go, ah, in the back and like all like literally she studied it. Cause I think she is extremely inauthentic. That's what I think.

So, get the jam. Is that why you don't like her? That's why I can't stand her. I think she's not authentic. And that's just that she's also like, Like we need our privacy. Like I should think she completely, and really people just don't care.

Yeah. All the hype is over with, we don't care. And you just, you ruined a family. I mean, I hate to say it, I'm sorry. I know that there's all kinds of issues involved. Yes. And there's all kinds of grievances that are real. But I don't understand why you didn't stay in that family

and make the changes that needed to be changed rather than pussing out and leaving. Because it wasn't as fun as she thought. It was a lot. And there you go. And that's what they're... and there you go. And that's not even authentic. Yeah, it was a lot more like, it was a lot more rainy days. It was a lot of talking to uninteresting people as you're being greets or whatever it was. She had to go like weird places and hello.

Right. And it was, she was like, I lived a life of being like a BC actress. And that was way more fun than this. And so then along with everything else, and then, you know, feeling whatever her legit things are that, you know, all the articles and everything not feeling supportive, I give her that. But if she was like, no, let's go to back. Let's go to Montecito and be with a cool, successful millennials and then become the Kardashians and do a big thing. And she did for a while, she was winning.

She had all the Netflix deals, these hundred million dollar podcasts where she wasn't even really interviewing them, all of it. And now the final thing is this food show and jams. Wow. Yeah, exactly. I wonder if he feels coming here that he's like, this isn't as fun as I thought it would be.

Right. Well, I think she's also realizing like, yeah, it's more interesting when you're a really when you were a prince and we were doing princely things and people wanted to be our friends. Like everybody's like, doesn't really want wanna be the friend or take photos with them. They were totally people that would meet, like this happened where I heard from a couple people that knew rich millennial type successful people out there. And she would meet them,

realize they have a home in Aspen or a jet or whatever. And then he would do the follow-up. Oh, Megan said she had such a great chat with you and we've been looking to go to Aspen. We just don't know where to stay. And then they'd be like, well, we're not using our house. You can have the house and the staff and everything. Oh, that'd be wonderful.

And how exactly do we get there? Do you guys take a jet? And then they would get the free jet. But then those people after one or two times are like, this friendship isn't continuing. So we'll see what happens, but there's some scoop for you. Okay, Menendez Brothers, just to give you the update. So the new DA said that he does not support a new trial.

They wanted to do a new trial because of two things. One is the band member that was in Menudo did an affidavit saying that he was sexually assaulted, everything by the dad, Jose Menendez, who was in the music industry and was in charge of all of that. Also a good documentary to watch. Yes. And then the other one was there was a letter

that his aunts or whatever have found that was sent to a cousin who has now died that he sent, Eric sent to his cousin in 1988. The murder was in 89. That says he is being molested. So the DA is saying a couple things. He's saying even if they were molested, there's, there isn't enough evidence to then redo the trial because even if they were molested, it doesn't take away the fact that it was what Matt Murphy said that they killed for money,

what Matt Murphy said, that they killed for money because otherwise you would have let the mom live. The motivation for the killing was the $15 million according to the prosecution. It wasn't that they thought they were gonna die that day. They went and reloaded the gun and went back and finished off the mother. Because if they just killed the dad, the mom would have gotten the 15 million.

But if they're both dead, they get the 15 million. And because like the, the real, like the way the law is written is. If you kill for money, it changes like whatever the legality of it. Um, so he does not recommend a new trial. However, and also he said, then why wasn't that letter brought up during two trials? I had thought that it was. Why didn't, if they talked all about their abuse,

why didn't Eric go, he's sitting in there for years. Wait a minute. I sat down and wrote a long letter to my cousin a year prior saying it out. You gotta find the letter or my cousin's gotta get on the stand, which the cousin did, and say he sent me a letter. I don't know saying it out. You gotta find the letter or my cousin's gotta get on the stand, which the cousin did, and say, he sent me a letter. I don't know where it is.

We moved. We're looking for it. But he sent me a letter. There were cousins that did corroborate. Yes. But the letter wasn't brought up. So there's like, was this letter created? Was this letter from a different date that was created?

We don't know. I can see why ants stuff and like, listen, if they got out tomorrow, I wouldn't be upset about it. I feel like they're not a threat, but the law is the law. So the DA is saying that, but in March, a board will decide if they should be resentenced. And if they get resentenced. AKA released.

If they get resent, resentenced, where they change what it is, then the time would have been done. And, but Gavin Newsom has to say, make the final yes or no if they get out. So there's still a chance they could get out in March, but there will not be a new trial. They don't want to get sued.

Most likely not in trial. They're gonna be like, we'll let you out. We won't retry you. I hope so. But they're gonna have to sign something where they don't get sued. Like where they don't sue. Because there's a new trial. Can they also sign something where they don't get sued. Like where they don't sue. Because there's a new trial.

Can they also sign something where they don't get a podcast deal? That's a good idea. Because that's gonna happen. Watch Over Kill. That's true. I'm telling you, I've been saying the Menendez brothers will absolutely have a podcast.

It's a no brainer. It will be a bidding war of them telling all their stories, interviewing other people that get out of prison, all of it. I feel like in my heart, it's like Drake and Brandon getting out because of how many times you have said, I hope you guys stay close and-

I just want them to stay close. I actually want them to do a podcast together just so they get to see each other every day. I'm like, oh my God, Drake and Brandon, they're finally getting out. Yeah, they're probably getting out. They both got married, right, while they're in there? I hope they get out, I hope they get out. And you know're probably getting out. They both got married, right? While they're in there. I hope they get out.

I hope they get out. And you know what, whether it was for money or whatever, the mother knew, like they spent enough time there. When you, when it's, when the, when the abuse is detailed, like the systematic shit that they went through, I'm really, I'm sorry. The mom was a monster. I mean, I believe they were abused for sure. But I understand the legal stuff.

I get it. But the type of, the DA, come on, man, like in the type of abuse that they suffered and that that Menudo kid suffered and what that dad did, the mom knew, people knew, like they've spent the time, let them out. They did it. So let's go. When I when both the boys watch the, you know, Ryan Murphy, and, you know, when I when both the boys watch the you know, Ryan Murphy and You know when I watched it I was like, you know, of course thinking about Drake and Brandon not being molested but if they were in this thing and I was like Drake when you watched it

Did you feel for Lyle when dumb dumb Eric went and spilled the beans because if it wasn't for Eric telling the therapist Right, they really didn't have any they did not have they weren't really on the trail They still thought maybe some mafioso people came in and we're gonna kill them so it wasn't until the therapist got told and then felt like his like, you know, whatever his reasons were. But Eric's like, you know, Lyle was just like, but that was the other thing that the DA said that when they did share it with the therapist at that point, he didn't say then to the therapist,

it's because we were being molested. He just said we did it. And so they were all, and that was all being taped and stuff. So it was all those kinds of things that got them convicted. But 35 years later, yeah, we'll see. I bet Newsome lets them out. So we are going to have so much fun in our cute outfits in Palm Springs at Agua Caliente this Saturday, March 1st.

And then in between then and after, I hope you guys are following Brandi and Julie and tell them everything that you've got going and where they can listen to all your fun because you guys are doing so much. Well, we've got a couple of shows. We have a couple of podcasts. One is the Dumb Gay Podcast,

which right now is where we're leaning into the politics right now. So if you're a person who's not really into politics, we do lean liberal, but you wanna know what's going on and you're sort of like in and out of it. Our show is a good place for it. We do try and like make it funny, make it fun. You know what I mean?

Do that. Whatever. And- It's called infotainment. It's infotainment, yeah. It is infotainment. We are definitely, you know, giving our takes but also trying to be informative but also trying to be informative, but also trying to be funny

We're not we're not NPR. Okay. We're not NPR And then we have our patreon which we do three shows a week. We have video we have audio and you can join Yeah, it's we do three one-hour. We do three one-hour shows. Yeah a week It's no politics at all. We stay away from it completely. So we do. And how do they sign up for that, girls? They go to patreon.com slash dumb gay. We just go to julianbrandy.com.

Just Google Julie Brandy. Juliebrandy.com, yeah. Of course, mine is at heatherandtallin.net and this weekend's gonna rock. It's gonna be gorgeous weather. We're gonna have so much fun. So much fun. We're gonna make everybody jealous

that didn't get their tickets on time. And I warned you. Yeah, I mean we're desert sluts. And this is the first time that we're gonna be, we've been desert sluts together many, many times. On stage. I'm excited. Yeah, very excited.

And in a casino? It's gonna be so fun. Can't wait. Thank you.